GordianKnot 0.28 Final is out - see thread in the main forum

[Jing]

These little bugs are mostly just annoyances in the install and uninstall process and do not affect the functionality of the programs. However, it would be nice to get it right.

I am running Windows 2000 Pro.

First of all, after installation, Gordian Knot does not appear on the list of programs in Add/Remove Programs. This could be fixed merely by an entry in the Windows Registry, and it should be fixed for consistency.

Also, it seems the uninstall program simply delete the programs and the program folder, without touching the registry keys. I assume this is to preserve user settings in case of a reinstall. And there is a "Delete Registry Keys" button in the Options tab, which restores default settings. It works fine, although a bit unusual since uninstall is supposed to clean up the registry as well.

On the other hand, "Huffyuv AVI lossless video codec (Remove Only)" appears in Add/Remove Programs, but remove doesn't work due to a invalid UninstallString.

Lastly, all the Start Menu items are installed only for the user who did the install, i.e. Administrator in my case. It's probably preferable to make it available for All Users by default instead.

Thanks again.

[SubConscious]

These little bugs are mostly just annoyances in the install and uninstall process and do not affect the functionality of the programs. However, it would be nice to get it right.

These are not bugs. Bugs prevent a program to work correctly as it should be (this is how I chose the installers to work).

First of all, after installation, Gordian Knot does not appear on the list of programs in Add/Remove Programs. This could be fixed merely by an entry in the Windows Registry, and it should be fixed for consistency.

At the beginning I have done it like that but then I thought that it is better to be only as a link, because after all it does the same job and it doesn’t mess a lot with windows.

Also, it seems the uninstall program simply delete the programs and the program folder, without touching the registry keys. I assume this is to preserve user settings in case of a reinstall. And there is a "Delete Registry Keys" button in the Options tab, which restores default settings. It works fine, although a bit unusual since uninstall is supposed to clean up the registry as well.

When you press the button “Delete Registry Keys” and close GKnot then the registry keys have been deleted and not replaced by the defaults. I believe that the most people will find it annoying to uninstall GKnot to install a newer version and see that all their settings have gone. After all you can delete them manually.

On the other hand, "Huffyuv AVI lossless video codec (Remove Only)" appears in Add/Remove Programs, but remove doesn't work due to a invalid UninstallString.

Huffyuv AVI lossless video codec indeed has problem with uninstallation. This is a problem which can’t be fixed because the installation of the codec is made by the creator of the codec.

Lastly, all the Start Menu items are installed only for the user who did the install, i.e. Administrator in my case. It's probably preferable to make it available for All Users by default instead.

You are right about that. I never thought about it. From now on the Start Menu items will be available for All Users if the user who is doing the installation has privileges on the other accounts. This will be applied in the next GKnot release.

[BiaTch 5.0]

Is it possible to do 3 or more passes with DVX5.4 ? I can't seem to find how to set this up.

[majerle]

@BiaTch 5.0
Sure you can ! :p
go to encoder, press add job, check divx 5
You have "First Pass" button, "Nth pass" button, and "Number of passes" from 2 to 6.
But have you latest divx 5.03beta fully registered ?

regards

Andres

[Jing]

These are not bugs. Bugs prevent a program to work correctly as it should be (this is how I chose the installers to work).


Sorry, my mistake. I meant "features". ;-)


At the beginning I have done it like that but then I thought that it is better to be only as a link, because after all it does the same job and it doesn’t mess a lot with windows.


Fair enough. It's just that I thought it's a good idea to keep it consistent with standard Windows behaviour, since GKnot "messes" with the registry anyway.


When you press the button “Delete Registry Keys” and close GKnot then the registry keys have been deleted and not replaced by the defaults. I believe that the most people will find it annoying to uninstall GKnot to install a newer version and see that all their settings have gone. After all you can delete them manually.


Understood. I just thought that was unusual too. But if you really want to avoid messing with the Windows registry, which I think is an admirable goal, user settings could be saved in a simple text configuration file, and the user has the choice of keeping or deleting it at the time of uninstall.


Huffyuv AVI lossless video codec indeed has problem with uninstallation. This is a problem which can’t be fixed because the installation of the codec is made by the creator of the codec.


No problem. Just pointing that out.


You are right about that. I never thought about it. From now on the Start Menu items will be available for All Users if the user who is doing the installation has privileges on the other accounts. This will be applied in the next GKnot release.


Thank you very much. Looking forward to the final release.

[BiaTch 5.0]

Originally posted by majerle
@BiaTch 5.0
Sure you can ! :p
go to encoder, press add job, check divx 5
You have "First Pass" button, "Nth pass" button, and "Number of passes" from 2 to 6.
But have you latest divx 5.03beta fully registered ?

regards

Andres
Thanks buddy, I never went that far, I expected it to be in the options bar :P

Thank god GKnot now supports Nth pass, DVX504 I can't take DVX's shit config.

[Selur]

(speaking of Xvid)
hope this wasn't emntioned before, but some people tend to do the 1st pass, shutdown the computer. Now the restart the computer but can't add a Xvid 2nd pass to the encodeing queue.

Multipass, only adds 1st pass
same for First pass
and Nth pass wants an DivX4-log-File

Would be nice to be able to add a second pass to the encoding queue on it's own ;)

Cu Selur

Ps.: Problem came up in a german forum.

[len0x]

can you please submit the bug at SF in the bugs section ?
(so that I will not forget about it)

[len0x]

Originally posted by Jing
I just finished a 2-CD rip of The Thing using Beta 2, and the audio in the split avi files is out of sync by a couple of seconds, while the audio in the unsplit file was fine.

I bet if you open final avi in VdubMod you'll see warning "improper VBR header detected"...
Since option to ignore VBR headers cannot be enforced in the script, I'd better switch to nandub for splitting (will do for the final version).

[Selur]

yup, no problem, it'll be posted ;)

[MinosK]

The auto split feature is working really really great (in beta4 only)!!! Why don't you make GKNOT to also autosplit the .sub files??? I believe it is simple.. The comand line usage of vobsub cutter is:

rundll32 vobsub.dll,Cutter <src> <dst> <countfromstart> <hh1:mm1:ss1:ms1> [<hh2:mm2:ss2:ms2>]

(but i'm sure you olready know that...)

Can you make the autosplit to make the 2ed cd to start approximately 10 sec before the end of cd1??

[Wilbert]

I also installed Gknot rip pack and beta 3. I have a few questions/comments:

1) When opening a huffyuv-avi (yuy2) the preview doesn't show anything? I really appreciate if you could look at this.

Some less important stuff:

2) The one pass is greyed out, could you enable this?

3) Is Nandub used when encoding/muxing the audio? Because I can't encode/mux the audio without installing Nandub. Isn't it better to use VdubMod for this?

4) About the deinterlace options, could you add a standard option:

Telecide()

for correcting swapped fields/phase shifts. I guess this is not important for dvd's, but for captures it is often used.

Sorry, if any of this is changed in beta 4.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Wilbert
1) When opening a huffyuv-avi (yuy2) the preview doesn't show anything? I really appreciate if you could look at this.


My knowledge in this area (AVI2AVI) is a bit limited. Can this be realted to Avisynth ? (may be you can post sample of avi file here, so we can have a look. All samples of avi that I tried opening with GK were fine...)

Originally posted by Wilbert

2) The one pass is greyed out, could you enable this?


I think this was disabled since 0.27 (There were no 1-pass mode for a while). It'll be back after 0.28...

Originally posted by Wilbert

3) Is Nandub used when encoding/muxing the audio? Because I can't encode/mux the audio without installing Nandub. Isn't it better to use VdubMod for this?


Nandub is used only for divx3 encoding. All other modes (divx5, xvid, muxing & splitting) are performed by vdubmod...
So you have any errors when nandub is not present ?

Originally posted by Wilbert

4) About the deinterlace options, could you add a standard option:
Telecide()


:) Deinterlacing becomes the most confusing part on save avs window :)
I'm not sure if I can fit in one more option unless I split it into two columns (like I did with resizing method)...

[Wilbert]

My knowledge in this area (AVI2AVI) is a bit limited. Can this be realted to Avisynth ? (may be you can post sample of avi file here, so we can have a look. All samples of avi that I tried opening with GK were fine...)
I will post a short sample (after eastern).

So you have any errors when nandub is not present ?
Yes, I only see the audio muxing/encoding disabled (I'm not behind my own comp, so I don't know the exact options) check, when Nandub is not installed. The other (about) four options are not present.

Deinterlacing becomes the most confusing part on save avs window I'm not sure if I can fit in one more option unless I split it into two columns (like I did with resizing method)...
Oh, ok. If it is not to much work :) But if you don't do it, it's also fine.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Wilbert
Yes, I only see the audio muxing/encoding disabled (I'm not behind my own comp, so I don't know the exact options) check, when Nandub is not installed. The other (about) four options are not present.


That'll be fixed. I wanted to do that ages ago, but forgot :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by MinosK
The auto split feature is working really really great (in beta4 only)!!! Why don't you make GKNOT to also autosplit the .sub files??? I believe it is simple.. The comand line usage of vobsub cutter is:

rundll32 vobsub.dll,Cutter <src> <dst> <countfromstart> <hh1:mm1:ss1:ms1> [<hh2:mm2:ss2:ms2>]


Thats not trivial - I don't have cutting points in hh1:mm1:ss1:ms1 format, only frames... So you can submit request at SF, may be at some point we'll do that...

Originally posted by MinosK

Can you make the autosplit to make the 2ed cd to start approximately 10 sec before the end of cd1??

I'm not convinced that this is usefull. Some ppl want this, some not, some want 15 sec, some 2-3 keyframes, some want manual adjustment - the number of options is huge. It's not worth making everybody happy with this feature (yet) :)

[drebel]

- stats file for second pass of xvid can now be loaded

Not yet here with beta4.Trying beta5 .... :(

[len0x]

what exactly doesn't work ?

[BiaTch 5.0]

This issue may have been fixed in current beta,

[Gknot beta2] I had sync issues with mp3 that I found where caused when Gknot split the encoded video file

[drebel]

I though the "load" button didnt serve only stats file created by gnot ,but also manually from virtualdubmod...

[X-guy]

When i try manualy work with VirtualDubMod,when i chose the compression under the Video tab,it gives me an error of "This application has failed to start because MSVCRTD.dll was not found..."
Its with the Beta5,clean installed after uninstalled the previous one.

[Claudius]

That warning happened with me also and I copied msvcrtd.dll in the sistem32 and it worked.

[X-guy]

found it

[len0x]

Originally posted by drebel
I though the "load" button didnt serve only stats file created by gnot ,but also manually from virtualdubmod...

You thought correct - I have no problem loading *.stats as well a vdenc.log...
(but if you rename vdenc.log to something else it won't work since I have no way of finding out whether it's 5.0.2 log or vdubmod...)

[len0x]

Originally posted by BiaTch 5.0
This issue may have been fixed in current beta,

[Gknot beta2] I had sync issues with mp3 that I found where caused when Gknot split the encoded video file

It is fixed in beta 5...

[mazzo]

I've seen some discussion about Nandub/VirtualDubMod here, and my experience is: When I use GKnot 0.28 (not the LATEST version, I haven't tested that yet) and VirtualDubMod muxes the audio, it will be delayed with approx 120 ms. This will not happen if I mux with Nandub.

I am talking about encoding from avi here, not from DVD.

Question: I see that there is a whole new rip pack now from april 19. What do I need to use the latest 0.28 version of GKnot?

[cca]

When I press the Load button trying to load an XviD stats file, I get a "Floating point division by zero" error. Is this going to be fixed eventualy?

[len0x]

Originally posted by cca
When I press the Load button trying to load an XviD stats file, I get a "Floating point division by zero" error. Is this going to be fixed eventualy?

are you able to do that with 0.27 (the same stats file)?

[cca]

@lenox:

Nope. It doesn't work with 0.27 either. I think it only happens with XviD encodes that have bframes enabled. But it is annoying because I can load the same file in the "Nandub files" tab with the "Open" button.

[len0x]

Originally posted by drebel
I though the "load" button didnt serve only stats file created by gnot ,but also manually from virtualdubmod...

I found small bug preventing vdenc.log being loaded from different locations than project. Should be ok in the next version....

[len0x]

Originally posted by cca
[BNope. It doesn't work with 0.27 either. I think it only happens with XviD encodes that have bframes enabled. But it is annoying because I can load the same file in the "Nandub files" tab with the "Open" button. [/B]

Well I had a look and I can't do anything :)
See, loading takes into account snip size of the comp test. So only stats files generated by comp test can be loaded this way...
In fact "load" means "load comp test results", not "load first pass"...

[LordIntruder]

Hi.


A suggestion about differents bitrates used for movie and credits.

Could you code a credit option that, when selected and filled, tell people the new bitrate for the movie? Of course if you use Gknot to do all the encoding stuff this option is useless as it recalculate itself the correct bitrate. But people using Gknot only to make a quick AVS and encode the stuff manually with VirtualDub would enjoy such an option. :)

I would! :)

You can get this information by letting Gknot to encode the credits and then you hit "abort". In the job area it will then write the new bitrate for the movie. Then you hit abort again to stop the movie encoding. Yes we can do that but it's not very fine, you'll agree, and should be great to have a new box in the bitrate tab for example that would allow us to fill it and read directly what we need.

Anyway whatever you decide, thanks for all. :)

[X-guy]

Hi guys i got this little problem...
i ripped a movie to XViD+OGG,now when GK finishes the job and mux the video with the ogg,nandub just crashes with vorbis.dll error,but when i try to mux the two with oggmux,it works fine,any idea why?
I was a way while it was ripping,when i came back the movie rip was finished but when i opened the file it gave me an error of libmplayer.dll,so thats why i had to use the oggmux program to mux them again,btw with oggmux the final file size was much more accurate then the GK calculation (GK had an error of -3MB while oggmux had just the requested file size).

[drebel]

Well I had a look and I can't do anything
See, loading takes into account snip size of the comp test. So only stats files generated by comp test can be loaded this way...
In fact "load" means "load comp test results", not "load first pass"...

I 'm not a coder and hell i dont want to patronise u (sorry in advance) ,but is there a way to open an xvid.stats file containing b-frames with "open nandub stats" method instead of throwing that ugly "floating division by zero" automaticaly from "load button" (and in the same time auto-answer "no" to that question about the correct number of frames)?.You 'll save a LOT of people from troubles (especially the nOObs)

Just a thought...

[Wilbert]

The huffyuv file (five frames) can be downloaded here:

http://www.geocities.com/wilbertdijkhof/huffyuv.avi

The problem is that the preview doesn't show anything (tried with beta 3).

[majerle]

@X-guy
Nandub isn't supporting ogg, neither Gordian, now.

Encode video with gordian and audio with besweet, mux with virtualdubmod or ogmuxer !

Regards

Andres

[X-guy]

Originally posted by majerle
@X-guy
Nandub isn't supporting ogg, neither Gordian, now.

Encode video with gordian and audio with besweet, mux with virtualdubmod or ogmuxer !

Regards

Andres

Well it did encode with the Ogg file,just the player wont open it with a dll error,weird,but thanx,yeah im muxing the files manualy just as i thought.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Wilbert
The huffyuv file (five frames) can be downloaded here:
http://www.geocities.com/wilbertdijkhof/huffyuv.avi
The problem is that the preview doesn't show anything (tried with beta 3).

wow, I can't play that file with anything. Moreover I cannot even see it properly with VDubMod (it's showing very very scrumbled picture...)

[len0x]

Originally posted by drebel
I 'm not a coder and hell i dont want to patronise u (sorry in advance) ,but is there a way to open an xvid.stats file containing b-frames with "open nandub stats" method instead of throwing that ugly "floating division by zero" automaticaly from "load button" (and in the same time auto-answer "no" to that question about the correct number of frames)?.You 'll save a LOT of people from troubles (especially the nOObs)
Just a thought...

It's impossible with just _one_ button, only by instroducing another button this can be done :)
Coz there is no way for me to know in advance what the hell are you loading :cool:

[Wilbert]

wow, I can't play that file with anything. Moreover I cannot even see it properly with VDubMod (it's showing very very scrumbled picture...)
It looks garbage on this pc too. Don't know what went wrong. Please, try the following file:

http://www.geocities.com/wilbertdijkhof/huffyuv4.avi

[len0x]

well, I checked the way avi is loaded and found this dll is responsible for that:

avifil32.dll

So I guess there is nothing we can do about it... (I checked a couple of versions I could find, but no luck) If someone has dll which can load those types of avi file - let me know...

[mazzo]

When choosing 112 as CBR on the MP3, BeSweet will downsample to 44.1 automatically.

[len0x]

Originally posted by mazzo
When choosing 112 as CBR on the MP3, BeSweet will downsample to 44.1 automatically.

I have troubles understanding - is this bug, feature or suggestion ? :)

[mazzo]

It is a fact, in other words - a bug.

[len0x]

Originally posted by mazzo
It is a fact, in other words - a bug.

Then I'll tell you that this is a feature since 0.27...
(the same goes for VRB mp3 actually). I didn't do that on purpose - that's how it's always worked...

[mazzo]

Well, it works ok if you put "resample 48" in the command line.

When it downsamples to 44.1, the audio falls out of sync in the final mux.

[len0x]

Originally posted by mazzo
When it downsamples to 44.1, the audio falls out of sync in the final mux.

that's a differrent problem then... I'm not really an expert in audio. Can someone tell me if downsampling works in general? (i.e. no problem in muxing afterwards)

[idanm19]

Hello everyone !
(I updated cut.bat a little bit ...)
untill the subtitles auto-split feature is implemented, I have a batch file to make the job, maybe someone else will find it useful... (see attachment, rename it from cut.txt to cut.bat or copy&paste)

@echo off
echo Subtitles (2 parts) cutter automate and avi renamer by Idan Miara
echo Useage: cut (hh:mm:ss.ms) (SUB_SRC) [AVI_NAME] [DEST_MOVIE_NAME]
echo:

rem change the rar.exe path if needed
set RAR="C:\Program Files\WinRAR\RAR.exe"

rem ------------ VARIABLES SET ------------

if %2x==x goto ERROR

set CUT_POS=%1

set SUB_SRC=%2

set AVI=%3
if %AVI%x==x set AVI=%SUB_SRC%
set AVI1=%AVI%_part1.avi
set AVI2=%AVI%_part2.avi

set DEST=%AVI%
if not %4x==x set DEST=%4
if not %5x==x set DEST=%4 %5
if not %6x==x set DEST=%4 %5 %6
if not %7x==x set DEST=%4 %5 %6 %7
if not %8x==x set DEST=%4 %5 %6 %7 %8
if not %9x==x set DEST=%4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9

set DEST1=%DEST% [1of2]
set DEST2=%DEST% [2of2]

if not exist %RAR% goto ERROR
if not exist %SUB_SRC%.idx goto ERROR
if not exist %SUB_SRC%.sub goto ERROR

rem ------------ EXECUTE ------------

rundll32 vobsub.dll,Cutter %SUB_SRC% temp1 0 0:0:0.0 %CUT_POS%
rundll32 vobsub.dll,Cutter %SUB_SRC% temp2 1 %CUT_POS%
ren temp1.idx "%DEST1%.idx"
ren temp1.sub "%DEST1%.sub"
ren temp2.idx "%DEST2%.idx"
ren temp2.sub "%DEST2%.sub"

%RAR% a -m5 "%DEST1%.rar" "%DEST1%.sub"
%RAR% a -m5 "%DEST2%.rar" "%DEST2%.sub"
del "%DEST1%.sub"
del "%DEST2%.sub"

ren "%AVI1%" "%DEST1%.avi"
ren "%AVI2%" "%DEST2%.avi"
echo:
echo DONE !
echo:
goto END

:ERROR
echo hh:mm:ss.ms: Cut possition (see comment*)
echo SUB_SRC: the subtitle name (without the .idx .sub extention, NO SPACES)
echo AVI_NAME: don't append the _partx.avi
echo just the name before the "_" (NO SPACES)
echo DEST_MOVIE_NAME: movie name, may consist up to 6 words (5 spaces)
echo:
echo Example: input: "HI_RISK_SCN.idx", "Hi_Risk_part1.avi"
echo "HI_RISK_SCN.sub", "Hi_Risk_part2.avi"
echo:
echo Prompt: cut 0:36:19.440 HI_RISK_SCN Hi_Risk Hi Risk
echo:
echo Output: "Hi Risk [1of2].avi", "Hi Risk [1of2].idx", "Hi Risk [1of2].rar"
echo "Hi Risk [2of2].avi", "Hi Risk [2of2].idx", "Hi Risk [2of2].rar"
echo:
echo * Edit path for rar.exe in cut.bat (if not "C:\Program Files\WinRAR\RAR.exe")
echo * Defaults: AVI_NAME:=SUB_SRC, DEST_MOVIE_NAME:=AVI_NAME
echo * how to find the cut possition:
echo open moviename_part1.avi with VirtualDub and then push CTRL+RIGHT ARROW.
echo look inside the brackets at bottom where it says: Frame...
echo close the file moviename_part1.avi in VirtualDub, or else it won't be renamed.

:END
pause

[len0x]

=====================
known problems:

audio-bitrates below 128 (in lame) can cause sync-problems (and sound terrible), because lame is automatically
downsampling to 32 or even 22kHz. i highly recommend to use 128 or 160 and nothing else. to avoid downsampling you
have to add "--resample 48" to your lame commandline options if you encode at low bitrates. also downsampling to 44.1
with BeSweet and ssrc should be no problem.
=====================

I guess BeSweet still has this problem probably...

[mazzo]

I find giving sound on old movies higher bitrates than 96 to be overkill, it's better to give as much bitrate as possible to the video, or ....?