NAL HRD has been committed!

[kieranrk]

I could set up a torrent later if needed.

That would be nice.

[rack04]

That would be nice.

That would be very nice. :thanks:

[mp3dom]

With latest release I still continue to have the warning "VBV parameters cannot be changed when NAL HRD is in use". What I'm doing is to use the 'zones' parameters to basically change the values of trellis and deblock. Nothing else regarding VBV values (set as BD specs). Thanks!

[SomeJoe]

I can confirm that Dark Shikari's posted versions of Big Buck Bunny, Elephant's Dream, and Tallship are accepted in Adobe Encore CS4 and show as "Don't Transcode", meaning that the H.264 streams are ready for authoring to BD as-is without the need for reencoding.

However, I was unable to actually make a BD from these files because of the following:

BBB and ED: Frame rate for those two files is 24.000, Adobe Encore requires 23.976 (24/1.001) and will not allow 24.000.
Tallship: No audio available at DS's site, so I didn't try it. Although, the frame rate is within Adobe Encore's capabilities (60/1.001).


I will try encoding one of my own HD files and test it in Encore.

[Dark Shikari]

I can confirm that Dark Shikari's posted versions of Big Buck Bunny, Elephant's Dream, and Tallship are accepted in Adobe Encore CS4 and show as "Don't Transcode", meaning that the H.264 streams are ready for authoring to BD as-is without the need for reencoding.

However, I was unable to actually make a BD from these files because of the following:

BBB and ED: Frame rate for those two files is 24.000, Adobe Encore requires 23.976 (24/1.001) and will not allow 24.000.
Tallship: No audio available at DS's site, so I didn't try it. Although, the frame rate is within Adobe Encore's capabilities (60/1.001).


I will try encoding one of my own HD files and test it in Encore.Tallship audio can be found here (http://cid-bee3c9ac9541c85b.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/LadyWashington).

[nm]

I could set up a torrent later if needed. That would be nice.

Here we go: http://video-test-sequences.hexagon.cc/torrents

Could someone that already has the files check that my copies match them? My MD5 checksums are:
TallShip_lag_YUY2_5.1.avi e95920a6eb89b0bcda723b896e77a007
TallShip_1080i_ATSC.ts ec7e0bc1cd86c4ed59850bfc7e9dab9b

[kieranrk]

BBB and ED: Frame rate for those two files is 24.000, Adobe Encore requires 23.976 (24/1.001) and will not allow 24.000.
Tallship: No audio available at DS's site, so I didn't try it. Although, the frame rate is within Adobe Encore's capabilities (60/1.001).

24/1 is definitely allowed so Encore needs fixing.

[SomeJoe]

24/1 is definitely allowed so Encore needs fixing.

Oh, there is no doubt that Encore needs fixing. The list of bugs I've found in Encore could fill many pages.

Yes, 24.000 is definitely allowed on BD, but Encore refuses to make a BD using that. I believe that all assets in the project have to match the base frame rate of the project settings. e.g. If you have told Encore that the project is a BD, H.264, 1920x1080 23.976p project, then all frame rates used in the project have to be NTSC-derived (23.976p, 29.97i, 59.94i). There appears to be no option to select 24.000 or PAL-derived (25.000, 50.000) frame rates.

I did successfully download the audio for Tallship, and I made a simple BD with just the Tallship video/audio ... no menu. This was successful with no reencode of the video.

However, the audio is longer than the video by just over 8 seconds (video is 5:35, audio is 5:43) according to the original files I downloaded. This is a ~2.4 % difference, which is not accountable for by using 0.1% slowdown (for NTSC) nor 4% speedup (for PAL).

As the audio is just music, there are no audible cues that I can use to tell if the audio slowly goes out of sync over the video, or just has silence tacked on to the end.

Nevertheless, the point was to see if the H.264 video was BD-compliant enough to allow no-transcoding authoring by Encore, and it has succeeded. Well done to all the x264 developers. :cool:

[Dark Shikari]

Hi dark,

your message box is fullfixed.

[Emulgator]

BD-RE from x264 r1538+1 authored in Sony DVD-A 5.0b Build 180:

Success !

All 3 movies (BBB,ED,TS) accepted without transcoding.
"x264" Intro, Still Menu for the three movies added, no chapters.
Audio encoded to 5.1 AC-3 (resp 2.0 AC-3 for Tallship)using WavtoAC3Enc (Aften)

Muxed flawlessly in DVD-A, less than 5 minutes.
Burnt from iso to Verbatim BD-RE25 in less than 4 minutes using ImgBurn 2.5.1.0.

Panasonic BD-50 sees this as BD-Video, reports 24p for the first two movies
and throws fluid pictures and sound.

ES Duration mismatches:

Elephant's Dream:
Video duration reported as 00:10:53:19
Audio duration reported as 00:10:58:02
No video/audio offset to be noticed.

Tallship:
Video duration reported as 00:05:35:15
Audio duration reported as 00:05:43:22
No video/audio offset to be noticed,
it is a music overdub only, no original sound recording.

All 3 encodes/muxes have one navigation issue in common.
FFWD is ok. REW tries to rewind for a brief moment, then skips to movie start.

[Dark Shikari]

The x264 Demo Blu-ray image is available in 3 parts (7z) at http://mirror05.x264.nl/Dark/bluray.

We need just a few more things:

1. Tests to see if it works on real players.
2. A place to host the final torrent and people to seed it!

[LoRd_MuldeR]

The x264 Demo Blu-ray image is available in 3 parts (7z) at http://mirror05.x264.nl/Dark/bluray.

Bandwidth Limit Exceeded :rolleyes:

2. A place to host the final torrent and people to seed it!

Maybe it could be added to Derf's collection at Xiph.org?
http://media.xiph.org/video/derf/

They already host a bunch of test sequences, some are up to ~5 GB in size...

[kemuri-_9]

grab the torrent from http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=154183

[shon3i]

As i read "Announcing the first free software Blu-ray encoder" i notice that

Do keep in mind that you have to export to raw H.264 (not MKV or MP4) or else the buffering information will be slightly incorrect.

I would ask, why buffering is different if different conatiner used. In previous HRD patched this not been problem, that's mean something alredy muxed with MKV, canno't be used for BD Authoring?

[Dark Shikari]

As i read "Announcing the first free software Blu-ray encoder" i notice that



I would ask, why buffering is different if different conatiner used. In previous HRD patched this not been problem, that's mean something alredy muxed with MKV, canno't be used for BD Authoring?Because in MKV/MP4, SPS/PPS aren't counted for buffering purposes (because they're global headers).

[Sharc]

What values have eventually been selected for the demo disk for buffer control ?

[shon3i]

vbv_maxrate=14745 / vbv_bufsize=14745

[Gser]

2. A place to host the final torrent and people to seed it!

Use Piratebay.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Here we go: http://video-test-sequences.hexagon.cc/torrents

Okay, I got the "Tallship" sequence now. Thanks! Unfortunately I see that the lossless original footage is interlaced :rolleyes:

May I ask how that sequence was deinterlaced and resized to 720p for the x264 demo disc?

In my first attempts (using NNEDI2/NNEDI3 + Spline36Resize) some scenes looked significant worse than the x264 demo disc...

Use Piratebay.

Good joke. (You know that their tracker was forced to go offline, back in Nov 2009 ???)

[Dark Shikari]

Okay, I got the "Tallship" sequence now. Thanks! Unfortunately I see that the lossless original footage is interlaced :rolleyes:

May I ask how that sequence was deinterlaced and resized to create the x264 demo disc?

In my first attempts (using NNEDI2/NNEDI3 + Spline36Resize) some scenes looked significant worse than the x264 demo disc...TempgaussMC + spline36resize.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

TempgaussMC + spline36resize.

Thanks for the info :)

May I also ask which release of TempGaussMC you used (it seems there are several releases floating around) and which parameters you used?

:thanks:

[Dark Shikari]

Thanks for the info :)

May I also ask which release of TempGaussMC you used (it seems there are several releases floating around) and which parameters you used?

:thanks:
AssumeFPS(30000/1001)
AssumeTFF()
TempGaussMC_beta2(edimode="eedi2")

[jpsdr]

Where this TempGaussMC can be found ? I've trouble to get it.

[JEEB]

Where this TempGaussMC can be found ? I've trouble to get it.
Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1379638&postcount=4).

Have fun with it :3

Edit: Also, there's the MVT2 version (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1340412#post1340412).

[Audionut]

First hit on google leads to this thread.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1378526#post1378526

[JEEB]

Oh yes, forgot about that thread as it's where it got officially released IIRC.

So I guess Didée never made a custom topic for it?

[jpsdr]

Thanks for the answers.
However, i thought it was only a de-interlacer, but apparently there is also noise removal, something i don't want...

[JEEB]

Thanks for the answers.
However, i thought it was only a de-interlacer, but apparently there is also noise removal, something i don't want...

It uses very slight denoising in order to get a better deinterlacing result. I think you can somewhat edit the strength of this given feature as well.

[nm]

Thanks for the answers.
However, i thought it was only a de-interlacer, but apparently there is also noise removal, something i don't want...

You can also bypass noise/grain, as Didée suggests here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1324744#post1324744

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Just in case somebody is interested, here is the properly deinterlaced/bobbed 720p version of the "Tallship" sequence:

TallShip 720p60 lossless HuffYUV
http://video-test-sequences.hexagon.cc/torrents/70618-TallShip_720p60_lossless_HuffYUV

Video: 1280×720 @ 60fps
Format: lossless HuffYUV in AVI
Audio: None
Duration: 5 min 35 s

Size: 13.5 GB (14.588.695.700 bytes)
MD5 sum: 9f17425c3a1322503bfc2a590767c3c5

Author: Ben Waggoner, Copyright 2005 Microsoft Corporation
License: similar to CC Attribution (see end of the credits in video)

[kieranrk]

Just in case somebody is interested, here is the properly deinterlaced/bobbed 720p version of the "Tallship" sequence:


Explain what you mean by "properly"?

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Explain what you mean by "properly"?

http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=1394744&postcount=622

[kolak]

Just in case somebody is interested, here is the properly deinterlaced/bobbed 720p version of the "Tallship" sequence:

TallShip 720p60 lossless HuffYUV
http://video-test-sequences.hexagon.cc/torrents/70618-TallShip_720p60_lossless_HuffYUV

Video: 1280×720 @ 60fps
Format: lossless HuffYUV in AVI
Audio: None
Duration: 5 min 35 s

Size: 13.5 GB (14.588.695.700 bytes)
MD5 sum: 9f17425c3a1322503bfc2a590767c3c5

Author: Ben Waggoner, Copyright 2005 Microsoft Corporation
License: similar to CC Attribution (see end of the credits in video)

Cool- will test "my encoder" against DS' x264 encode :)

update: or maybe not if download speed is so low :(

[LoRd_MuldeR]

update: or maybe not if download speed is so low :(

Yes, my upstream is SLOW. And I cannot keep the machine running 24/7. Hopefully somebody with a faster connection can join after the initial seed...

[mariush]

Well I'm joining the fun and I'll try to seed it for a couple of weeks - if only I can get it from you cause i see 2 peers but no download from any of them. Mulder check your YM - maybe we can working something out.

[VincAlastor]

can someone explain following to me, please or show me a good thread with offical information, please?
i am a little bit confused, in many doom9 threads i gather information about x264 blu ray compliant settings, but now i am not sure any more. are the following settings compliant for 1080p/24? or 720p/24:

--pass 2 --bitrate 4000-8000 --stats ".stats" --deblock -1:-1 --b-adapt 2 --weightp 0 --rc-lookahead 48 --aq-strength 0.5 --me umh --direct auto --trellis 2 --psy-rd 1.0:0.25 --no-fast-pskip --profile high --level 4.1 --bframes 3 --ref 4 (6 for 720p/24?) --slices 4 --aud --nal-hrd vbr --b-pyramid strict --keyint 48 --min-keyint 2(i think 1 is better, but everyone set "2") --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 15000 --colorprim "bt709" --transfer "bt709" --colormatrix "bt709" --sar 1:1 --output "output" "input"

[mp3dom]

You can have max keyint every 2 seconds (48 for 24p) only if you stay below 15 Mbps for maxrate. Since you're setting a maxrate to 40 Mbps, your keyint is out of specs. Lower it to 24 (set 24 also to rc-lookahead or simply doesn't set it). Other settings, while in specs, are quite unbalanced for a BD. There's no way to have only a 4/8 Mbps average bitrate until you have very limited space above all the fact that you have plenty of space.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Well I'm joining the fun and I'll try to seed it for a couple of weeks - if only I can get it from you cause i see 2 peers but no download from any of them. Mulder check your YM - maybe we can working something out.

Sorry, I'm not at home right now and my machine isn't running. Won't return until late this night...

But I can continue seeding tomorrow morning!

[Biggiesized]

I'm seeding the 1080i YUY2 version, but I only have about 35% done.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

Sorry, I'm not at home right now and my machine isn't running. Won't return until late this night...

But I can continue seeding tomorrow morning!

Should be up and running now...

[VincAlastor]

You can have max keyint every 2 seconds (48 for 24p) only if you stay below 15 Mbps for maxrate. Since you're setting a maxrate to 40 Mbps, your keyint is out of specs. Lower it to 24 (set 24 also to rc-lookahead or simply doesn't set it). Other settings, while in specs, are quite unbalanced for a BD. There's no way to have only a 4/8 Mbps average bitrate until you have very limited space above all the fact that you have plenty of space.

thanks i will set vbv-maxrate 15000. i am using strong denoising to compensate the bad compression results by the bd specs.

i want to set weightp 2, but i don't know how many player can't decode it correctly.... what do you mean?

[mp3dom]

The BDs are made for high bitrates. You can always use lower bitrates if you're happy by the output quality, but if you're not happy I prefer to raise the bitrate over strong denoising! BD, to me, doesn't strictly means "high definition" or "sharp images/detail" but "higher fidelity to the master". Regarding weightp, I think its use depends by what you need to do. If you need to replicate a lot of BD, it's probably better to not use it, otherwise you can use it (current players support it, the ps3 support it and the majority of software decoders support it). Also almost all pro-encoders allows to use explicit weightp so it's indeed a 'in-spec' feature.

[VincAlastor]

thank you very much, then i will set weightp again!