how can I burn *.dts to audio CD

[filler56789]

VERY-wild guess: the "store-bought" DTS-CDs contain an ISRC number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Recording_Code), and the firmware of the players is designed to NOT work in the absence of that code? :confused:

[user-s3]

I've got several CDs DTS in *.dts file - particular tracks in particular files and I can burn them back very easy, so any theory about ISRC hereby rather has fallen.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I've got several CDs DTS in *.dts file - particular tracks in particular files and I can burn them back very easy, so any theory about ISRC hereby rather has fallen.So just to confirm we are talking about the same thing.

When you create a CD-R with your *.dts files and view the contents of the CD-R within windows explorer. Do you see something this: -

http://i57.tinypic.com/2622vc1.png


Cheers

[user-s3]

Exactly, eg. as in attachment.
I think, the solution of our problem is in conversion of .wav to right .dts.

[Stereodude]

I can't find a way of burning my compliant dts.wav files onto a CD-R to the redbook standard. And make the CD-R work in the same way all my 'store bought' DTS-CDs work.What program are you burning with?

[user-s3]

What app can make mark "Muxing mode : LE / 14" in .dts file and when?

[SeeMoreDigital]

What program are you burning with?ImgBurn

I'm wondering whether our dts.wav files require some additional meta-data...

EDIT: I've just spotted the following comment by Pl4yitLOUD over on the SurroundByUs.com Forum (http://www.surroundbyus.com/sbu/viewtopic.php?p=2327#p2327)

[filler56789]

...

However, the spdifer.exe application created a borked DolbyDigital.wav file, with the following information: -

General
Complete name : D:\dts (by spdifer).wav
Format : Wave
File size : 5.60 MiB
Duration : 33s 297ms
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps

Audio
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Codec ID : 92
Codec ID/Hint : Sonic Foundry
Duration : 33s 297ms
Bit rate : 1 411 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 5.60 MiB (100%)

So I don't know what went wrong there...

Thanks for that, because it shows the latest version of spdifer.exe is b0rked :(
I've attached an old version of spdifer.exe, which works as it should.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks for that, because it shows the latest version of spdifer.exe is b0rked :(
I've attached an old version of spdifer.exe, which works as it should.Thanks filler,

The old version of SPDIFer is indeed able to generate dts.wav files. I'm going to try burning yet another DTS-CD-R ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Bummer... Yet another coaster :(

[Stereodude]

Bummer... Yet another coaster :(They make CD-RW's for a reason. :D

[SeeMoreDigital]

They make CD-RW's for a reason. :DGood point. I've just checked and they can be read by my Oppo :D

[filler56789]

S.M.D.,

now that you're aware of the existence of CD-RWs :) ,
please test this 6-second "DTSWAV":

http://www.mediafire.com/download/l5w7uf7adyb1y43/dts-cd-test.wav.7z

I used a hex-editor and removed 16 bytes, so that the SPDIF stream now starts with an actual DTS frame header.

[user-s3]

Good point. I've just checked and they can be read by my Oppo :D
Not all compilations are possible to burn on CD-RW properly, especially related to media. It seems better to use some image recorder and burn to image of CD.

I've got it. SurCode is working as in the attachment.
In the evenig I'm going to try to burn a wav in 48000Hz from SurCode.

And I've just received a message from an author of my burnable *.dts files.
He's writing that he's made them in EAC, which can rip CD-DTS.

EAC is working great. You can rip and burn CD-DTS as you wish.
So that's all what I need. Thank you all.

[SeeMoreDigital]

S.M.D.,

now that you're aware of the existence of CD-RWs :) ,
please test this 6-second "DTSWAV":

http://www.mediafire.com/download/l5w7uf7adyb1y43/dts-cd-test.wav.7z

I used a hex-editor and removed 16 bytes, so that the SPDIF stream now starts with an actual DTS frame header.
Sadly your '6-second' sample file does not work either... During the disc 'load up' period my Oppo reports 'CDDA' instead of 'DTS-CD' :(

However, this got me thinking. Bear with me here........

First Test: I decided to see what would happen if I used some 'ripped' dts.wav tracks from some of my 'store bought' DTS-CD's. I burned the first 'original' dts.wav track onto a CD-RW disc and would you believe it... It worked perfectly in the Oppo.

Second Test: I ran the first 'original' dts.wav track through WaveWizard and removed all its meta data and burned the first 'original' dts.wav track and the WaveWizard dts.wav track onto a CD-RW. And they both worked :)

Third Test: I burned the first 'original' dts.wav track and the WaveWizard dts.wav track in reverse order onto a CD-RW. And they both worked :)

Fourth Test: I burned the first 'original' dts.wav track, the WaveWizard dts.wav track along with two of my dts.wav tracks onto a CD-RW. And, the first 'original' dts.wav track and the WaveWizard dts.wav track worked okay but my tracks were totally silent :(

Fifth Test: I burned the first 'original' dts.wav track, the WaveWizard dts.wav track, my dts.wav tracks and the second 'original' dts.wav track onto a CD-RW. And, the first 'original' dts.wav track and the WaveWizard dts.wav track worked okay, my tracks were totally silent and the second 'original' dts.wav track was totally silent :(

Sixth Test: I burned the first 'original' dts.wav track, the WaveWizard dts.wav track, my dts.wav tracks and the first 'original' dts.wav from another DTS-CD onto a CD-RW. And, the first 'original' dts.wav track and the WaveWizard dts.wav track worked okay, my tracks were totally silent but the first 'original' dts.wav from the other DTS-CD worked okay!

So I guess this means there must be some kind of DTS flag at the beginning of each of the 'original' dts.wav tracks...

For anyone is interested, I've cut the first 30 seconds off the working 'original' dts.wav tracks, which are available here (http://www.sendspace.com/file/enrhzv).

Cheers

[Wilbert]

Fifth Test: I burned the first 'original' dts.wav track, the WaveWizard dts.wav track, my dts.wav tracks and the second 'original' dts.wav track onto a CD-RW. And, the first 'original' dts.wav track and the WaveWizard dts.wav track worked okay, my tracks were totally silent and the second 'original' dts.wav track was totally silent

Sixth Test: I burned the first 'original' dts.wav track, the WaveWizard dts.wav track, my dts.wav tracks and the first 'original' dts.wav from another DTS-CD onto a CD-RW. And, the first 'original' dts.wav track and the WaveWizard dts.wav track worked okay, my tracks were totally silent but the first 'original' dts.wav from the other DTS-CD worked okay!

So I guess this means there must be some kind of DTS flag at the beginning of each of the 'original' dts.wav tracks...
That would mean the last track in the fifth test should work too no? What happens if you burn only the second original dts.wav track onto a CD-RW?

Or did you mean some flag at the beginning of the first original track?

Also, in one of the posts above someone refered to AudioMuxer (http://www.surroundbyus.com/sbu/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=136&p=2529#p2529). Have you tried that?

[SeeMoreDigital]

That would mean the last track in the fifth test should work too no? What happens if you burn only the second original dts.wav track onto a CD-RW?

I backed-up 2No 'store bought' DTS-CD's and discovered that only the first track on each DTS-CD could be burned to a CD-RW disc.

The second and subsequent tracks would not work when burned to CD-RW disc


Or did you mean some flag at the beginning of the first original track?
I suspect that there must be such a flag at the beginning of each track but maybe the ripping process looses it.


Also, in one of the posts above someone refered to AudioMuxer (http://www.surroundbyus.com/sbu/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=136&p=2529#p2529). Have you tried that?
I had a quick look but I think it relies on you having to install 'hookie' decoders...

[Wilbert]

Could you cut 30 seconds of the second (non working) track? I was looking with a hex editor at the files above.

The sample of filler56789 misses the sync word: FF 1F 00 E8 Fx 07 (meaning 14-bit little-endian). See http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=DTS. It's present (FF 1F 00 E8 F1 07, first occurance at 0xAFBC) in the first original track.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks Wilbert,

I've zipped up two for you. One is the second track from a 'store-bought' DTS-CD. The other is one I generated myself. Here you go (http://www.sendspace.com/file/imstfn).

EDIT: Jeez I've got to be up at 06:30... I better go to bed :scared:

[filler56789]

The sample of filler56789 misses the sync word: FF 1F 00 E8 Fx 07 (meaning 14-bit little-endian). See http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=DTS. It's present (FF 1F 00 E8 F1 07, first occurance at 0xAFBC) in the first original track.

Thanks for making me re-read and re-study that page :stupid: :o

In fact, my sample file was generated by dcaenc, at exactly 1234.8kbps, and then WAV-wrapped with spdifer.exe ---
I wasn't aware that the specs for DTS-CDs were sooooo strict :scared:

[nhakobian]

Could there be subchannel data that the dts-cd readers expect that isn't being ripped along with the actual track data?

Standard pcm audio tracks require subchannel data to perform track seeking (and optionally other things like track names for cd text) which audio burning software places (or perhaps cd burner hardware places), perhaps there is a related set of subchannel data that that the dts readers expect.

[tebasuna51]

I've zipped up two for you. One is the second track from a 'store-bought' DTS-CD. The other is one I generated myself. Here you go (http://www.sendspace.com/file/imstfn).

I see a problem in your sample Desert Rose (DTS-CD Source cut).wav. The field, in all headers, with the framesize of the DTS have the value 3585 and must be 3584.

Maybe you can try to burn this fixed one (http://www.sendspace.com/file/uyttn4).

I upload also my test (http://www.sendspace.com/file/9l9t6q)created with DTS HD MA Suite.

[Ghitulescu]

Standard pcm audio tracks require subchannel data to perform track seeking (and optionally other things like track names for cd text) which audio burning software places (or perhaps cd burner hardware places), perhaps there is a related set of subchannel data that that the dts readers expect.
Subchannel data is created by the burner on the fly. AFAIK.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I see a problem in your sample Desert Rose (DTS-CD Source cut).wav. The field, in all headers, with the framesize of the DTS have the value 3585 and must be 3584.

Maybe you can try to burn this fixed one (http://www.sendspace.com/file/uyttn4).Sadly it does not work. And for some reason ImgBurn thinks the (30second) file has a duration of 69:00:08 minutes: -

http://i60.tinypic.com/md2ys8.png


I upload also my test (http://www.sendspace.com/file/9l9t6q)created with DTS HD MA Suite.It's a 'no-go' with that source too. It's recognised as being a CDDA file only...

You would not have thought something like this could prove to be so difficult to make work...

[nhakobian]

Subchannel data is created by the burner on the fly. AFAIK.

I figured as much. However, since there are fields that are unusued (according to Wikipedia), I thought that just maybe they did something bizzare.

[sebus]

Guys, I am loosing my will to live...

Phonic Digitrack (wwhttp://w.phonic.com/en/digitrack.html) with ASIO drivers (usb-audio.com)

Lasedisc captured DTS file (wwhttp://w.sendspace.com/file/oocdxkDTS). Plays perfect in capture application Reaper AND in foobar2000 & SPDIFER plugin (http://www.ga.cba.pl/spdif_w7.html) via digital out to Denon amplifier

But I can not do anything else with this file

My aim is to get to be muxed in mkv

Any ideas?

sebus

EDIT
All because USELESS Phonic Digitrack reverts channels during capture! Use Audacity to swap channels & all is well

ESI U24XL (http://www.esi-audio.com/products/u24xl/) with asio4all captures correct .wav (dtswav)

[Wilbert]

've zipped up two for you. One is the second track from a 'store-bought' DTS-CD. The other is one I generated myself. Here you go.
How did you generate the one that you did yourself? With surcode? Both have the sync word FF 1F 00 E8 Fx 07: FF 1F 00 E8 F1 07 at 0x7CD (second track) and FF 1F 00 E8 F0 07 at 0x2D (yours). mmm, so that can't be the problem. (Although i guess it should be present.)

You first and second track have both the same frame header: FF 1F 00 E8 F1 07 E0 FC 98 00 00 FA EA F4 09 so that can't be the problem either. Note sure what to do further.

You might want to remove the group chunk in the first working track, and check whether it still plays. So


52 49 46 46 C8 C0 50 00 57 41 56 45 4C 49 53 54
B6 00 00 00 49 4E 46 4F 49 41 52 54 06 00 00 00
53 74 69 6E 67 00 49 4E 41 4D 11 00 00 00 41 20
54 68 6F 75 73 61 6E 64 20 59 65 61 72 73 00 00
49 50 52 44 23 00 00 00 42 72 61 6E 64 20 4E 65
77 20 44 61 79 20 5B 4A 61 70 61 6E 20 42 6F 6E
75 73 20 54 72 61 63 6B 73 5D 00 00 49 47 4E 52
04 00 00 00 50 6F 70 00 49 54 4F 43 3F 00 00 00
41 2B 39 36 2B 36 39 33 37 2B 42 43 39 38 2B 31
31 35 45 42 2B 31 36 46 35 30 2B 31 43 43 30 30
2B 32 31 46 42 44 2B 32 39 33 37 39 2B 32 46 36
39 33 2B 33 35 37 31 39 2B 33 43 35 33 37 00 00
49 54 52 4B 02 00 00 00 31 00 66 6D 74 20 12 00
00 00 01 00 02 00 44 AC 00 00 10 B1 02 00 04 00
10 00 00 00 64 61 74 61 E4 BF 50

to

52 49 46 46 C8 C0 50 00 57 41 56 45

66 6D 74 20 12 00
00 00 01 00 02 00 44 AC 00 00 10 B1 02 00 04 00
10 00 00 00 64 61 74 61 E4 BF 50

The group chunk contains the title, toc and other stuff which i don't understand.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Guys, I am loosing my will to live...

Phonic Digitrack (wwhttp://w.phonic.com/en/digitrack.html) with ASIO drivers (usb-audio.com)

Lasedisc captured DTS file (wwhttp://w.sendspace.com/file/oocdxkDTS). Plays perfect in capture application Reaper AND in foobar2000 & SPDIFER plugin (http://www.ga.cba.pl/spdif_w7.html) via digital out to Denon amplifier

But I can not do anything else with this file

My aim is to get to be muxed in mkv

Any ideas?

sebusWith respect sebus. This topic is about generating DTS files that are DTS-CD compliant.

[SeeMoreDigital]

How did you generate the one that you did yourself? With surcode? I generated the *.dts file using 'UsEac3To' and then used 'SPDIFer' to convert the *.dts file into a dts.wav file...

[sebus]

With respect sebus. This topic is about generating DTS files that are DTS-CD compliant.

Well, LD track is definitely CD compliant, 16-bit 44100

So it is only a question of "getting it out" from the raw stream, hence the question

sebus

[filler56789]

sebus, your sample file gives me only "static noise" with both foobar2000 and AC3Filter :confused:
Also, MediaInfo has nothing at all to say about it :confused:

But SeeMoreDigital is right, you really should have opened a brand-new topic for your problem ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Well... It's taken me a while but I've finally discovered a method of making my own DTS-CD-R compilation discs using the following applications :)


DTS encoder: UsEac3To but other encoding applications are available.
DTS to WAV muxing application: SPDIFer or DTS2WAV
WAV files muxing application: WaveWizard
CD-R disc burning application: ImgBurn


The key to making a CD-R disc into a 'viable' DTS-CD is this little DTS-CD Header.wav (http://www.sendspace.com/file/ttmfq4) file.

You will also need to learn how to make a .CUE file that is compatible with ImgBurn. Here is an example of a Working ImgBurn Cue File (http://www.sendspace.com/file/qlyw1b) that can be amended to suit your individual requirements.

So here's what I did...

After creating my viable 1235Kbps 44.1KHz/16-bit *.dts streams. I re-muxed them into the .wav container using SPDIFer or DTS2WAV. So you now have a bunch of *dts.wav files.

You then use WaveWizard to 'stitch' the 'DTS-CD Header.wav' and all your separate dts.wav files together. Making sure that the 'DTS-CD Header.wav' file is positioned at the top of the list. After WaveWizard has finished muxing all your files together you should have a 'viable' *dts.wav file.

The most complicated task is creating a *.CUE file which works with ImgBurn. But once this is done all you do next is. Create a new folder. Place the 'viable' *dts.wav file and the *.cue file into it. Right click on the *.cue file and 'Open with...' ImgBurn.

After ImgBurn has done its thing, you will (with any luck) have created a 'viable' DTS-CD. Complete with CD-Text data :D

Not bad eh? And it only took me a week to work out :scared:


Cheers

[filler56789]

.............
The key to making a CD-R disc into a 'viable' DTS-CD is this little DTS-CD Header (http://www.sendspace.com/file/ttmfq4) file.

:goodpost:

Many big thanks for your hard work :thanks: :thanks: :thanks:

[SeeMoreDigital]

It gets better...

Using the above method it's even possible to combine 6.1Ch, 5.1Ch and 2.0Ch *dts.wav files together.

It makes your surround sound amplifier "click like a cricket trying to find a mate" but it works...

Here's a sample that's burnable to a CD-RW disc (http://www.sendspace.com/file/w2wqka) ;)

[Wilbert]

@SMD,

Can i ask how you found out this stuff? How do you know about this DTS-CD Header file? Where did you get it from? Specs of the header? How about the CUE file? Could you describe it?

Isn't this header and cue file visible when you rip your original DTS-CD?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Wilbert,

When I discovered that I could use 'AC3 DelayCut v1.4.3.4' to chop off a 500ms segment from a working DTS-CD file (ie: Don Henley - The End Of The Innocence)... It got me thinking what would happen if I could add such a 'chopped segment' (ie: DTS-CD Header file) to the beginning of one of my own .dts.wav file creations. Hence WaveWizard.

I guess you could add this DTS-CD Header file to the beginning of any compliant dts.wav file. And burn each of those files to a CD-R/RW but I have not tried this yet...

Given the 500ms DTS-CD Header file adds so little to the overall length of a typical audio track, it's not much work to add this to your .CUE file.


Cheers

[Wilbert]

I don't understand it fully. This DTS-CD header is not present (looks different) in your "01 A Thousand Years (DTS-CD Source cut).wav" which you said is working too. Does this track contain a workable header too (which you can append in front of home made dtswav tracks too)?

I guess you could add this DTS-CD Header file to the beginning of any compliant dts.wav file. And burn each of those files to a CD-R/RW but I have not tried this yet...
Please try for us.

Given the 500ms DTS-CD Header file adds so little to the overall length of a typical audio track, it's not much work to add this to your .CUE file.
I guess the 500 ms is somewhat arbitrary? If so, could you try to cut off smaller sections to see what minimum is absolutely necessary to get it working.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Wilbert,

Using AC3 DelayCut I chopped off the beginning of the "01 A Thousand Years (DTS-CD Source cut).wav" file and eventually discovered that the smallest workable DTS-CD header is 372ms: -

General
Complete name : D:\372ms.wav
Format : Wave
File size : 64.1 KiB
Duration : 372ms
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 412 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 14
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 372ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 0 bps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: C
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 64.1 KiB (100%)

Indeed, if you chop off 371ms you end up with a PCM file:-

General
Complete name : D:\371ms.wav
Format : Wave
File size : 64.0 KiB
Duration : 371ms
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 412 Kbps

Audio
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 371ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 411.2 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 63.9 KiB (100%)

And as requested, I also tried adding the (new 372ms) DTS-CD header to the beginning of several of my own DTS.wav files and burned them (as individual files) to a CD-RW using ImgBurn. I'm happy to report they played perfectly :D

EDIT: I almost forgot, here's the new 372ms DTS-CD header (http://www.sendspace.com/file/yrdkpk).


Cheers

[sebus]

DTS encoder: UsEac3To but other encoding applications are available.
DTS to WAV muxing application: SPDIFer or WAV2DTS
WAV files muxing application: WaveWizard
CD-R disc burning application: ImgBurn



If you mux dts to wav, shouldn't you use dts2wav.exe instead from here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1668361#post1668361)

Also isn't Hypercube_Transcoder (http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=Hypercube_Transcoder) supposed to do what you need?

sebus

[SeeMoreDigital]

If you mux dts to wav, shouldn't you use dts2wav...Indeed.. I have corrected my original post

Also isn't Hypercube Transcoder supposed to do what you need? No it can't. Not at all...

[Wilbert]

Using AC3 DelayCut I chopped off the beginning of the "01 A Thousand Years (DTS-CD Source cut).wav" file and eventually discovered that the smallest workable DTS-CD header is 372ms: -
I don't get it. If i cut the beginning of that file (the 30 sec sample you uploaded; with AC3 DelayCut v1.4.3.7) it looks very different (using a hex editor) as your 372ms DTS-CD header file. The first few 'bytes':

RIFF<...WAVELIST¶...INFOIART....Sting.INAM....A
Thousand Years..IPRD#...Brand New Day [Japan Bon
us Tracks]..IGNR....Pop.ITOC?...A+96+6937+BC98+1
15EB+16F50+1CC00+21FBD+29379+2F693+35719+3C537..
ITRK....1.fmt ........D¬...±........dataX.......
...

versus your header

RIFF|...WAVEfmt ........D¬...±......dataX.......
...

Your header starts with the wave file format header. I'm curious as to what happens if you blank bytes (zero them) starting from 0xB35C. It must contain info to identify it as having dts tracks further on.

It's a pity that i don't have a dts-cd player to test it myself.

edit: so you need to append the header in front of every track (not just the first track)?

[sebus]

Hi, how can I burn 6-channel (5.1) *.dts files to 6-channel audio CD?
Nero these files can't burn.
Some files Nero can burn, but some ones can't and I don't know why.
It must be probably some alternative burner.

If you already have the file, then dts2wav & just burn it to CD
It will play fine via amp.

44.1 16-bit .dts (http://www11.zippyshare.com/v/5353364/file.html) was in my test not recognized by Mediainfo, but dts2wav (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1668361#post1668361) produced:


General
Complete name : W:\DTS2.dts.wav
Format : Wave
File size : 47.2 MiB
Duration : 4mn 40s
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 14
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 4mn 40s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 412 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 20 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 47.2 MiB (100%)


which recorded as AudioCD with imgburn plays perfectly as DTS via DVD player/Amplifier

Without any additional headers etc

sebus

[SeeMoreDigital]

I don't get it. If i cut the beginning of that file (the 30 sec sample you uploaded; with AC3 DelayCut v1.4.3.7) it looks very different (using a hex editor) as your 372ms DTS-CD header file. The first few 'bytes':
I think I understand what has happened. The original 30 second sample I provided was cut from a DTS.wav file that contains meta-data. Like this: -

General
Complete name : D:\01 A Thousand Years (DTS-CD Source cut).wav
Format : Wave
File size : 5.05 MiB
Duration : 30s 0ms
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps
Track name : A Thousand Years
Director : Sting
Genre : Pop
Original source form/Name : Brand New Day [Japan Bonus Tracks]
ITOC : A+96+6937+BC98+115EB+16F50+1CC00+21FBD+29379+2F693+35719+3C537
ITRK : 1

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 14
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 30s 0ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 0 bps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: C
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 5.05 MiB (100%)


If you run the above dts.wav file though WaveWizard it will strip the meta-data from the file. Like this: -

General
Complete name : D:\01 A Thousand Years (DTS-CD Source run through WaveWizard cut).wav
Format : Wave
File size : 5.05 MiB
Duration : 30s 0ms
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 1 411 Kbps

Audio
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Mode : 14
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 30s 0ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 0 bps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: C
Sampling rate : 44.1 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 5.05 MiB (100%)


edit: so you need to append the header in front of every track (not just the first track)?
So far I've managed to find two ways of compiling red-book DTS-CD discs.

Method 1: You can use WaveWizard to stitch all your separate dts.wav files together into one long dts.wav file. Then use WaveWizard again to stitch the DTS-CD Header.wav file once at the beginning. This method requires you to make your own .cue file for use with ImgBurn

Method 2: You can use WaveWizard to stitch the DTS-CD Header.wav file to the beginning of each one of your dts.wav files. ImgBurn will then create the .cue file for you.

However, I suspect the latter method will not be able to create red-book DTS-CD's with totally gapless playback though. Because the DTS-CD Header file might create a slight gap.

It's a pity that i don't have a dts-cd player to test it myself.
EDIT: If you have a DVD player or Blu-ray player it can probably play DTS-CD's too...

[SeeMoreDigital]

If you already have the file, then dts2wav & just burn it to CD
It will play fine via amp.

Hmmm...

When I used DTS2WAV to re-mux your supplied 'DTS2.dts' file to a 'DTS2.wav' file and burned it onto CD-RW using ImgBurn, it only produced a CDDA disc not a red-book DTS-CD disc.

EDIT: Can you explain how you are making your red-book DTS-CD's using ImgBurn?

[sebus]

Did nothing different. Wrote the CDRW with imgburn. Played in Pioneer DVD player. Recognized as CD, played as DTS via Amp

sebus

[SeeMoreDigital]

Did nothing different. Wrote the CDRW with imgburn. Played in Pioneer DVD player. Recognized as CD, played as DTS via Amp

sebusI suspect you are just burning dts.wav files as data files to your CD-RW discs.

So please explain how you are setting up ImgBurn?

[sebus]

How could I burn data files? In that case it would be Data CD (and I am sure my player would not even understand dtswav)

I just create cue & burn it

DVD player sees it as CD & plays it

sebus


FILE "DTS2.dts.wav" WAVE
REM FILE-DECODED-SIZE 04:40:50
TRACK 01 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00


http://imageshack.com/a/img203/1499/d71w.png

[SeeMoreDigital]

I can confirm, that's the same way I use ImgBurn too.

I seems most odd that neither My Oppo BDP-103, Panasonic SA-PT480 or Pioneer DV-575A detects your supplied 'DTS2.dts.wav' files as being a 'Red-book' DTS-CD disc.

However, if I use WaveWizard to stitch the DTS-CD Header.wav file to the beginning of your 'DTS2.dts.wav' file and burn it with ImgBurn, all my players detect it as being a 'Red-book' DTS-CD disc.

Out of interest, can you burn this 'image' file (http://www.sendspace.com/file/69pifj) I have created for you to a CD-R/RW disc and see if your DVD player detects it in a different way to your creations?

I would also be interested to test one of your 'image' files with all my players...


Cheers

[filler56789]

For the notes...

The file "DTS2.dts" shared by sebus is *uncommon*
(to me, at least), probably because it's a 20-bit stream that was flagged as 16-bit :confused:
If I play directly with MPC-HC (demuxer = LAV Splitter, decoder = AC3Filter),
the result is simply ridiculous :mad: :D

BUT if I convert it with either dts2wav or bsconvert+spdifer,
then the resulting WAV file sounds OK (OR it sucks less anyway :p)

[SeeMoreDigital]

For the notes...

The file "DTS2.dts" shared by sebus is *uncommon*
(to me, at least), probably because it's a 20-bit stream that was flagged as 16-bit :confused:

I have a few 'store bought' DTS-CD's like this. But get this... On the CD covers spine they are stated as being 24-bit :scared:

I guess they are the DTS-CD equivalent of an HDCD disc...