Encoding 4K HDR 4:2:0 10bit BT.2020

[musicvideos4k]

Do what? And, if anybody here knows how do do "it", why would that be a problem?
What?


At this stage it would seem that you just produce sentences with randomly chosen words. Again, you announced about 15 times that you would never post here again because nobody understands you, yet you keep posting your drivel and insults. You seem desperate to receive some validation for your colouring experiments but I can assure you that you won't get it here.

Oh shut up for once you always come to threads saying nothing but trolling people. Did you ever do something creative in your entire digital video life? NO, just threads with plugins. Get a life.

[Groucho2004]

Oh shut up for once you always come to threads saying nothing but trolling people. Did you ever do something creative in your entire digital video life? NO, just threads with plugins. Get a life.
I must have hit a nerve there... :cool:

[musicvideos4k]

I must have hit a nerve there... :cool:

Not really , im just having fun, you can't even realize that either.

Fact is people here always thinks they know everything or they "know" the perfect "blue" the perfect " balanced image " the perfect " HDR grading " they always know what's best.

But hey... they are nobody. And they don't know anything actually.

This guy kolak complaining about HDR and he didn't know TVs HDR are SDR.

The other guy complaining about blue HUE on Avatar Creature.

Then comes you the clown that never does anything interesting at all. Anyway, it's really funny actually.

[kolak]

BUT WAIT, if the FOX guys tones the BLUE as they like , then it will be PERFECT, right? Because that's how you think. A little self respect.




This is the part which you don't get. During grading session with director final look is decided and this the way how movie should look like on every TV/cinema etc. If later in the time technology changes then (if there is money) they repeat process again and do new version e.g. HDR which is approved by the director.

You can create million of other looks, but they are all wrong- do you get it? This is the reason why people complain when they see noticeable difference between cinema and eg. Blu-ray version. They expect all version to match cinema which is most likely closest to what director intended due to controlled environment.

[musicvideos4k]

This is the part which you don't get. During grading session with director final look is decided and this the way how movie should look like on every TV/cinema etc. If later in the time technology changes then (if there is money) they repeat process again and do new version e.g. HDR which is approved by the director.

You can create million of other looks, but they are all wrong- do you get it? This is the reason why people complain when they see noticeable difference between cinema and eg. Blu-ray version. They expect all version to match cinema which is most likely closest to what director intended due to controlled environment.

Yes and that's why you don't get it. I don't care AT ALL about the director, because im not the director. I want to be creative and if you like it or not then it's not my issue, other people do likes it, it happens with anything. Some people likes it, some hates it and some vomits on it.

Who cares about the directors? I do it for my pleasure and if it someday someone gets interested, then good. If not, then good too.

Because im having fun with what i like. That's the difference with you and me and the other guy with the perfect blue for avatar creatures.

And there's no blue color for CINEMA. CINEMA can be IMAX or even HDR soon. WTF are you talking about man. GOD.

The guy with the perfect blue is not gonna do anything interesting in his entire life, and i can bet on it.

[kolak]

Not really , im just having fun, you can't even realize that either.

Fact is people here always thinks they know everything or they "know" the perfect "blue" the perfect " balanced image " the perfect " HDR grading " they always know what's best.

But hey... they are nobody. And they don't know anything actually.

This guy kolak complaining about HDR and he didn't know TVs HDR are SDR.

The other guy complaining about blue HUE on Avatar Creature.

Then comes you the clown that never does anything interesting at all. Anyway, it's really funny actually.


I've seen masters on 4K nits screen. It's you who grades to 10K but watches SDR versions of it on your 700nits TV. And you talk about HDR mastering (it's not grading definitely) if you can't even see 1:1 results of your work? Fact that madVR can process it further means nothing- you have not seen a proper HDR image of your masters as you have no HDR TV, so please stop telling everyone about HDR amazing look.
Go to one of the shows (NAB, IBC) where you can actually see 4K nits TV and how HDR master looks like. Maybe after this you will stop making your HDR masters with 7K average light, which would be unwatchable at 1:1.
And stop talking about Rec.2020 gamut as your masters are Rec.709+ some interpolated colors, which has NOT MUCH to do with image which really covers Rec.2020 gamut.

[musicvideos4k]

I've seen masters on 4K nits screen. It's you who grades to 10K but watches SDR versions of it on your 700nits TV. And you talk about HDR mastering (it's not grading definitely) if you can't even see result of your work? Fact that madVR can process it further means nothing- you have not seen a proper HDR image of your masters as you have no HDR TV, so please stop telling everyone about HDR amazing look.
Go to one of the show (NAB, IBC) where you can actually see 4K nits TV and how HDR master looks like. Maybe after this you will stop making your HDR master with 7K average light, which would be unwatchable at 1:1.

No you didn't see anything. "Masters" of what? made by who? The GODS?

"Masters" are done by people. Not Gods. They can be wrong too. And there's no standards for coloring at all. Something can be blue less blue more blue... A LOT BLUE. There's no limits on being creative, MORE when you have BT. 2020 gamut to work on.

Then you talk about my work and you have never seen any native stream.

I think you have issues.

[kolak]

It's really irrelevant what was on the screen and how it was graded (even total crap, which it wasn't), but it was real P3 gamut and real 4K nits peaks, not your 700. Get it? It's about experience of seeing 4K nits peaks and overall such a bright screen.

Yes, that's why it's directors decision to stop at some point. Otherwise it could be endless process of changing it. It's artistic process )only in some aspects technical) and it meant to help story and movie to sell and give nice/unique feel.

I can't see your 1:1 work as I have no 10K display and I don't want to get blind :)

[musicvideos4k]

It's really irrelevant what was on the screen and how it was graded (even total crap, which it wasn't), but it was real P3 gamut and real 4K nits peaks, not your 700. Get it?

And you are able to distinguish real P3 Gamut from 2020? Are you god? Can you please tell me who is gonna win the next world cup, i need your help.

What 700? I have never did any 700 video. You are amazing. I want to be like you.

[musicvideos4k]

and it meant to help story and movie to sell and give nice/unique feel.

I can't see your 1:1 work as I have no 10K display and I don't want to get blind :)

nice unique feel because ? feel from who ? The director ? Directors most of time do crap and how you explain that ?

See why you are some kid in his room trying to believe he knows anything at all?

[kolak]

Forget about Rec.2020- this is just a theory for now and has not much to do with screens. They are no near there. If you had one then you should be able to see differences if colors would be from edges of Rec.2020. Your eye can see it.
If I can't see then what is the point for your to expand gamut to Rec.2020 in your amazing process? Make your mind.

[kolak]

nice unique feel because ? feel from who ? The director ? Directors most of time do crap and how you explain that ?

See why you are some kid in his room trying to believe he knows anything at all?

Because it's director's movie and someone has to make final decision. It's irrelevant if it's to blue or red or look to contrast etc.
It's not like every movie has to be punchy, contrasty. Some may be very desaturated, low contrast or even black an white. You think that huge range, contrast and a lot of saturation is what every movie needs. Have you seen Saving Private Ryan? Have you seen that clouds there are not blue but almost like grey?

If you want to play with look, shoot your now movie, grade it and master and then show us :) Then you can keep saying this is the best look as you will have right to say so :)

[musicvideos4k]

Forget about Rec.2020- this is just a theory for now and has not much to do with screens. They are no near there. If you had one then you should be able to see differences if colors would be from edges of Rec.2020. Your eye can see it.
If I can't see then what is the point for your to expand gamut to Rec.2020 in your amazing process? Make your mind. you do something which is pointless anyway (actually in your case it's pointless).

See why you get deeper into the oblivion of incoherent knowledge?

How you will be able to see "REAL P3" or even "REAL 2020" when TV's comes with nanocrystals or super chips to expand color and make it more "NICE"? See why you know nothing?

TV's do things to change color output for your enjoyment, or close. Means? They change the output to the display super nicer color processing, on EVERY TV one color is not the same as on the other. On OLEDs one color is not the same as on SUHD's. On SUHD's one color is not the same as on LG's IPS XXX model with their revolutionary image processing.

On Sony ? Well here we go deeper. Colors look completely different too. And we move on to the next?

YOU KNOW NOTHING, you can't distingish ANY gamut because every display shows it different with their respective technologies for color output.

One color is not the same color here and there. Tomorrow you get another color reproduction technology and today's TV's look different, worse? better? nobody cares.

There's no director that can manage to know how it will look on every single display with every single technology and panel/chipset for post processing the color.

I knew i was going to get you right here , and i did it. You are nobody.

[kolak]

This just shows that you know nothing about grading and color accurate monitoring.

It's irrelevant how TV "creates" colors. Different technologies are developed to make possible to display more an more colors (until we hit all what eye can see). TVs may do tons of processing but at the end they display final image which goes to the eyes and can be measured.

TVs changing colors? What are you talking about? TVs meant to display colors from either Rec.709 or now P3 color space, but because they are home screens (some very cheap) they are very inconsistent. Only good ones can be calibrated to actually have accurate color reproduction.
This is the bit which you totally don't get and understand. You should ideally buy high-end TV, calibrate it to P3 gamut assuming it can get there (don't ever use out of box settings, turn off all dynamic crap and enhancement). Once you validated that your TV hits P3 with quite decent accuracy then if you had a P3 master from studio you would see it very close to how director saw it during grading session on reference TV/projector. It's not going to be 100%, but very close. This is the whole point of grading and working to a standard (and having good calibrated TV). Got it?
In real world this is screwed as most TV can't even hit Rec.709, their default settings or totally wrong etc. But there are people who care, they buy good TVs, calibrate them, so (within TV limitations) they can see video as it was intended to look. Go it?
Other place is cinema. Cinemas are much better controlled (compared to peoples TVs), projectors are calibrated, masters are accurate and high quality, so this is the best what audience can see. Good cinema should give you the same look as director saw it during final grading. Got it?

Do you actually know what TV calibration is? It's irrelevant what technology TV uses to "create" colors, once you calibrate it (different TV have different abilities for very rough or accurate calibration) to eg. Rec.709 then it displays colors from this color space and "doesn't change any colors". You can measure it and validate- have you heard about probes for calibration?
Once you validated it's accurate it will stay like this- it will drift a bit over time, so you need to re-calibrate it. If you have master calibrated to Rec.709 colors are displayed accurately as there is 1:1 match. If TV is not calibrated then you have wrong image. You can't display P3 master on Rec.709 TV as it will be very inaccurate and oversaturated. Got it? Some TVs may have better blacks, better screen uniformity etc. so video will look slightly different, but at least red will be red on all calibrated TVs, not e.g. orange.

That's why studios use reference TVs (proiectors for film work as they really mainly care about cinemas) which are calibrated and validated with color probes regularly. So no, director doesn't know how movie look at every home, but he knows how it will look at cinemas and at homes where people have good TVs which are calibrated. He knows at least this. Rest of the people (looks like including you) have TVs set to dynamic mode, etc, so this is wildness :)

This still doesn't change fact that you need standard and reference TVs as otherwise you would have real mess. TVs may be far from perfect, but at least they are made to same standard, so by average all TVs offset each other- some to blue, some to red etc where master is in the middle. Without this you could have crazy blue masters (if director worked to crap TV) and if your TV happened to be very blue overall you would end up with unwatchable image. Got it?
This is why studios pay 20K$ for reference TVs or way more for good projectors.

So please stop this nonsense about perfection and amazingness of your HDR "up conversion" as there are many weak points in this process, with most important- your viewing setup. Also, stop insulting people from this forum as you use their processing/filters etc. madVR was created by guy "from" here and with forum help and input, so make your mind. You either respect them or insult. By doing both at the same time you make yourself looking stupid to the power of 10K nits :)

[musicvideos4k]

And you wrote all that copy pasted walltext saying nothing but the same incoherent oblivion. Yet again? Directora cant know how every cinema looks like in the entire world. Calibration is based on the tools, panels, light, size, reflections, panel types, you have got infinite calibrations and scenarios where image will be always different. Also the people can interpret colors one way and your tiny brain another, such as what looks good, or bad.

You dont know anything. And Save Private Ryan can look súper colorful on oleds, like crap on ips panels and flat on a cheap cinema.

I have every panel calibrated even by 10 point.

You dont like how tv changes colors? You watch without every single improvement? You watch movies in pc chroma 444? Then why you buy a 4k hdr tv?

Get lost.

[kolak]

You dont know anything. And Save Private Ryan can look súper colorful on oleds, like crap on ips panels and flat on a cheap cinema.


Get lost.
After your 10K HDR mastering, dynamic mode and saturation at 110% :)

Sorry, but you totally discredited yourself by saying this.

Here is even better one- it can look black and white!!!

Nothing more needs to be said.
:goodpost:

[musicvideos4k]

After your 10K HDR mastering, dynamic mode and saturation at 110% :)

Sorry, but you totally discredited yourself by saying this.

Here is even better one- it can look black an white!!!

Nothing more needs to be said.
:goodpost:

At the end you finally got it! Exactly, it can look black and white too, when somebody calibrates their TV to black and white because they just love it.

You really think you are superior to the point that you claim i watch red as orange.

Nothing more to be said, exactly. You said you hate how TV's change color, dynamic modes and so on full of incoherent kid with issues crap , but there we have you on a HDR topic talking about super dolby 10K nits watching experiences. You are nobody lol.

[Asmodian]

BUT WAIT, if the FOX guys tones the BLUE as they like , then it will be PERFECT, right? Because that's how you think. A little self respect.

Movies are toned in BT. 2020 , you can setup DCI-P3 or even use any TV color reproduction and it will look just fine.

What is the point of calibrating a display if not to match colors? The entire idea of standards such as P3 or BT.2020 is to have every color be the same on every screen and under every viewing condition, this is impossible but the intent is to get as close as technically possible.

Sure, people are happy to watch video with amazingly off color, it "looks just fine", but as soon as your blue is a different blue you are not matching DCI-P3 so why mention it as if you were following the standard?

[musicvideos4k]

What is the point of calibrating a display if not to match colors? The entire idea of standards such as P3 or BT.2020 is to have every color be the same on every screen and under every viewing condition, this is impossible but the intent is to get as close as technically possible.

Sure, people are happy to watch video with amazingly off color, it "looks just fine", but as soon as your blue is a different blue you are not matching DCI-P3 so why mention it as if you were following the standard?

Basically because what you say it's not blue on my streams, IT IS. It's blue, the red is red and the green is green, the yellow is yellow and so on.

Basically you are saying the colors are not calibrated because FOX didn't tone it but me.

And that makes you a complete incoherent person... did you figure out yet? Do you want me to show you the color picking palette for every toned blue, red, orange, yellow, green on my stream? Every color fits and exactly where it belongs, Sky, Grass, Trees, People skin, sun, water, ANYTHING looking correct palette. The problem is not my stream is you.

And calibration of displays it not mandatory either. If you watch my streams on a calibrated display it will look " calibrated " and just FINE. If you watch it with normal TV presets ( OFF ) it will also look fine like any other movie from studios which are playback on non calibrated TV presets. The same.

So, the problem is not what i do, the problem is basically your incoherent personality.

[Asmodian]

You have a very casual relationship to video. That is fine, most people do too, that is why "Vivid" modes exist in the first place. Just know that others aren't so casual and after paying attention to calibration details for years your videos look very "wrong" to us. I am very used to my displays following the standards very closely so when something is way outside them it looks off to me.

You cannot say they don't look wrong to me for the same reason I cannot say it is wrong for you to like it more, as you say the point is to have it look good to the viewer.

I am not sure what an incoherent personality is or why accusing me of having one could be used as an argument for your encoding method.

[Blue_MiSfit]

This thread has derailed into an uncivilized mess. I'm closing it. Please open a new thread if you want to continue discussion on encoding 4K HDR using 10 bit 4:2:0 HEVC and BT.2020.