New Tool: DoCCE4U

[Eyes`Only]

Don't get me wrong, your input is most welcome. I'm looking for suggestions on modifications to the default avisynth scripts I provide, most definitely.

As the docs show, you can specify deinterlacing manually, or set it to detect and add it automatically (just like dvd2svcd). However, also just like DVD2SVCD, we cannot diagnose interlacing in PAL video accurately, so my app leaves PAL alone unless you manually specify to deinterlace.

Yeah the telecide(guide=2) is something I've never used. I'm NTSC so I use telecide(guide=1). But even Telecide() should work, it just might take a small amount of processing overhead as it detects the PAL automatically.

[BBWoof]

New version of DoCCE4U has been released. It can be found at http://docce4u.panthersden.com

There is already on bug noted. When you start the program it reports that it can't find a value in the registry. Don't worry about it. It doesn't affect the program.

BBWoof

[Mikel]

I don't know if you have changed the interface to CCE already, i am still having more or less the same problem that CCE does not start encoding.

Cheers

Mikel

[Eyes`Only]

I found that it works if you DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING once you press start.. If I change the focus away from CCE at any time, it starts doing weird things like not finding the .ecl, not recognizing that CCE is done, etc.

So basically the only way I've been able to use DoCCE4U is at the end of the night, I start it up, don't touch a thing, and go to bed :D

[Mikel]

I came that far. As before, DoCCE4u stops in the first step when it should open the ecl file (basically the File-Open window).
Could the reason be that i use a German Win XP?

After a few secs, the following error msg appears:

ERROR: Could not locate ComboBoxEx32 control on CCE File Open Dialog
ERROR: Could not open ECL file into CCE

Hope this helps to find the problem.

It's nice though that the program does not crash anymore.

Cheers

Mikel

[d4g]

ok i have forund a bug whish i dont know wht is at fault..here after ditf4u finishes i set in it to9 strat docc4u and to encode automatically...but found it just opens up docce4u but doesnt encode this is with both docce4u new version and doif4u new version

[tomy601k]

@hakko504

What is your advice for interlaced extra's in PAL DVD's ... Not the main movie because I didn't encounter an interlaced movie yet ... but most of the extra's on my DVD's are interlaced ... Thanks in advance ... :)

Tomy.

[hakko504]

If you're trying to achieve high compression (as with extras) my tests have indicated that TomsMoComp(1,5,1) is usually the best choise. It smooths the picture quite a lot, and that makes it easy to compress. (Note: all my earlier tests have been made with A2.50 and DivX5.02. Not sure whether there is a major difference between MPEG-2 and MPEG4 in this respect.) And as pointed out before in this thread, progressive pictures compress more easily than interlaced, but the process of deinterlacing may ruin the picture. You'll have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Oh, and make sure they really are interlaced first before using a deinterlacer. use separatefields() to study the individual fields for artifacts first, and Telecide(guide=2,post=false) to see if you can recreate a progressive structure without deinterlacing.

[baker]

@hakko504

I have an update on my Spdierman interlace problem, you telecide guide thingy didn't remove ANY of the lines, however just putting in telecide() done a good job. Just to let you know.

P.S. just like to say that a filter for smoothing the extras is something I would love and if you are looking for filter compression methods go to www.kvcd.net and in the forums they have come up with the best filter compression techniques I have ever seen, a bit slow though..

Baker

[d4g]

hi my extras are shaky but the ,movie is fine would u know what thats from...
i remebar one oither movie i did the old fashined way of cce 2.5 that the top field frist was wrong in cce that when u check top field first it does boittom fild frist

if thats the case does docce or doitfat for detect these settings when it loads the ecl file into cce.....

i need a fix for these things thatnx

[BBWoof]

Originally posted by d4g
hi my extras are shaky but the ,movie is fine would u know what thats from...
i remebar one oither movie i did the old fashined way of cce 2.5 that the top field frist was wrong in cce that when u check top field first it does boittom fild frist

if thats the case does docce or doitfat for detect these settings when it loads the ecl file into cce.....

i need a fix for these things thatnx

No, I know that DoCCE4U doesn't check for that. And right now I don't have the template editing dialog done. There is a way to fix change the value though:

Run regedit
Go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\WoofSoft\DoCCE4U\template
Click on the template you want to modify and change the Upper Field First setting to 0 to turn it off.

Hopefully soon I'll have a way to do this within the program.

BBWoof

[d4g]

when u do intergrate that will it automatically scan so it know which way to do it
for each encode

[BBWoof]

Determining when top field first is a goal that I have. But I'm going to need some PAL source material, and some PAL rippers to tell me what I'm doing. :)

BBWoof

[BBWoof]

Version 1.0.0.8 has just been released. It should fix the language problem as well as the timeout problem when looking for the main cce dialog. It's available at http://docce4u.panthersden.com


BBWoof

[hakko504]

Originally posted by BBWoof
Determining when top field first is a goal that I have. But I'm going to need some PAL source material, and some PAL rippers to tell me what I'm doing. :)

BBWoof top/bottom field can be found from the .d2v file. Read Nic's explanation in this thread. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49423)

[BBWoof]

I need a PAL encoder out there to rip a disk and run dvd2avi for a title that requires tff, and one that doesn't and send me the d2v files. I'm sure I can incorporate this into the program easily enough.

BBWoof

[d4g]

hey bbwolf theres a bug in the latest version it doesnt automatically encode it says cant open ecl file but in 1007 it works fine......

can u look into it thanx

[69Mws]

Originally posted by BBWoof
I need a PAL encoder out there to rip a disk and run dvd2avi for a title that requires tff, and one that doesn't and send me the d2v files. I'm sure I can incorporate this into the program easily enough.

BBWoof

I could do this after work (7 hours to go from now). I have at the moment a whole Season of "Friends" (German RC2) on my HD prepared for CCE encoding.

This material is definitely tff-interlaced and I'll send you one of the d2v-Files!

I also have two other german PAL movies (Forrest Gump & Enemy At The Gates) ready prepared on my HD. These two are progressive. Or do you need a d2v-File from a movie which is bff-interlaced (German RC2 of Natural Born Killers would be bff-interlaced)?

What's your mail address?

Greetz
69Mws

[d4g]

ok i can send u one thats top field first i think...how can i determinine which is which in d2v

i need a detailed explanation thanx

[jrmann1999]

This is sort of off topic, but I wanted to verify that DoCCE4U is now not only used for DVD backup, using a simple bitrate calculator and some prep work I was able to transcode HDTV type Mpeg2 Transport Streams to DVD spec with your app, it made it nice and easy.

[BBWoof]

Originally posted by jrmann1999
This is sort of off topic, but I wanted to verify that DoCCE4U is now not only used for DVD backup, using a simple bitrate calculator and some prep work I was able to transcode HDTV type Mpeg2 Transport Streams to DVD spec with your app, it made it nice and easy.

Fantastic.

If there is anything I can do to the app to make the prep work easier and it fits with the program's purpose, I'd be willing to add it.

BBWoof

[BBWoof]

Originally posted by 69Mws
I could do this after work (7 hours to go from now). I have at the moment a whole Season of "Friends" (German RC2) on my HD prepared for CCE encoding.

This material is definitely tff-interlaced and I'll send you one of the d2v-Files!

I also have two other german PAL movies (Forrest Gump & Enemy At The Gates) ready prepared on my HD. These two are progressive. Or do you need a d2v-File from a movie which is bff-interlaced (German RC2 of Natural Born Killers would be bff-interlaced)?

What's your mail address?

Greetz
69Mws

If you can send to docce4u@panthersden.com I'd much appreciate it.

Thanks.

BBWoof

[BBWoof]

Originally posted by d4g
ok i can send u one thats top field first i think...how can i determinine which is which in d2v

i need a detailed explanation thanx

That's what I'm trying to figure out. If I can't determine the tff setting from the d2v files, I'll have to resort to scanning the m2v file.

Send d2v files to docce4u@panthersden.com

BBWoof

P.S. Thanks for the help.

[hakko504]

Originally posted by hakko504
top/bottom field can be found from the .d2v file. Read Nic's explanation in this thread. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49423) 2's and 3's in the .d2v means topfirst video, 0's and 1's are bottom first.

[D3s7]

here's an interesting one... Just installed DoCCE4u and CCE 2.5 and now when I'm running it I get this error:

ERROR: Could not locate Open button on CCE File Open Dialog

I saw the "Open Dialog" in the preferences but it looks right to me (&Open)

[D3s7]

AAAh.. got it..

took off the & and now it's ok....

wierd

[baker]

BBwoof,
I posted a thread here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=292150 And I am not sure if your ignoring it or simply having seen it. to make sure its not the latter I am posting this here.

PLz give a response. :-)

Baker

[BBWoof]

Originally posted by baker
I posted a thread here http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=292150 And I am not sure if your ignoring it or simply having seen it. to make sure its not the latter I am posting this here.

I think I just posted a response to that question in the other thread.

BBWoof

[BBWoof]

Now available at http://docce4u.panthersden.com

1.0.0.9 Beta 4/11/03
* Added: Top field first checkbox. Hopefully this will help out PAL users as
they can now select to enable the Top field first value for each avs file.
Top field first preference will now be stored in the template when "Save as
template default" button is clicked.
* Changed: The way the program stores chapter points. Now stored as a CSV
string in the job registry key. The filename of the chapter list will no
longer be stored. If there is a filename in the chapter list edit box, the
program will reparse the file and replace the current chapter points.
* Changed: During the first part of a RoBa method encode, the mpv file is no
longer created, only the vaf file. This speeds up the first part.
* Added: Logging capabilities. Set to enable logging on the settings dialog.
* Added: Now at startup check the version of CCE installed, and if it's not
2.50 gives a warning about incompability.
* Added: Now at startup checks the version of avisynth.dll installed. If the
version is greater than 2.0.8.0 will give a warning about compatibility with
scripts created by DoItFast4U.

[Siku]

@BBWoof

Would it be possible to add a bitratecalculator for SVCD in DoCCE4U? I mean a bitratecalculator where you could select an audiobitrate and so on... well, you know. It would be very usefull add-on for people who make SVCDs.

Best regards,
Siku

[fxer80]

I was searching the forum but couldn't find any posts on the topic of new versions of CCE with DoCCE4U, will the newer, downloadable versions of CCE (like the 2.67 branch) be supported in the program? Thanks

-fxer

[BBWoof]

Originally posted by Siku
[BWould it be possible to add a bitratecalculator for SVCD in DoCCE4U? I mean a bitratecalculator where you could select an audiobitrate and so on... well, you know. It would be very usefull add-on for people who make SVCDs.
[/B]

Since I wrote this program to do things other than DVD I'll add that to my todo list.

BBWoof

[BBWoof]

Originally posted by fxer80
will the newer, downloadable versions of CCE (like the 2.67 branch) be supported in the program?

At some point I expect it to. When I get the basic functionality working I'll start working on it.

BBWoof

[Wardancer]

hi BBWoof ..
i'm one of the PAL encoders, and there is one problem, that isn't covered in your app .. and i'm just wondering, why no other PAL encoders are requesting such an Option: Wouldn't it be possible to add a simple Checkbox for setting the CCE-Encoding to Progressive or not Progressive Frames (best option would be if CCE4U would discover it itself).. i think that would simplify things .. i never ever used the top-field-first option in CCE 2.50 (as far as i know this one is broken though). So my whole problem is, that i can't use CCE4U without doing a decomb for interlaced source material ...
So I tink this is the option everyone is looking for, or am i wrong ??

Thanks ;)

[baker]

i asked him for this option and he seemed pretty willing and ready :D. so lets just hope for the best.

Baker

[ShaneZ]

Originally posted by baker
i asked him for this option and he seemed pretty willing and ready :D. so lets just hope for the best.

Baker

There is a TFF checkbox in DC4U 1.0.0.9 beta. It's already done.

http://docce4u.panthersden.com

:)

[baker]

yes but theres no interlace button!!!

Baker

[Wardancer]

no this is all about a progressive/interlaced option in CCE4U .. not a TFF option ... TFF is broken in CCE anyway ..

[baker]

broken?? how??

I havent actually got to se it yet!

Baker

[69Mws]

My experiences with PAL Interlaced Encoding with CCE, based on infos I got from this board:


Source is TFF-Interlaced:
- deactivate ZigZag Scanning (same effect as activating Alternate Scanning in version 2.66.01.07)
- DEactivate Upper Field First


Source is BFF-Interlaced:
- also deactivate ZigZag Scanning
- ACTIVATE Upper Field First


Sounds maybe weird, but it works 100%. Some call it a bug in CCE, others call it not a bug, instead saying CCE is handling Field Orders in another way that people may think, that's all. Whatever it is, I don't care as long as it works....and it does work :)

You can tell from having a look at DVD2AVI, whether your source is interlaced or not, but you can't recognize with the blank eye, whether it's bff or tff. Based on my experiences, bff is quite rare....

Maybe that helps some of you guys about the miracle of encoding interlaced material in CCE :)

From my point of view, the options for (de)activating ZigZag and Upper Field First need to be implemented in the DoCCE4U Interface, otherwise it's worthless for PAL interlaced stuff.

Maybe using FieldDeinterlace in the AVS Script may avoid all this PAL interlaced "problems", but I'm not sure of that, 'cause I didn't use FieldDeinterlace 'til now. I only heard that it should work quite well and doesn't slow down encoding very much.

BTW: BBWoof, were my project files of interlaced PAL material, that I sent you of any use somehow? :)

Greetz
69Mws

[Wardancer]

okay .. maybe we should end the discussion here and just try to get some more checkboxes into cce4u ;) ..
oh and btw .. i did my first FieldDeinterlace Encode yesterday, and i have to say: doesn't look bad, but: my enconding speed drops to about 2/3, of the normal encoding speed :( ...

[tomy601k]

Thanks for the new features BBWoof ... Deactivating "Upper Field
First" solved my problem with Extra's in PAL DVD's ... They looked shakey ... but now they r great ... Thanks again ... :D

Tomy.

[69Mws]

Little feature requests (hopefully little :) ):

- possibility to change the "Image Quality Priority"
- possibility to (de)activate ZigZag Scanning Order.

This Image Quality Priority setting is always 25 in the ecl-File.

I prefer a setting of 17 for DVD Reencoding.

I don't wanna start a discussion of what setting to use but it should be possible to change it via DoCCE4U.

The thing about ZigZag is interesting for PAL encoders, who have to deal with interlaced from time to time, but I think you know that already, just wanted to point it out again ;)

Could you do that, BBWoof? :)

Greetz
69Mws

[-=ViBeZ=-]

i too would like to see the option to disable zigzag scanning for PAl users :)

[Wardancer]

So checking Progressive Frames isn't that important for reencoding non progressive content ?? Maybe i didn't recognize that, cause i normaly disable progressive scan when doing a interlaced reencode... so the zigzag scan option is the option that makes the video shaky ??

[69Mws]

Originally posted by Wardancer
So checking Progressive Frames isn't that important for reencoding non progressive content ?? Maybe i didn't recognize that, cause i normaly disable progressive scan when doing a interlaced reencode... so the zigzag scan option is the option that makes the video shaky ??

Ups, you're right, unchecking "Progressive Frames" would also be nice, I also uncheck it for interlaced reencodes :)

[69Mws]

Uh, I got another one :)

When the CCEData from DIF4U is opened and you want to use another template (switching from "RoBa" to "Mutlipass VBR" for example), the bitrate settings from the CCEData.txt will be overwritten by the default settings of the specific template.

Maybe a check could be implemented to not overwrite the bitrates, after a DoCCE4U-Datafile was opened and the Template is changed.

Greetz
69Mws

[VerbaL]

An option to modify the Image Quality Priority would be nice indeed. Since ReAuthorist has this value setting, I guess it might be possible to pass that to DoCCE4U too?

I never realised this didn't happen until 69Mws posted the suggestion here :)

[-=ViBeZ=-]

I've also noticed that the bias setting doesnt get transfered from RA either. But I know that this is being worked on :)

[69Mws]

Just an idea:

With ECLCCE it's possible to load ecl Files into other CCE Versions, like 2.66.01.07 for example.

With this tool it's also no problem opening ecl Files saved by CCE 2.50.

In order to enhance ecl Support, ECLCCE has to be started and that launches CCE 2.66.01.07 with full ecl-support. It works very nice for me.

My idea would be to implement a line in the DoCCE4U Settings to point out to the eclcce.exe (just like the line that points to cce250.exe) in order to pass the data to CCE 2.66.01.07 as an alternative.

Greetz
69Mws