HEVC coming to devices

[James Freeman]

Congrats on being the official 4K BluRay codec.

Cheers !!

[Thunderbolt8]

^^so will there be specifications for interlaced content again?

[nevcairiel]

^^so will there be specifications for interlaced content again?

There already is. But thats more for broadcasters than for optical media. They allow 4K@60 on the 4K Blu-ray, no need to use interlacing to get to that temporal resolution anymore, so they can just shove progressive on there. Discs usually have enough space, bandwidth is no concern there. ;)

[xooyoozoo]

It seems like we can add the new iPhone to the list of HEVC playback devices. The iPhone 6's specs indicate HEVC decode + encode capability. Unfortunately, level support is not listed, and Apple has a history of poor initial implementations of codec features.

[Blue_MiSfit]

^^ That's huge news. That means OTT services like Netflix can start actually using HEVC in DASH as a real delivery option with tangible improvements over AVC in HLS or Smooth Streaming - one that will actually have a huge population of potential users.

[Kurtnoise]

It seems like we can add the new iPhone to the list of HEVC playback devices. The iPhone 6's specs indicate HEVC decode + encode capability.
Except for FaceTime, I don't see anything else relative to HEVC...or I missed something ?

[xooyoozoo]

Except for FaceTime, I don't see anything else relative to HEVC...or I missed something ?

HEVC FaceTime would indicate a mobile device being able to do realtime simultaneous HEVC encode & decode with at least 720p30. Fixed-function hardware is basically a guarantee here, especially as their new SoC comes with a huge transistor count boost. (Edit: huh, a 20nm commercial design can decode 10bit 4K 120fps with 0.5 mm^2 die area (http://ovics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ViC-1-ProdBrief-2014-011.pdf). )

I guess the the question mark is whether the capability will be accessible to 3rd parties (my search through dev docs currently says no), but I'm optimistic and hope that it'd all be a part of a future iTunes TV/Movies push alongside a future iPad/AppleTV/whatever.

And I certainly wouldn't mind having a home server be able to stream x265-transcodes to my phone for when I'm on the road.

[Kurtnoise]

I guess the the question mark is whether the capability will be accessible to 3rd parties (my search through dev docs currently says no), but I'm optimistic and hope that it'd all be a part of a future iTunes TV/Movies push alongside a future iPad/AppleTV/whatever.

Yeah...I guess so. I didn't try yet VLC for iOS but maybe this would be doable with that.

[benwaggoner]

^^so will there be specifications for interlaced content again?
Do you have a citation for that? I couldn't find it on Apple's page.

[benwaggoner]

There already is. But thats more for broadcasters than for optical media. They allow 4K@60 on the 4K Blu-ray, no need to use interlacing to get to that temporal resolution anymore, so they can just shove progressive on there. Discs usually have enough space, bandwidth is no concern there. ;)
Also, I've never heard of anyone considering* the use of interlaced for >1080p content. UHD should be a progressive only paradise.

* And we should threaten anyone who suggests otherwise with those zombie-killing baseball bats with bent nails shoved through them. And glower.

[iwod]

I wonder if the new video and picture captured in iPhone 6 are HEVC? I really wish the HEVC movement could start sooner rather then later, We have been stuck with H.264 Basic or Main Profile for far too long.

Another thing, WHY ANOTHER GOD DAMN Profile fragmentation, we have version 2 of HEVC..........

[pandy]

^^so will there be specifications for interlaced content again?

AFAIR both (i.e. H.265 and UHD) standards assume only support for progressive - interlace can be supported indirectly only - i.e. back to MPEG-1 times.

[Kurtnoise]

Android 5.0 lollipop will have also support for HEVC (http://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/)...

[benwaggoner]

Android 5.0 lollipop will have also support for HEVC (http://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/)...
Do we know what this entails?

API level support for HEVC HW decoders when available, or also a fallback SW HEVC decoder?

[Kurtnoise]

Do we know what this entails?

API level support for HEVC HW decoders when available, or also a fallback SW HEVC decoder?
Software decoder based (http://www.ittiam.com/News/en/Press-releases/2014/162-Ittiam%E2%80%99s-H265-Software-Solution-Enables-HEVC-Support-in-Android%E2%80%99s-Lollipop-Release.aspx) I would say...but this is a press release.

[xooyoozoo]

A Windows director tweeted (https://twitter.com/GabeAul/status/528401061779107841) that Win10 will have built-in HEVC decode.

[xooyoozoo]

Build 9841 (6 weeks old) of Windows 10 has native playback for HEVC Main and Main10 profile in MP4 container. I'm currently downloading the update which supposedly adds MKV container support.

I'm using a VM, so it wouldn't make sense to do speed comparisons myself, but I wonder how optimized the decoder is compared to LAV's.

[LigH]

Don't underestimate VMs; I got a faster memory benchmark inside a VM than on the hosting PC, using VirtualBox and Everest... :scared:

[pieter3d]

I wonder if the new video and picture captured in iPhone 6 are HEVC? I really wish the HEVC movement could start sooner rather then later, We have been stuck with H.264 Basic or Main Profile for far too long.

Another thing, WHY ANOTHER GOD DAMN Profile fragmentation, we have version 2 of HEVC..........

I believe they use HEVC encode only for facetime at the moment. It's highly unlikely their first gen hardware HEVC encoder can support 1080p60 at the quality they want.

[mandarinka]

This is interesting (from Qualcomm presetnation linked in this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1700739&postcount=499)). They actually state no Main 10 support (as opposed to the rest of industry that is conveniently ambiguous).

http://i.imgur.com/F6bHk20.png (http://imgur.com/F6bHk20)

[LigH]

Still a bit confusing (if you did not read the whole article, I guess): What's the difference between "check mark" and "green background"?

[mandarinka]

The checkmark apparently means "in hardware" or hardware-accelerated, since in some cases, there is a "SW" (presumably meaning software decoder) filled in. What do the numbered notes mean I dunno, they were not explained in the slide sadly.

[LigH]

I am mainly confused by "cross on green" vs. "cross on grey"; the latter clearly means "not supported", but the former?!

[mandarinka]

Oh, that. Well, I guess it's just error.

[SeeMoreDigital]

What... There doesn't appear to be any support for MPEG-1!!!

EDIT: How am I going to play my 'huge' collection of VCD back-ups?

[LigH]

Does that still exist?! ;) ;) ... I guess there may be a VLC or other libav using player for mobile devices, if you are able to install it.

[Parabola]

What... There doesn't appear to be any support for MPEG-1!!!

EDIT: How am I going to play my 'huge' collection of VCD back-ups?

I think I'm right in saying that MPEG-1 is a subset of MPEG-2 (i.e. any conforming MPEG-2 decoder can also handle MPEG-1). My knowledge is rusty here though - and I'm showing my age!

- John

[LigH]

Not exactly. Just the AR issue as prominent example: MPEG-2 video supports only 4 of 16 bit combinations (1:1 SAR + 3 generic DARs), while MPEG-1 video has a bunch of specific SARs (deskewing ratios) instead. And I am not sure if there are differences in the stream details as well... apart from different usual sector sizes of Program Streams.

[Ars92]

Damn,i really thought the 615 is able to decode 2160p30 at least. So i guess i will need to wait for the fireTV 3 to upgrade from my current one to get 4k HEVC support. Not a big deal though as the whole of next year might be when digital content FINALLY start being available in 4k....as there are barely any now.

Sent from my SM-N910C using Tapatalk

[SeeMoreDigital]

From what I understand Amlogic have released an S812-H quad-core chip-set that's able to play 4K h.265 under Android 4.4...

Has anybody received a test sample unit fitted with one of theses or ordered one?

[pandy]

Not exactly. Just the AR issue as prominent example: MPEG-2 video supports only 4 of 16 bit combinations (1:1 SAR + 3 generic DARs), while MPEG-1 video has a bunch of specific SARs (deskewing ratios) instead. And I am not sure if there are differences in the stream details as well... apart from different usual sector sizes of Program Streams.

Yep but core remains same - DCT so there is possible to translate syntax on the fly and use a hardware.

[mandarinka]

http://devgurus.amd.com/message/1306991#1306837

(AMD) APUs and dGPUs scheduled for release in 2015 will have support for 4K Encoding & Decoding as well as H.265 decoding.

[Kurtnoise]

Impressive list of all supported format (http://www.samsungdforum.com/Tizen/Spec) from Tizen-based Samsung TVs...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Impressive list of all supported format (http://www.samsungdforum.com/Tizen/Spec) from Tizen-based Samsung TVs...Indeed... Although the quoted 'Bit Rates' seem low :confused:

[benwaggoner]

Indeed... Although the quoted 'Bit Rates' seem low :confused:
For MJPEG, maybe. But they're ample for HEVC. Main Tier Main Level 5.1 (2160p60) only goes up to 40 Mbps.

[SeeMoreDigital]

For MJPEG, maybe. But they're ample for HEVC. Main Tier Main Level 5.1 (2160p60) only goes up to 40 Mbps.20Mbps for VC-1 and MPEG-2 is too low for playing any of my Blu-ray.mkv contained back-ups. And MVC appears to be listed within that section too :eek:

[benwaggoner]

20Mbps for VC-1 and MPEG-2 is too low for playing any of my Blu-ray.mkv contained back-ups. And MVC appears to be listed within that section too :eek:
I'd be surprised if the device actually refuses to play back >20 Mbps for all 1080p content!

Generally those bitrates mean "using the most difficult to decode streams we could find, we successfully tested up to this bitrate." Blu-ray compatible streams have additional complexity constraints applied which makes the worse case easier to decode.

Given it can also decode 80 Mbps full 4K H.264, the horsepower is there in spades.

I don't know how well vetted the list is anyway, given they misspelled "Sorenson" :).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Agreed... Hopefully it's just a poorly configured chart.

[pieter3d]

Given it can also decode 80 Mbps full 4K H.264, the horsepower is there in spades.


That could be due to dedicated H.264 hardware though, so that wouldn't help any other codecs.

[benwaggoner]

AMD just announced HEVC decoder support in thier new mobile platform:



http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/25/amd-carrizo-processor/

[jkauff]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9021/imagination-announces-powervr-g6020-gpu-powervr-series-5-video-encoder

Sounds great, but no consumer products expected for 10-12 months.

[LigH]

"Ultra-affordable" ... heh ... let's hope they will come with exchangeable batteries. Or will such devices boost the request for USB recharge packs?

[vivan]

Why? For mobile they suggest E5505, which does 4Kp30 / 4:2:0 and this is what last year mobile phones do.
E5800 does 4Kp60 / 4:2:2, and it's targeted at cameras. Guess having twice TDP there is not a big deal.

[hi3516a]

The mdediacodec lib in Android 5.0 SDK support HW and SW encoding of HEVC

[benwaggoner]

Windows 10 also includes HEVC SW decode, plus support for HW GPU decode via DXVA.

Lots of mobile chipsets can do at least 8-bit 1080p. I just tried a HEVC file in my 2014 KIndle Fire HDX 8.9, and it worked like a charm. Snapdragon 8084 w/ Adreno 420.


-Ben Waggoner (via TapaTalk)

[sneaker_ger]

Leaked Snapdragon 820 specs suggest HEVC 10 bit decoding ability.

http://www.ixbt.com/short/images/2015/Aug/sd-820-01.jpg

[vivan]

Nice, so now basically every upcoming flagship SoC supports 10-bit HEVC.

[sneaker_ger]

Better than Skylake. :p
They should have never specified 8 bit HEVC in the first place. Too much fragmentation.

[NikosD]

Windows 10 also includes HEVC SW decode, plus support for HW GPU decode via DXVA.

-Ben Waggoner (via TapaTalk)

It seems that Microsoft at 10240 build of Win 10, decided to enable HEVC SW decoder on very specific systems which fulfill unknown requirements, probably regarding to WDDM 2.0 drivers and AVX2 extensions.

Also, HEVC HW is only available using D3D11 video acceleration and not DXVA2, along with MediaFoundation framework.

The result of this combination makes HEVC HW useless, because WMP (the only available MediaFoundation player , can't use it due to EVR restriction - EVR is incompatible with D3D11 VA.

A not so good score of Win 10, yet.

[sneaker_ger]

I think it's too early for a final conclusion on the Microsoft HEVC decoder topic.

[Motenai Yoda]

WMP (the only available MediaFoundation player , can't use it due to EVR restriction - EVR is incompatible with D3D11 VA.
Nop there is also the Movies app

btw I'm with sneaker_ger

[NikosD]

Nop there is also the Movies app

btw I'm with sneaker_ger

You obviously don't have Win 10 installed and you have never tried even older versions of this app in Win 8.x

That app is called "Movies & TV" in Win 10, it's the older "Video" movie from Xbox ported to Win 8.x and of course it uses EVR only.

So, your comment didn't add anything useful.

BTW, I'm with me.

Because when you buy Win 10 right here, right now you don't have support of HEVC - the way I described it in my previous post.

I can't predict the future if Microsoft fixes the bug - if it's a bug - or changes its mind regarding broader HEVC support.

[vood007]

from http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_install/has-microsoft-playready-3-broken-windows-10-hevc/8a17d615-5d0d-410d-8d18-6e951f108d11?auth=1

about HEVC in Win10 RTM:

Initially we included HEVC (H.265) software decode in Windows 10 pre-release for Windows for PC and phone. We made a late decision to limit HEVC support to devices that had hardware support. As HEVC is very computationally complex, this will provide a more consistent experience.

Although there are limited devices in the market today with HEVC hardware support (e.g., NVidia GTX960), this is likely to change soon.

The list of supported codecs for Windows 10 can be found here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/xaml/mt282148.aspx.

[NikosD]

Thank you very much for the link.

What a stupid answer!

They enable HEVC even in hybrid systems like mine with iGPU HD4600 and they don't enable it for example to Sandy Core i7 or Ivy Core i7 which can decode HEVC in SW a lot faster than I can do it with HD4600.

Also if they cared so much about HW decoding of HEVC, they should provide a DXVA2 decoder or at least a D3D11 DirectShow decoder.

Instead of that, they provide only HW acceleration for MediaFoundation and D3D11.

Non sense.

[Zebulon84]

I guess with only HW decode they don't have the same patents issues : it's paid by the hardware manufacturer, while they would have to pay the patents if it was decoded by software.

[Motenai Yoda]

I don't get if they enable both hw and sw hevc decoder or only the hw decoder, if so how u can decode it with your hd4600?

the feeds thing is a good point IIRC was yet suggested

[sneaker_ger]

if so how u can decode it with your hd4600?
There has to be a DXVA decoder available, not necessarily pure ASIC like Nvidia GTX 960. Intel, AMD and Nvidia offer hybrid (software on CPU and GPU) decoders for some GPUs (hd4600). Windows does not distinguish between ASIC and hybrid. At least that's how I understand it.

[NikosD]

I don't get if they enable both hw and sw hevc decoder or only the hw decoder, if so how u can decode it with your hd4600?


When Win 10 detects a DXVA HEVC decoder device (Video accelerator for HEVC) it allows the use of MS MFT HEVC decoder in both modes - SW and HW.

The MS MFT HEVC decoder is both a SW and HW decoder.

For my HD 4600, Intel's drivers install - as sneaker_ger already posted - a HW accelerator which is a hybrid one and it works with GPU shaders.

It doesn't matter if you have a hybrid or pure HW HEVC decoder, I can use the MS MFT HEVC decoder normally.

BUT for me and everyone else on this planet, even one with a pure HW HEVC decoder like 960 GTX, is impossible to use the HW acceleration of MS MFT HEVC decoder in real playback.

Because it uses D3D11 and not DXVA2 and MediaFoundation instead of DirectShow.

The HW acceleration of MS MFT HEVC decoder is useful only for benchmarking with DXVA Checker in "Decode Benchmark" mode which is a renderless mode.

[nussman]

You keep on telling this, but I still can Not believe it.
Why they should make an decoder that can not Be used for playback?
Maybe there is a bug somewhere but I am sure playback will work with MediaFoundation player ...

[NikosD]

Because they are believers like you.

They believe that someone will build that MediaFoundation player that could work with D3D11, because MS players don't.

I suggest you to stop believing and do some tests instead.

[nussman]

We will see ...
Seems like you believe in DXVA Checker, but Decoders are not built for this useful tool only.

[NikosD]

Never mind...You don't know what I'm talking about, but you had the courage to admit it in my thread that you don't understand a word of what I'm saying.

That's good.

But if you don't understand something and you are interested in that, it would be better to read about it before you say your opinion.

[nussman]

Still don't know how you figured out that HEVC Decoder is not using DXVA2?
Maybe you can try to explain it once again?

[NikosD]

Because it's a D3D11 decoder only.

You can see that using DXVA Checker and the D3D11 modes under the MS MFT HEVC decoder.

The next DXVA Checker version will have more detailed attributes for the decoders, displaying DXVA modes supported even without checking the file - for MFT decoders.

DirectShow decoders are all DXVA2 only.

[hajj_3]

AMD's newer gpu's are getting hardware decode support for HEVC on linux soon: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=VDPAU-HEVC-AMDGPU

Intel's HD 530 gpu which is in their new skylake processors has full hardware decode of hevc now: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/4 Intel's gpu also has partial hardware support for decoding VP9 video (using programmable shaders). We will likely get full hardware encode/decode support for VP9 in their 2016 intel chips which are currently codenamed Kaby Lake and will still use the 14nm process.

[hi3516a]

I copy some specification here:

HEVC H.265 encoding board
Video Input HDMI 1.4a,HDCP 1.4
Ethernet 10M/100M/1000M Base
Compression H.264/MJPEG/H.265
Resolution 1080P(1920×1080)/720P(1280×720)/D1(704×576)/VGA(640*480)/QVGA(32
0×240)
Frame Rate Main Stream 1920×1080(1 ~ 60fps), 1280×720(1 ~ 60fps)
Sub Stream D1/VGA/QVGA(1 ~ 60fps)
Bit Rate 32KB ~16Mbps, support VBR, CBR
Data Storage Video record, Picture format
Network Protocol RTSP、HTTP、DHCP
Audio io Mic & Speaker
Video Out Buffered CVBS
UART 3
USB 4
SD CARD 1
SPI 1
4G Module(Option) U8300W(USB I/F, support LTE-TDD, LTE-FDD, TD-SCDMA, UMTS, EVDO,
EDGE, GPRS, GSM, CDMA)
WIFI Module(Option) RL-UM02SP(USB I/F, 2.4G/5.8G, 802.11n 2XMIMO)
I Video Server Support
Power Supply DC7~17V
Power Consumption <4W
Working Environment -20°C~+55°C , Less than 90% RH
Dimensions 74 x 77 mm

[SeeMoreDigital]

Out of interest, has anybody here got a media playback device fitted with a Sigma Designs SMP8756/8 ARM A/V decoding chip-set?

Cheers

[pieter3d]

Neat, I guess. Can you encode some clips with it and post them here? Will be interesting to see what HEVC tools it actually supports.

[NikosD]

It's confirmed that Skylake supports 8K HEVC 8bit decoding in HW here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1737321#post1737321) and the first BluRay 4K is out from Samsung, supporting 10bit HEVC and HDR.

You can read more here (http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/213396-samsung-launches-first-the-worlds-first-4k-blu-ray-player)

[benwaggoner]

It's confirmed that Skylake supports 8K HEVC 8bit decoding in HW here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1737321#post1737321) and the first BluRay 4K is out from Samsung, supporting 10bit HEVC and HDR.

You can read more here (http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/213396-samsung-launches-first-the-worlds-first-4k-blu-ray-player)

Not quite yet on UHD Blu-ray:
"The player should hit US shores in early 2016 and cost “under $500,” though we don’t have an exact price yet."

It's remarkable how much of a lead OTT services have had over optical and broadcast for UHD and now HDR. Netflix, Amazon and others launched streaming-to-SmartTV UHD in 2014. And Amazon launched streaming HDR in June this year.

[sneaker_ger]

Looks like upcoming (new) Amazon Fire TV will have HEVC main10, though limited to 2160p30.

[smok3]

adobe also blurped something about HEVC (in upcoming cloudy premiere)
http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2015/09/premiere-pro-cc-ibc.html

[smok3]

adobe also blurped something about HEVC (in upcoming cloudy premiere)
http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2015/09/premiere-pro-cc-ibc.html

And it is here, seems more than just good (and the "good" preset is also surprisingly fast). Any clues who is behind this one?

[benwaggoner]

And it is here, seems more than just good (and the "good" preset is also surprisingly fast). Any clues who is behind this one?
There are no hints about encoder vendor that MediaInfo could find.

In my quick initial test, it didn't have the "feel" of x265, at least now how I configure it. Controls are similar to the Main Concept codecs in the Adobe suite, but no 2-pass or quality-limited encoding.

It writes out the intermediate video file as .mkv before muxing into .mp4, which is odd.

[sneaker_ger]

Looks like Nvidia will release a refresh of the mobile Geforce GTX 965M based on GM206 in early 2016, i.e. it should have the same HEVC capabilities as the GTX 950 and GTX 960. (main and main10 profile, 4kp60 decoding) Official announcement during CES Las Vegas. (source (German) (http://www.notebookcheck.com/Nvidia-Update-der-Geforce-GTX-965M-Ti-Anfang-2016.155377.0.html))

[hajj_3]

adobe premiere pro got h265 editing support added in the latest update (CC 2015.1 9.1.0) which was released on dec 1st.

[sneaker_ger]

I just noticed the Samsung UBD-K8500 UltraHD Blu-Ray player's manual lists HEVC Main 4:2:2 10 profile compatibility which is unexpected.

[benwaggoner]

I just noticed the Samsung UBD-K8500 UltraHD Blu-Ray player's manual lists HEVC Main 4:2:2 10 profile compatibility which is unexpected.
I have one of those players. I'll try to make a test stream and validate playback.

Not that any human being can resolve >4:2:0 at 3840x2160p. That's the same color detail as 1080p 4:4:4!

[GrandAdmiralThrawn]

I just tried 10-bit HEVC decoding on Win10, MPC-HC x64, Skylake platforms.

Interestingly, HD Graphics 520 seems to support MAIN10 via DXVA2, while HD Graphics 515 doesn't, despite having the same amount of shaders and only a very slightly lower clock rate.

HD Graphics 520 in DXVAChecker:

http://wp.xin.at/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/elitebook820g3-dxvachecker-hd520.png

And here is HD Graphics 515 (Core m5-6Y54) with missing MAIN10 support:

http://wp.xin.at/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/elite-x2-1012-g1-dxvachecker-hd515.png

Frankly, I don't quite understand the difference between DXVA2 and DXVA2/D3D11 yet, but it seems MPC-HC can use it (it says it's playing in "HW" on HD Graphics 520 with HEVC activated for DXVA2 native):

http://wp.xin.at/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/elitebook820g3-mpchc-dxva2-options.png

The performance differences aren't too great though, see the next screenshot where I've put CPU usage with HW accelerated playback over the regular one in a different color:

http://wp.xin.at/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/elitebook820g3-mpchc-load-combined.png
(Blue = CPU only, Red = DXVA2 native, overlay isn't peeerfectly aligned, but yeah)

It'd be really nice if they would activate this for the 515 as well, as the CPUs are slower. At least a little bit could be freed up..

[iwod]

Interesting, One of the selling point of Kaby Lake ( Next iteration of Skylake ) was to support HW HEVC 10 bit decoding. If Skylake has it, then why bother with Kaby. ( Only thing new in Kaby would be integrated USB 3.1 wave 2 )

[sneaker_ger]

Skylake 10 bit HEVC is CPU/GPU hybrid only. Uses lots of power and is still too slow for some UltraHD material. Kaby Lake will be fixed function.

[hajj_3]

Interesting, One of the selling point of Kaby Lake ( Next iteration of Skylake ) was to support HW HEVC 10 bit decoding. If Skylake has it, then why bother with Kaby. ( Only thing new in Kaby would be integrated USB 3.1 wave 2 )

kaby lake supports 10bit hardware decoding of h265/vp9. Native hdmi 2.0a with HDCP 2.2, native usb 3.1 and native thunderbolt 3.

Quite a big upgrade for connectivity and video.

[GTPVHD]

http://i.imgur.com/A3cDAFA.png

Nvidia Pascal GPU family, first to support fixed function HEVC Main12 hardware decoding on discrete graphics cards.

[NikosD]

PowerDVD is the first SW certified for Ultra HD Blu-ray for PC:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/powerdvd-and-hitachi-lg-will-offer-first-ultra-hd-blu-ray-playback-for-pc.html

[Jamaika]

Everything was great only did Cyberlink not buy old technology? I don't know in which direction will develop the technology, but in Poland representatives the software say outright. Who needs Bluray UHD since they are fast memory? The second thing the price disc BluRay. How much is a bluray in India and how many in Poland?

[x265_Project]

2017 is shaping up to be a breakout year for HEVC.

LG announced the first smartphone supporting Dolby Vision HDR. See https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/dolby-laboratories-lg-electronics-announce-120000574.html Of course, watching Netflix and Amazon HDR movies requires HEVC, and so we know that the LG G6 will have HEVC hardware support which is on and available for all applications.

Sony announced the Xperia XZ Premium, the world's first 4K HDR smart phone, powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 SOC.

We expect the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, with an AmoLED HDR display and a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 (or similar Samsung Exynos processor) to also provide native HEVC support, and it's reasonable to expect Apple to want to keep pace when they announce the next iPhone.

60% of new TVs sold in the US last quarter were 4K, and most 4K TVs are smart TVs with native HEVC support. Most new connected set-top boxes (Roku, Fire TV, etc.) support 4K HEVC playback.

With HEVC becoming a default codec on premium smartphones, and being supported by the majority of home entertainment video devices, 2017 promises to be a break-out year.

[hajj_3]

2017 is shaping up to be a breakout year for HEVC.

LG announced the first smartphone supporting Dolby Vision HDR. See https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/dolby-laboratories-lg-electronics-announce-120000574.html Of course, watching Netflix and Amazon HDR movies requires HEVC, and so we know that the LG G6 will have HEVC hardware support which is on and available for all applications.

Sony announced the Xperia XZ Premium, the world's first 4K HDR smart phone, powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 SOC.

We expect the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, with an AmoLED HDR display and a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 (or similar Samsung Exynos processor) to also provide native HEVC support, and it's reasonable to expect Apple to want to keep pace when they announce the next iPhone.

60% of new TVs sold in the US last quarter were 4K, and most 4K TVs are smart TVs with native HEVC support. Most new connected set-top boxes (Roku, Fire TV, etc.) support 4K HEVC playback.

With HEVC becoming a default codec on premium smartphones, and being supported by the majority of home entertainment video devices, 2017 promises to be a break-out year.

doesn't mean much if it isn't used. The iphone used to use hevc for facetime but then hevc advance decided to be idiots so they switched to h264.

2017 will be the year of vp9 and the the early testing of av1 likely on youtube.

[CruNcher]

2017 is shaping up to be a breakout year for HEVC.

LG announced the first smartphone supporting Dolby Vision HDR. See https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/dolby-laboratories-lg-electronics-announce-120000574.html Of course, watching Netflix and Amazon HDR movies requires HEVC, and so we know that the LG G6 will have HEVC hardware support which is on and available for all applications.

Sony announced the Xperia XZ Premium, the world's first 4K HDR smart phone, powered by a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 SOC.

We expect the Samsung Galaxy Note 8, with an AmoLED HDR display and a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 (or similar Samsung Exynos processor) to also provide native HEVC support, and it's reasonable to expect Apple to want to keep pace when they announce the next iPhone.

60% of new TVs sold in the US last quarter were 4K, and most 4K TVs are smart TVs with native HEVC support. Most new connected set-top boxes (Roku, Fire TV, etc.) support 4K HEVC playback.

With HEVC becoming a default codec on premium smartphones, and being supported by the majority of home entertainment video devices, 2017 promises to be a break-out year.

No words only usable for external out but really HDR on a Smartphhone Screen serious, how desperate must the industry be selling such nonsense as a usable feature ?

And then Dolby Vision even, fits the name makes the Price, usability unimportant.

Maybe Scheik Ahmad Omar Amamsa Namsa damsa falls for it :D

With HEVC becoming a default codec on premium smartphones, and being supported by the majority of home entertainment video devices, 2017 promises to be a break-out year.

There the PR guy speaks fully out of you ;)

[x265_Project]

No words only usable for external out but really HDR on a Smartphhone Screen serious, how desperate must the industry be selling such nonsense as a usable feature ?

If you think about it, high dynamic range video is just a way to capture and display a more life-like version of any video. Video sensors have been steadily improving over the years, and most can capture a very wide dynamic range. Now that display technology has improved to enable brighter brights and darker darks (especially with OLED and AMOLED displays, which are being used in some of the latest smartphones), it just makes sense to enable this capability. Netflix and Amazon have a good selection of HDR movies and TV shows, but why not enable HDR video capture and playback on your smartphone? HDR may be a premium capability today, but it's destined to become a standard feature over the next couple of years... for video and for photos.

[x265_Project]

doesn't mean much if it isn't used. The iphone used to use hevc for facetime but then hevc advance decided to be idiots so they switched to h264.

2017 will be the year of vp9 and the the early testing of av1 likely on youtube.
Besides YouTube, who is using VP9? Others might, but the number of HEVC capable devices vastly outnumbers VP9 capable devices.

Do you think Apple will support VP9? I don't.

[CruNcher]

If you think about it, high dynamic range video is just a way to capture and display a more life-like version of any video. Video sensors have been steadily improving over the years, and most can capture a very wide dynamic range. Now that display technology has improved to enable brighter brights and darker darks (especially with OLED and AMOLED displays, which are being used in some of the latest smartphones), it just makes sense to enable this capability. Netflix and Amazon have a good selection of HDR movies and TV shows, but why not enable HDR video capture and playback on your smartphone? HDR may be a premium capability today, but it's destined to become a standard feature over the next couple of years... for video and for photos.

Sure and thats a good thing but i doubt people will pay Premium for just it like many seem to hope when the Dolby Logo Pranks on the Device ;)

[WhatZit]

Do you think Apple will support VP9? I don't.

Not VP9, but...

Unless AV1 is a ponderous algorithmic disaster (who knows?), or hardware decoders take another year to eventuate (there's a LOT of chipset manufacturers in the AOM), you're right: this year WILL be thrilling for HEVC.

Just not in the way you're expecting :sly:

[x265_Project]

Not VP9, but...

Unless AV1 is a ponderous algorithmic disaster (who knows?), or hardware decoders take another year to eventuate (there's a LOT of chipset manufacturers in the AOM), you're right: this year WILL be thrilling for HEVC.

Just not in the way you're expecting :sly:

AV1 will be 5x to 10x more complex (slower to encode or decode) than VP9 or HEVC, and the efficiency gain over HEVC may be small. Chip vendors are pledging to support it, but it will take 1-2 years for hardware decoders and encoders to be designed and implemented. There are likely to be legal challenges as well. AV1 may succeed, but it will take 2-3 years before it becomes an available option.

[x265_Project]

Sure and thats a good thing but i doubt people will pay Premium for just it like many seem to hope when the Dolby Logo Pranks on the Device ;)

HEVC hardware is already in every TV, smartphone and PC chipset. People have been paying for the hardware for the past 3 years. The patent royalty on smartphones may be about $1 total... less than $2 for TVs. This is less than what everyone paid to license MPEG-2 video patents. Obviously, Sony and LG are paying the patent royalties and turning HEVC on in their latest smartphones. I expect their competitors (Samsung, Apple, etc.) to follow shortly. HEVC will be used for more than just watching HDR movies from Netflix and Amazon. It doubles your video storage. It can double your photo storage. What does flash memory cost? What does mobile bandwidth cost? A lot more than the cost of implementing HEVC.

[mandarinka]

I wouldn't be sure about Apple, they like to play "I know what you need" act with consumer and don't really adopt new features as one would expect based on market demand.

Android devices are broadly covered by HEVC support though. Also I was in the market for new TV now and noticed that Europe is switching to DVB-T2 with HEVC coding. So... my new TV bought in a few weeks probably will have HEVC decoder, even tho it's going ot be just 1080p screen.

[JohnLai]

AV1 will be 5x to 10x more complex (slower to encode or decode) than VP9 or HEVC, and the efficiency gain over HEVC may be small. Chip vendors are pledging to support it, but it will take 1-2 years for hardware decoders and encoders to be designed and implemented. There are likely to be legal challenges as well. AV1 may succeed, but it will take 2-3 years before it becomes an available option.

Then HEVC better gain a foothold within those 2-3 years, otherwise AV1 might displace HEVC or specifically MPEG-LA and co. as video standard-setter.

[hajj_3]

HEVC hardware is already in every TV, smartphone and PC chipset. People have been paying for the hardware for the past 3 years. The patent royalty on smartphones may be about $1 total... less than $2 for TVs. This is less than what everyone paid to license MPEG-2 video patents. Obviously, Sony and LG are paying the patent royalties and turning HEVC on in their latest smartphones. I expect their competitors (Samsung, Apple, etc.) to follow shortly. HEVC will be used for more than just watching HDR movies from Netflix and Amazon. It doubles your video storage. It can double your photo storage. What does flash memory cost? What does mobile bandwidth cost? A lot more than the cost of implementing HEVC.

Most smartphones can't hardware decode hevc so if i record a video on my phone in hevc and send it via whatsapp to a friend then they probably can't view it. Also i don't think youtube allows you to upload videos that are recorded in hevc, not sure about facebook or twitter.

[mandarinka]

Also i don't think youtube allows you to upload videos that are recorded in hevc
Quite anti-competetive if true. Note that youtube uses ffmpeg which obviously has HEVC support. And they obviously aren't prevented from enabling it by licensing, because they compile it themselves from source and don't ship the software to anybody.

[x265_Project]

Quite anti-competetive if true. Note that youtube uses ffmpeg which obviously has HEVC support. And they obviously aren't prevented from enabling it by licensing, because they compile it themselves from source and don't ship the software to anybody.
There's a difference between licensing a copyrighted software library (legally using x265) and licensing patent rights (legally using or distributing HEVC products or content). That being said, you're right that MPEG LA charges no HEVC content distribution fees whatsoever, and HEVC Advance only charges for paid subscriptions or pay-per-title content, and not for ad-supported content like YouTube, so HEVC content distribution would be royalty free for YouTube. And yes, they could use x265 for free under the GPL v2 license. The same is true for Facebook, Twitter, and many other web services. And even if for companies that charge subscription or per-title fees, the annual maximum content distribution royalty is $2.5 million / year (pocket change for Netflix, Amazon, etc.).

[x265_Project]

Most smartphones can't hardware decode hevc so if i record a video on my phone in hevc and send it via whatsapp to a friend then they probably can't view it. Also i don't think youtube allows you to upload videos that are recorded in hevc, not sure about facebook or twitter.

Most modern smartphones sold in the last 3 years have HEVC hardware decoders and encoders. Most of the time, however, the drivers to turn this capability on were left off of the device. But these device manufacturers could easily push out a device driver update to turn that capability on, if they wanted to.

[CruNcher]

Then HEVC better gain a foothold within those 2-3 years, otherwise AV1 might displace HEVC or specifically MPEG-LA and co. as video standard-setter.

We might see a Split OTT/IPTV/HTTP for AOM and OTS/Broadcast will mostly continue with MPEG like we are used too though with the fear of some that OTS/Broadcast deprecating over time and losing more and more MPEG will have a hard time in the future but how they reacted beforehand as IP givers and splitting themselves now even everyone fears that it's gonna fall apart.

Also who knows if we wont see a very massive change even away from MPEG like algorithmic handling of video even with complete new leaders nobody yet expect or thinks off ;)

We saw V-Nova coming out of nowhere with their Hierarchical Layer widening the SVC and FGM concept to any data.

And we surely not at the End we are just at the beginning i would say ;)

Who knows if MPEG will still exist if everyone starts on their own stabling everyone in it's back, like we saw with HEVC Advance on the business layer ;)

And now ASICs aren't the Primary King anymore and more and more taking FPGAS into account especialy for their Cloud Structures and adapting Intel even Progressively taking the upgradeabilty of TVs as a future new business concept into account, nothing is impossible.


And there is a aspect nobody really want's to talk really about and that is how World Economic changes and Politics will change the overall Research conditions that will impact MPEG in one way or another as well internationaly.

[hajj_3]

Most modern smartphones sold in the last 3 years have HEVC hardware decoders and encoders. Most of the time, however, the drivers to turn this capability on were left off of the device. But these device manufacturers could easily push out a device driver update to turn that capability on, if they wanted to.

a huge portion of chinese phones don't even get a single update not even bug fix updates. There's no chance they would add support to phones already on the market.

[CruNcher]

Often makes no sense the EOL of most Chinese Devices is like bough today EOL in 6 month new Hardware revision time to market is fast, i mean time to "actual" market ;)

[x265_Project]

The UHD Alliance just announced a new HDR standard for mobile devices... Mobile HDR Premium... http://www.soundandvision.com/content/hdr-small-screen#K87remjrzTmTiy8r.01
As today, HDR is synonymous with HEVC, you can be sure that mobile devices that meet this new standard will support HEVC HDR natively (hardware HEVC decoders that are available to all mobile app developers).

[CruNcher]

We saw it coming with LGs first release and announcements anyways now its confirmed that the others also see it as a viable target, so it doesn't really surprises another Logo and things that where sold before without the intention to marketize on them become Gold now and in the end even more expensive (the logo stands for Premium you need it to be existing anymore being not premium is like being dead) ;)

[sneaker_ger]

As today, HDR is synonymous with HEVC
Youtube uses VP9 for HDR.

[x265_Project]

Youtube uses VP9 for HDR.
True. You can decode VP9 in software on a sufficiently powerful PC, but for battery powered or embedded devices you need hardware decoders, and FAR more devices (TVs, IP set-top boxes like Roku and FireTV, mobile phones) support hardware HEVC decoding than VP9. With HEVC everywhere and VP9 only supported on a limited # of devices, I don't expect many content services (other than YouTube and Netflix) to either choose VP9 over HEVC, or to support both VP9 and HEVC.

[Gser]

Just bought a new Samsung 4k HDR tv. Seems most 2016 4k tvs support playback of HEVC and VP9 internally. And as a side note cable tv is becoming hilariously redundant with all the streaming services available these days.

[x265_Project]

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-answers-iphone-storage-woes-with-smaller-photos-videos/

[bstrobl]

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-answers-iphone-storage-woes-with-smaller-photos-videos/

Something tells me that the HEVC licensors are all in a minor panic and are now trying to push HEVC where they can before AV1 is complete and gets a major foothold. Mac OS High Sierra will bring HEVC coding even to older Macs, which without hardware acceleration will eat into battery life. Then again, it might get people to upgrade their old Macs :sly:.

[GTPVHD]

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2017/05/velos-media-hevc-patent-pool.html

"Third HEVC Patent Pool Launches With Ericsson, Panasonic, Qualcomm, Sharp & Sony"

HEVC is pretty much a dead format with the licensing and royalties mess.

[benwaggoner]

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2017/05/velos-media-hevc-patent-pool.html

"Third HEVC Patent Pool Launches With Ericsson, Panasonic, Qualcomm, Sharp & Sony"

HEVC is pretty much a dead format with the licensing and royalties mess.

Reality disagrees. In the important HEVC news this week:
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2017/06/macos-high-sierra-delivers-advanced-technologies-for-storage-video-and-graphics/

High-Efficiency Video Coding
Support for industry-standard HEVC (H.265) enables video streaming and playback of 4K video files at incredible quality that are also up to 40 percent smaller than with the current H.264 standard.1 With HEVC, Apple is enabling high-quality video streaming on networks where only HD streaming was previously possible, while hardware acceleration on the new iMac and MacBook Pro deliver incredibly fast and power-efficient HEVC encoding and editing.

Getting Apple on board is huge.

Plus HEVC with High Efficiency Image File Format (HEIF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format)) may actually be the first format to give JPEG a serious run for its money as the default image format.

HEVC is dying like capitalism :).

[LigH]

HEVC is dying like capitalism :).

:scared: You ... you ... you ... communist!!! :devil:

[Motenai Yoda]

Someone can provide an iphone hevc video?

[iwod]

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2017/05/velos-media-hevc-patent-pool.html

"Third HEVC Patent Pool Launches With Ericsson, Panasonic, Qualcomm, Sharp & Sony"

HEVC is pretty much a dead format with the licensing and royalties mess.

I am guessing. Apple negotiate a deal that is better then what we know on paper. 25M to MPEG-LA, 50M to HEVC Advance Group, Unknown to Technicolor and Velos Media.

For one, Technicolor and all the members of Velos Media were originally within the MPEG-LA Group.

And being Apple, i dont think they are paying 100M / year on HEVC when they were originally paying 5M on AVC.

And yes, like benwaggoner have said. I am not sure HUGE is even enough to describe it. NO other players in the industry can match this, with the adoption rate of iOS 11 you will likely have 400M Active devices by the end of next year that is capable of playing HEVC video.

I wish all these HEVC group will sit down and talk. Just why should HEVC be 20x more expensive then AVC?

[Motenai Yoda]

Indeed Millions of devices like samsung's, lg's, sony's, huawei/honor's, motorola's can already decode 1080p hevc files
samsung's s5 was the first smartphone with hevc support 3 years ago

[SeeMoreDigital]

.... samsung's s5 was the first smartphone with hevc support 3 years agoIndeed, my OnePlus X smart phone is around 2 years old and it's able to play 1080p HEVC video (placed within the mkv container) pretty well.

I've not spent any time checking which HEVC profiles it supports though ;)

[x265_Project]

Did anyone notice this? https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/store/p/hevc-video-extension/9n4wgh0z6vhq
The specs are a contradictory, first saying it's supported on Intel Kaby Lake processors, and then saying ARM is required.

[sneaker_ger]

Didn't Windows 10 already have HEVC support since the beginning albeit only through 3rd party DXVA? What does the HEVC extension add?

[GTPVHD]

http://www.streamingmedia.com/Articles/Editorial/Featured-Articles/The-HEVC-Soap-Opera-Keeping-Track-of-Players-and-Costs-119090.aspx

If Velos’ IP owners really believe their own valuation statements, then HEVC licensees could be looking at another $40 million royalty cap, if there’s a cap at all, and those publishing HEVC content could face a new set of fears about potential royalties. That’s on top of the $60 million+ already in place, plus the $9.75 million+ many are paying for H.264. All this is before any royalty imposed by Technicolor, which also has not published its rates. While the Velos group appears to incorporate the last of the HEVC IP holdouts (which is a good thing), the total cost for HEVC could be over $100 million/year.

Yeah, Apple could be dumb and pay that kind of stupid money since they have plenty of money, but a small company could never afford paying licensing and royalties to all 3 patent pools.

[nevcairiel]

Didn't Windows 10 already have HEVC support since the beginning albeit only through 3rd party DXVA? What does the HEVC extension add?

That is correct. Windows 10 had a HEVC hardware decoder based on Media Foundation all along. I can only imagine this extensions is some API for store apps to directly reference, or something.

[x265_Project]

I am guessing. Apple negotiate a deal that is better then what we know on paper. 25M to MPEG-LA, 50M to HEVC Advance Group, Unknown to Technicolor and Velos Media.

For one, Technicolor and all the members of Velos Media were originally within the MPEG-LA Group.

And being Apple, i dont think they are paying 100M / year on HEVC when they were originally paying 5M on AVC.

And yes, like benwaggoner have said. I am not sure HUGE is even enough to describe it. NO other players in the industry can match this, with the adoption rate of iOS 11 you will likely have 400M Active devices by the end of next year that is capable of playing HEVC video.

I wish all these HEVC group will sit down and talk. Just why should HEVC be 20x more expensive then AVC?

Big companies like Apple already have patent cross-license agreements with many companies, including those companies that participated in developing HEVC. They don't necessarily need to take an HEVC patent license through a patent licensing body, like MPEG LA. If they do license through a licensing body, the relative value of patents that they already have a license to (through other agreements) is subtracted from the fees they would have to pay.

In the end, it's the device manufacturers that pay codec patent royalties. HEVC is quickly becoming mandatory for any device to remain competitive, both for video and for photo/image compression. App and service developers don't have to worry about HEVC device patent royalties when they call on the native platform capabilities, like the core video libraries in iOS 11, MacOS High Sierra, or Apple's tvOS.

By my calculations (from available data), roughly 825 million iPhones, 185 million iPads, and 150 million Macs will support the new platform updates this fall... more than 1 Billion devices. And of course, all new Apple devices from this point forward will have full HEVC and HEIF encode/decode hardware support.

HEIF photo compression alone is more than enough reason to support HEVC on new mobile devices. HEIF is a massive upgrade over JPEG, PNG or GIF. 2.4x more efficient (on average) than JPEG, and this gets multiplied by another 2x or more when you shoot a series of photos of the same scene (burst mode). HEIF uses HEVC video profiles, so 10 bits/pixel is going to be fairly universal, and high dynamic range is no problem. You'll be able to edit an HEIF photo non-destructively, cropping and color correcting while keeping the original image data intact. Your 128 GB iPhone will now have the equivalent of 200GB of storage, or more. HEIF has no serious competition, and so I can't see any intelligent smartphone manufacturer trying to save a few dollars while not keeping pace with Apple on this.

[IgorC]

HEIF photo compression alone is more than enough reason to support HEVC on new mobile devices. HEIF is a massive upgrade over JPEG, PNG or GIF. 2.4x more efficient (on average) than JPEG

Was there any study which confirms this 2.4x compression gain over JPEG?

I remember that HEIF had better PSNR than JPEG 2.4x.
http://phenix.it-sudparis.eu/jct/doc_end_user/current_document.php?id=7292

However visually HEIF is 1.4-1.65x more efficient than JPEG according to this study

https://jpeg.org/downloads/aic/wg1n73041_icip_2016_grand_challenge.pdf


HEIF has no serious competition
It is a big question wheter HEIF will see any meaningful adoption in light of fact that JPEG's patents have expired several years ago.

There are some possibilites of Daala(or even AV1?) image profiles.
So a competition is always there.

P.S. Apple's support of HEVC (standard since 2013) in 2017 when AV1 will be frozen in the same year ... it's hard to call an innovation.
All my mobile devices and smartvs in both appartments support HEVC so calling Apple supporting it a "huge breakthrough" is a joke.

[LigH]

Who cares about PSNR (with widely known academic fail samples) in times of further SSIM modifications? After all, subjective quality can only be rated seriously with a subjective comparison = ABX test with hundreds of participants... ;)

And efficiency is no guarantee for wide acceptance. I was very impressed of LuRaWave for a long time, but never saw it getting supported without a plugin.

[x265_Project]

https://petapixel.com/2017/09/28/gopro-unveils-hero6-black-4k-60fps-video-new-gp1-chip/

Camera
Sensor 1 x CMOS
Pixel Gross 12 MP
Effective Pixels Not specified by manufacturer

Optics
Fixed Focus Yes

Recording
Recording Media microSD/HC/XC
Video Format 3840 x 2880 at 24, 25, 30 fps (60, 78 Mbps MP4)
3840 x 2160p at 24, 25, 30, 50, 60 fps (60, 78 Mbps MP4)
2704 x 2028p at 24, 25, 30, 50, 60 fps (MP4)
2704 x 1520p at 24, 25, 30, 50, 60, 100, 120 fps (MP4)
1920 x 1440p at 24, 25, 30, 50, 60 fps (MP4)
1920 x 1080p at 24, 25, 30, 50, 60, 100, 120, 240 fps
1280 x 720 at 50, 60 fps (MP4)
Aspect Ratio 16:9 4:3
Still Image Resolution RAW: 12 Megapixel
JPEG: 12 Megapixel
Channels 2.0-Channel Stereo
Audio Format AAC, WAV

Display
Display Type LCD
Touchscreen Yes
Screen Size 2"
Status Display Yes
Exposure Control
Burst Photo 30 Photos / 1 Second

Features
Image Stabilization Digital
Waterproof Depth Rating 33.0' / 10.0 m (Camera)
White Balance Modes Not specified by manufacturer
Built-In Mic Yes
Built-In Speaker Yes
Wi-Fi Yes
Input/Output Connectors
Outputs 1 x Micro-HDMI (Type-D)
Microphone Input Yes
Headphone Jack No

[LigH]

Petter H. will probably order one, I could imagine ... no, I will not explain who I mean; as a small hint, he also uses 80 MPx photo cameras.

[TomV]

The dominoes continue to fall...

Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9+ support HEVC video recording (https://www.sammobile.com/news/galaxy-s9-series-support-video-recording-in-hevc-format/)

4K60P 10 bit recording

HDR playback

[Bello]

Most smartphones can't hardware decode hevc so if i record a video on my phone in hevc and send it via whatsapp to a friend then they probably can't view it. Also i don't think youtube allows you to upload videos that are recorded in hevc, not sure about facebook or twitter.

May be which size of video you are trying to send your friends via WhatsApp it too large or not meet with WhatsApp sending file requirement because WhatsApp only allow you to share more then 5mb files so may be that's why your friends are not watch the video perfectly but you can increase this limit by using this WhatsApp Plus modified application which allow you to share more 60mb files without any issue.

App details you can check here:https://gbapps.net/

[benwaggoner]

May be which size of video you are trying to send your friends via WhatsApp it too large or not meet with WhatsApp sending file requirement because WhatsApp only allow you to share more then 5mb files so may be that's why your friends are not watch the video perfectly but you can increase this limit by using this WhatsApp Plus modified application which allow you to share more 60mb files without any issue.

App details you can check here:https://gbapps.net/
This thread is years-old. Tik Tok and other services have long since added support for HEVC .mp4 file upload, and it's been the default video capture codec on iOS and most Android devices for several years now.