how can I burn *.dts to audio CD

[user-s3]

Hi, how can I burn 6-channel (5.1) *.dts files to 6-channel audio CD?
Nero these files can't burn.
Some files Nero can burn, but some ones can't and I don't know why.
It must be probably some alternative burner.

[Groucho2004]

Hi, how can I burn 6-channel (5.1) *.dts files to 6-channel audio CD?
Audio CDs are limited to 2 channel, 16 Bit, 44.1 Khz sample rate (Redbook).
You'll have to convert and downmix your DTS file to that format (with eac3to, for example).

[user-s3]

Audio CDs are limited to 2 channel, 16 Bit, 44.1 Khz sample rate (Redbook).
You'll have to convert and downmix your DTS file to that format (with eac3to, for example).

It's a nonsense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1_Music_Disc
Don't honk in this topic anymore.

[filler56789]

Hi, how can I burn 6-channel (5.1) *.dts files to 6-channel audio CD?

Assuming they already are at 44.1kHz,

http://www.ac3filter.net/wiki/AC3Filter_tools#spdifer

then you can record the resulting WAV file to an Audio CD.

[SallyDog]

I've been doing it for years.

www.surroundbyus.com

[user-s3]

I've never seen any home treater, which couldn't play any stereo stream as surround, eg. 5.1.
But in this topic I'd like to know, how can I burn 5.1 *.dts files direct to DTS audio CD if you don't mind.

[Ghitulescu]

Hi, how can I burn 6-channel (5.1) *.dts files to 6-channel audio CD?
Audio CDs are limited to 2 channel, 16 Bit, 44.1 Khz sample rate (Redbook).
You'll have to convert and downmix your DTS file to that format (with eac3to, for example).

It's a nonsense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1_Music_Disc
Don't honk in this topic anymore.
Audio CDs are indeed limited to 2 channels at 44.1kHz and 16b.
All others are simply non-compliant or non-audio CDs.

Yes, one can burn CDRs (compact disc recordable, not compact disc audio) with any data he might want. The data may be anything, including dolby digital, DTS or HDCD. The beauty of digital is that the same data has different meanings according to its interpretation (this allows for instance for polymorph viruses, as they change their code via data manipulations).

Any DTS/DD disc will generate noise on any CD-player. HDCD are backwards compatible, like 4 channels vinyls, colour TV or stereo FM.

If the question was something like "How to burn DTS audio on CDR?", the answer would have been like in that article of wikipedia. But the mention of audio near CD means a specific concept, and the answer was correct.

[user-s3]

What have you writed that for?
Don't you understand my question?
I'm simply looking for a way to burn some files to CD as some tracks of audio CD DTS format.
You can sometimes see them in CD-ROM as *.cda files/links.
There isn't any magic or great theory of genesis some music emanation but just a way represented by eg. a name of useful software.
If sb. still doesn't understand this, better give a break. please.

[bigotti5]

Are the files encoded as DTS Music Disc (DTS CD)?
Standard DVD DTS files wont work.

[user-s3]

I think so.
Problematic files, .wav too, are here:
https://sourceforge.net/p/cdexos/discussion/1794/thread/f8c513e6/

[bigotti5]

These are 48kHz files you have to convert to 44.1 and encode as DTS Music files
ie Surcode (http://www.minnetonkaaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=87)

Here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ss4nbddg92700im/01%20DTS%20441%20music.rar) your file as DTS Music file

[user-s3]

I'd like to find a way to just burn this .dts file to CD as an audio DTS.
Could you explain, how have you converted the test .dts file to .wav step by step?

[bigotti5]

Resample to 44.1 kHz using eac3to.
eac3to "01 WAV.wav" split.wavs -resampleto44100
Feed Surcode with those files and encode.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I'd also be interested in finding an 'freeware' application that can place a 5.1/6.1 channel 44.1KHz DTS stream into the WAV container, to the red-book standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1_Music_Disc)...

If anyone's interested. There's an application called DTS Parser v2.0 that can de-mux surround sound DTS streams out of the .WAV container ;)

[filler56789]

I'd also be interested in finding an 'freeware' application that can place a 5.1/6.1 channel 44.1KHz DTS stream into the WAV container, to the red-book standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1_Music_Disc)

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1666186#post1666186

If anyone's interested. There's an application called DTS Parser v2.0 that can de-mux surround sound DTS streams out of the .WAV container ;)

http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/267222-DTS-1536-kpbs-not-clear-with-VLC?p=1967983&viewfull=1#post1967983

[SeeMoreDigital]

Assuming they already are at 44.1kHz,

http://www.ac3filter.net/wiki/AC3Filter_tools#spdifer

then you can record the resulting WAV file to an Audio CD.
I have no idea how to use CLI toots. Is there a GUI for this?

[tebasuna51]

I have no idea how to use CLI toots. Is there a GUI for this?

I don't know any GUI, but is easy use CLI tools.

1) Put in a folder all dts than you want convert to dtswav, the file "spdifer.exe" and a DtsToWav.bat file (make with Notepad for instance) with this content:

@echo off
for %%a in (*.dts) do spdifer "%%a" "%%a.wav" -wav
pause

2) Run DtsToWav.bat

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BTW, I never had a CD player compliant with this files. Even DVD players with spdif output always play noise with this burned CD's.

I prefer htpc's or players, like the Xtreamer, than can play regular DTS files 5.1 sending the output by spdif to the receiver.
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EDIT:
If spdifer don't work like spected maybe try DtsWav.exe instead

[EDIT] DtsWav.exe included in WAVDTSutil.7z here (https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1848792#post1848792)

[SeeMoreDigital]

I'm really thick when it comes to this kind of stuff...

I have an empty 'D' drive which I use for my encoding work. If I have say, a file called dts.dts and I want to convert it to a dts.wav file, what do I have do do?

What do I write in the .bat file?

[tebasuna51]

If I have say, a file called dts.dts and I want to convert it to a dts.wav file, what do I have do do?
With spdifer.exe, dts.dts and the bat file at same folder in your D drive:

spdifer dts.dts dts.wav -wav

Or
dtswav dts.dts
with my DtsWav.exe

[user-s3]

Has somebody burnt any of problematic files (.dts or .wav) to audio CD DTS and check order of played channels yet?
Any conversion form .dts to .wav and its parameters you can make easily in free and portable Xrecode II,
but I'm mainly interested in burning .dts files direct to audio CD DTS.

[tebasuna51]

Has somebody burnt any of problematic files (.dts or .wav) to audio CD DTS and check order of played channels yet?

When convert from dts to wav to burn a CD the dts isn't recoded, only data is packed in other way. Then the channel order isn't changed.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks tebasuna,

The dtswav.exe application seems to work fine. The dts.wav file plays fine in my hardware and software players and all channels are correctly mapped: -

General
Complete name : D:\dts (By DTSWAV).wav
Format : Wave
File size : 5.60 MiB
Duration : 33s 297ms
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 14
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 33s 297ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 411.2 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 5.60 MiB (100%)


However, the spdifer.exe application created a borked DolbyDigital.wav file, with the following information: -

General
Complete name : D:\dts (by spdifer).wav
Format : Wave
File size : 5.60 MiB
Duration : 33s 297ms
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps

Audio
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : 92
Codec ID/Hint : Sonic Foundry
Duration : 33s 297ms
Bit rate : 1 411 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 5.60 MiB (100%)

So I don't know what went wrong there...

Cheers and many thanks

[Nexin]

I'm really thick when it comes to this kind of stuff...

I have an empty 'D' drive which I use for my encoding work. If I have say, a file called dts.dts and I want to convert it to a dts.wav file, what do I have do do?

What do I write in the .bat file?

Foobar2000 using the convert option. I have read it can also output cue sheet file that you may need for CD burning.
Convert
Set 'Destination' Merge All Tracks Into One File
The rest as you need it for CD compatible format

When installing Foobar2000 v1.3 (or higher) and select for a portable install. I find the portable install never allows me to output a cue sheet file only the .wav file, and never complains via its console it cannot do so.

Maybe it is a unknown bug that the Foobar2000 portable mode has. That I find it cannot actually output cue sheet files ?

Have read though others install using non portable have no problems. Though with Foobar2000 always nice to have a stable version and try beta versions at same time which means need portable install is then needed.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I've come across a new issue, which I think is DTS encoder related...

If I use LameXP (4.09 Final-1) to generate a 5.1 channel 44.1KHz/16-bit (1536Kbps) DTS file, the elementary DTS stream plays okay in Media Player Classic and VLC Player.

General
Complete name : D:\dts.dts
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
File size : 11.0 MiB
Duration : 1mn 0s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 538 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Duration : 1mn 0s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 538 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 11.0 MiB

But when I use dtswav.exe to place the elementary DTS stream into the .wav container. The resulting DTS.wav file wont play correctly.

General
Complete name : D:\dts.wav
Format : Wave
File size : 12.6 MiB
Duration : 1mn 14s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 14
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 1mn 14s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 757 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 12.6 MiB (100%)

As you can see the DTS files 'bit-rate' is not 1536Kbps. However, I also generated a DTS file at 768Kbps but this does not work either :(

Any suggestions?

[tebasuna51]

Foobar2000 using the convert option...

Convert
Set 'Destination' Merge All Tracks Into One File
The rest as you need it for CD compatible format
...

And what Output Format?
If I select WAV Foobar2000 decode the dts files and make a decoded wav 5.1 that can't be burned in CD.

[tebasuna51]

I've come across a new issue, which I think is DTS encoder related...

If I use LameXP (4.09 Final-1) to generate a 5.1 channel 44.1KHz/16-bit (1536Kbps) DTS file, the elementary DTS stream plays okay in Media Player Classic and VLC Player.

I don't know your encoder, but a bitrate of 1536 Kb/s isn't typical for a samplerate of 44100 Hz.

But when I use dtswav.exe to place the elementary DTS stream into the .wav container. The resulting DTS.wav file wont play correctly.

The resulting fake wav is useless to play, only must be used to burn a CD.

As you can see the DTS files 'bit-rate' is not 1536Kbps. However, I also generated a DTS file at 768Kbps but this does not work either

Of course the bitrate is always higer because the dts data in wav uses only 14 bits for each 2 bytes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1_Music_Disc). Then the bitrate must be always 8/7 bigger.

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Now my test:

1) Encoded a 5.1 44100 Hz audio to DTS Music Disk (.wav) with DTS-HD Master Audio Suite (unique bitrate offered 1234 Kb/s)

General
Archivo : 441_51.wav
Contenedor : Wave
Ocupacion : 3.4 MiB (3526700 bytes, 44 de contenedor)
Bitrate_T : 1411244

Audio
Formato : DTS
Duracion_A : 00:00:19.992 (19992 ms)
Bitrate_A : 1411200 CBR
Canales : 6 (3/2/0.1)
Muestreo : 44100

2) Converted to standard dts with Ac3Tools or BeSplit (bit-identical result)

bsconvert 441_51.wav 441_51.wav.dts
or
BeSplit.exe -core( -input 441_51.wav -prefix dts -type dtswav -fix )

General
Archivo : 441_51.wav.dts
Contenedor : DTS
Ocupacion : 2.9 MiB (3085824 bytes, 214 de contenedor)
Bitrate_T : 1234800

Audio
Formato : DTS
Duracion_A : 00:00:19.991 (19991 ms)
Bitrate_A : 1234800 CBR
Canales : 6 (3/2/0.1)
Muestreo : 44100

Here you can see the different bitrate 1234800 x (8/7) = 1411200
One more reason to don't use a wav big file to play the same dts standard. The wav only to burn a CD.

3) Converted the 441_51.wav.dts to wav with dtswav.exe the resulting file is bit-identical with original 441_51.wav

[SeeMoreDigital]

I've sussed it...

I used your UsEac3to v1.0.0 application to generate a 5.1 channel 44.1KHz/16-bit (1235Kbps) DTS file using dcaenc with this custom command line: -

stdout.wav dcaenc -i - -o %_.dts -l -b 1233

This generates an elementary dts file with the following properties: -
General
Complete name : D:\dts.dts
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
File size : 8.84 MiB
Duration : 1mn 0s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 235 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 16
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Duration : 1mn 0s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 235 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 8.84 MiB

And when I use dtswav.exe to place the elementary DTS stream into the .wav container. The resulting DTS.wav file plays perfectly.

General
Complete name : D:\dts.wav
Format : Wave
File size : 10.1 MiB
Duration : 1mn 0s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 14
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 1mn 0s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 411.2 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 10.1 MiB (100%)

EDIT: tebasuna51. Is it possible to configure UsEac3to v1.0.0 to alter the bit-depth to 20-bits?

[tebasuna51]

Is it possible to configure UsEac3to v1.0.0 to alter the bit-depth to 20-bits?
20-bits for what?
Don't exist a wav file with 20 bits, maybe 24 bits with only 20 significant bits and the rest to 0.

In other hand a DTS standard don't have bitdepth, the header field than MediaInfo show as Bit depth is the Source PCM Resolution.
The samples inside a DTS are in frequency domain without a equivalence with bitdepth in time domain.

And most the times the field Source PCM Resolution is wrong.
Surcode always put 24 even with 16 bit sources, and dcaenc put 16 even with 32 bits source.

You can use the bitdepth of your source without problems, DTS standard is a lossy codec and the error can be greater than 1 bit in 16 bits sources (is not lossless with 16 bits).

BTW, dcaenc don't support 24 bit input, but yes 32 bits then sometimes you can use, for instance with a 48 KHz source:

stdout.wav -resampleTo44100 -down32 | dcaenc -i - -o %_44.dts -l -b 1234
...
Resampling to 44.1kHz...
Reducing depth from 64 to 32 bits...
...
General
Archivo : 321.dts_44.dts
Contenedor : DTS
Ocupacion : 2.9 MiB (3089408 bytes)

Audio
Formato : DTS
Duracion_A : 00:00:20.016 (20016 ms)
Bitrate_A : 1234800 CBR
Canales : 6 (3/2/0.1)
Muestreo : 44100

Exact bitrate than used by DTS-HD MA Suite.

This dts have:
Source PCM Resolution .......: 0 (16 bits)

And is wrong because Source PCM Resolution isn't 16 bits

[Nexin]

And what Output Format?
If I select WAV Foobar2000 decode the dts files and make a decoded wav 5.1 that can't be burned in CD.
Ah after looking I see the problem dts in dts out with adjusted bitrate I forgot Foobar2000 cannot do that.

Although it would be ever so easy if Foobar2000 could demux and mux (split and join) to input output the same format. Unchanged except bitrate if user needs that for later cd burning. While also generating a cue file each time if user needs one generated.

I have just had a look and used Foobar200 with plugin 'Command Line Decoder Wrapper' (foo_input_exe.dll) with Ffmpeg so far general demux commands not working..

-i - acodec copy %d
-i - acodec copy -f dts %d
-i - c:a copy %d
-i - c:a copy -f dts %d

Needing a basic demux as above working before adding other commands for what you need. It should work maybe its a Ffmpeg build or something other ?




http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=98998

Decode command: ffmpeg.exe -i %s -f wav %d
File type mask: *.mpg; *.mpeg; *.m2v; *.vob


Format name: ffmpeg
Decode command: ffmpeg.exe -i %s -f wav -
File type mask: *.avi; *.mpeg; *.vob; *.ts; *.m2ts; *.mp4; *.mov; *.ogm; *.mkv; *.flv; *.rm
Decoder output format: wav


Additionally, in foobar's configuration under "Advanced\DirectShow input settings" you should enter this line: *.mkv;*.mka;*.avi;*.ts;*.mts;*.m2ts;*.m2t;*.mpg;*.mpeg;*.m2v;*.vob
I added ;*.dts to those above. Maybe other posts on the net solve this ?

[SeeMoreDigital]

I have a DTS-CD which is stated to be 24-bit. However, when you feed the .wav files into DTSParser they are reported to be 20-bits: -

http://i59.tinypic.com/v64ygp.png

Unfortunately, when they are de-muxed to a elementary .DTS stream, neither Media Player Classic or VLC Player is able to play them. And MediaInfo can't read their properties.

But when I use dtswav.exe to place the 20-bit elementary DTS stream into the .wav container. The resulting 20-bit DTS.wav file plays perfectly.

General
Complete name : D:\Desert Rose 20-bit.wav
Format : Wave
File size : 47.9 MiB
Duration : 4mn 44s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 14
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 4mn 44s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : Open
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 20 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 47.9 MiB (100%)

EDIT: And here's what UsEac3to v1.0.0 reports: -

http://i62.tinypic.com/24zx0er.png

If anything, it's interesting ;)

[tebasuna51]

Like I say before don't exist standar DTS 16, 20 or 24 bits.
There are only a field (2 bits) in header than store a value:

PCMR (Source PCM Resolution):
This field indicates the quantization resolution of source PCM samples (see Table 5-17).
The left and right surrounding channels of the source material are mastered in DTS ES format if ES = 1 and otherwise if ES = 0.

Table 5-17: Quantization resolution of source PCM samples
PCMR Source ES
---- ------- --
000 16 bits 0
001 16 bits 1
010 20 bits 0
011 20 bits 1
110 24 bits 0
101 24 bits 1

But the encode or decode don't use this info at all.
You can change this value without change any other thing in the stream. It is absolutely useless.

I sat many times to madshi don't put bitdepth to lossy codecs (DTS, AC3, MP3, ...) only lossless codec have bitdepth.
And here put "20/24 bits" is a joke.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks for taking the time to explain all this. It's been an interesting learning experience.

Now that I know how to create fully compliant DTS-CD.wav files all I need to do now is work out how to burn them onto a CD-R. I'm hoping ImgBurn can be configured to do this ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

When it comes to creating compliant DTS-CD-R's. This Burning a DTS-CD (http://www.surroundbyus.com/sbu/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17#) topic looks hopeful ;)

I've not tried it yet...

[Nexin]

Thankfully I do not need or want to convert from 24/48 >higher down to 16/44.1. Better then to keep audio as is at the same bit/sample rates as they are on the disc you bought.

Problems you will find sooner or later is where one song is spread over two or more tracks. Or where one song carries over to the next track sometime to the middle of it. Then you need options to demux as audio dts files (for dts) and generate a cue sheet so can edit the star-end index so to correct the problems. For DVDV-A is easy to do for DV-A it is not.

A cue sheet file is not only for CD It is a multi purpose index file. With that in mind we continue..

Demux disc to an audio image with a cue sheet file if possible.
For DVDV-A use PGCdemux extract cell times use Chapter Xtractor to convert to cue sheet times hh:mm:ss:cc (I know it should be hh:mm:ss:ff the :cc works)
Make cue sheet add times and track names
Play image using cue sheet with audio player such as Foobar2000. When spot and error edit the cue sheet so is correct.

Day before yesterday I found after telling Mosu that I needed perfect cue time splits for tracks (sorry Mosu). As this is correct for CD but not for DVDV-A and DVD-A as they are chapters. Edit cue sheet until you are happy it is correct.

You have now original demuxed dts audio file and an edited cue sheet. Now split the image file to retain original dts audio. The easiest method I've found so far that works is using MKVmerge v6.7.0 (32bit) may MKVmerge new GUI when it is completed and released will be ok also.

MKVmerge drop the dts image on it, merge it to an mka file. Clear MKVmerge previous project and add the new mka file then add the cue sheet (the cue indexes then become chapters). Clear cue sheet and drop again the newer mka file on MKVmerge. select Splitting (split before chapters) (all) (how many tracks the image has) and split.

Now you have corrected tracks that are split (if needed split tracks) and can choose tracks to add to your new audio DVD or BR disc. Burn with software burner or make a new DVD-A disc using DVD-A author tools.

* Below is of no use for lossy audio where need to keep original audio intact. If continue use only lossy audio compressors (where read lossless) then it will ruin your audio further, not that you care for that.. *

DVD-A with Foobar2000 and Foobar2000 components and can be done with a original audio file and make cue sheet file and edit. When DVD-A is lossless audio you need the lossless audio. Foobar2000 converter atm v1.3.0 doesn't output correct wav extensible files. Always errors with the last converted track when the output file will be >4gb. Although wav extensible should allows >4gb wav files is that the same for 24/48 5.1 and higher ?
Then better to use Foobar2000 converter to compress to flac v1.3.0 or other lossless format. Tak is good as monkeys audio but it also is slow at compressing will it ever be flac speed! (monkeys audio only supports 2 channel audio is a not a contender). I have tried convert using merge to flac and others and never a cue sheet file is generated neither is one embedded thankfully. Have tried with both portable and installed Foobar2000 (unknown which version it last worked) ?

[user-s3]

Conversion any *.dts to any .wav is quite easily, but the problem still is with the burning them to CD DTS. In this weekend I've tried perhaps everything to burn them and unsuccessfully. The best was DTS plugin for Nero 9, but it burnt not all dts files from the same album to CD DTS. Some tracks on resultative CD were 6-channel, but not even half, and the rest have been converted during burning to 2 channel despite of the source files have the same parameters. So I'm steel looking for how to burn 6-channel .dts or .wav files to audio CD DTS if somebody could solve this problem.

Or maybe this way. This file:
Format : Wave
File size : 27.8 MiB
Duration : 2mn 45s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps
Audio
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 2mn 45s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 411.2 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 27.8 MiB (100%)
I can burn to audio CD DTS easy by probably every Nero or other burner.
But the same file in wav format:
Format : Wave
File size : 83.1 MiB
Duration : 2mn 44s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 4 234 Kbps
Audio
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 2mn 44s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 4 234 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 83.1 MiB (100%)
I can't burn by anything.
Maybe is some way to convert this .wav file to .dts as above?

[user-s3]

When it comes to creating compliant DTS-CD-R's. This Burning a DTS-CD (http://www.surroundbyus.com/sbu/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17#) topic looks hopeful ;)
I've not tried it yet...
This way burns to only 2-channel audio CD
I've checked it already.

[filler56789]

This way burns to only 2-channel audio CD
I've checked it already.

"Normal" Audio CD (aka RedBook audio) IS 2-channel only.

It's up to the hardware/software DTS decoder to detect the DTS "signal" inside the noisy stereo PCM stream (SPDIF) and decompress it into a 6-channel output.

And I don't see the point of insisting on Nero, when one can do the same thing with ImgBurn, for example. :confused:

[tebasuna51]

This way burns to only 2-channel audio CD

Nope, this way works fine if you have a proper CD player.

You must understand this:

When you convert a dts to a wav with DtsWav.exe you make a fake wav like your first data:
Format : Wave
File size : 27.8 MiB
Audio Format : PCM, Endianness : Little, Sign : Signed
Bit depth : 16 bits
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Duration : 2mn 45s
Bit rate : 1 411.2 Kbps

Is a fake header with many of the data wrong.
The audio data is not PCM data but the 5.1 DTS stream.

Only the Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz can be correct.

And the duration can match only if the original DTS was encoded at 1234800 b/s because with the conversion 14/16 bits go to 1411200 b/s (see my previous post).

Just the bitrate value of a real wav 16 bits, 2 channels and 44100 Hz (like MediaInfo show):
16 x 2 x 44100 = 1411200 b/s

Only this fake wav can be burned in CD like CDA, you can't burn a real wav 5.1, like your second data, make decoding the DTS to PCM.

[tebasuna51]

@Nexin
Your post here are Off Topic, you have your thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=170167) to post about your problem.

[user-s3]

Nope, this way works fine if you have a proper CD player.
Nope, this way works wrong if you could check this in every home theater, audacity or etc. Surround speakers are dumb and there is only two channels.


When you convert a dts to a wav with DtsWav.exe you make a fake wav like your first data:
Format : Wave
File size : 27.8 MiB
Audio Format : PCM, Endianness : Little, Sign : Signed
Bit depth : 16 bits
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Duration : 2mn 45s
Bit rate : 1 411.2 Kbps

I haven't converted it. It's just my *.dts file as many I have, which I can burn to audio CD DTS.
The below file (83.1 MiB) was just converted from *.dts to *.wav.

[user-s3]

"Normal" Audio CD (aka RedBook audio) IS 2-channel only.

Look at my first post: "6-channel audio CD" can mean only audio CD (not DVD or BR) DTS as here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1_Music_Disc

[Stereodude]

Look at my first post: "6-channel audio CD" can mean only audio CD (not DVD or BR) DTS as here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.1_Music_DiscAre you here for help or to argue with people? You seem to have a rather poor grasp of the technical concepts involved in what you're trying to do and keep trying to correct people who aren't wrong. If you spent half as much time trying to learn as you are protesting and arguing with the people trying to help you, you'd be an expert by now.

Feel free to educate yourself about Redbook Audio CDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_Digital_Audio). filler56789 was correct.

[SeeMoreDigital]

When it comes to creating compliant DTS-CD-R's. This Burning a DTS-CD (http://www.surroundbyus.com/sbu/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17#) topic looks hopeful ;)

I've not tried it yet...
This way burns to only 2-channel audio CD
I've checked it already.
I tried using the ImgBurn procedure and it did not work... Bummer!

The disc was full of .cda files (which was encouraging), but none of my hardware players identified/flagged-up the disc as being a 'DTS-CD'... Damm!


Cheers

[user-s3]

Are you here for help or to argue with people? You seem to have a rather poor grasp of the technical concepts involved in what you're trying to do and keep trying to correct people who aren't wrong. If you spent half as much time trying to learn as you are protesting and arguing with the people trying to help you, you'd be an expert by now.

Feel free to educate yourself about Redbook Audio CDs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_Digital_Audio). filler56789 was correct.

Neither Redbook Audio CDs nor your opinion about me can help me make CD DTS, however intelligent people usually understand what they advise, so I'll be thankful for finish your digression.

[user-s3]

I tried using the ImgBurn procedure and it did not work... Bummer!

The disc was full of .cda files (which was encouraging), but none of my hardware players identified/flagged-up the disc as being a 'DTS-CD'... Damm!


Cheers

I've tried to use Minnetonka SurCode for DTS-CD and it was the same.

[Guest]

however intelligent people usually understand what they advise, so I'll be thankful for finish your digression. We don't appreciate gratuitous insults here. If you'd like to stay, knock it off.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I've tried to use Minnetonka SurCode for DTS-CD and it was the same.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Minnetonka SurCode for DTS-CD only offers the ability to generate compliant DTS-CD streams, it does not offer a means of burning such streams onto a CD-R.

Personally, I don't have any problems being able to generate multi-channel (1,411Kbps / 44.1KHz / 16-bit) dts.wav files. Indeed, if I place them onto a USB pen-drive or onto my NAS, my Oppo media player and Onkyo amp can decode them perfectly.

I just can't burn those same files onto a CD-R (to the redbook standard) and make them work in the same way all my 'store bought' DTS-CDs work. I've got around a dozen coasters now. I'm stumped :scared:

[user-s3]

I've just tried to burn a wav from Minnetonka SurCode for DTS-CD. And dts too.
I'm sorry, in my previous post my mediainfo perhaps had some failure, I should be:
And maybe this way. This file:

Format : Wave
File size : 27.8 MiB
Duration : 2mn 45s
Overall bit rate : 1 411.2 Kbps
Audio
ID : 0
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Muxing mode : LE / 14
Codec ID : 1
Codec ID/Hint : Microsoft
Duration : 2mn 45s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 411.2 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 27.8 MiB (100%)
I can burn to audio CD DTS easy by probably every Nero or other burner.
But the same file in wav format:
Format : Wave
File size : 83.1 MiB
Duration : 2mn 44s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 4 234 Kbps
Audio
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 2mn 44s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 4 234 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 83.1 MiB (100%)
I can't burn by anything.
Maybe is some way to convert this .wav file to .dts as above?

[bigotti5]

Second file is a 6 channel wave file.
You have to split to 6 mono channels (eac3to file.wav split.wavs) and feed Surcode with the mono files.
Resulting wav from Surcode is burnable as CD audio disc.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Resulting wav from Surcode is burnable as CD audio disc.
That's where I'm having the problem.

I can't find a way of burning my compliant dts.wav files onto a CD-R to the redbook standard. And make the CD-R work in the same way all my 'store bought' DTS-CDs work.

EDIT: I've even tried ripping the tracks from some of my DTS-CD's to individual dts.wav files and then burning these files back to CD-R and they don't work either!