BD Rebuilder 3D Blu Ray

[dr_mrsolds]

Has anything been accomplished with shrinking 3D BD such as Monsters vs Aliens?

[shon3i]

no muxer, no mvc encoder, in one word not possible.

[setarip_old]

@dr_mrsolds

Hi!

If that title uses the same (anaglyph - requires "red and green" or "red and blue" glasses) methodology as was used with the "Coraline" and "Journey to the Center of the Earth" 3D BluRays, it can be processed by BD-RB in the normal fashion...

[shon3i]

@dr_mrsolds

Hi!

If that title uses the same (anaglyph - requires "red and green" or "red and blue" glasses) methodology as was used with the "Caroline" and "Journey to the Center of the Earth" 3D BluRays, it can be processed by BD-RB in the normal fashion...
No it's MVC-encoded Blu-Ray.

[rotty]

I do not have a 3D encoded blu ray disc to try, but am I right in understanding what has been said above is that we cant use the tools we have been using for standard blu ray streams to compress the 3D multiplexed streams.

If that is the case, is there any work being done in this area.

Thanks

[jdobbs]

I do not have a 3D encoded blu ray disc to try, but am I right in understanding what has been said above is that we cant use the tools we have been using for standard blu ray streams to compress the 3D multiplexed streams.

If that is the case, is there any work being done in this area.

ThanksNot from me. I also don't have a 3D disc to test, or a way to test it.

[rotty]

Thanks for reply, at the moment I thinks there's only a few 3D discs around.

thanks

[setarip_old]

Just saw the following at the DVDFab website: DVDFab 7.0.7.0 is out (June 8, 2010)
New version of DVDFab added support for a new copy protection as found on "Shutter Island", added Blu-ray 3D support, and added support for Apple iPhone 4.

[A.Fenderson]

Just saw the following at the DVDFab website:

Whatever "added Blu-ray 3D support" does mean (I'm guessing not much), it's pretty well a given that it does NOT mean it can reencode MVC, right?

[deank]

It probably means that it can convert 3d blu-ray to 2d 'movie-only', which is not big deal.

[crl2007]

Just ripping and the end result is double in size when ripping it to HDD folder. If you rip it as an ISO, the file size is ok, but you can't edit anything. And yes, they are MVC encoded. I tested the Panasonic 3D Demo and the conventional tools that we have are of no use. eac3to can demux the streams, but there is no muxer.

[vsv]

It is possible with avisynth and MVC decoder (coded by alexpk - he have source code for developers.)
Left view on the BD 3D encoded in AVC, but delta in MVC. With alexpk's decoder possible reconstruct RIGHT view from LEFT+delta and encode to any format and stereoscopic layot.

[deank]

Thanks for the hint!

I just used H264StereoSource plug-in for AviSynth and encoded a short 30 seconds intro from Panasonic 3D Blu-ray Demo disc (using left+right AVC streams from the main m2ts file).

Even with anaglyph glasses it looks so cool. :)

[deank]

I took a step forward and converted all 1080p demo materials from the Panasonic 3D Demo Blu-ray to anaglyph 3D (red/cyan glasses needed).

I kept the 3D intro, 3D motion background menu and four 3D clips (1920x1080p 23.976).

With this conversion it is possible to watch the blu-ray on all TV sets and blu-ray players (including Panasonic Viera TV with SDHC card).

If there is interest I can post few screenshots and download link.

Dean

Basically, what I did can be used for 3D Blu-ray to anaglyph 3D movie only conversion, which is not bad at all. :)

[setarip_old]

@deank

By all means, please do post a link (and, perhaps, a link to "H264StereoSource plug-in?) ;>}

With this conversion it is possible to watch the blu-ray on all TV sets and blu-ray players (including Panasonic Viera TV with SDHC card). I've read that the "New" type of 3D requires TVs with 120Hz capability. If this is so, how did you overcome/circumvent that requirement - or are the Panasonic demos anaglyphto start with?

[deank]

Links [here] (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1410456#post1410456).

Overcoming real 3D and converting it to anaglyph 3D requires this plugin (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5C92CERN) for avisynth and takes a lot of time (like ~1.5fps encoding rate).

No, I used 3D blu-ray disc structure, not anaglyph and that's why I posted, because I thought it may be of some interest.

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/3D/multiAVCHD_4.2_03.jpg

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

The screen shots you've posted do not seem to have the 3D effect. Would you be able to post a large screencap directly from one of the short videos - that might better exhibit the 3D effect? (I've tried Red/Cyan, Red/Blue, and Red/Green glasses, to no avail - other than heightened luminosity)...

[crl2007]

@deank

By all means, please do post a link (and, perhaps, a link to "H264StereoSource plug-in?) ;>}

I've read that the "New" type of 3D requires TVs with 120Hz capability. If this is so, how did you overcome/circumvent that requirement - or are the Panasonic demos anaglyphto start with?


What deank did here is pure anaglyph from a BD 3D source, more exactly the Panasonic 3D Demo disc. So every player can playback this files. And the 3D effects are astonishing compared to the old anaglyph ( now you can have the correct right eye stream ).

To keep all the new 3D features and compatibility with various 3D TV sets and 3D glasses kits, you need to obtain 2 streams ( left and right ) and use Stereoscopic Player (http://www.3dtv.at/Index_en.aspx). The thing with new 3D stereoscopic files is that you can not play them from your card or usb of your TV set. You can try and do a Side - by - Side conversion, but you'll end up with enormous width and height and thus for not playable from a HDD, usb or card. The only way to play them from a card or usb is to convert them to anaglyph. Or you can connect your tv to the pc and use stereoscopic player.

If you'll like, I can post a tutorial on how it's done with these new Blu-Ray discs, but the decoding / encoding time is insanely slow. 3 fps max on a q9550. It's that the plugin hasn't mature yet and the author abandoned it.

http://thumbnails22.imagebam.com/8529/b1b1ef85285408.jpg (http://www.imagebam.com/image/b1b1ef85285408)

[setarip_old]

@crl2007

"deank" has already responded to me, in this thread, in a very concise and complete manner...

[deank]

@setarip: You can try it now for HD-DVD, too (+SD-DVD). Let me know if you can test it.

I'm sorry to take over the BD-Rebuilder topic, so I'll continue the conversations related to anaglyph 3D in the appropriate topic.

Dean

[deank]

@setarip: I got your email, but as usual my replies get bounced back.

I'll try to upload the anaglyph videos via HTTP (using rapidshare). All are converted to MKV, so you'll be able to do anything you want with them.

Dean :)

[setarip_old]

@deank @setarip: You can try it now for HD-DVD, too (+SD-DVD). Let me know if you can test it.I'd be happy to do so - if you can direct me to or provide me with source material that multiAVCHD recognizes for conversion to anaglyph 3D (NOT greyed out)...

BTW - The concept works fine, with no further trial necessary - The anaglyph 3D versions of both last year's "Coraline"and "Journey to the Center of the Earth" converted to perfectly performing HD-DVDs...

[setarip_old]

I just came across an article/review regarding PowerDVD 10 Ultra in the July issue of PC World.

In addition to describing the many additional formats it is now capable of playing was the following simple statement: Another new feature is the ability to upscale 2D to 3D (It additionally stated that, "A future free upgrade will fully support the 3D Blu-ray titles coming this summer.")

[Adub]

Okay, I have to ask. How the hell are they going from 2D to 3D in realtime? I thought that in order to go from 2D to 3D, the original producers had to go through frame by frame and add the second dimension in my hand. Anyone know the details on PowerDVD's apparent magic upscale?

[jdobbs]

Okay, I have to ask. How the hell are they going from 2D to 3D in realtime? I thought that in order to go from 2D to 3D, the original producers had to go through frame by frame and add the second dimension in my hand. Anyone know the details on PowerDVD's apparent magic upscale? I'm with you. I have to believe it can't be very effective.

[Adub]

Glad to know I'm not crazy then.

[setarip_old]

I'm guessing that "deank" will be able to offer some insight...

BTW - Perhaps you folks are reading too much into it. The statement regarding this PowerDVDUltra, which is remember, a "suite", says nothing about "real time", "on the fly", or even "playback".

Perhaps the suite will contain a separate conversion program...

[crl2007]

You can achieve the same with TotalMedia Theatre 3 with 3D Plugin. Realtime, on the fly 2D to 3D, but the outcoming has some depth, not 3D effects. It isn't something to be desired or used. It's a false 3D. I would never use such a feature to distort the movies.

Here is more for you to read:

http://3dvision-blog.com/converting-2d-videos-to-3d-using-virtualdub-and-the-avisynth-script/
http://3dvision-blog.com/impressive-realtime-2d-to-3d-video-conversion-for-3d-vision/
http://www.springerlink.com/content/nl0400w18507q533/
http://www.pantarheon.org/AviSynth3DToolbox/

And I never use PowerDVD since the hdd folder support has been removed. I recommend TotalMedia Theatre 3.

[setarip_old]

@jdobbs, @Adub

I guess we'll just have to wait a while to see what PowerDVD's (my personal favorite) offering will be comprised of...

[Adub]

Ah, I see. They use motion vectors to essentially interpolate another dimension or 'eye'. I'd really have to see it first before I'd buy into the technology.

[vsv]

AnaLglyph and 2D->3D conversion is POS :devil:
Why people want to watch sh*t?!

[rotty]

Now I know im gonna upset a lot of people by saying this but......

I can’t believe anyone is talking about converting 3D Blu Ray to Anaglyph 3d.

Not only is there obviously no true colour content but certain colours can’t appear in both fields anyway.

For example, a RED object can be seen in one eye but is black in the CYAN filtered eye and therefore gives a completely false 3D image (vice versa).

We should NOT be even contemplating this approach to re-building/compressing 3D Blu Ray.

NOT THE WAY TO GO

What annoys me more is that im old enough (thats the bit that annoys me) to remember Anaglyph 3d at the Cinema, effective and entertaining but not for our Hi Def BD age EH.

[A.Fenderson]

I don't think anyone suggested that converting to anaglyph be the default (or only) way in which BD-Rebuilder handles MVC-encoded content. But it would be an interesting *option*, in that anyone could then play back the disc regardless of their player or TV, and still get some sort of 3D effect. I'd imagine that since it's trivial to decode the base MVC stream, the default means of handling these in BD-RB, failing full MVC reencode support coming along in x264, would be to convert to normal 2D.

[setarip_old]

@rotty

Hi! I can’t believe anyone is talking about converting 3D Blu Ray to Anaglyph 3d.

1) Have you downloaded and viewed the converted-to-anaglyph demos made available by "deank"? Most of them are quite striking and effective.

2) Have you watched either or both of the anaglyph 3D versions of (live action and CGI) "Journey to the Center of the Earth" and (animated) "Coraline"? The 3D effects of "Journey to the Center of the Earth" were poor at best, while the 3D effects of "Coraline" were quite acceptable.

3) I, for one, am not ready to buy into the "new" 3D concept/gimmick yet. Requires new TV, new BD player, battery powered glasses (only two pairs included with TV purchase) at $50 to $100 per pair. Are you or your kids/grandkids thinking of having neighbors over for a pizza and 3D movie party? How many extra pairs of glasses are you willing/able to purchase? Do you sense (as I do) that the movie and video hardware industries felt they had to come up with another way to syphon money out of consumers' pockets, in light of the fact that BluRay has not grown anywhere near as quickly as they had hoped for?

4) When I first watched Vincent Price in the 3D version of "House of Wax" in a movie theater in 1953, it just totally amazed me - and scared the heck out of me as well ;>} The only negative aspect that i recall, was the headache I developed a few minutes after the theater lights came back up.

5) For the time being, I'll be satisfied to tinker, for the sheer fun of it, with new 3D releases (if it will be possible with the commercially released discs) in the same manner as "deank" has done with demo discs - as well as 2D to 3D anaglyph conversions, if easy-to-use and quick-to-convert software becomes available.

[rotty]

Hi Setarip

I have seen "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" anaglyph and it works OK but, (and this is only a personal opinion) it is totally destroyed by all the other anaglyph problems and is very very fatiguing on the eye/brain.

I know what you are saying re new equipment etc and a bit of a gimmick but it just seems that we are taking a hi tech true 3D approach and returning it back to the reason that early 3D failed in the Cinema.

As I say, I can see your side of it completely, it just doesn’t work for me.

As for the fun of it, then YES I would totally agree with you on that.

[deank]

I can’t believe anyone is talking about converting 3D Blu Ray to Anaglyph 3d.

***

We should NOT be even contemplating this approach to re-building/compressing 3D Blu Ray.

My comment about anaglyph 3D was not directed at BD Rebuilder's future options or anything... For me it was the easiest (and only possible) way to watch a 3D disc on my non-3D equipment and believe me, I'm not going to spend few thousand euros for new TV and new player with two funny 3D Blu-ray titles out there.

And - yes - it is just for fun.

Now, the technical stuff... 3D backup would require:

1) MVC decoding for both views -> you get 2 streams (L+R)
2) MVC encoding (x264?) -> 2 input streams (avs) -> 2 output files (full left + delta right)
3) MVC muxing for right-view delta

So far so good.

4) (Re)creating SSIF structure for all MVC files (m2ts pairs).

This is a step which would require a lot of work from / collaboration with the author of ImgBurn (or other burning applications - are there any?! :)).

Out of steps 2 and 3 you get (let's say):

30MB - 00001.m2ts (main 2D video / left eye + audio, subtitles, etc)
10MB - 00002.m2ts (delta video for recreating right eye video)

Then for both you must create a corresponding SSIF file (each L+R .m2ts pair requires one .ssif)

00001.ssif (in STREAM\SSIF folder) which contains all 192-byte packets from both 00001 and 00002.m2ts files, so it has their combined size (30+10 = 40MB).

Since SSIF files are decoded internally in 3D Blu-ray players' virtual file system they are NOT actually burned as separate physical files - they occupy 0 physical bytes, but instead share the same data/physical sectors from the Blu-ray disc media as 00001/00002.m2ts (otherwise a blu-ray disc would have to have a capacity of ~80-100GB).

So, once we eventually find the way to 'create' the virtual SSIF files for all pairs, the burning application must be instructed to create proper UDF information for each .ssif - in other words:

00001.m2ts uses physical media sectors 0 to 300
00002.m2ts uses physical media sectors 301 to 400

00001.ssif uses sectors 0, 1, 2, 301, 3, 4, 302, 303, 304, 5, 6... ... ... 298, 397, 398, 299, 300, 399, 400

I hope you get the idea.

From the above list of 4 steps, afaik we know how to accomplish the 1st one only.


@A.Fenderson: I think that in its current version, BD-Rebuilder should handle just fine 3D Blu-ray titles in "Movie-only" mode to get "2D movie-only version" of the disc. It shouldn't be very hard to implement 'full' backup of 3D titles in 2D mode, however it will require some tweaks in movieobject.bdmv to 'strip' all commands, which would eventually identify your player as 3D compliant, and forcing playback of the 2D version only.

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank I think that in its current version, BD-Rebuilder should handle just fine 3D Blu-ray titles in "Movie-only" mode to get "2D movie-only version" of the disc. It shouldn't be very hard to implement 'full' backup of 3D titles in 2D mode, however it will require some tweaks in movieobject.bdmv to 'strip' all commands, which would eventually identify your player as 3D compliant, and forcing playback of the 2D version only.
Unless I'm mistaken, I read somewhere that new 3D disc releases will already have that functionality - and will automatically switch to 2D output on non-3D equipment.

If so, wouldn't this obviate the need for any "tweaking" by BD-RB?

[deank]

What will happen if you in fact have a 3D Blu-ray player? BD-Rebuilder won't produce the proper structure and the player will hang.

[setarip_old]

(We're now going beyond my ken, but) I'm presuming BD-RB would not have a problem simply copying the new 3D/2D switch/flag...

[KarstenS]

When the time is there, that there is progress on copying 3D streams as 3D streams, I will be able to test ist. Have bought "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs" as 3D BD. 3D TV is also at home and TMT3 with the 3D plugin is installed too (not tested yet, that it really works as it should).

[colinhunt]

When the time is there, that there is progress on copying 3D streams as 3D streams, I will be able to test ist. Have bought "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs" as 3D BD. 3D TV is also at home and TMT3 with the 3D plugin is installed too (not tested yet, that it really works as it should).
You mean you would play "Cloudy" 3D on the PC which is connected to a 3D HDTV? That won't work, unfortunately. On the PC, 3D playback is "time-sequential" 120fps (a.k.a. page flip) which 3D HDTVs are unable to process. A stand-alone Blu-ray 3D player outputs "frame packed" 1920x2205@24p which is the HDMI 1.4 approved standard for 3D. In other words, 3D on the PC and 3D on stand-alone 3D players are very different and not compatible with each other.

[KarstenS]

You mean you would play "Cloudy" 3D on the PC which is connected to a 3D HDTV? That won't work, unfortunately. On the PC, 3D playback is "time-sequential" 120fps (a.k.a. page flip) which 3D HDTVs are unable to process. A stand-alone Blu-ray 3D player outputs "frame packed" 1920x2205@24p which is the HDMI 1.4 approved standard for 3D. In other words, 3D on the PC and 3D on stand-alone 3D players are very different and not compatible with each other.

Look at this screenshot:

http://www.arcsoft.com/files/_2010526_192653_0.jpg

Source (http://www.arcsoft.com/en-us/software_title.asp?ProductCode=Sim3d&dyContent=BUYNOW#submenu)

Please inform about 3DTV. My Samsung LE40C750 uses for 3D 120Hz frame sequential output with shutter glasses, like all other 3DTVs that actually get sold.

EDIT: Please also read HDMI 1.4 specs. It supports more than one way for 3D transport:

"Field Alternative, Frame Alternative, Line Alternative, Side-by-side half/full, L + Depth, L + Depth + Graphics + Graphics Depth"

Source (http://www.hifi-regler.de/hdmi/hdmi-1_4.php?SID=ab9199d86eebe35c27b7195fc3c35128#hdmi_14_3D_videoformate)

And by the way, my TV has support for "Field Alternative, Frame Alternative, Line Alternative, Side-by-side" and maybe the last things too. But I don't know what this is.

[colinhunt]

Look at this screenshot
Under the image on Arcsoft's website:

PageFlip – Select this mode if your display is a Frame Sequential NVIDIA 3D Vision 120Hz (or higher) display, AMD Quad Buffer Stereo monitor, or HDMI 1.4 3DTV*. This type of display normally works with active (battery-powered) shutter glasses.

The * points to this sentence: "Compatible graphics driver is required." Have you heard of Nvidia's 3DTV PLAY? It's a software application created for making PCs compatible with HDMI 1.4 3D HDTVs. Why would Nvidia bother making such a software if 3D HDTVs support PC's 120fps pageflipping configuration?

My Samsung LE40C750 uses for 3D 120Hz frame sequential output with shutter glasses, like all other 3DTVs that actually get sold.
By "output" you mean it displays 120 frames per second? Yeah, it does. And so do the others. But this is not about "output", this is about input. HDMI 1.4 spec does not support full 1920x1080 resolution input at 120fps, which is what PC page flipping is. I also think different versions of HDMI might be a problem, as the PC is only 1.3.

Please also read HDMI 1.4 specs. It supports more than one way for 3D transport
I have the HDMI 1.4a spec in front of me, and yes, it specifies many transport methods. But most of them are not mandatory, so 3D HDTVs don't have to support them. These are mandatory:

An HDMI Sink which supports at least one 59.94 / 60Hz 2D video format shall support all of:
- 1920x1080p @ 23.98 / 24Hz Frame packing
- 1280x720p @ 59.94 / 60Hz Frame packing
- 1920x1080i @ 59.94 / 60Hz Side-by-Side (Half)
- 1920x1080p @ 23.98 / 24Hz Top-and-Bottom
- 1280x720p @ 59.94 / 60Hz Top-and-Bottom

An HDMI Sink which supports at least one 50Hz 2D video format shall support all of:
- 1920x1080p @ 23.98 / 24Hz Frame packing
- 1280x720p @ 50Hz Frame packing
- 1920x1080i @ 50Hz Side-by-Side (Half)
- 1920x1080p @ 23.98 / 24Hz Top-and-Bottom
- 1280x720p @ 50Hz Top-and-Bottom

In the timings list the closest to pageflipping is either 1920x1080i120 or 1920x1080p120 Side-by-Side or Top-and-Bottom only. However, 1920x1080i120 is interlaced and the latter one is either half the horizontal resolution (Side-by-Side) or half the vertical resolution (Top-and-Bottom). Both are also listed under Secondary 3D Video Format Timings, not under Primary timings.

One more thing: In YouTube there's a 7-part video demonstration about Cineform's new Neo3D plug-in for Adobe Premiere CS5. In one of the videos the user chooses to output 3D from the PC to a Panasonic Viera 3D TV - but he has to select Side-by-Side configuration for it to work. That means 960x1080 resolution for each eye instead of Blu-ray 3D's 1920x1080 for each eye.

[KarstenS]

The * points to this sentence: "Compatible graphics driver is required." Have you heard of Nvidia's 3DTV PLAY? It's a software application created for making PCs compatible with HDMI 1.4 3D HDTVs. Why would Nvidia bother making such a software if 3D HDTVs support PC's 120fps pageflipping configuration?


The reason for this software of nvidia is: money.

When using a 3D TV you don't have to buy the whole 3D Vision stuff. So they decided to make 3D TV support as a software you have to pay for. With 3DTV Play you not only get support for Blu-Ray 3D. You get full 3D Vision software, that also support 3D gaming. Users that already bought 3D vision get this update for free.

AMD/ATI went another way. They added support for 3D TV in Catalyst 10.3 for free. But they added really nothing more than 3D TV support. Support for Blu-Ray 3D and 3D gaming is something the software developers has to do itself. Arcsoft added this support in their software and Cyberlink will bring an update soon.

[colinhunt]

AMD/ATI went another way. They added support for 3D TV in Catalyst 10.3 for free. But they added really nothing more than 3D TV support. Support for Blu-Ray 3D and 3D gaming is something the software developers has to do itself. Arcsoft added this support in their software and Cyberlink will bring an update soon.
You've tested this and verified for yourself that it works? Regardless, support in PC software for 3D HDTVs means that the PC is converting images on-the-fly to a format supported by 3D HDTVs - so the native-to-PC 120fps page flipping format is not compatible with 3D HDTVs.

And Arcsoft's player has to go through the display driver. So if the driver does not support 3D TVs, there's nothing Arcsoft can do. Hence the "Compatible graphics driver is required" disclaimer on their website.

edit: Googled a bit about Catalyst 10.3 and judging by a post on the 3D Vision Blog, Catalyst 10.3 does not enable Blu-ray 3D playback on a HDMI 1.4 3D HDTV. Also, found this thread, http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=136352 on the AMD Game Forums. Note the last post, dated 20.7., where someone asked AMD's rep about Blu-ray 3D playback on 3D TVs, and the rep replied "later this year". So it's not working yet.

[KarstenS]

You've tested this and verified for yourself that it works?

Now I have tested it and...it works. I had to acivate the PC Mode of my TV. Then it is possible to select 3D modes that the player give me as output. I tried line interleave and checkboard. Works in both modes. But only with TMT it looks like it should. With PowerDVD it give me a strange result.

But there is a big problem: No GPU acceleration at moment :( My Athlon64 x2 6000+ isn't fast enough for full speed.

But you are right. Real BD 3D output is different. Nvidia will bring this with its 3DTV software and ATI made an announcement in the internal Q2 roadmap.

But this was not the point, why I did write my first post in this thread. I wrote it to announce that I can test BDRebuilder with 3D Blu Ray, when there is some progress.

[colinhunt]

Now I have tested it and...it works. I had to acivate the PC Mode of my TV. Then it is possible to select 3D modes that the player give me as output. I tried line interleave and checkboard. Works in both modes.
That's no surprise, as both line interleave and checkerboard are 100% compatible with existing specs. That's why SKY's satellite 3D broadcasts work with existing satellite set-top boxes. But you are losing half of vertical or horizontal resolution; that's the problem.

But this was not the point, why I did write my first post in this thread. I wrote it to announce that I can test BDRebuilder with 3D Blu Ray, when there is some progress.
Yup. I can test BD-RB with Blu-ray 3D too, at Full HD resolution, with Nvidia 3D Vision and LG W2363D 3D display :)

[jdobbs]

I hope and suspect that someone is thinking about this over in the X264 group. Since that's where most of the magic happens, that's also where the real work will be done.

[KarstenS]

X264 group

Hmm. ffdshow too. Without decoding, no encoding or is it possible to use the codec of PDVD/TMT3?

There is really much, that has to be done :(

[jdobbs]

Hmm. ffdshow too. Without decoding, no encoding or is it possible to use the codec of PDVD/TMT3?

There is really much, that has to be done :( True.