DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 3

[dvdshrink]

DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 3 is now available.

http://www.dvdshrink.org/

The changes are:

Version 3.0 Beta 3 - 10 Aug 2003

Fixed "big-endian" bug in re-author mode which prevented re-author of multiple titles from correctly playing back in sequence. They do now :-)

Apologies to all those who just downloaded Beta 2.

[69Mws]

There's a saying in Germany like "all good things are three" or something like that, don't know how to translate it better :D

Greetz
69Mws

[dvdshrink]

Usually we say "third time lucky"...
All dvd shrink releases have been in groups of three. Strange.

[Viper32]

Well I would love to try it but I cannot get to the download link to save my life. Help?

Viper

[insertdisk]

http://www.dvdshrink.org/misc/dvdshrink30beta3.zip

[nyplayer]

If I open a DVD and want to reauthor it and select just the main Movie why does DVD Shrink open a new window??

[komanch]

Dvdshrink how can I translate another language version and send you for upgrade?

[luphy]

Nyplayer,

When choosing re-author, Shrink will open a new window so you can drag and drop the title that you want to use. Or you can copy and paste the title from the main one to the new window.
I have not tried it yet but this is so that people can drag and drop titlesets from different DVD's I think.

[daehkcid]

I have a question, will the quality of transcoding in the final version have any improvement over the betas? if yes, i'll wait to rip my movies, if no, then i'll do them now :P

[brush]

Good question mate :D

[dvdshrink]

Do them now, and send me the bug reports :)

No immediate plans for transcode engine improvements, nor any bright ideas, but that's not to say there won't be any - its more of a trial-and-error slow evolution, rather than "it's going to be X much better in two weeks" thing.

[daehkcid]

I've found this problem with the 2.3 version.

I opened MATRIX from the DVD drive.
I ripped it to my HD with the movie only (no menues).
I reopen MATRIX from my HD drive.

DVDShrink says: "Error opening/missing files" and it opens the menus/extras folder. Does that mean that DVDShrink use the logs from the DVD to open the one from the HD that actually have no menus and extras and then reports there's error?

Sorry for the worst english ever on this board.

[brush]

Originally posted by daehkcid
I have a question, will the quality of transcoding in the final version have any improvement over the betas? if yes, i'll wait to rip my movies, if no, then i'll do them now :P

Don't wait any more, DVD shrink is such a good transcoder for the majority of movies, so use the new versions

[brush]

Originally posted by daehkcid
DVDShrink says: "Error opening/missing files" and it opens the menus/extras folder. Does that mean that DVDShrink use the logs from the DVD to open the one from the HD that actually have no menus and extras and then reports there's error?


Don't try to rip directly with shrink , USE DVD DECRYPTER instead in FILES mode ( CTRL +A ) :rolleyes:

I think it is no worth talking about other Shrink versions , but only the new version ( 3.0 )from now on :)

The 2.3 shrink version is past, even if it is a good version

[mikegun]

Originally posted by brush

I think it is no worth talking about other Shrink versions



esp. in this thread ;-)

[daehkcid]

Brush, I did not rip with DVDShrink, I just open the .IFO with DVDShrink. I indeed ripped MATRIX with Decrypter but movie only. But when opening Shrink, it tries to open the extras and menus folders (which are nonexistant).

Dont know if this is stil in 3.0 B, but i'll check it out.

[snidely]

I indeed ripped MATRIX with Decrypter but movie only.

Never rip in "movie only" mode. When you rip, choose either ISO or "full disc" files mode, just so that you don't run into the kinds of problems like you already have. If all the files are present, DVDShrink (as well as most other programs) will be very happy that you did, and then you can manipulate your rip any way you see fit.

[octron2003]

question about the layerbreak, as dvdschrink doesn't remove it, i wanna ask if the following is possible, re encode with dvdschrink and then use dvd2dvd-r to re-author it (without re-encoding) to remove the layerbreak (ifoedit) or is this just asking for problems, i tried it with silence of lambs, first time if run perfect on a standalone, now player refuses to play it.

greetings
jan

[The Belgain]

Great job on getting another beta out so fast dvdshrink! Just a slight feature request: when opening a DVD directly from a DVD drive, and recoding it with deep analysis, the DVD gets read twice. Also on a fast machine, CPU utilisation is not 100% since the DVD drive can't send the movie information fast enough.

To both speed up the process (by a little bit) and to lengthen the DVD drive's life, would it be possible that on the first pass (the "deep analysis" pass that is) the program both does the analysis and copies the DVD files from the DVD drive to the hard disc at the same time?

This would mean that the first pass would take the same amount of time as before (and be read directly from the DVD), and the second pass would be quicker since the information would be read from the hard disc only (and this would also put less strain on the DVD drive).

Would this be easy/possible to implement? Maybe it could be put as an option, so that people who do not have enough disc space to do this can use the program as before?

Just a suggestion...

[dmfreck]

I'll just add my 2 cents to this thread since the old beta 2 thread is now dead: my experience with the video quality of 3.0 beta X has been a fantastic one so far. I went back to a scene in Braveheart that gave both shrink 2.3 and recode problems with macro-blocking (recode being slightly better in quality) DVDshrink 3.0 handles it like a champ - much better than either of the aforementioned. I consider myself very picky about the quality of my backups, and although I know there's no "magic bullet" in the one-click realm for every film and every situation, I really like what I'm seing here. Great product!

-M

P.S. I did, indeed, use the deep analysis on Braveheart. I guess for the extra 10-15 minutes of time it's an absolute must-have. Can't see shrinking a movie without it now.

*edit* Sorry for cross-posting this info. I guess I figured there will be questions about the quality of the new version(s), so if beta 3 is around for a while I wanted to chime in on the appropriate thread.

[strikz99]

Fairly new to using DVDshrink, but from what I've seen so far - great job!

There may be a valid reason for why DVDShink doesn't allow it, but I'd find it useful if I could force DVDShink to recompress Titles below the "Automatic Ratio". This way I could give certain titles far more bandwith than other non-essential ones, without loosing those altogether. Maybe be able to edit the Size field, and have DVDshrink apply the costs of the evenly over the other Titles? Obviously I'd probably end up with a really crap quality video, but at least that would be my choice over not having any backup at all.

That said, there may be a way of doing this already. I've tried the Re-Authoring option but in the case of American Pie 2, I just can't get the main movie down to below 43% (1.5Gb). Now that would normally fit very well onto DVD, but as I only have a CDRW drive it doesn't help me much. I guess that until this comes along, I'll have to keep on using DVD2SVCD - which takes MUCH longer!

I'd also agree with the previous post about copying the DVD to a temporary area as it does the Deep Analysis to speed up the transcoding later, though this should be an option, not a forced idea - maybe have a "Analyse and pre-copy" option?. I don't think that added time of decrypting the vob files would be too great.

Thanks,

[thop]

MR. dvdshrink THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I loved DVDShrink the first time i used it and it makes me happy to see that it is evolving into the best one-click-solution out there!

I understand that you don't want to compromise your anonimity by setting up a paypal account, but maybe you could let us donate to another organisation/website in your name? Like helping to pay doom9's bandwidth bill or sth. like that. Please think about it :)

[luphy]

I'd like to point out how damn lucky users of DVDShrink are.
Look at all the opportunities we have into putting input into
this program, and the author is very responsive and QUICK in making
changes. Though I should warn folks to not get spoiled and expect
such awesome, FREE, customer service from the author. :D
I don't see too many posts for suggestions on the other programs
because, well...their authors don't visit these sites like DVDShrink
does!

Cheers to DVDShrink - and for those who know him personally, go buy
the man a beer!

[c22shooter]

fantastic new version. Just produced a test dvd. Ripped 24, did normal analysis, opened a new frame and dragged title 1 through 4( episode 1 -4) into the new dvd folder. i then selcted each title in order and set start and end points to remove material i did not want and pressed back up, result a dvd that plays each episode in order straight through but with the original chapter points in place. picture quality is superb, no disc space wasted.
i intend tommorow to try a number of home produced dvd's of my kids, mixed in with my holidays etc. the ex wife wants a complilation dvd of just the kids, material to be drawn from three dvd's. if the above works i will save me a lot of time.

[lazyn00b]

Quality is better than ever - but somehow it seems like the interface is getting more complicated than necessary. If all a n00b wants to do is backup the main movie, he presses Re-Author and... a new instance of DVD Shrink opens up? I can imagine a lot of people would be confused at this point and not know what to do next (drag the main movie from the first instance to the second). Or am I missing something? If this is the only way to backup main movie, then I would suggest streamlining this process somehow. Or maybe the area in the DVD Shrink window could be a little larger so you could fit two panes of DVD structures (i.e. one for "original" and one for "new"), and then have a little explanatory label in the "new" pane like "drag the parts you want to keep here" or something.

[luphy]

You're right it was a bit confusing at first when I clicked the Re-Author button and got a new window of Shrink.
The ver2.3 that we're all used to had 4 windows (Preview window, compression level window, main window, and then the window with all the different titles). Whereas ver3 has 3 windows (minus window with different titles).

Now the ability to have another window open so that people can drag/drop titles from different DVDs is a good one to create compilations.

So here's an idea: When you press the Re-Author button, have that new instance of Shrink open up as it is now. But in the left column window where you would normally drag the titles you want - split that up into two windows. At the bottom left window, transfer all the titles that are available for Re-Authoring to that lower left window (like it was with ver2.3 in the right lower window). Then the user can drag and drop the titles from the left lower window to the left upper window.

Then if the user opens up another instance of Shrink manually to analyse another DVD (to create compilations of titlesets from multiple DVDs) and they want to copy a titleset from that one to the Re-Author one that is already open, they press the Re-Author button in that program, and it automatically copies the titlesets available to drag/drop onto the left lower window of the Shrink instance that was already opened by the first Shrink (combining it with all the available titlesets from the first DVD, or replacing it all together with the available titlesets from the second DVD - either way would work). Okay I know that probably sounds confusing, but I'm thinking most people will get the idea.

[BlueCup]

Window maximizes, perfect.

That was my only gripe, nice idea of the % too. I haven't tested this version much yet, but as is...still great. Uber alles DVDShrink!

[daehkcid]

Hello,

I pressed the 'ANALYSIS' button, is that the same as the File->Deep Analysis??

Also, I only clicked that onces, how come everybody is tallking about double deep analysing?

[willb2d]

There's a saying in Germany like "all good things are three" or something like that, don't know how to translate it better

My mom's from Germany. There's an expression, "Good things come in threes." Meaning three good things will happen:
1.GOOD 2.GOOD 3.GOOD

And there is an expression "Third time's the charm" but that has a slightly different meaning - it means that after two failed attempts, the third attempt will finally work:
1.BAD 2.BAD 3.GOOD

This concludes our "Amazing world of interesting expressions!" segment of our presentation.

[ephesus79]

If possible, I'd like to see the compression ratio (or approx. ratio) being shown while the DVD is being processed like in older versions. There have been times previously where I accidentally set something to stills that wasn't suppossed to be and I caught my mistake while it was being processed. Once again, thanks DVD Shrink for a great product. Your hard work is appreciated.

[dvdshrink]

I will rethink the re-author interface for official release. You are all right, for the typical main-movie only backup, the second window is too clumsy.

GUI is actually a lot harder to make than transcode engine!

[EnigmaRo]

I want to ask you if you can add an option for just one picture or to add one picture with someting "no extra" :-) I don't think that still pictures are good for many people who wants to save space for the main movie but they want to keep the menus

[69Mws]

Originally posted by willb2d
My mom's from Germany. There's an expression, "Good things come in threes." Meaning three good things will happen:
1.GOOD 2.GOOD 3.GOOD

Yeah, that's what I meant, I just didn't know how to translate it properly :)

Greetz
69Mws

[b0b0b0b]

dvdshrink -- thanks for continuing to improve this great tool!

[m3taPT]

Originally posted by willb2d
My mom's from Germany. There's an expression, "Good things come in threes." Meaning three good things will happen:
1.GOOD 2.GOOD 3.GOOD

And there is an expression "Third time's the charm" but that has a slightly different meaning - it means that after two failed attempts, the third attempt will finally work:
1.BAD 2.BAD 3.GOOD

This concludes our "Amazing world of interesting expressions!" segment of our presentation.


Sorry, but you can't conclude without including everything ;)

In Portugal, there's a saying in the "area" of the above mentioned, that after translation is roughly something like

"There's no 'two' without a 'three'"

Which basically means (following your so my-kids-loved-it way of putting it.. eheh):

1.good 2.good *saying goes here* 3.good

but also can mean

1.bad 2.bad. *saying goes here* 3.bad

Of course, DVDShrink is the first example.

:)

[mrbass]

Originally posted by dvdshrink
I will rethink the re-author interface for official release. You are all right, for the typical main-movie only backup, the second window is too clumsy.

GUI is actually a lot harder to make than transcode engine!

I sent you a really long email message just now suggesting how to revamp it. Hopefully others will come up with some bright ideas too.

[dvdshrink]

Where are you sending emails to, mrbass? I have heard nothing from you in months...

dvdshrink@yahoo.co.jp

[Fenix]

Originally posted by EnigmaRo
I want to ask you if you can add an option for just one picture or to add one picture with someting "no extra" :-) I don't think that still pictures are good for many people who wants to save space for the main movie but they want to keep the menus

Hi everybody :)

I agree with EnigmaRo.

Sometimes still pictures take to much, and it would be perfect to have a extra option like "no extra" for example with a default picture created by you "DVDSHRINK", and if you had the time a option on preferences ( to select our custom picture ) ;).
What do you think? Is it possible to add such feature?

Regarding DVD Shrink 3.0 in general , the program is perfect !!! ;)
Continue the good work!

Best Regards,

Fenix.

[mrbass]

"dvdshrink" <dvd shrink <dvdshrink@yahoo.co.jp>>,
crap...don't tell me you didn't get that email...I'll try to rewrite it....teaches me to save outgoing email next time.
I'll take out the >>

edit:
shouldn't 'Select All' be entitled 'Expand All'?

[jamieo]

I definitely prefered the UI the way it was in 2.3 (for both full and reauthor mode) - especially now there are no longer compression ratios taking up so much room.

As I posted in the very short beta2 thread, the preview window just takes up too much room on the right - the way I use dvdshrink there is a big empty space on the left hand side while I have to scroll the right hand side each time to deselect audio tracks.

I also agree that having a new window pop up is very messy and confusing - although being able to drag and drop from another window is great, it should not be the main way to reauthor.

Keep up the great work dvdshrink! I know how hard it can be to please all the people all the time!! ;)

Jamie

[SirCentipede]

Thank you Mr DVDshrink for your updates on DVDshrink 3.0beta... an update a day keeps the doctor at bay...:D :D

Anyway, I'm totally impressed by the new version of DVDshrink,especially with the new transcoding picture quality of DVDshrink 3.0 betaX.

Last night i did a full backup of Takashi Miikes "Graveyard of Honor" (125 min., PAL + lots of extras). The original movie is very grainy and has quite a bad picture quality, which is a difficult one for every transcoder.

I did it before with different transcoders, which produced lots of blocks not only in action scenes but in slow scenes, too. Only IC7 managed to give a good transcoding picture quality on this one.

And now DVDshrink 3.0 betaX:

I compressed the main movie at 65%, which has been a difficult copmression ratio on DVDsrhink 2.3 (macroblocks). But with DVDshrink 3.0 I virtually couldn't discover any neither in slow scenes nor in action scenes. Together with IC7 this is the only transcoder which gave such a good quality on this movie.

But as I said in the DVDshrink 3.0 beta1 thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59171&perpage=20&pagenumber=2) i noticed a slight desaturation of the movie compared to the original or even IC7, too.

Did anybody notice, that DVDshrink produces slightly desaturated pictures, too ? And can this be solved in the final version of DVDshrink 3.0 ?

[DVDRFreak]

Just did run some test with beta 3.

First I transcoded gangs of new york (movie only).

The quality is amazing. It has less artifacts then the Nero Recode version.

The only problem is that the sateration of the picture has changed. GON is a very colour full movie but the DVDshrink version is a little flat. I hope this will be fixed in the final version



Second test NARC (espacially the high motion scene at the beginning).
A lott less macro blocks in this scene then the Nero Recode version. Still not acceptable though.



Thirth test I did was the reauthor function with two titles from the same DVD I wanted to keep.

The final result plays fine. The only thing that is missing is that the second title should be the final chapter so I can just skip back and forward with the back and forward key on my remote easy on my standalone.

Also I noticed that DVDshrink deletes the second angle. Title 1 was multi-angled but after reauthoring the second angle was missing. If I run it through as a full disc the angle is kept.

[brush]

Hi mates

I don't know if it is wrong or right but :

I have read that choosing " no compression " , shrink does it anyway
even if we choose that option

can Mr shrink help me on that point or other persons

Thanks

[roach76]

Great Stuff dvdshrink, you seem to be implementing all the features I have ever wished for (except for one where your program tells me girls secretly find me desirable).

I applaud the video quality improvement through your deeper analysis method cause I hate having to wait for half a day for encodes on an MPEG2 encoder that gives me only slightly better quality. So maybe this version or in the future 'DVD Shrink' will surpass them and leave them behind.

With the inbuilt ripping with 'DVD Shrink' how have you got it working? Does it rip the whole disc (or title) first and then encode, or does it rip and encode in small packets? I'm only asking cause I heard that encoding directly off the DVD Drive is not good for the drive...
http://www.dvdrhelp.com/dvdbackup.htm (or is it just hogwash?)

I always like to help and motivate those who help me in one way or another, is there someway I can make a donation to you for your efforts?

[zeronegative]

Originally posted by roach76
Great Stuff dvdshrink, you seem to be implementing all the features I have ever wished for (except for one where your program tells me girls secretly find me desirable).

Believe me, that option is quite overrated. I've had girls secretly saying the find me attractive, but when I ask them to do my DVD transcodes, they just stare at me blankly. :D

[bb]

dvdshrink,

first of all a big thanks for your fabulous program.

Now my question:
Would it need much effort to make the program capable of shrinking MPEG-2 elementary or program streams (.mpg or .m2v)? This would be great for quickly reducing the size of MPEG-2 files that have turned out just a little too big during encoding.

bb

[SurfDrifter]

Originally posted by bb

Now my question:
Would it need much effort to make the program capable of shrinking MPEG-2 elementary or program streams (.mpg or .m2v)? This would be great for quickly reducing the size of MPEG-2 files that have turned out just a little too big during encoding.

bb

This is one of my 3 wishes mentioned on my thread "If i had 3 wishes about automation..."!

Hope that this thing become true...

[k2]

MPEG-2 elementary or program streams (.mpg or .m2v)?

Since DVDshink I have not had any need for elementary streams.
DVDshrink is intended to backup a DVD, it does a great job of it.

What you ask for is authoring. Sounds like a new program to me. But DVDshrink may have alot of free time and write it. We know he/she is good at what has done so far.

[jfcarbel]

With an option for deep analysis which slows down the encode, now would be a good time to add a batch encode feature where we could set DVD Shrink to encode mutiple discs that are on the drive.

[SirCentipede]

Yeah, what a great idea, jfcarbel !!!!

I would also like to see a batch processor for transcoding HD-backuped movies overnight.

It would be great, if you could set the transcoding ratios, removal of languages & subtitles after the rough analysis of a DVD and then save your values for each movie in an extra file, which the batch processor can process afterwords (then doing deep analysis).

That would be a great time-saving factor for backing up my DVD-Collection. :) :) :)

Do you get it ? ...don't know if my english skills are good enough to explain what i mean...!?!?