DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 3

[dvdshrink]

DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 3 is now available.

http://www.dvdshrink.org/

The changes are:

Version 3.0 Beta 3 - 10 Aug 2003

Fixed "big-endian" bug in re-author mode which prevented re-author of multiple titles from correctly playing back in sequence. They do now :-)

Apologies to all those who just downloaded Beta 2.

[69Mws]

There's a saying in Germany like "all good things are three" or something like that, don't know how to translate it better :D

Greetz
69Mws

[dvdshrink]

Usually we say "third time lucky"...
All dvd shrink releases have been in groups of three. Strange.

[Viper32]

Well I would love to try it but I cannot get to the download link to save my life. Help?

Viper

[insertdisk]

http://www.dvdshrink.org/misc/dvdshrink30beta3.zip

[nyplayer]

If I open a DVD and want to reauthor it and select just the main Movie why does DVD Shrink open a new window??

[komanch]

Dvdshrink how can I translate another language version and send you for upgrade?

[luphy]

Nyplayer,

When choosing re-author, Shrink will open a new window so you can drag and drop the title that you want to use. Or you can copy and paste the title from the main one to the new window.
I have not tried it yet but this is so that people can drag and drop titlesets from different DVD's I think.

[daehkcid]

I have a question, will the quality of transcoding in the final version have any improvement over the betas? if yes, i'll wait to rip my movies, if no, then i'll do them now :P

[brush]

Good question mate :D

[dvdshrink]

Do them now, and send me the bug reports :)

No immediate plans for transcode engine improvements, nor any bright ideas, but that's not to say there won't be any - its more of a trial-and-error slow evolution, rather than "it's going to be X much better in two weeks" thing.

[daehkcid]

I've found this problem with the 2.3 version.

I opened MATRIX from the DVD drive.
I ripped it to my HD with the movie only (no menues).
I reopen MATRIX from my HD drive.

DVDShrink says: "Error opening/missing files" and it opens the menus/extras folder. Does that mean that DVDShrink use the logs from the DVD to open the one from the HD that actually have no menus and extras and then reports there's error?

Sorry for the worst english ever on this board.

[brush]

Originally posted by daehkcid
I have a question, will the quality of transcoding in the final version have any improvement over the betas? if yes, i'll wait to rip my movies, if no, then i'll do them now :P

Don't wait any more, DVD shrink is such a good transcoder for the majority of movies, so use the new versions

[brush]

Originally posted by daehkcid
DVDShrink says: "Error opening/missing files" and it opens the menus/extras folder. Does that mean that DVDShrink use the logs from the DVD to open the one from the HD that actually have no menus and extras and then reports there's error?


Don't try to rip directly with shrink , USE DVD DECRYPTER instead in FILES mode ( CTRL +A ) :rolleyes:

I think it is no worth talking about other Shrink versions , but only the new version ( 3.0 )from now on :)

The 2.3 shrink version is past, even if it is a good version

[mikegun]

Originally posted by brush

I think it is no worth talking about other Shrink versions



esp. in this thread ;-)

[daehkcid]

Brush, I did not rip with DVDShrink, I just open the .IFO with DVDShrink. I indeed ripped MATRIX with Decrypter but movie only. But when opening Shrink, it tries to open the extras and menus folders (which are nonexistant).

Dont know if this is stil in 3.0 B, but i'll check it out.

[snidely]

I indeed ripped MATRIX with Decrypter but movie only.

Never rip in "movie only" mode. When you rip, choose either ISO or "full disc" files mode, just so that you don't run into the kinds of problems like you already have. If all the files are present, DVDShrink (as well as most other programs) will be very happy that you did, and then you can manipulate your rip any way you see fit.

[octron2003]

question about the layerbreak, as dvdschrink doesn't remove it, i wanna ask if the following is possible, re encode with dvdschrink and then use dvd2dvd-r to re-author it (without re-encoding) to remove the layerbreak (ifoedit) or is this just asking for problems, i tried it with silence of lambs, first time if run perfect on a standalone, now player refuses to play it.

greetings
jan

[The Belgain]

Great job on getting another beta out so fast dvdshrink! Just a slight feature request: when opening a DVD directly from a DVD drive, and recoding it with deep analysis, the DVD gets read twice. Also on a fast machine, CPU utilisation is not 100% since the DVD drive can't send the movie information fast enough.

To both speed up the process (by a little bit) and to lengthen the DVD drive's life, would it be possible that on the first pass (the "deep analysis" pass that is) the program both does the analysis and copies the DVD files from the DVD drive to the hard disc at the same time?

This would mean that the first pass would take the same amount of time as before (and be read directly from the DVD), and the second pass would be quicker since the information would be read from the hard disc only (and this would also put less strain on the DVD drive).

Would this be easy/possible to implement? Maybe it could be put as an option, so that people who do not have enough disc space to do this can use the program as before?

Just a suggestion...

[dmfreck]

I'll just add my 2 cents to this thread since the old beta 2 thread is now dead: my experience with the video quality of 3.0 beta X has been a fantastic one so far. I went back to a scene in Braveheart that gave both shrink 2.3 and recode problems with macro-blocking (recode being slightly better in quality) DVDshrink 3.0 handles it like a champ - much better than either of the aforementioned. I consider myself very picky about the quality of my backups, and although I know there's no "magic bullet" in the one-click realm for every film and every situation, I really like what I'm seing here. Great product!

-M

P.S. I did, indeed, use the deep analysis on Braveheart. I guess for the extra 10-15 minutes of time it's an absolute must-have. Can't see shrinking a movie without it now.

*edit* Sorry for cross-posting this info. I guess I figured there will be questions about the quality of the new version(s), so if beta 3 is around for a while I wanted to chime in on the appropriate thread.

[strikz99]

Fairly new to using DVDshrink, but from what I've seen so far - great job!

There may be a valid reason for why DVDShink doesn't allow it, but I'd find it useful if I could force DVDShink to recompress Titles below the "Automatic Ratio". This way I could give certain titles far more bandwith than other non-essential ones, without loosing those altogether. Maybe be able to edit the Size field, and have DVDshrink apply the costs of the evenly over the other Titles? Obviously I'd probably end up with a really crap quality video, but at least that would be my choice over not having any backup at all.

That said, there may be a way of doing this already. I've tried the Re-Authoring option but in the case of American Pie 2, I just can't get the main movie down to below 43% (1.5Gb). Now that would normally fit very well onto DVD, but as I only have a CDRW drive it doesn't help me much. I guess that until this comes along, I'll have to keep on using DVD2SVCD - which takes MUCH longer!

I'd also agree with the previous post about copying the DVD to a temporary area as it does the Deep Analysis to speed up the transcoding later, though this should be an option, not a forced idea - maybe have a "Analyse and pre-copy" option?. I don't think that added time of decrypting the vob files would be too great.

Thanks,

[thop]

MR. dvdshrink THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I loved DVDShrink the first time i used it and it makes me happy to see that it is evolving into the best one-click-solution out there!

I understand that you don't want to compromise your anonimity by setting up a paypal account, but maybe you could let us donate to another organisation/website in your name? Like helping to pay doom9's bandwidth bill or sth. like that. Please think about it :)

[luphy]

I'd like to point out how damn lucky users of DVDShrink are.
Look at all the opportunities we have into putting input into
this program, and the author is very responsive and QUICK in making
changes. Though I should warn folks to not get spoiled and expect
such awesome, FREE, customer service from the author. :D
I don't see too many posts for suggestions on the other programs
because, well...their authors don't visit these sites like DVDShrink
does!

Cheers to DVDShrink - and for those who know him personally, go buy
the man a beer!

[c22shooter]

fantastic new version. Just produced a test dvd. Ripped 24, did normal analysis, opened a new frame and dragged title 1 through 4( episode 1 -4) into the new dvd folder. i then selcted each title in order and set start and end points to remove material i did not want and pressed back up, result a dvd that plays each episode in order straight through but with the original chapter points in place. picture quality is superb, no disc space wasted.
i intend tommorow to try a number of home produced dvd's of my kids, mixed in with my holidays etc. the ex wife wants a complilation dvd of just the kids, material to be drawn from three dvd's. if the above works i will save me a lot of time.

[lazyn00b]

Quality is better than ever - but somehow it seems like the interface is getting more complicated than necessary. If all a n00b wants to do is backup the main movie, he presses Re-Author and... a new instance of DVD Shrink opens up? I can imagine a lot of people would be confused at this point and not know what to do next (drag the main movie from the first instance to the second). Or am I missing something? If this is the only way to backup main movie, then I would suggest streamlining this process somehow. Or maybe the area in the DVD Shrink window could be a little larger so you could fit two panes of DVD structures (i.e. one for "original" and one for "new"), and then have a little explanatory label in the "new" pane like "drag the parts you want to keep here" or something.

[luphy]

You're right it was a bit confusing at first when I clicked the Re-Author button and got a new window of Shrink.
The ver2.3 that we're all used to had 4 windows (Preview window, compression level window, main window, and then the window with all the different titles). Whereas ver3 has 3 windows (minus window with different titles).

Now the ability to have another window open so that people can drag/drop titles from different DVDs is a good one to create compilations.

So here's an idea: When you press the Re-Author button, have that new instance of Shrink open up as it is now. But in the left column window where you would normally drag the titles you want - split that up into two windows. At the bottom left window, transfer all the titles that are available for Re-Authoring to that lower left window (like it was with ver2.3 in the right lower window). Then the user can drag and drop the titles from the left lower window to the left upper window.

Then if the user opens up another instance of Shrink manually to analyse another DVD (to create compilations of titlesets from multiple DVDs) and they want to copy a titleset from that one to the Re-Author one that is already open, they press the Re-Author button in that program, and it automatically copies the titlesets available to drag/drop onto the left lower window of the Shrink instance that was already opened by the first Shrink (combining it with all the available titlesets from the first DVD, or replacing it all together with the available titlesets from the second DVD - either way would work). Okay I know that probably sounds confusing, but I'm thinking most people will get the idea.

[BlueCup]

Window maximizes, perfect.

That was my only gripe, nice idea of the % too. I haven't tested this version much yet, but as is...still great. Uber alles DVDShrink!

[daehkcid]

Hello,

I pressed the 'ANALYSIS' button, is that the same as the File->Deep Analysis??

Also, I only clicked that onces, how come everybody is tallking about double deep analysing?

[willb2d]

There's a saying in Germany like "all good things are three" or something like that, don't know how to translate it better

My mom's from Germany. There's an expression, "Good things come in threes." Meaning three good things will happen:
1.GOOD 2.GOOD 3.GOOD

And there is an expression "Third time's the charm" but that has a slightly different meaning - it means that after two failed attempts, the third attempt will finally work:
1.BAD 2.BAD 3.GOOD

This concludes our "Amazing world of interesting expressions!" segment of our presentation.

[ephesus79]

If possible, I'd like to see the compression ratio (or approx. ratio) being shown while the DVD is being processed like in older versions. There have been times previously where I accidentally set something to stills that wasn't suppossed to be and I caught my mistake while it was being processed. Once again, thanks DVD Shrink for a great product. Your hard work is appreciated.

[dvdshrink]

I will rethink the re-author interface for official release. You are all right, for the typical main-movie only backup, the second window is too clumsy.

GUI is actually a lot harder to make than transcode engine!

[EnigmaRo]

I want to ask you if you can add an option for just one picture or to add one picture with someting "no extra" :-) I don't think that still pictures are good for many people who wants to save space for the main movie but they want to keep the menus

[69Mws]

Originally posted by willb2d
My mom's from Germany. There's an expression, "Good things come in threes." Meaning three good things will happen:
1.GOOD 2.GOOD 3.GOOD

Yeah, that's what I meant, I just didn't know how to translate it properly :)

Greetz
69Mws

[b0b0b0b]

dvdshrink -- thanks for continuing to improve this great tool!

[m3taPT]

Originally posted by willb2d
My mom's from Germany. There's an expression, "Good things come in threes." Meaning three good things will happen:
1.GOOD 2.GOOD 3.GOOD

And there is an expression "Third time's the charm" but that has a slightly different meaning - it means that after two failed attempts, the third attempt will finally work:
1.BAD 2.BAD 3.GOOD

This concludes our "Amazing world of interesting expressions!" segment of our presentation.


Sorry, but you can't conclude without including everything ;)

In Portugal, there's a saying in the "area" of the above mentioned, that after translation is roughly something like

"There's no 'two' without a 'three'"

Which basically means (following your so my-kids-loved-it way of putting it.. eheh):

1.good 2.good *saying goes here* 3.good

but also can mean

1.bad 2.bad. *saying goes here* 3.bad

Of course, DVDShrink is the first example.

:)

[mrbass]

Originally posted by dvdshrink
I will rethink the re-author interface for official release. You are all right, for the typical main-movie only backup, the second window is too clumsy.

GUI is actually a lot harder to make than transcode engine!

I sent you a really long email message just now suggesting how to revamp it. Hopefully others will come up with some bright ideas too.

[dvdshrink]

Where are you sending emails to, mrbass? I have heard nothing from you in months...

dvdshrink@yahoo.co.jp

[Fenix]

Originally posted by EnigmaRo
I want to ask you if you can add an option for just one picture or to add one picture with someting "no extra" :-) I don't think that still pictures are good for many people who wants to save space for the main movie but they want to keep the menus

Hi everybody :)

I agree with EnigmaRo.

Sometimes still pictures take to much, and it would be perfect to have a extra option like "no extra" for example with a default picture created by you "DVDSHRINK", and if you had the time a option on preferences ( to select our custom picture ) ;).
What do you think? Is it possible to add such feature?

Regarding DVD Shrink 3.0 in general , the program is perfect !!! ;)
Continue the good work!

Best Regards,

Fenix.

[mrbass]

"dvdshrink" <dvd shrink <dvdshrink@yahoo.co.jp>>,
crap...don't tell me you didn't get that email...I'll try to rewrite it....teaches me to save outgoing email next time.
I'll take out the >>

edit:
shouldn't 'Select All' be entitled 'Expand All'?

[jamieo]

I definitely prefered the UI the way it was in 2.3 (for both full and reauthor mode) - especially now there are no longer compression ratios taking up so much room.

As I posted in the very short beta2 thread, the preview window just takes up too much room on the right - the way I use dvdshrink there is a big empty space on the left hand side while I have to scroll the right hand side each time to deselect audio tracks.

I also agree that having a new window pop up is very messy and confusing - although being able to drag and drop from another window is great, it should not be the main way to reauthor.

Keep up the great work dvdshrink! I know how hard it can be to please all the people all the time!! ;)

Jamie

[SirCentipede]

Thank you Mr DVDshrink for your updates on DVDshrink 3.0beta... an update a day keeps the doctor at bay...:D :D

Anyway, I'm totally impressed by the new version of DVDshrink,especially with the new transcoding picture quality of DVDshrink 3.0 betaX.

Last night i did a full backup of Takashi Miikes "Graveyard of Honor" (125 min., PAL + lots of extras). The original movie is very grainy and has quite a bad picture quality, which is a difficult one for every transcoder.

I did it before with different transcoders, which produced lots of blocks not only in action scenes but in slow scenes, too. Only IC7 managed to give a good transcoding picture quality on this one.

And now DVDshrink 3.0 betaX:

I compressed the main movie at 65%, which has been a difficult copmression ratio on DVDsrhink 2.3 (macroblocks). But with DVDshrink 3.0 I virtually couldn't discover any neither in slow scenes nor in action scenes. Together with IC7 this is the only transcoder which gave such a good quality on this movie.

But as I said in the DVDshrink 3.0 beta1 thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59171&perpage=20&pagenumber=2) i noticed a slight desaturation of the movie compared to the original or even IC7, too.

Did anybody notice, that DVDshrink produces slightly desaturated pictures, too ? And can this be solved in the final version of DVDshrink 3.0 ?

[DVDRFreak]

Just did run some test with beta 3.

First I transcoded gangs of new york (movie only).

The quality is amazing. It has less artifacts then the Nero Recode version.

The only problem is that the sateration of the picture has changed. GON is a very colour full movie but the DVDshrink version is a little flat. I hope this will be fixed in the final version



Second test NARC (espacially the high motion scene at the beginning).
A lott less macro blocks in this scene then the Nero Recode version. Still not acceptable though.



Thirth test I did was the reauthor function with two titles from the same DVD I wanted to keep.

The final result plays fine. The only thing that is missing is that the second title should be the final chapter so I can just skip back and forward with the back and forward key on my remote easy on my standalone.

Also I noticed that DVDshrink deletes the second angle. Title 1 was multi-angled but after reauthoring the second angle was missing. If I run it through as a full disc the angle is kept.

[brush]

Hi mates

I don't know if it is wrong or right but :

I have read that choosing " no compression " , shrink does it anyway
even if we choose that option

can Mr shrink help me on that point or other persons

Thanks

[roach76]

Great Stuff dvdshrink, you seem to be implementing all the features I have ever wished for (except for one where your program tells me girls secretly find me desirable).

I applaud the video quality improvement through your deeper analysis method cause I hate having to wait for half a day for encodes on an MPEG2 encoder that gives me only slightly better quality. So maybe this version or in the future 'DVD Shrink' will surpass them and leave them behind.

With the inbuilt ripping with 'DVD Shrink' how have you got it working? Does it rip the whole disc (or title) first and then encode, or does it rip and encode in small packets? I'm only asking cause I heard that encoding directly off the DVD Drive is not good for the drive...
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdbackup.htm (or is it just hogwash?)

I always like to help and motivate those who help me in one way or another, is there someway I can make a donation to you for your efforts?

[zeronegative]

Originally posted by roach76
Great Stuff dvdshrink, you seem to be implementing all the features I have ever wished for (except for one where your program tells me girls secretly find me desirable).

Believe me, that option is quite overrated. I've had girls secretly saying the find me attractive, but when I ask them to do my DVD transcodes, they just stare at me blankly. :D

[bb]

dvdshrink,

first of all a big thanks for your fabulous program.

Now my question:
Would it need much effort to make the program capable of shrinking MPEG-2 elementary or program streams (.mpg or .m2v)? This would be great for quickly reducing the size of MPEG-2 files that have turned out just a little too big during encoding.

bb

[SurfDrifter]

Originally posted by bb

Now my question:
Would it need much effort to make the program capable of shrinking MPEG-2 elementary or program streams (.mpg or .m2v)? This would be great for quickly reducing the size of MPEG-2 files that have turned out just a little too big during encoding.

bb

This is one of my 3 wishes mentioned on my thread "If i had 3 wishes about automation..."!

Hope that this thing become true...

[k2]

MPEG-2 elementary or program streams (.mpg or .m2v)?

Since DVDshink I have not had any need for elementary streams.
DVDshrink is intended to backup a DVD, it does a great job of it.

What you ask for is authoring. Sounds like a new program to me. But DVDshrink may have alot of free time and write it. We know he/she is good at what has done so far.

[jfcarbel]

With an option for deep analysis which slows down the encode, now would be a good time to add a batch encode feature where we could set DVD Shrink to encode mutiple discs that are on the drive.

[SirCentipede]

Yeah, what a great idea, jfcarbel !!!!

I would also like to see a batch processor for transcoding HD-backuped movies overnight.

It would be great, if you could set the transcoding ratios, removal of languages & subtitles after the rough analysis of a DVD and then save your values for each movie in an extra file, which the batch processor can process afterwords (then doing deep analysis).

That would be a great time-saving factor for backing up my DVD-Collection. :) :) :)

Do you get it ? ...don't know if my english skills are good enough to explain what i mean...!?!?

[atreides93]

I am extremely impressed with DVDShrink. Its up there with DVDDEcryptor and ImageTools for usefulness. It blows away dvd2one and all those other DVD backup programs.

[daehkcid]

So are the 'analysis' button and the File->deep analysis the same thing?

[luphy]

Yes Daehkcid. If you hover the pointer over the Analysis button,
a small box will pop up indicating 'Deep Analysis'.

Here's a question for those wanting the ability to put an image
to replace a deleted menu item. If you re-author and keep the menus,
main movie and certain extras - and then try to access the removed
extras, what happens on your standalone? Does it freeze or do you get the null symbol? Simple question I know but I've never kept menus on my backups.

I actually HATE having menus so I've never really backed up a whole disc or a disc with menus and some extras. Even if the whole movie with menu can fit on one DVD without compression I'd still re-author and remove the menus. If a DVD's main movie is less than 4.7gb, and there's an extra that I like then I'd shrink that extra to the disc as a second title.

I suppose if DVDShrink were to ever implement the ability to replace a title with an image - then all those folks who have children and want to censor/delete certain scenes could maybe have an image that says 'Censored' which they can place within their movies in place of the objectionable scenes - using Re-author and Start/Stop cropping.

[sdionne]

I'm not sure if this feature is done in DVDShrink, but I should have a multipass option like IC7.

I'm pretty sure that the quality will increase, and the time to rip the dvd too.. but if the user want quality over speed.. go.

DVDShrink 2.3 give a good quality video.. but often lot of macroblock in the anime movie. CCE is the best for that... but I'm not able to recreate the menu because there is layer break in the DVD... for now I was stuck with DVDXcopy because IC7 crash since the last update on my PC

I'll give a try to the 3.0 version, but will it be hard to add the multi-pass feature ?

[Indo]

I'll give a try to the 3.0 version, but will it be hard to add the multi-pass feature ?

I guess you could see the deep analysis as a sort of multi-pass but are you really asking for multipass to improve quality of a version (3 beta) you never used.
WHY ?

[sdionne]

I'll give it a try tonight, but can you imagine the quality will be the best for ever ? There always place to optimization. Did you try IC7 1 pass,2 pass compare to 5 pass... I did, and I wasn't able to go to 2 pass after that... OK, I'm maybe a freak, but seen macroblock too often in a movie ruin it for me :(

and is not because the option is there you have to use it.

I just suppose that the quality should be better in theory without testing it first.

[daehkcid]

luphy : then where is the 'quick' analysis everyone is talking about?

[Ookami]

Thank you very much for your continous work on this brilliant piece of free (really free!) software.

All the best and cheers to all of you,

Mijo.

[maa]

Well this is what Beta is for I guess :

I have a film which makes it to around 60% and then freezes the computer. Tried it three times now.
Thats with 3.03 Beta.

Same film with 2.6 goes fine.
Let me know if you need more IFO :)

Suggestion :

I'd like to see "Shutdown computer when finished" option on the
encoding dialog.

thanks

maa

[luphy]

Daehkid,

The quick analysis is done automatically everytime you open up
a movie either from a disc or from a folder.
The deep analysis is optional and can be done either from the
File menu, from the Analysis button, or you can click on the option
for Deep Analysis when you do Backup.

[hmmmmmmmm]

Hey DVDShrink,
Once again... awesome. I just did a few movies and I love the new features. My favorite is the ability to choose your own ratio for compression. Not only that, but if you leave something as automatic and then go mess around with another title's ratio, the one set to automatic adjusts for the freed up space... hence automatic. EXCELLENT!!!
If you're looking for suggestions, the ONLY one I would have is when when you get rid of an audio stream or subtitle, is there a way to get rid of it as if it was never there instead of just having a blank audio stream (i.e. you can still select that stream, but nothing is there).
For real though, outstanding job again and ... well, the praise you deserve can't be easily summed up in a few words. YOU DA MAN!! :D

Thanks again. I know I'm going to be enjoying this piece of software while my Pinnacle IC begins collecting dust.

[DMagic1]

Very nicely done. Shrink is not my preferred one click app but its getting there. I really like the slider bar for compression now.

The thing that I think it needs is to select your own single image instead of multiple stills. Much the same as Recode does. Loads of space is save by selecting a single image with a low number of colors.

[VerbaL]

Hi,

After the changelog on these new 3.0 betas, I decided to give DVD Shrink another try. The backup process went fluently:

- I read a DVD to .ISO using DVDDecrypter
- Mounted the ISO in Daemon Tools
- Started DVD Shrink and clicked Open Disk
- Did a deep analysis
- Backed up the disc
- Created a .iso image using Imgtools Classic
- Burnt the iso using dvd decrypter

The disc plays fine on the pc using WinDVD. It also plays fine on my Pioneer standalone player, but not on my main standalone player: a Philips 963SA. The disc loads and when it has to show the menu or warning screens, nothing happens. I tried different media and also a different movie, but both show the same problems. If I hammer the Disc Menu button a couple of times or press play or next it sometimes shows up. If I then choose play movie or something, it might stop again.

I've done many backups using Dif4u, Reauthorist and Scenarist and all those backups work fine. The problem seems to be linked to the DVD Shrink files. Any ideas what I might try or should I just avoid using Shrink? Would be a shame though since it has really improved.

Thanks,
verb

[luphy]

Try burning the files directly to the disc under a VIDEO_TS folder
instead of creating an image first?

[herrde]

Dear Mr. Shrink,

tried to copy a Star Trek TNG episode DVD last night with Shrink 3.0 beta 3 (using backup mode). I removed all language streams but the German one and played around with the ratio settings, finally coming up with exactly 4460 MB shown by the size bar at the top.
I hit backup, activated the Deep Analysis checkbox, clicked ok and went to bed.

When I got up this morning, I checked the result and discovered that it came out at 4,39 GB. This is obviously a bit disappointing, especially when regarding the version history saying that the "Error Margin" option has been removed because it was not needed anymore... by the way, this is the first version of DVD Shrink where I encountered oversizing...

Can this be corrected in the next release?

Otherwise fantastic work, my friend! Picture quality is very good. usability is fantastic!

Keep up the good work!

All the best,

Gero

[martjo]

:)

I am amazed how well this works compared to my previous attempts with reempeg etc etc...The software is simple and clear, very fast and so far top quality results with no problems.

Thanks team and all respect to your efforts.

[dvman]

Originally posted by herrde
I checked the result and discovered that it came out at 4,39 GB. This is obviously a bit disappointing, especially when regarding the version history saying that the "Error Margin" option has been removed because it was not needed anymore...

It should fit on a normal DVD blank...

You failed in maths, did you!? :confused: You got almost what DVD Shrink told you 4,39 (GB) x 1024 (MB) = 4495,36 MB... I call that close :D :D

1 GB equals 1024 MB.

Mathe 6... setzen :devil:

[DVDRFreak]

Originally posted by dvman
It should fit on a normal DVD blank...

You failed in maths, did you!? :confused: You got almost what DVD Shrink told you 4,39 (GB) x 1024 (MB) = 4495,36 MB... I call that close :D :D

1 GB equals 1024 MB.

Mathe 6... setzen :devil:

T dvman

Nope, that is called oversized by 35 MB. The original poster did want a DVD size of 4460 MB.

edit:
The maximum for DVD+R is 4483MB including overhead for filesystem. For DVD-R it is 4487MB I think (not sure). So 4495MB will never fit on a blank disc.

To Herrde
By the way you can set in the preferences a custom size that DVDshrink will use (so you still can use a safety marigin if you want).

I did not discover this problem yet. I use a custom size of 4480MB and it is always around 4479MB. I alwys leave the compression for the main movie on auto and play with the sliders for the extra's.

[herrde]

Hi,

@DVDRFreak:
Thanks for the hint, will try that tonight. Yesterday, I chose the "DVD-R" preset in the options. But nevertheless - it said exactly 4460 MB on the size bar in the main window, and thus you're right, Shrink oversized by 35 MB.

@dvman:
Thanks for reminding me of failing in maths, my friend! But I passed in religion, that's why I BELIEVED that DVD Shrink would deliver fitting files! :sly: And I still believe in that little proggie as it is excellent!

Thanks anyway,

Gero

[ghaynes]

I have always been curious to why people use DVD Decryptor over just having DVD Shrink rip the DVD?

I used to use DVD Decryptor but ever since DVD Shrink allows me to rip the DVD I figured why bother with another app.

What advantage is there using DVD Decryptor over DVD Shrink?

[SirCentipede]

@ghaynes

I used to use DVDdecrypter to rip my movies, because it removes RCE protection and user restrictions in addition to Copyright Protection, RC and macrovision.

In Version 2.3 DVDshrink only removed the latter (CSS, RC & Macrovision), but now in Version 3.0 betaX it is able to remove RCE and user restrictions, too.

So now there is almost no need to rip with DVDDerypter anymore if you want to process the files in DVDshrink anyway.

But i still like to rip my movies with DVDdecrypter, because I'm using different tools and transcoders depending on the DVD i want to backup.

So i like to have a copy on my HD to decide afterwords which transcoder or tool I'm going to use on a given movie.

As far as i know DVDDecrypter is also able to remove the layer break in a DVD-9, but to how much use this is, is questionable. See this thread: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59276

To sum it all up I think you are allways on the safe side with DVDdecrypter, as you can be sure it's going to rip any given DVD and remove all the protection, restrictions etc.

[0xdeadbeef]

Though DVDShrink was and is a very nice tool, the picture quality is still far below IC7 if using a high compression ratio. I tested it again with Brazil. Two scenes: one P-frame with fast moving elements (explosion), one quite still I-frame (dark scene with neon lights). Despite of deep analysis, both frames look very much like the result of Recode and show severe macro blocking while IC7 doesn't.
Taking into account the much longer processing time using deep analysis, the result is a bit disappointing.

[brush]

Originally posted by 0xdeadbeef
Taking into account the much longer processing time using deep analysis, the result is a bit disappointing. [/B]

Ox, Mr shrink didn't improve the quality in BETA 3, there is no need to compare to 2.3, it looks the same
The purpose was to improve the compression levels and other stuff

For me definitively , Pinnacle products sucks ( e.g studio 8 and IC7 )

[Richk50]

"For me definitively , Pinnacle products sucks ( e.g studio 8 and IC7 )"

I think DVDShrink is a terrific program and use it all the time, but the compression engine of IC7 is clearly the best of the one click solutions.

[0xdeadbeef]

As I understood, the "deep analysis" was meant to distribute the compression ratio (and thus the bitrate) more cleverly. This is indeed a similair approach as implemented in IC7. Therefore - and 'coz some folks praised the new version - I thought a new test was sensible.

[herrde]

Originally posted by 0xdeadbeef
'coz some folks praised the new version - I thought a new test was sensible.
Has anyone compared the resulting quality of Shrink (be it 2.3 or the new beta of 3.0) to the latest version of DVD95COPY (or DVD Copy Suite, same engine) yet?
DVD95COPY was - as far as I know - second only to IC7 qualitywise. As everyone compares Shrink with IC7 only, I thought it could be interesting to compare it to DVD95COPY!

Let us know your opinions!

Greetings,

Gero

[SirCentipede]

Personally I agree that IC7 still produces better quality on high compression ratios, although IMHO DVDshrink 3.0 beta has definatly improved on this compared to older versions and to Nero Recode.

And i still think it's very fast, also when doing deep analysis: I just need roung about 50min. to rip, analyse and transcode. IC7 needs about 1.30 - 2.00 h on my computer just for analysing and transcoding.

The user interface and options (like Re-Author, still-picture mode) you have on DVDshrink are IMHO much more user friendly than IC7.

If you do full DVD-Backups on long movies or episode DVD's, keeping all titles, and you are a picture quality freak, IC7 is still the tool of choice in my eyes.

In all other situations i used and will use DVDshrink 3.0, and I'm pleased to see, that the picture quality has improved on these.

It even has increased in such a way, that i think that some people will use DVDshrink 3.0 on longer and episode DVDs, too, 'cause 90% of the time you won't notice the blocking when watching the backuped DVD on TV and not stills on your computer.

P.S.: I have to admit and I'm not tired to say, that there is still a drawback in the Beta Version on DVDshrink 3.0: Slightly desaturated pictures. Although I'm almost certain that this can be solved in the final version.

[colinhunt]

Originally posted by VerbaL
The disc plays fine on the pc using WinDVD. It also plays fine on my Pioneer standalone player, but not on my main standalone player: a Philips 963SA. The disc loads and when it has to show the menu or warning screens, nothing happens. I tried different media and also a different movie, but both show the same problems.

I'm having this exact same problem with Ali G - Indahouse. PC PowerDVD plays the disc OK, with menus and all, but the Philips 963SA gets stuck in a loop: the display reads INFO for a short moment, then the drive makes a squealing sound, the display reads 1-1 for a moment, the drive squeals, the display reads INFO... and so on.

If I press 'next chapter' button on the remote, the movie begins at chapter two. I can rewind to the beginning of the movie, but pressing MENU puts the player back on the loop.

I think the problem might be something to do with removing P-UOPs (in the Preferences). Guess I'll have to do another encoding, this time leaving the P-UOPs in.

By the way, the disc works OK in the Xbox, too! Could be another bug in the Philips 963SA?

.colin

edit: the disc won't work in Philips 962 either, but works OK in PlayStation 2. Funny.

[brush]

Originally posted by SirCentipede
P.S.: I have to admit and I'm not tired to say, that there is still a drawback in the Beta Version on DVDshrink 3.0: Slightly desaturated pictures. Although I'm almost certain that this can be solved in the final version. [/B]

Do u say that in dvd shrink 2.3, the colors were not desatured ?

What do you call desatureted ?

[SirCentipede]

@brush

With desaturation i mean, that the colours, which DVDshrink produces in the transcoded picture are not so bright and clear as in the original one. My other tool of choice beside DVDshrink, IC7, gives almost exactly the same colours as the original one.

At first i thought this is v3 specific, but as someone asked me the same question in another thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59333), i tried DVDshrink 2.3 on the same source DVD (24, Season 1, Episode 1, RC2, PAL) and it produced the same desaturated pictures as DVDshrink 3.0 did.

I would love to know, if people notice this problem on NTSC-DVDs too, maybe the compression engine of Shrink is not optimized for PAL, but I'm not a techie, so i don't know.

[brush]

I live in france and the standard is PAL her

[VerbaL]

@ colinhunt:

Excuse me for saying this, but it's nice to see someone having the same problem :).

So I tried again without letting Shrink remove PUOPS, Macrovision and [edited out] and then I burnt it using Nero (UDF 1.02) without creating an image but the stuff still doesn't work. Another one click app that let's me down...I'm still sticking to the Big 3 ;)

[jined]

Bug report for DVD Shrink 3.0 beta 3

Movie: The KingDom (by Lars Von Triers) Pal version.


First, ripped with DVD Shrink 3 beta 3 (was in a hurry, so,
couldn't shrink at the moment...)

Then, with calm, in the evening tried to shrink at 50%
from 7gb to 4.3gb from HD to HD...with deep analysis activated.

After 5 minutes of work, this error come out:

-----------
DVD SHRINK 3.0

DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue.
The error is:

Cannot Decrypt VOBS

The reason is: Unknown





Regards,

Jined



p.s. A burning engine on DVD Shrink will be appreciated
lots, also, check the transcode engine on PAL movies,
the colors came out with 5-10% less saturation.

[Richk50]

"And i still think it's very fast, also when doing deep analysis: I just need roung about 50min. to rip, analyse and transcode. IC7 needs about 1.30 - 2.00 h on my computer just for analysing and transcoding."

I used to use CCE, so 2 hours to me to get a very good quality copy is not a big deal.

[mikegun]

I used to open ifo files with ifoedit with mouseclick. now dvdshrink opens when "doubleclicking"
an ifo, this is annoying :(

mike

[ghaynes]

@ mikegun

Just change the IFO file type to associate with IFOEdit. To do so open up Windows Explorer and click Tools ==> Folder Options ==> File Types then scroll down to IFO extension and change the open with to IFOEdit. Now when you click on a IFO file IFOEdit will launch instead of DVDShrink.

[mikegun]

hehe, thats what I did before, how do you think I noticed the difference ;-)

[SirCentipede]

I used to use CCE, so 2 hours to me to get a very good quality copy is not a big deal.

To me neither: I used CCE, too, but abandoned it quite fast, because of its time-consuming nature.

But if you can for example get nearly the same result on a rather short movie, which doesn't need to be compressed that much, i will allways take the programm which is faster, which is DVDshrink.

I know that probably there will allways be picture quality differences between IC7 and DVDshrink (because of their different approach to transcoding a movie), but to me the threshhold to choose the one or the other programm is if i can see a difference on my (not soooooo small) telly.

And personally i think that the threshhold has risen in favour of DVDshrink 3.0, without substituting IC7 and its value on long or episode DVDs at all.

After all I'm a fan of both programms: My heart belongs to DVDshrink while my mind belongs to the transcoding engine of IC7.

[colinhunt]

Originally posted by VerbaL
@ colinhunt:

Excuse me for saying this, but it's nice to see someone having the same problem :).

Verbal, I re-encoded the movie but left the P-UOPs in (i.e. I took out the tick from the "Remove P-UOPs" box). I didn't touch any other setting.

The movie was ripped directly from a DVD and the resulting VOBs etc. were burned (with RecordMAX, UDF only, no Joliet) at 2.4x on a Verbatim DVD+RW. And guess what? The disc works perfectly on a Philips 963SA now.

[daehkcid]

Post some picture comparaison of the desaturation please.

Tahnks you :)

I'm NTSC.

Okai, I'll post them, here they are:

http://www.angelfire.com/moon/daehkcid/PDVD_019.BMP
http://www.angelfire.com/moon/daehkcid/PDVD_021.BMP

Guess which one is the original :) One's original, one's with 87% compresssion.

Either i'm blind, or i can't see. I see exactly the same saturation. I'm glad i don't have awk sharp eyes. Maybe your eyes are too sharp.

[Xitrum]

I tried to use DVDShrink v3.0 beta 3 last night with the CHARLIE'S ANGEL movie, on my computer with an AMD CPU, and after adjusted all compression ratios and let DVDShrink do it works. The resulted DVD was at 5.7Gig:confused: . I thought I did something wrong, so I tried it again, twice, and the results still the same:devil: . I already done a few movies with this version previously and I always get them under 4.37G.

Tried the same disk on my other computer with an Intel CPU and the result was perfect.

Also, I found that the shutdown when completed option did not shutdown the machine completely. It shutdown windows upto the stage where windows displays a message "It now safe to turn off your computer", but did not shutdown the power.

I think there are also some bugs with the RCE protection removal algorithm, as so far, it said that it found RCE protection on 2 of my PAL movies, but when I used IFOEdit to check out the RCE protection, IFOEdit said there are none.

[k2]

I am using LOTR for my testing and yes color is less vivid with shrink 3.0 beta.

[Toona]

ok here's what I found.I was backing up the Godfather Part II disk 1 last night and I did the deep analysis and the resulting files size was 4464MB exactly on target and I used full disk backup with automatic sizing. Then when I went to burn the files onto a dvd-r with recordnow max I got disk information too big media has insufficient space but it even measured down on the blue bar that it was within limits(behind the red line). So I re-transcoded and did the manual slider and the resulting file size was 3.9GB well under the limit and still recieved the same "too big" error with recordnow. So I went back and transcoded with DVDShrink 2.3 and picked the best ratio I could to make it fit on the disk (which was level 8) and the resulting file size is 4.28GB and burns perfectly. anybody else have any ideas about this?????

[b0b0b0b]

While the app is transcoding (or has any kind of modeless dialog up) I cannot minimize the original window. Can you make it so the original dvdshrink window can be minimized?

Thanks

[ovenheat]

When reauthoring, is there a way to retain the menus? Also if I were to reauthor and drag only certain title sets and no menus what would be the result? Would they just play in the order that I put them in? Basically would the extra features roll one after another following the credits of the main movie?

[VerbaL]

Thanks for the info colinhunt. I'll give it one more try then, did you rip the files using DVD Shrink or DVD Decrypter?

[SirCentipede]

@daehkcid

thank you for your NTSC stills.
I don't see any saturation difference in your stills either, so maybe desaturation only occurs on PAL movies...:confused: :confused: :confused:

I posted some stills of mine on another thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59391

[ghaynes]

@daehkcid

Seems like you getting alot of traffic on this stills. I have yet to be able to view them. Showing as unavailable for the next 4 hours. It was only 1 hour last night but I gave up trying.

[colinhunt]

@ verbal:

I used DVD Shrink for the ripping as well.

@ Mr. DVD Shrink:

please, please, PLEASE move the "shutdown after encoding finished" tick box to the encoding process window!

I ticked the box because I thought the encoding would be done before I got home, but I came back early. I had no way of stopping the shutdown without cancelling the encoding and starting again!

[Anijake]

Originally posted by colinhunt
@ verbal:

I used DVD Shrink for the ripping as well.

@ Mr. DVD Shrink:

please, please, PLEASE move the "shutdown after encoding finished" tick box to the encoding process window!

I ticked the box because I thought the encoding would be done before I got home, but I came back early. I had no way of stopping the shutdown without cancelling the encoding and starting again!

I don't see why people would use this option. Why not just set the computer to go to sleep in power management? When I come home my computer is in S3 sleep mode and all I have to do is hit the space bar to wake it up. If I am home when the encoding is done nothing happens. I assume that most people are using XP by now and the sleep mode works just great.

[colinhunt]

Originally posted by Anijake
I don't see why people would use this option. Why not just set the computer to go to sleep in power management? When I come home my computer is in S3 sleep mode and all I have to do is hit the space bar to wake it up. If I am home when the encoding is done nothing happens. I assume that most people are using XP by now and the sleep mode works just great.

Well, some of us don't use power management options at all for certain reasons.

[luphy]

If he moved that Shutdown button to the encoding window, then those
people who would find that option most useful won't be able to use it!

I am referring to those who want to have Shrink do Deep Analysis and Transcode in one shot. Since that can take up to an hour, having the option to choose shutdown BEFORE you do that is necessary. You don't want to have to come back to the computer AFTER it does the Deep Analysis to enable the option to shut down. Defeats the purpose.

Now, how often are you going to choose to shutdown after Shrink is down - and then come back before it's done? Most people do this at night before they go to sleep.

Anyways if Shrink is up to it, he COULD have an option box in both places. One where it is now - before you do Deep Analysis/Transcode.
And another located in the transcoding window with option to uncheck the shutdown option. But if not, I say leave it the way it is now.
If you're planning to be away from the computer - and there's a high chance that you'll be back before it's done - then just leave that option uncheck. You can always activate your system's Stand-By or Hibernate feature in those cases.

[colinhunt]

Originally posted by luphy

Anyways if Shrink is up to it, he COULD have an option box in both places. One where it is now - before you do Deep Analysis/Transcode. And another located in the transcoding window with option to uncheck the shutdown option. But if not, I say leave it the way it is now.

Good points; I agree. Except about Stand-By/Hibernate, though: one totally fucked-up boot HD is enough, thank you very much.

[mikegun]

hi,

give beta4 a try:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59488

mikegun