Matroska playback

[kastro68]

Hi,

you'll have to excuse my ignorance for this question.
I was just wondering what I need to install to be able to playback a mastroska file. And a place to download it would also be nice.

I ran a search for "matroska DSF" and "matroska playback" and no results

[robUx4]

Hello,

We have just released a new version of the Matroska DSF today that you can download from http://www.matroska.org/announce.html

(version 0.4.0)

[bond]

hm the .bat doesnt really works good...

if you rename the install.bat into install.txt and open it you will see:

regsvr32 mkxds.dllrename this line with the paths of your system! for example:

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\regsvr32.exe "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\mkxds.dll"of course you can put your "mkxds.dll" anywhere you want on your system...

save the .txt and rename it back to install.bat and run it!

have fun with matroska!

[robUx4]

Yes, you have to run the .bat from the location the .dll is installed.

[Sirber]

The new version is working well, the seeking works.

Also, MKV is smaller than an AVI :). 800ko for a ~230 Mo AVI.

[unmei]

wouldn't it be a bit simpler to just run regsvr32 by yourself ;)
(esp. if you have Xp's "open command window here")

[Animaniac]

A couple things:

At high bitrates/resolution, there still seems to be a stuttering problem. Bitrate ~3000 KBps, Resolution 1000x540 (It's not a system spec. issue, since it plays well in AVI and OGM.)

In files with dual audio streams and subtitles, seeking seems to be hit-or-miss. Usually, it sits there and you need to seek to a different spot again and again, and eventually it seeks correctly. Secondly, all audio streams are played at the same time. DVobSub (auto-loading) doesn't seem to jump in the filter graph.

These seem to be minor problems since it's a huge functional improvement over the last version. All basic functionality seems to be solid, just the fancy stuff remains. Unbelievable progress! The filter also is working correctly to generate thumbnails in Windows XP given the correct registry keys. Great work. Thanks. ^_^

[BlackSun]

Originally posted by Animaniac
A couple things:

At high bitrates/resolution, there still seems to be a stuttering problem. Bitrate ~3000 KBps, Resolution 1000x540 (It's not a system spec. issue, since it plays well in AVI and OGM.)



Can you tell me what was the audio codec/bitrate/frequency ? thx

[Animaniac]

Originally posted by BlackSun
Can you tell me what was the audio codec/bitrate/frequency ? thx

Vorbis/~128 KBps/44100 Hz

[Lefungus]

I've played a little with matroska today and noticed a few things with the latest directshow filter (iris release or 0.4 i think) and virtualdub mod posted at matroska.org:

-When i just have the video alone, it's ok, but there're still glitches when i seek in time. I've used a clip encoded in xvid. By glitches i mean blocks and artifacts, that appear for a few seconds and then it works good

-When i mux Ogg Vorbis with the video, the playback become jerky. Not always. It's sometimes very noticeable, sometimes not. It's not because i have not enough cpu power (2.4GHz inside)

Anyway, i'll use matroska now ! Keep up the good work :) !

[BlackSun]

Originally posted by Lefungus

-When i just have the video alone, it's ok, but there're still glitches when i seek in time. I've used a clip encoded in xvid. By glitches i mean blocks and artifacts, that appear for a few seconds and then it works good

That's because it doesn't seek to a KF yet. If I can quote robux4: "let's keep some room for improvements during the next week" :D


edit: I'm tired I'm leaving useless vB codes

[ssjkakaroto]

this new filter is a lot better than the previous, thx a lot m8s :)

[Ramirez]

Something strange is going on here,I thought Christian said that WMV9 and Vorbis audio isn’t working as a moment in mkv container, however I just muxed WMV9 with Vorbis audio a few minutes ago and its plays just fine, none a single problem.

Winxp-sp1
DShow 0.4.0

[robUx4]

Originally posted by Ramirez
Something strange is going on here,I thought Christian said that WMV9 and Vorbis audio isn�t working as a moment in mkv container, however I just muxed WMV9 with Vorbis audio a few minutes ago and its plays just fine, none a single problem.

Yes, old Chris has problems to keep up with the progress recently. We like to support unexpected things ;)

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by robUx4 Yes, old Chris has problems to keep up with the progress recently. We like to support unexpected things ;)

:p

You know i cant follow all the talking on the channel as i do usually for the time being .. but you really could have told me you fixed WMV9 playback :D .

Where was the problem ? VdubMod ( i dont think so ) or the parser filter ?

[robUx4]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
You know i cant follow all the talking on the channel as i do usually for the time being .. but you really could have told me you fixed WMV9 playback :D .

Yes, but it's hard to tell you when you're not there ;)
I know you have more important things to deal with, so it's OK. Even if you're not there, you are subliminally there :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
Where was the problem ? VdubMod ( i dont think so ) or the parser filter ?

In the filter, it was fixed maybe a week ago (very very old considering the speed we progressed).

[Demi-god]

With any given video and (single)audio stream Matroska(0.4.0) seems to work quite nicely but when I tried using Windows Media Player 9 with it I hit a couple serious problems:
- divx 3.11 video does not play at all and audio stutters(WMP plays the file as an audio only file), divx5 is fine and zoomplayer plays this file without any problems
- seeking does not work at all, maybe due to a missing feature that WMP uses? The slider won't move when I try dragging it, and when I release the left mouse button the video rewinds to the beginning!
Some may argue that one does not need to use WMP, but hell, OGM works just fine with WMP so Matroska should too, eventually.

Hm, I just tried muxing a divx5/ac3 and divx3/ac3 files into mkv, works like a charm, even in WMP with seeking and stuff. But the divx4/mp3 file did not seek in WMP and divx3/mp3 didn't play video in WMP.

[ChristianHJW]

Thanks demi-god , we will look into this soon. For the DivX3/MP3, what happens if you press 'stop' and then 'play' again ?

[Milkman Dan]

I mentioned this in the channel earlier, but I wanted to post it here as well.

If I have an AVI file that has 2 ac3 tracks, and demux them using Vdubmod, and then try to re-import them (to use in a new .mkv), the import filter hangs right near the end. The ac3's play back fine, and even Scenarist accepts them as valid files. So I don't know what the problem is.

I haven't noticed any high bitrate playback problems.

Two ac3 streams in one file seem to play fine, with a minor exception: the playback with the second stream stutters and jerks a bit, at a seeming 2-3 second interval. Switching back to the first stream makes the problem go away.

I haven't tried subtitles yet (waiting for word on image-subs) so I can't give feedback there.

Great job guys.

[Demi-god]

Thanks demi-god , we will look into this soon. For the DivX3/MP3, what happens if you press 'stop' and then 'play' again ?

Nothing extraordinary. The stuttering audio-only playback stops and when I press play it starts just as if I had just opened the file.

[Herculezz]

Originally posted by Sirber

Also, MKV is smaller than an AVI :). 800ko for a ~230 Mo AVI.

Hmm 800K File compared to 230M file or am i misunderstanding

[outlyer]

Originally posted by Herculezz
Hmm 800K File compared to 230M file or am i misunderstanding
I guess it means 800KB of difference between avi and matroska

[ChristianHJW]

OK, here is a new release of the matroska DirectShow parser :

http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/mkxds-v0.4.1.zip

It should fix most of the jerky playback, although the main problem was not really fixed, we just increaded the thread priority of the filter by one step to 'ABOVE_NORMAL' , and this did the trick for most PCs of the dev team.

robux4 wants to add some more code to solve the queing problem soon, and then even on weaker machines it should work fine.

The Win98 version is here : http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/mkxds-0.4.0-W98.zip BUT IS COMPLETELY UNTESTED !!! USE ON YOUR OWN RISK ;) .... lol

http://www.matroska.org/announce.html

Ok, have fun !!

[Balm]

Hi Christian

http://matroska.sourceforge.net/dow...s-0.4.0-W98.zip this URL isn't Correct. http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/mkxds-0.4.1-W98.zip (http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/mkxds-0.4.1-W98.zip) should be the right one ;)

By the way: the WIN98-version works fine :)

Cu Balm

[Atamido]

I should point out that I still have the problem of jerky playback using Xvid+Vorbis on XP.

[robUx4]

Stay in touch with me tomorrow morning. We'll try to see what happens on your machine.

[CaptainCarrot]

I just noticed something about that jerky playback issue... I have 2 movies here at roughly the same bitrate, one of them (skorpion king) with a lot of action a not so compressible, so it's at 512x208, plays fine, I can not really make out any jerky playback, the other one (about a boy) is highly compressible, so it's at 720x304, plays extremely jerky. So maybe it's somehow related to output resolution? Just a thought...

[[Toff]]

CaptainCarrot, can you give more precisions.
What CPU do you have ?
Can you cut a piece of the movie which is jerky and give us its average bitrate ?

On of my test file is the famous chapter 29 of The Matrix encoded in Xvid with a resolution of 720x416 (anamorphic) and an average bitrate of 2535 kbps (audio is vorbis@96kbps) and it play well without jerk on my Athlon 1Ghz CPU.

[Liisachan]

I tested XviD+Vorbis/AC3/MP3cbr with 0.4.1 on my Win2K
All plays fine.

As for seeking, ... a short test clip (like 2-min) is ok,
seeking in a longer one (like 20-min) is not so comfortable for me.
(1) On moving the seekbar, I get a broken, brocky pic.
(2) Then, everything stops for like 3-10 secs.
(3) After that, seeking works gradually.
This happens only in a long clip. Seeking in a short clip is instant and decent.
So, it might be that I just need a faster CPU. My PC is old, 850 MHz :( What is the minimum/recommended spec to play Matroska, I wonder?

On the other hand, unofficial sub support is exciting.
I can switch subs more smoothly than ones in OGM.
It is amazing that you can even switch subs instantly when a sub is on-screen. It's as tho, sub-pictures were not buffered but ran real-time. cool :) (This means, Karaoke should work fine by default, in softsub)

Plus, seems you can already store sub texts in UTF-8, tho playback is not yet supported by DSF.
Surely UTF-8 subs will make ppl happy in such language areas as Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Russian etc., who are not so happy with today's OGM. (I am one of them)

[Animaniac]

Even more jerky (than 0.4.0) with my high resolution and high bitrate clip. Seeking seems much quicker and smoother though.
Resolution: 1000 x 540 pixels
Bitrate: ~3000 Kb/s
Codec: XviD decoded by ffdshow-alpha 24-4-2003
Audio: Vorbis ~128 Kb/s, 44100 Hz

[oddball]

Even more jerky here. XP SP1 P3 800. 640x480 divx clip with dual OGG audio.

[robUx4]

OK, the jerkyness seem to be due to high image resolution, regardless of the encoding bitrate. Yesterday I made some tests with AVI with uncompressed 720x576 and HuffYUV 720x576 + PCM audio short captures... On my XP-2400+ (twin bank RAM) it was very jerky ! So apparently the problem is more into DirectShow... Maybe the amount of data for each pin is limited and because of caching for synching audio and video it cannot get enough memory to work...

For those with jerky files, is the same file in AVI jerky ?

[Atamido]

My file isn't jerky in AVI, but I also don't have the Vorbis audio in the file in that case.

[Animaniac]

My test clip was orginally in an OGM container, which played perfectly using the OggDS filters. So, I doubt it's a DirectShow limitation.

[ChristianHJW]

To everybody with jerky playback :

We have indication that the problems may be cause by Vorbis audio only. Can you guys make those tests please :

- Demux the audio in VdubMod ( 'streams' list, disable Vorbis streams, 'Video' 'Direct stream copy', 'save as ... MKV ' ) and play the MKV video file alone

- transcode the Vorbis to MP3, mux with video and try again

Sorry for the work this may cause, but we have to be sure ....

[lighty]

@ ChristianHJW

Hrmmm- hasn't Animaniac just said that his clip plays flawlesly when muxed in OGM container? If that is the case then why would Vorbis have to do anything with it?

I am just curious I am not trolling...;)

[Kb_cruncher]

skippy playback for vorbis can be fixed by changing to default wave_out device from default direct sound_device(or the other way round,i can'nt remember now).

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by lighty @ ChristianHJW: Hrmmm- hasn't Animaniac just said that his clip plays flawlesly when muxed in OGM container? If that is the case then why would Vorbis have to do anything with it? I am just curious I am not trolling...;) ... you guys go testing and leave thinking to us :D .. LOL !
It could be that the error occurs on the interface between the matroska parser filter and the OggDS Vorbis decoder filter ....

[Animaniac]

Ok doing the two test produced unexpected results, which could mean that it's not the OggDS Vorbis Decoder that's the problem. Wait, I'm not supposed to be thinking. ;)

1) Matroska video only: Played smoothly, however, there were a couple minor jerks in video playback that didn't occur the second time the video was played.

2) Matroska with Vorbis audio: As mentioned above, very jerky

3) Matroska with MP3 audio: Just as jerky as with Vorbis audio.

I think we need to give Tobias credit where credit's due, and stop automatically jumping to the conclusion that his filters are flawed. Although some may say they are flawed in design, but they are pretty darn solid in application.

[Atamido]

Originally posted by Kb_cruncher
skippy playback for vorbis can be fixed by changing to default wave_out device from default direct sound_device(or the other way round,i can'nt remember now).

For my test clip using Vorbis, I can use Graphedit to map to 4 different audio renderers from the Vorbis decoder.

1. Default DirectSound Device. This is what is mapped by default and has the jerky playback.
2. Default WaveOut Device. The video is smooth, but the audio sounds like a scratched record.
3. Directsound: SB Audigy Audio [D000]. Audio and video both play fine.
4. SB Audigy Audio [D000]. Exact same results as Default WaveOut Device.

At no point during any of this does the CPU usage break 15%, and most of the time it is far less than that. Does anyone else with an Audigy get a result like this?

[Animaniac]

Originally posted by Pamel
For my test clip using Vorbis, I can use Graphedit to map to 4 different audio renderers from the Vorbis decoder.

1. Default DirectSound Device. This is what is mapped by default and has the jerky playback.
2. Default WaveOut Device. The video is smooth, but the audio sounds like a scratched record.
3. Directsound: SB Audigy Audio [D000]. Audio and video both play fine.
4. SB Audigy Audio [D000]. Exact same results as Default WaveOut Device.

At no point during any of this does the CPU usage break 15%, and most of the time it is far less than that. Does anyone else with an Audigy get a result like this?

Hmm, that's odd. Default DirectSound should be the same as "DirectSound: SB Audigy Audio" for you. It should map to the DirectSound for whichever sound card one has. Default WaveOut should map to the "legacy" filter for one's soundcard, in your case "SB Audigy Audio." So in theory, 1 and 3, and 2 and 4 should produce the same results. It's odd since 2 and 4 do, however 1 and 3 do not.

[Atamido]

That is exactly what I thought. But switching back and forth between 1 and 3 produced the same results for each, each time. 1 was always jerky, and 3 was always smooth.

Very strange indeed. Thats why I was wondering if anyone out there has an Audigy that they could try and duplicate this with.

I am using the latest beta drivers for my Audigy off of Creatives web site. They actually have a link to Tom's Hardware for the download. :confused:

[Animaniac]

Ok, even more odd. All 3 versions are playing fine now, however WMP now requires ~60% of system resources. Before it was ~15%. Something let WMP take more resources for a while... After restarting WMP, it's gone back to being jerky... This jerky playback seems a little more random now.

[Demi-god]

Version 0.4.1 of Matroska DSF was supposed to have better seeking, right? Well it totally broke seeking for me, no matter which player I use! In WMP I can sometimes seek but then video plays super fast without any audio..the previous filter used a technique like this to synch audio and video but this phase never ends with the current DSF. And the memory leak still seems to be there, try opening a mkv file with vdubmod and watch the allocated memory for VDM grow.

[ookzDVD]

Originally posted by Animaniac


I think we need to give Tobias credit where credit's due, and stop automatically jumping to the conclusion that his filters are flawed. Although some may say they are flawed in design, but they are pretty darn solid in application.

That's why I'm still using .ogm :)

[Animaniac]

In the filter packaged with CoreAAC, jerky playback... is gone. BUT, the video lags the audio. =( The audio seems to resync itself by skipping at even intervals.

Edit: It seems that I can't reproduce this behavoir. However, sometimes the vorbis audio file plays fine, the MP3 audio file no longer plays smooth at all. This filter seems to produce unpredictable results. >.<

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by Animaniac This filter seems to produce unpredictable results. >.<

??? Toff is reporting the very same. However, none of my files show this behaviour at all, even my anamorphic encoding at 720 * 432 res and 1300 kbps is playing smotthly on both of my machines, a 1GHz PIII laptop and a SMP PIII 800 server ..... we just cant reproduce this behaviour :(

The only team member with those problems is Toff, and he has found differences also between his builds of the DShow parser ( the one coming with CoreAAC package, its built by Toff ) and the 'official' version on the download page, built by robux4. Toff also can confirm that this strange jerkiness is not always there, and we have no idea so far where the problem could be.

Nic, please come to our rescue :scared: !!!

[ChristianHJW]

Ok, as we still have no clue whats going on with this stupid jerkiness, lets try to get things organized :

To everybody with jerky playback problems !!!

Please post here and tell us precisely what movies give you problems

Hardware : CPU, video card, soundcard, mainboard
OS : version, SP version, DX version
Video : codec, resolution, average bitrate, framerate
Audio : number of streams, codecs, sampling rate
Subtitles : number of streams
DShow filter : are you using ffdshow, and what version ( stable or unstable )

Please test with both parser filters, the one released in the 'AAC in matroska' thread ( http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/mkxds_aac_multichannel_20030521-2.rar ) and the official version ( 0.4.1 ) from http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/mkxds-v0.4.1.zip and please report if there are any differences.

Thanks so much for helping us to track down the problem !!

[ChristianHJW]

Stop !

No action required guys, take your seats again. Toff has found a bug in the calculation of the sample duration when lacing was used in audio, and as VdubMod is very advanced ( to save overhead ) its using lacing already on most audio codecs, especially Vorbis and MP3.

Toff has fixed the problem already in CVS, and we hope to be able to relase a new version of the filter tonight.

[Sigmatador]

erf i've to stop my 4 tester PCs ^^

good news, good job :cool:

[ChristianHJW]

OK, new filter with lacing problem fixed is up

http://www.matroska.org/announce.html

Its version 0.4.2

If you still have problems with vorbis audio, that may be because of a flaw in Tobias' OggDS how to handle show timestamps ...we are investigating how to solve this ... stay tuned !

[Animaniac]

No audio and MP3 audio play flawlessly. Vorbis is a little "sluggish," but I quickly stop noticing when watching. Great work! Thanks.

[Liisachan]

XviD + AAC file made by MKVMERGE 0.4.1 was played nicely in MPC.
with MKxDS.dll 0.4.2 and 3ivx D4 4.0.4 DirectShow Audio Filter.

Seeking is decent in a short clip, while it is not so comfortable in a longer clip.

XviD+AAC in MKV nicely--which means, basically: "MP4 container is useless anymore!" isnt it?

[robUx4]

Originally posted by Liisachan
XviD+AAC in MKV nicely--which means, basically: "MP4 container is useless anymore!" isnt it?

I don't think MP4 will be useless anytime soon :)
I wonder if the same files are smaller in MKV than in MP4, BTW.

I don't have long movies in matroska yet. I may try this to speed seeking in long file.

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by Liisachan XviD+AAC in MKV nicely--which means, basically: "MP4 container is useless anymore!" isnt it?
I wouldnt think so, dont forget MP4 is very good for streaming and an industry standard already. But i can see a situation where MP4 users transmux their stuff into matroska, even only contemporary, to be able to make use of MKVs enhanced editing capabilities from VdubMod, and then maybe transmux to MP4 again after editing is finished ...

[robUx4]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
I wouldnt think so, dont forget MP4 is very good for streaming and an industry standard already. But i can see a situation where MP4 users transmux their stuff into matroska, even only contemporary, to be able to make use of MKVs enhanced editing capabilities from VdubMod, and then maybe transmux to MP4 again after editing is finished ...

And maybe use some codecs or matroska features unsupported elswehere. MP4 will be good for proven hardware support.

[Liisachan]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
I wouldnt think so, dont forget MP4 is very good for streaming and an industry standard already.
Sure, "useless" is exaggeration, actually when I typed it, I was thinking secretly "Hmm...but hardware support is something."
But someday there might be hardware support for Ogg Vorbis / Matroska etc. as in Ayaka's dream-inspiring pic (http://www.faireal.net/matroska/Ayaka/mkv_dvd_02.png).

Plus, isn't MKV streamable?

Personally, to me, mp4 was mildly interesting because I can use AAC as audio. As for interoperability, mp4 is not so practical as claimed at least now on Windows (ie. QT6/Mpegable/MP4IP/envivo etc.). altho mp4 should be promising in theory, I dont want to pay for it when I have free containers like Ogg and Matroska.


Note: of course i m talking about mp4 format as a container,
not as a codec algorithm family.

[Atamido]

That reminds me, we will need to do a poll soon and decide on a logo. If anyone has any comments on those three potential logos in the above picture, please feel free to post them.

[Sigmatador]

i prefer the "galaxian" one

[ookzDVD]

I still got jerky playback problem, even with the latest 0.4.2,
xvid + .aac or with .ogg or with .mp3 mux with mkvmerge 0.4.1,
played with MPC 6.4.5.0, ffdshow build 05-23-2003, win2k sp3,
athlon xp 1700+, ge-force2 mx200.

[Blueseb]

seeking seems problematic with long clips. :(
on a 1 hour long clip (xvid+vorbis) it works well enough in first minutes, but the far i seek in the timeline the longer it takes to resync: video plays faster with no audio for some minutes, then audio starts to play while video stops and in the end it plays normal.

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by Blueseb
seeking seems problematic with long clips. :(
on a 1 hour long clip (xvid+vorbis) it works well enough in first minutes, but the far i seek in the timeline the longer it takes to resync: video plays faster with no audio for some minutes, then audio starts to play while video stops and in the end it plays normal.

robux4 has 4 days off and wants to fix this known bug this very weekend ;) ...

[The Link]

Seeking is crappy and should be implemented properly before any other feater kicks in IMHO! :)

edit: Christian cleared this aspect while I was posting this!

[Defiler]

Semi-related.. Just released DefilerPak 1.08, which incorporates 0.4.2 of Matroska DirectShow.
I have a zillion users, so your installed base just grew. Heh.
http://hellninjacommando.com/defilerpak/

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by Defiler I have a zillion users, so your installed base just grew. :) :) !!!!

[Assault]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
I still got jerky playback problem, even with the latest 0.4.2

Confirmed...
My system:
Athlon 1,2 GHZ
256mb RAM
Geforce4 TI 4200
WinXP, no SP


Assault

[robUx4]

Even at the beggining of the file ?
If so could you cut it to have only the beggining and post it somewhere ? This way I can test it here and see where the pb is.

You can PM me for the link if you need.

PS: The pb with Vorbis is known and seemed to be caused by the Vorbis filter, not the matroska one.

[Assault]

@ robUx4

Yes it plays jerky at the beginning of the file but it isn't as strong as when I jump to the middle or end of it. But the one I tested has indeed Vorbis audio. Do you need it nevertheless?

Assault

[robUx4]

Originally posted by Assault
@ robUx4

Yes it plays jerky at the beginning of the file but it isn't as strong as when I jump to the middle or end of it. But the one I tested has indeed Vorbis audio. Do you need it nevertheless?

Assault

If that's only with Vorbis, no. What muxing tool did you use ?

[dsmith]

I'll add in a note... Jerky playback on XviD video, creating using basic direct stream copy in VDM. Audio is VBR MP3. However, it's a soft jerky playback, as if one out of every 5-10 frames was dropped. Also, if the file is stopped and restarted the jerkyness goes away. Very repeatable, and only happens with XviD. DivX is fine. Using ffdshow for playback filter, but whether I use that or not doesn't seem to affect anything.

System is Athlon XP 2100, nForce2 motherboard, 1GB RAM, Win2K/SP3.

--
David

[Assault]

@ robUx4

I haven't tried it with other audio formats yet but I'll test it with MP3 tomorrow.
The file was also created with VDM (direct stream copy).

Assault

[Assault]

@ robUx4
My problem was VirtualDubMod related. I tested it today with VirtualDubMod_CVS_20030604 and jerky playback was gone.
Great work!

Assault

[Defiler]

Originally posted by Assault
@ robUx4
My problem was VirtualDubMod related. I tested it today with VirtualDubMod_CVS_20030604 and jerky playback was gone.Ooh.. Link? Heh.

[Assault]

@ Defiler
You'll find latest VirtualDubMod here (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/virtualdubmod/VirtualDubMod_CVS_20030604.zip?download).

Assault

[bond]

this release has been drawn back because it is buggy!

[Assault]

Originally posted by bond
this release has been drawn back because it is buggy!

Hmm....This is the only VDM version that creates working matroska files on my system. All matroska files which were created by the "original" VDM 1.5.1.1a had jerky playback.

Assault

[Defiler]

Are there any non-VDM GUIs that are verified to create non-jerky Matroska files on your system, Assault?

[Assault]

@ Defiler
I tested mkvmerge and it worked too. But the overhead of the matroska file was big. VDM produced a file 696 mb big and the mkvmerge file had 702 mb, so I prefer VDM.

Assault

[ChristianHJW]

New matroska DShow parser available from the Downloads page (http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/downloads.html).

This new filter is adding

- CoreVorbis (http://corevorbis.corecodec.org) support
- EDIT : Added Aspec ratio correction in every DShow Mediaplyer now, in conjunction with latest FFdshow-alpha (http://sf.net/projects/ffdshow) from 23rd May !!!! All you have to do is to activate 'use overlay mixer' in the 'codecs' setup page of FFDshow.
- DTS support ( untested ; muxing with either next VirtualdubMod or mkvmerger since 0.4.2 )
- Support for the new subtitles mediatypes, for working UTF8 subs playback in DVobSub ( Gabest is late, bug him to update it :D .. lol )

Important :

This new filter will be necessary to be able to play files created with next VirtualdubMod and mkvmerger release. The old filters may have difficulties recognizing the number of video/audio tracks correctly, with new files. Old files are still 100% supported and spec compliant, we just added a new EBML element to make handling of framerate easier for Cyrius and Mosu, and the old filters may have a problem with the new element.

Important 2 :

While this new filter works fine for one half of the team, its having problems for the 2nd half ;) . We have no idea why, so dont delete you v0.4.2 installer yet ;) ....

[Gaia]

Latest DShow parser(Win98 version) seems to work fine in my short tests.

[outlyer]

@Chris:

from download page
Gabest, [...] He will be working on a muxer filter also he said, that way capturing into mkv files on DirectShow via WDM drivers was possible.
initial release was announced here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54560&perpage=20&pagenumber=5), last version now is 1.0.0.3

[ChristianHJW]

YES !!!!! 30 mins ago Gabest put the new vsfilter.dll (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/guliverkli/vsfilter_20030610.zip?download) online on his Guliverkli Project Page (http://sf.net/projects/guliverkli)

So, finally, everybody making MKV files with UTF8 subs in VdubMod or mkvmerge can see them, and in correct UTF8 language ;) ....

[Aboo]

Should I register it with regsvr32? Or how should i use it?

[ffroms]

Copy .dll to your system or system32 folder and register it with regsvr32. It's replacement for DVobSub . Actualy it is DVobSub,Avisynth filter,VDub filter. I've just test it with new MatroskaSplitter (from Gabest ofcourse) and it works with MPC6.4.5.4 without any problems except it shows square at the end of first line if sub have to lines of text. I don't know is it problem with DVobSub or VDubMod when I created mkv (UTF8).

[filewalker]

:) :) :)
I can't believe my eyes! Wow...Subtitle support!

I don't know what to say....I'm just smiling !


Gabest rocks!!:)

Cu filewalker

[Liisachan]

(1) successfully muxed 2 SRTs, one in Japanese, the other in Finnish.
it does play fine. i can switch 2 subs by just clicking the popup menu and i can see Japanese and Finnish correctly.

ppl in W. Europe might say "You could do that w OGM"
but NO! this is not possible w OGM if 2 languages belong to different Code Pages. (You can switch, say, English and French easily in OGM, because they happen to belong to the same Code Page.)
This is really cool. This is exactly what I wanted to do.

(2) I confirmed that I can put Finnish and Japanese in one line.
This is impossible w OGM even tho you set the Code Page/font settings manually.

Multilanguage note (http://ld-anime.faireal.net/guide/matroska)

[outlyer]

Total usability (aka viable OGM replacement) is nearer :D:D:D

[Defiler]

Originally posted by Liisachan
(1) successfully muxed 2 SRTs, one in Japanese, the other in Finnish.
it does play fine. i can switch 2 subs by just clicking the popup menu and i can see Japanese and Finnish correctly.That is awesome. I love Unicode.
P.S. Release Rizelmine 23 and 24 plz thx. :D

Now, to bring this post back on topic.. While I don't run Win9x myself.. I support a lot of people who do. Many of them are having difficulty unregistering the Win9x version of 0.4.2. "regsvr32 /u mkxds.dll" just hangs.
Anyone else seen that phenomenon?

[Atamido]

If it hangs trying to unregister it: Reboot, copy the new file over the old file, then re-register.

[Defiler]

Originally posted by Pamel
If it hangs trying to unregister it: Reboot, copy the new file over the old file, then re-register. Yeah. That's what I've been telling them to do.

[oddball]

Dual OGG audio still jerky as heck.

What was that about Rizelmine 23-24? I am still waiting on the last few episodes myself. Yes please!

[[Toff]]

Originally posted by oddball
Dual OGG audio still jerky as heck.
Could i ask what vorbis decoder are you using ?
Is it also jerky with 1 vorbis audio stream ?

[Blueseb]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
YES !!!!! 30 mins ago Gabest put the new vsfilter.dll (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/guliverkli/vsfilter_20030610.zip?download) online on his Guliverkli Project Page (http://sf.net/projects/guliverkli)

So, finally, everybody making MKV files with UTF8 subs in VdubMod or mkvmerge can see them, and in correct UTF8 language ;) ....
and it works great:D
I think matroska is becoming very 'sexy'...;)

[MoonWalker]

I just tried mkxds-v0.4.3 Dshow parser....Great :)...But why matroska sucks??!?! :p :p (Look at the about box of the parser)

MoonWalker

[robUx4]

Because above all things, we link to have fun :D

[CaptainCarrot]

Sorry to interrupt the subtitle-happiness, but i'd like to draw attention back to jerky playback: My mkv with vorbis played back fine with the mkxds.dll that came with CoreVorbis. Since this mkxds.dll seems to be unable to play mkv-file muxed with the 10/06/03 vdubmod, I downloaded the 0.4.3 mkxds.dll and registered it, and now my movies play jerky again! :confused:
Btw. it doesn't matter if the mkvs are muxed with old or new vdubmod, the play jerky.
I created a 245kb 3s clip that shows it very obvios, I can mail it to everyone interested.

[[Toff]]

Could you check that your graph use CoreVorbis please ?
The 0.4.3 filter can also connect to Tobias filter, so you maybe need to update you CoreVorbis filter which now use a higher priority.

[ChristianHJW]

Can you check ( either in Graphedit or in a player with a filter list ) what decoder filter is used when playing Vorbis from MKV please ?

I hope you didnt uninstall CoreVorbis ?

[CaptainCarrot]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
I hope you didnt uninstall CoreVorbis ?
Of course I didn't! But... I must confess that I haven't been a chief updater lately... and with the latest CoreVorbis ... the movie ... plays ... FINE :D :D ! Thanks for helping :) (Toff was right, OggDS was used)!

[oddball]

Why is it nobody explains things for the people who are not 'heavily' interested in the devlopment side.

I did not know ANYTHING about the CoreVorbis project or the MatroskaSplitter project.

I now have working MKV with multiple audio streams and NO jerking!

If someone had pointed this out a little earlier it would have helped :)

Mind you I can see that this only appeared in the last week or so. ;)

[Blueseb]

well, until about a week ago matroska wasn't noobie-proof :sly: ; now we have full working dshow filters, and a 'matroska q&a' thread appeared just in time :p
i think we couldn't ask for more to develepers :D

[robUx4]

I'm sure some people will want more.
And we still have more to give ;)

[chepe36]

Originally posted by CaptainCarrot
Sorry to interrupt the subtitle-happiness, but i'd like to draw attention back to jerky playback: My mkv with vorbis played back fine with the mkxds.dll that came with CoreVorbis. Since this mkxds.dll seems to be unable to play mkv-file muxed with the 10/06/03 vdubmod, I downloaded the 0.4.3 mkxds.dll and registered it, and now my movies play jerky again! :confused:
Btw. it doesn't matter if the mkvs are muxed with old or new vdubmod, the play jerky.
I created a 245kb 3s clip that shows it very obvios, I can mail it to everyone interested.

Same thing here...

[Assault]

@ robUx4, Gabest

Did you read ffrom's post?

Copy .dll to your system or system32 folder and register it with regsvr32. It's replacement for DVobSub . Actualy it is DVobSub,Avisynth filter,VDub filter. I've just test it with new MatroskaSplitter (from Gabest ofcourse) and it works with MPC6.4.5.4 without any problems except it shows square at the end of first line if sub have to lines of text. I don't know is it problem with DVobSub or VDubMod when I created mkv (UTF8).

I have the same problem. It doesn't matter if these matroska files are created by VDM or mkvmerge. There's always a square at the end of the first line when there are two lines displayed.
I use latest MatroskaSplitter for playback.

EDIT: This also occurs with latest mkxds.dll

Assault

[CaptainCarrot]

Originally posted by chepe36
Same thing here...
Not here anymore! If you read on after my first post Toff and Christian suggested to get the latest CoreVorbis-Decoder, and with that the jerkiness is gone. If you use an older version OggDS is used for Ogg-Playback, and that's the reason for stuttering playback.

[filewalker]

without any problems except it shows square at the end of first line if sub have to lines of text. I have also this side effect like Assault & ffrom when the subtitles are displayed.

used VDMod prerelease(CVS_20030611.zip) for muxing.
MatroskaSplitter 1.0.0.8
VSFilter 2.25
source:1 Xvid Video/2 Ogg Audio/3 .srt subtitles
WinXPPro

can't say it too often...thanks for your great support & work!

Cu filewalker

[robUx4]

It seems that the pb is this VSFilter...
Maybe Gabest will be able to investigate more. But it's hard to tell if the filter is done by someone else...

Does it support UTF-8 ?

[Atamido]

See above. What Vorbis filter are you using? Install the latest CoreVorbis filter and use GraphEdit to see what filter is being used for playback.

This applies to anyone using Vorbis audio and is getting jerky playback.

[ffroms]

Originally posted by robUx4
It seems that the pb is this VSFilter...
Maybe Gabest will be able to investigate more. But it's hard to tell if the filter is done by someone else...

Does it support UTF-8 ?

I guess that to. As I can remember UTF-8 support is new in latest VSFilter so that could be the problem. I'm still waiting for Gabest to say something about that (of course if he feels the need to answer that ;) ).

FFS

[Animaniac]

I installed the shell extensioin (http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/MatroskaProp.v1.1.zip) and now aspect ratios are not used when playing back MKV's. I uninstalled the extension to no avail. I tried reinstalling (separately) [Edit: the latest versions of] Gabest's and the libmatroska version of the filter. Eeep. How could that even affect it?

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by Animaniac
I installed the shell extensioin (http://matroska.sourceforge.net/downloads/MatroskaProp.v1.1.zip) and now aspect ratios are not used when playing back MKV's. I uninstalled the extension to no avail. I tried reinstalling (separately) [Edit: the latest versions of] Gabest's and the libmatroska version of the filter. Eeep. How could that even affect it?

:eek: :eek: :eek: !!!

Now that is severe ! What Dshow filter are you using, Gabest' or ours ? Are you using MPC, or another player ? What will happen if you use TCMP with the CDL plugin ( you have to deactivate 'use overlay mixer' in ffdshow or it will crash ) ?

Sorry about that

[Animaniac]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
:eek: :eek: :eek: !!!

Now that is severe ! What Dshow filter are you using, Gabest' or ours ? Are you using MPC, or another player ? What will happen if you use TCMP with the CDL plugin ( you have to deactivate 'use overlay mixer' in ffdshow or it will crash ) ?

Sorry about that

Oh wait, that's it. I had disabled the overlay mixer in ffdshow (since somewhere it said it was not a good idea). Enabling it again fixed it. Thanks!! Correlation without causation!

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by Assault
I have the same problem. It doesn't matter if these matroska files are created by VDM or mkvmerge. There's always a square at the end of the first line when there are two lines displayed.
I use latest MatroskaSplitter for playback.

EDIT: This also occurs with latest mkxds.dll

Assault [/B]

Guys, can you upload some small sample files please ? Gabest wants to have a look, because we cant reproduce this here ?

[Assault]

@ ChristianHJW

You can download a small sample here (http://www.geocities.com/assaultss/Sample.zip).

Assault

[filewalker]

Here's a screenshot that shows this square at the end of first line if sub have to lines of text.
http://www.geocities.com/filewalker666/TestMKV.jpg(copy&paste the URL and open it in a new fresh browser window)

Short sample file:
I'll send gabest the URL for a short sample file

used VDMod prerelease(CVS_20030611.zip) for muxing.
MatroskaSplitter 1.0.0.9
VSFilter 2.25
Core Vorbis Decoder_1.0b3
VMR9
Zoomplayer3.10 beta RC2
source:1 Xvid Video/2 Ogg Audio/2 .srt subtitles
WinXPPro

Cu filewalker :)

[robUx4]

We're sorry, but this page is currently unavailable for viewing.

[Atamido]

Remove the "TestMKV.jpg" from the end of the URL, go to the homepage, and the add the "TestMKV.jpg" back to the URL and you will see the picture.

[kastro68]

Originally posted by Pamel
Remove the "TestMKV.jpg" from the end of the URL, go to the homepage, and the add the "TestMKV.jpg" back to the URL and you will see the picture.

Or you can just drag and drop the link into address bar.