DVD Shrink 3.0 Beta 3

[atreides93]

I am extremely impressed with DVDShrink. Its up there with DVDDEcryptor and ImageTools for usefulness. It blows away dvd2one and all those other DVD backup programs.

[daehkcid]

So are the 'analysis' button and the File->deep analysis the same thing?

[luphy]

Yes Daehkcid. If you hover the pointer over the Analysis button,
a small box will pop up indicating 'Deep Analysis'.

Here's a question for those wanting the ability to put an image
to replace a deleted menu item. If you re-author and keep the menus,
main movie and certain extras - and then try to access the removed
extras, what happens on your standalone? Does it freeze or do you get the null symbol? Simple question I know but I've never kept menus on my backups.

I actually HATE having menus so I've never really backed up a whole disc or a disc with menus and some extras. Even if the whole movie with menu can fit on one DVD without compression I'd still re-author and remove the menus. If a DVD's main movie is less than 4.7gb, and there's an extra that I like then I'd shrink that extra to the disc as a second title.

I suppose if DVDShrink were to ever implement the ability to replace a title with an image - then all those folks who have children and want to censor/delete certain scenes could maybe have an image that says 'Censored' which they can place within their movies in place of the objectionable scenes - using Re-author and Start/Stop cropping.

[sdionne]

I'm not sure if this feature is done in DVDShrink, but I should have a multipass option like IC7.

I'm pretty sure that the quality will increase, and the time to rip the dvd too.. but if the user want quality over speed.. go.

DVDShrink 2.3 give a good quality video.. but often lot of macroblock in the anime movie. CCE is the best for that... but I'm not able to recreate the menu because there is layer break in the DVD... for now I was stuck with DVDXcopy because IC7 crash since the last update on my PC

I'll give a try to the 3.0 version, but will it be hard to add the multi-pass feature ?

[Indo]

I'll give a try to the 3.0 version, but will it be hard to add the multi-pass feature ?

I guess you could see the deep analysis as a sort of multi-pass but are you really asking for multipass to improve quality of a version (3 beta) you never used.
WHY ?

[sdionne]

I'll give it a try tonight, but can you imagine the quality will be the best for ever ? There always place to optimization. Did you try IC7 1 pass,2 pass compare to 5 pass... I did, and I wasn't able to go to 2 pass after that... OK, I'm maybe a freak, but seen macroblock too often in a movie ruin it for me :(

and is not because the option is there you have to use it.

I just suppose that the quality should be better in theory without testing it first.

[daehkcid]

luphy : then where is the 'quick' analysis everyone is talking about?

[Ookami]

Thank you very much for your continous work on this brilliant piece of free (really free!) software.

All the best and cheers to all of you,

Mijo.

[maa]

Well this is what Beta is for I guess :

I have a film which makes it to around 60% and then freezes the computer. Tried it three times now.
Thats with 3.03 Beta.

Same film with 2.6 goes fine.
Let me know if you need more IFO :)

Suggestion :

I'd like to see "Shutdown computer when finished" option on the
encoding dialog.

thanks

maa

[luphy]

Daehkid,

The quick analysis is done automatically everytime you open up
a movie either from a disc or from a folder.
The deep analysis is optional and can be done either from the
File menu, from the Analysis button, or you can click on the option
for Deep Analysis when you do Backup.

[hmmmmmmmm]

Hey DVDShrink,
Once again... awesome. I just did a few movies and I love the new features. My favorite is the ability to choose your own ratio for compression. Not only that, but if you leave something as automatic and then go mess around with another title's ratio, the one set to automatic adjusts for the freed up space... hence automatic. EXCELLENT!!!
If you're looking for suggestions, the ONLY one I would have is when when you get rid of an audio stream or subtitle, is there a way to get rid of it as if it was never there instead of just having a blank audio stream (i.e. you can still select that stream, but nothing is there).
For real though, outstanding job again and ... well, the praise you deserve can't be easily summed up in a few words. YOU DA MAN!! :D

Thanks again. I know I'm going to be enjoying this piece of software while my Pinnacle IC begins collecting dust.

[DMagic1]

Very nicely done. Shrink is not my preferred one click app but its getting there. I really like the slider bar for compression now.

The thing that I think it needs is to select your own single image instead of multiple stills. Much the same as Recode does. Loads of space is save by selecting a single image with a low number of colors.

[VerbaL]

Hi,

After the changelog on these new 3.0 betas, I decided to give DVD Shrink another try. The backup process went fluently:

- I read a DVD to .ISO using DVDDecrypter
- Mounted the ISO in Daemon Tools
- Started DVD Shrink and clicked Open Disk
- Did a deep analysis
- Backed up the disc
- Created a .iso image using Imgtools Classic
- Burnt the iso using dvd decrypter

The disc plays fine on the pc using WinDVD. It also plays fine on my Pioneer standalone player, but not on my main standalone player: a Philips 963SA. The disc loads and when it has to show the menu or warning screens, nothing happens. I tried different media and also a different movie, but both show the same problems. If I hammer the Disc Menu button a couple of times or press play or next it sometimes shows up. If I then choose play movie or something, it might stop again.

I've done many backups using Dif4u, Reauthorist and Scenarist and all those backups work fine. The problem seems to be linked to the DVD Shrink files. Any ideas what I might try or should I just avoid using Shrink? Would be a shame though since it has really improved.

Thanks,
verb

[luphy]

Try burning the files directly to the disc under a VIDEO_TS folder
instead of creating an image first?

[herrde]

Dear Mr. Shrink,

tried to copy a Star Trek TNG episode DVD last night with Shrink 3.0 beta 3 (using backup mode). I removed all language streams but the German one and played around with the ratio settings, finally coming up with exactly 4460 MB shown by the size bar at the top.
I hit backup, activated the Deep Analysis checkbox, clicked ok and went to bed.

When I got up this morning, I checked the result and discovered that it came out at 4,39 GB. This is obviously a bit disappointing, especially when regarding the version history saying that the "Error Margin" option has been removed because it was not needed anymore... by the way, this is the first version of DVD Shrink where I encountered oversizing...

Can this be corrected in the next release?

Otherwise fantastic work, my friend! Picture quality is very good. usability is fantastic!

Keep up the good work!

All the best,

Gero

[martjo]

:)

I am amazed how well this works compared to my previous attempts with reempeg etc etc...The software is simple and clear, very fast and so far top quality results with no problems.

Thanks team and all respect to your efforts.

[dvman]

Originally posted by herrde
I checked the result and discovered that it came out at 4,39 GB. This is obviously a bit disappointing, especially when regarding the version history saying that the "Error Margin" option has been removed because it was not needed anymore...

It should fit on a normal DVD blank...

You failed in maths, did you!? :confused: You got almost what DVD Shrink told you 4,39 (GB) x 1024 (MB) = 4495,36 MB... I call that close :D :D

1 GB equals 1024 MB.

Mathe 6... setzen :devil:

[DVDRFreak]

Originally posted by dvman
It should fit on a normal DVD blank...

You failed in maths, did you!? :confused: You got almost what DVD Shrink told you 4,39 (GB) x 1024 (MB) = 4495,36 MB... I call that close :D :D

1 GB equals 1024 MB.

Mathe 6... setzen :devil:

T dvman

Nope, that is called oversized by 35 MB. The original poster did want a DVD size of 4460 MB.

edit:
The maximum for DVD+R is 4483MB including overhead for filesystem. For DVD-R it is 4487MB I think (not sure). So 4495MB will never fit on a blank disc.

To Herrde
By the way you can set in the preferences a custom size that DVDshrink will use (so you still can use a safety marigin if you want).

I did not discover this problem yet. I use a custom size of 4480MB and it is always around 4479MB. I alwys leave the compression for the main movie on auto and play with the sliders for the extra's.

[herrde]

Hi,

@DVDRFreak:
Thanks for the hint, will try that tonight. Yesterday, I chose the "DVD-R" preset in the options. But nevertheless - it said exactly 4460 MB on the size bar in the main window, and thus you're right, Shrink oversized by 35 MB.

@dvman:
Thanks for reminding me of failing in maths, my friend! But I passed in religion, that's why I BELIEVED that DVD Shrink would deliver fitting files! :sly: And I still believe in that little proggie as it is excellent!

Thanks anyway,

Gero

[ghaynes]

I have always been curious to why people use DVD Decryptor over just having DVD Shrink rip the DVD?

I used to use DVD Decryptor but ever since DVD Shrink allows me to rip the DVD I figured why bother with another app.

What advantage is there using DVD Decryptor over DVD Shrink?

[SirCentipede]

@ghaynes

I used to use DVDdecrypter to rip my movies, because it removes RCE protection and user restrictions in addition to Copyright Protection, RC and macrovision.

In Version 2.3 DVDshrink only removed the latter (CSS, RC & Macrovision), but now in Version 3.0 betaX it is able to remove RCE and user restrictions, too.

So now there is almost no need to rip with DVDDerypter anymore if you want to process the files in DVDshrink anyway.

But i still like to rip my movies with DVDdecrypter, because I'm using different tools and transcoders depending on the DVD i want to backup.

So i like to have a copy on my HD to decide afterwords which transcoder or tool I'm going to use on a given movie.

As far as i know DVDDecrypter is also able to remove the layer break in a DVD-9, but to how much use this is, is questionable. See this thread: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59276

To sum it all up I think you are allways on the safe side with DVDdecrypter, as you can be sure it's going to rip any given DVD and remove all the protection, restrictions etc.

[0xdeadbeef]

Though DVDShrink was and is a very nice tool, the picture quality is still far below IC7 if using a high compression ratio. I tested it again with Brazil. Two scenes: one P-frame with fast moving elements (explosion), one quite still I-frame (dark scene with neon lights). Despite of deep analysis, both frames look very much like the result of Recode and show severe macro blocking while IC7 doesn't.
Taking into account the much longer processing time using deep analysis, the result is a bit disappointing.

[brush]

Originally posted by 0xdeadbeef
Taking into account the much longer processing time using deep analysis, the result is a bit disappointing. [/B]

Ox, Mr shrink didn't improve the quality in BETA 3, there is no need to compare to 2.3, it looks the same
The purpose was to improve the compression levels and other stuff

For me definitively , Pinnacle products sucks ( e.g studio 8 and IC7 )

[Richk50]

"For me definitively , Pinnacle products sucks ( e.g studio 8 and IC7 )"

I think DVDShrink is a terrific program and use it all the time, but the compression engine of IC7 is clearly the best of the one click solutions.

[0xdeadbeef]

As I understood, the "deep analysis" was meant to distribute the compression ratio (and thus the bitrate) more cleverly. This is indeed a similair approach as implemented in IC7. Therefore - and 'coz some folks praised the new version - I thought a new test was sensible.

[herrde]

Originally posted by 0xdeadbeef
'coz some folks praised the new version - I thought a new test was sensible.
Has anyone compared the resulting quality of Shrink (be it 2.3 or the new beta of 3.0) to the latest version of DVD95COPY (or DVD Copy Suite, same engine) yet?
DVD95COPY was - as far as I know - second only to IC7 qualitywise. As everyone compares Shrink with IC7 only, I thought it could be interesting to compare it to DVD95COPY!

Let us know your opinions!

Greetings,

Gero

[SirCentipede]

Personally I agree that IC7 still produces better quality on high compression ratios, although IMHO DVDshrink 3.0 beta has definatly improved on this compared to older versions and to Nero Recode.

And i still think it's very fast, also when doing deep analysis: I just need roung about 50min. to rip, analyse and transcode. IC7 needs about 1.30 - 2.00 h on my computer just for analysing and transcoding.

The user interface and options (like Re-Author, still-picture mode) you have on DVDshrink are IMHO much more user friendly than IC7.

If you do full DVD-Backups on long movies or episode DVD's, keeping all titles, and you are a picture quality freak, IC7 is still the tool of choice in my eyes.

In all other situations i used and will use DVDshrink 3.0, and I'm pleased to see, that the picture quality has improved on these.

It even has increased in such a way, that i think that some people will use DVDshrink 3.0 on longer and episode DVDs, too, 'cause 90% of the time you won't notice the blocking when watching the backuped DVD on TV and not stills on your computer.

P.S.: I have to admit and I'm not tired to say, that there is still a drawback in the Beta Version on DVDshrink 3.0: Slightly desaturated pictures. Although I'm almost certain that this can be solved in the final version.

[colinhunt]

Originally posted by VerbaL
The disc plays fine on the pc using WinDVD. It also plays fine on my Pioneer standalone player, but not on my main standalone player: a Philips 963SA. The disc loads and when it has to show the menu or warning screens, nothing happens. I tried different media and also a different movie, but both show the same problems.

I'm having this exact same problem with Ali G - Indahouse. PC PowerDVD plays the disc OK, with menus and all, but the Philips 963SA gets stuck in a loop: the display reads INFO for a short moment, then the drive makes a squealing sound, the display reads 1-1 for a moment, the drive squeals, the display reads INFO... and so on.

If I press 'next chapter' button on the remote, the movie begins at chapter two. I can rewind to the beginning of the movie, but pressing MENU puts the player back on the loop.

I think the problem might be something to do with removing P-UOPs (in the Preferences). Guess I'll have to do another encoding, this time leaving the P-UOPs in.

By the way, the disc works OK in the Xbox, too! Could be another bug in the Philips 963SA?

.colin

edit: the disc won't work in Philips 962 either, but works OK in PlayStation 2. Funny.

[brush]

Originally posted by SirCentipede
P.S.: I have to admit and I'm not tired to say, that there is still a drawback in the Beta Version on DVDshrink 3.0: Slightly desaturated pictures. Although I'm almost certain that this can be solved in the final version. [/B]

Do u say that in dvd shrink 2.3, the colors were not desatured ?

What do you call desatureted ?

[SirCentipede]

@brush

With desaturation i mean, that the colours, which DVDshrink produces in the transcoded picture are not so bright and clear as in the original one. My other tool of choice beside DVDshrink, IC7, gives almost exactly the same colours as the original one.

At first i thought this is v3 specific, but as someone asked me the same question in another thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59333), i tried DVDshrink 2.3 on the same source DVD (24, Season 1, Episode 1, RC2, PAL) and it produced the same desaturated pictures as DVDshrink 3.0 did.

I would love to know, if people notice this problem on NTSC-DVDs too, maybe the compression engine of Shrink is not optimized for PAL, but I'm not a techie, so i don't know.

[brush]

I live in france and the standard is PAL her

[VerbaL]

@ colinhunt:

Excuse me for saying this, but it's nice to see someone having the same problem :).

So I tried again without letting Shrink remove PUOPS, Macrovision and [edited out] and then I burnt it using Nero (UDF 1.02) without creating an image but the stuff still doesn't work. Another one click app that let's me down...I'm still sticking to the Big 3 ;)

[jined]

Bug report for DVD Shrink 3.0 beta 3

Movie: The KingDom (by Lars Von Triers) Pal version.


First, ripped with DVD Shrink 3 beta 3 (was in a hurry, so,
couldn't shrink at the moment...)

Then, with calm, in the evening tried to shrink at 50%
from 7gb to 4.3gb from HD to HD...with deep analysis activated.

After 5 minutes of work, this error come out:

-----------
DVD SHRINK 3.0

DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue.
The error is:

Cannot Decrypt VOBS

The reason is: Unknown





Regards,

Jined



p.s. A burning engine on DVD Shrink will be appreciated
lots, also, check the transcode engine on PAL movies,
the colors came out with 5-10% less saturation.

[Richk50]

"And i still think it's very fast, also when doing deep analysis: I just need roung about 50min. to rip, analyse and transcode. IC7 needs about 1.30 - 2.00 h on my computer just for analysing and transcoding."

I used to use CCE, so 2 hours to me to get a very good quality copy is not a big deal.

[mikegun]

I used to open ifo files with ifoedit with mouseclick. now dvdshrink opens when "doubleclicking"
an ifo, this is annoying :(

mike

[ghaynes]

@ mikegun

Just change the IFO file type to associate with IFOEdit. To do so open up Windows Explorer and click Tools ==> Folder Options ==> File Types then scroll down to IFO extension and change the open with to IFOEdit. Now when you click on a IFO file IFOEdit will launch instead of DVDShrink.

[mikegun]

hehe, thats what I did before, how do you think I noticed the difference ;-)

[SirCentipede]

I used to use CCE, so 2 hours to me to get a very good quality copy is not a big deal.

To me neither: I used CCE, too, but abandoned it quite fast, because of its time-consuming nature.

But if you can for example get nearly the same result on a rather short movie, which doesn't need to be compressed that much, i will allways take the programm which is faster, which is DVDshrink.

I know that probably there will allways be picture quality differences between IC7 and DVDshrink (because of their different approach to transcoding a movie), but to me the threshhold to choose the one or the other programm is if i can see a difference on my (not soooooo small) telly.

And personally i think that the threshhold has risen in favour of DVDshrink 3.0, without substituting IC7 and its value on long or episode DVDs at all.

After all I'm a fan of both programms: My heart belongs to DVDshrink while my mind belongs to the transcoding engine of IC7.

[colinhunt]

Originally posted by VerbaL
@ colinhunt:

Excuse me for saying this, but it's nice to see someone having the same problem :).

Verbal, I re-encoded the movie but left the P-UOPs in (i.e. I took out the tick from the "Remove P-UOPs" box). I didn't touch any other setting.

The movie was ripped directly from a DVD and the resulting VOBs etc. were burned (with RecordMAX, UDF only, no Joliet) at 2.4x on a Verbatim DVD+RW. And guess what? The disc works perfectly on a Philips 963SA now.

[daehkcid]

Post some picture comparaison of the desaturation please.

Tahnks you :)

I'm NTSC.

Okai, I'll post them, here they are:

http://www.angelfire.com/moon/daehkcid/PDVD_019.BMP
http://www.angelfire.com/moon/daehkcid/PDVD_021.BMP

Guess which one is the original :) One's original, one's with 87% compresssion.

Either i'm blind, or i can't see. I see exactly the same saturation. I'm glad i don't have awk sharp eyes. Maybe your eyes are too sharp.

[Xitrum]

I tried to use DVDShrink v3.0 beta 3 last night with the CHARLIE'S ANGEL movie, on my computer with an AMD CPU, and after adjusted all compression ratios and let DVDShrink do it works. The resulted DVD was at 5.7Gig:confused: . I thought I did something wrong, so I tried it again, twice, and the results still the same:devil: . I already done a few movies with this version previously and I always get them under 4.37G.

Tried the same disk on my other computer with an Intel CPU and the result was perfect.

Also, I found that the shutdown when completed option did not shutdown the machine completely. It shutdown windows upto the stage where windows displays a message "It now safe to turn off your computer", but did not shutdown the power.

I think there are also some bugs with the RCE protection removal algorithm, as so far, it said that it found RCE protection on 2 of my PAL movies, but when I used IFOEdit to check out the RCE protection, IFOEdit said there are none.

[k2]

I am using LOTR for my testing and yes color is less vivid with shrink 3.0 beta.

[Toona]

ok here's what I found.I was backing up the Godfather Part II disk 1 last night and I did the deep analysis and the resulting files size was 4464MB exactly on target and I used full disk backup with automatic sizing. Then when I went to burn the files onto a dvd-r with recordnow max I got disk information too big media has insufficient space but it even measured down on the blue bar that it was within limits(behind the red line). So I re-transcoded and did the manual slider and the resulting file size was 3.9GB well under the limit and still recieved the same "too big" error with recordnow. So I went back and transcoded with DVDShrink 2.3 and picked the best ratio I could to make it fit on the disk (which was level 8) and the resulting file size is 4.28GB and burns perfectly. anybody else have any ideas about this?????

[b0b0b0b]

While the app is transcoding (or has any kind of modeless dialog up) I cannot minimize the original window. Can you make it so the original dvdshrink window can be minimized?

Thanks

[ovenheat]

When reauthoring, is there a way to retain the menus? Also if I were to reauthor and drag only certain title sets and no menus what would be the result? Would they just play in the order that I put them in? Basically would the extra features roll one after another following the credits of the main movie?

[VerbaL]

Thanks for the info colinhunt. I'll give it one more try then, did you rip the files using DVD Shrink or DVD Decrypter?

[SirCentipede]

@daehkcid

thank you for your NTSC stills.
I don't see any saturation difference in your stills either, so maybe desaturation only occurs on PAL movies...:confused: :confused: :confused:

I posted some stills of mine on another thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=59391

[ghaynes]

@daehkcid

Seems like you getting alot of traffic on this stills. I have yet to be able to view them. Showing as unavailable for the next 4 hours. It was only 1 hour last night but I gave up trying.

[colinhunt]

@ verbal:

I used DVD Shrink for the ripping as well.

@ Mr. DVD Shrink:

please, please, PLEASE move the "shutdown after encoding finished" tick box to the encoding process window!

I ticked the box because I thought the encoding would be done before I got home, but I came back early. I had no way of stopping the shutdown without cancelling the encoding and starting again!

[Anijake]

Originally posted by colinhunt
@ verbal:

I used DVD Shrink for the ripping as well.

@ Mr. DVD Shrink:

please, please, PLEASE move the "shutdown after encoding finished" tick box to the encoding process window!

I ticked the box because I thought the encoding would be done before I got home, but I came back early. I had no way of stopping the shutdown without cancelling the encoding and starting again!

I don't see why people would use this option. Why not just set the computer to go to sleep in power management? When I come home my computer is in S3 sleep mode and all I have to do is hit the space bar to wake it up. If I am home when the encoding is done nothing happens. I assume that most people are using XP by now and the sleep mode works just great.