NAL HRD has been committed!

[shon3i]

URLs please ?
http://mirror05.x264.nl/Dark/bluray/

[MadMonkey57]

:thanks:

[deank]

I've uploaded a new version of Elephant's Dream that's dithered properly and is suitable for use on a DVD5. Tallship is uploading as we speak.

Tallship shows 349MB for the last hour. What is the actual size? I believe the last time I downloaded it might have not downloaded the complete one, because it stopped @ 3min 55sec and now I'd like to download it all :)

Dean

[Dark Shikari]

Tallship shows 349MB for the last hour. What is the actual size? I believe the last time I downloaded it might have not downloaded the complete one, because it stopped @ 3min 55sec and now I'd like to download it all :)

DeanIt's not fully uploaded yet. I'm not at my external drive, so I've paused the upload.

[MadMonkey57]

...(for info, i'm currently downloading BBB EXR files to dither through Photomatix Pro)...

<ot>nah... Taken separatelly, pictures are great, but played consecutively, there are really unpleasant changes in brightness... I was just wondering if this tool could help here but obviously it's not ment to handle movies...</ot>

[Dark Shikari]

You don't need the BBB EXR files. The PNG files are properly dithered.

It's the Elephant's Dream EXR files that would be nice to have, since the PNGs are broken.

[Dark Shikari]

The Blu-ray videos are now fully uploaded, along with the intro. Everything should be DVD5 compatible.

I look forward to the final demo Blu-ray!

[MadMonkey57]

You don't need the BBB EXR files. The PNG files are properly dithered.

It's the Elephant's Dream EXR files that would be nice to have, since the PNGs are broken.

I know, I was simply wondering if a professional photographer's software could further improve the dithering process.

...Everything should be DVD5 compatible...
I assume deank is going to author the BD5. I'll test it on my Panasonic BD35.

[deank]

Well, no one said anything about the previous one (although 40 people downloaded it), so I decided to create it again with the new videos. :rolleyes:

Torrent file (3GB) (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/AVCHD_ready_x264_demo_disc.torrent)

This one has the intro on first playback, motion menu for all titles + motion video thumbs, simple pop-up menu for each title and a title-list menu.

Intro:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_intro.jpg

Title-list:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_titlelist.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t1_main.jpg

Main menu / Chapters:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t1_chap.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t2_main.jpg

Main menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_main.jpg

Main menu / Chapters:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_chap.jpg

Main menu / Setup:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_t3_setup.jpg

Pop-up menu:
http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo/x264_demo_popup.jpg

Dean

p.s. I don't know if it is good idea to have this 25fps Tallship, because some NTSC players may refuse to play it. Also its audio is short by ~1 min.

@MadMonkey: I don't think it will work in your Panasonic... multiAVCHD ver 4.0 motion menus are not supported there for some reason. Of course you can quickly re-author it. If you want just to test it without the movies, download the torrent and untick 00000.m2ts 00001.m2ts and 00003.m2ts. It will work in PS3, Sony, LG, Pioneer players...

[Dark Shikari]

p.s. I don't know if it is good idea to have this 25fps Tallship, because some NTSC players may refuse to play it. Also its audio is short by ~1 min.Wait, what, are you sure?

Does the audio match if it's 29.97fps instead of 25? If so, I probably got the framerate wrong; I can go re-encode.

[deank]

I don't know if it will match, but here is what I have...

Audio:
WAV, 5.1 channels, 0:05:44, 24 bits, 6912kbps, 48khz

Video:
Duration : 6mn 42s

[bob0r]

Dark has made a new intro, where the bottom black bar doesn't appear and grow bigger. He should upload that aswell.

Can you make the 3 video frame-titles clickable?

Also the words in the menu aren't clickable, you need to move your cursor infront of them.

[Dark Shikari]

Heh... it seems that once we get down to DVD buffer sizes and 29.97fps instead of 25, Tallship is actually too hard to encode! It's just such an insanely high detail source that it actually begins to fall apart at these bitrates.

Thoughts on maybe tempgaussMCing it?

Edit: Seems we can't do that either... Blu-ray requires interlaced for 29.97fps.

[G_M_C]

Heh... it seems that once we get down to DVD buffer sizes and 29.97fps instead of 25, Tallship is actually too hard to encode! It's just such an insanely high detail source that it actually begins to fall apart at these bitrates.

Thoughts on maybe tempgaussMCing it?

Edit: Seems we can't do that either... Blu-ray requires interlaced for 29.97fps.

Simplest way is to do a PAL->NTSC slowdown; If you find the different pitch of the audio acceptable that is :/

[G_M_C]

Heh... it seems that once we get down to DVD buffer sizes and 29.97fps instead of 25, Tallship is actually too hard to encode! It's just such an insanely high detail source that it actually begins to fall apart at these bitrates.

Thoughts on maybe tempgaussMCing it?

Edit: Seems we can't do that either... Blu-ray requires interlaced for 29.97fps.

Simplest way is to do a PAL->NTSC slowdown; If you find the different pitch of the audio acceptable.

(personally, as European, i dont mind 25 fps :p )

[Dark Shikari]

Simplest way is to do a PAL->NTSC slowdown; If you find the different pitch of the audio acceptable.

(personally, as European, i dont mind 25 fps :p )24->25 is a bit slower, 29.97->25 is a lot faster.

As a side note, we need a credits section of some sort. It should give credit to the makers of Big Buck Bunny, Elephant's Dream, and the audio sample I used in the intro (linkage (http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=60453)) according to their respective licenses. If you're not sure how to do this, just ask before posting yet another Blu-ray. Probably best not to get 17 different torrents going until we're sure that we're done.

[G_M_C]

24->25 is a bit slower, 29.97->25 is a lot faster.

Anyways, I've made my conclusion for now: for now, we'll just use BBB and ED. I've uploaded a new version of Intro.h264 to fix Jarod's issues.

A new Blu-ray with just these two and we should be good.

NB: we need a credits section of some sort. It should give credit to the makers of Big Buck Bunny, Elephant's Dream, and the audio sample I used in the intro (linkage (http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=60453)) according to their respective licenses. If you're not sure how to do this, just ask before posting yet another Blu-ray. Probably best not to get 17 different torrents going until we're sure that we're done.

Deanks screenshots say 25 fps ?
What was the original ? 29.97, with pulldown ?

[Dark Shikari]

Deanks screenshots say 25 fps ?
What was the original ? 29.97, with pulldown ?29.97, native interlaced. As I said about twice above, I screwed up the encode.

Hmm, we could instead try deinterlacing Tallship to 720p60. Maybe that would work better.

[Biggiesized]

I thought Tallship had video and film pulldown as the source.

[Dark Shikari]

I thought Tallship had video and film pulldown as the source.Ugh, hybrid content?! :confused:

[deank]

If you're not sure how to do this, just ask before posting yet another Blu-ray. Probably best not to get 17 different torrents going until we're sure that we're done.

Well, I'll remove both, not a big deal... It takes ~10mins to prepare one and I posted the links because you asked for it.

I'll wait for someone to post the final disc authored with a normal/trusted authoring tool.

[Dark Shikari]

Well, I'll remove both, not a big deal... It takes ~10mins to prepare one and I posted the links because you asked for it.Oh, no problem with that, it's fine to have one preview up--I just didn't want you to go through so much effort to make one. If it's only 10 minutes, no issue.
I'll wait for someone to post the final disc authored with a normal/trusted authoring tool.Why can't we use yours for the final version?

[deank]

You can of course... :rolleyes:

I'm working on a problem with some player compatibility issues (like Panasonic and Samsung) but I hope tomorrow I'll get all straightened out!

Just let me know when I can download the final videos + audios and I'll go for it :) It's a pleasure.

Dean

// edit: Plus, all the menus (motion or static) are encoded with the latest r1538 x264. Once you're ready I'll encode all with the version you suggest.

[deank]

Can you make the 3 video frame-titles clickable?

Also the words in the menu aren't clickable, you need to move your cursor infront of them.

I haven't heard of a Blu-ray disc player equipped with a mouse to allow you to click wherever you want. All you usually get is a remote control :) May be there are some players with mouse support (not talking software ones), but multiAVCHD output is for hardware players mostly (or software players and using the arrows < > ^ v)

[kieranrk]

You can of course... :rolleyes:

I'm working on a problem with some player compatibility issues (like Panasonic and Samsung) but I hope tomorrow I'll get all straightened out!


You should ask someone with Sony Verifier or the likes to check it because I'm not sure Tsmuxer will be BDAV-STD compliant.

[deank]

29.97, native interlaced. As I said about twice above, I screwed up the encode.

Hmm, we could instead try deinterlacing Tallship to 720p60. Maybe that would work better.

I can see you're uploading Tallship again... I'll give it a try when you say so.

Dean

[Dark Shikari]

I'll be done when the size reaches 500459024 bytes.

[Dark Shikari]

And it's done. Have fun!

[deank]

I was just starting with it when I noticed NINE ref frames for Tallship?

As far as I know the maximum is 6 (not according to the formula, but for blu-ray compliance)... Do I proceed?

[Dark Shikari]

I was just starting with it when I noticed NINE ref frames for Tallship?

As far as I know the maximum is 6 (not according to the formula, but for blu-ray compliance)... Do I proceed?Nine? Oops... my bad, it seems. I forgot that Blu-ray has more strict level restrictions than the H.264 spec.

Re-encoding.

[Dark Shikari]

New version uploaded.

[Biggiesized]

I thought 720p is 6 reference frames while 1080i is 4 reference frames.

[deank]

New version uploaded.

You said something about 'credits' or some outro video. Are you planning on something? I have all videos+audios now, so I can create a test disc with multiAVCHD.

Dean

[Dark Shikari]

You said something about 'credits' or some outro video. Are you planning on something? I have all videos+audios now, so I can create a test disc with multiAVCHD.

DeanFor credits I just meant some section that gives basic information about the sources of the videos; can be part of the menus, doesn't really have to be a video.

[Emulgator]

Sony DVD-A 5.0b Build 180:

BigBuckBunny 1920x1080x24.000p
(2nd DS version from 2010 04 16):

x264 core93 r1538+1 d1d3d31

MediaInfo: L4.0, 3 ReFrames, x264 embedded CL: ref=4

Success this time !

Muxed without transcoding.
(Simplest project: No menu, no audio.)

[Emulgator]

Sony DVD-A 5.0b Build 180:

Tallship 1280x720x59.94p
(3nd DS version from 2010 04 17):

x264 core93 r1538+1 d1d3d31

MediaInfo: L4.0, 5 ReFrames, x264 embedded CL: ref=6

And another success !

Muxed without transcoding.
(Simplest project: No menu, no audio.)

[Emulgator]

Sony DVD-A 5.0b Build 180:

Tallship 1280x720x59.94p
(2nd DS version from 2010 04 16):

x264 core93 r1538+1 d1d3d31

MediaInfo: L4.0, 8 ReFrames, x264 embedded CL: ref=9

Even this one: Success !

Muxed without transcoding.
(Simplest project: No menu, no audio.)

[deank]

This is the latest one with the proper Tallship video.

x264 demo (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo.torrent)

Just as the previous ones this one has all the stuff. I'm not much of a designer and I didn't add any pages for credits or something. It can be done at any time later with multiAVCHD with a quick reauthoring.


// Due to hard disc failure there is a single 512kb block that is not available for download (00002.m2ts). Click here and download 00002.m2ts (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/00002.m2ts.torrent) only (your client will recheck the file and will download only 512kb).

[Dark Shikari]

So anyone here who could make an "actual" Blu-ray from this that we can post as the official one?

Or is the AVCHD version good enough? I don't think we can really call it a Blu-ray though, or can we?

[kieranrk]

So anyone here who could make an "actual" Blu-ray from this that we can post as the official one?


If nobody can offer Scenarist/Blu-print or the likes you could try Sony's DVD-Architect trial.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/trials/dvdastudio

I would have tried myself but from past experience anything that I try involving an artistic eye will fail miserably. (Having said that I'll quite happily criticise anything artistic until the cows come home...)

[kolak]

So anyone here who could make an "actual" Blu-ray from this that we can post as the official one?

Or is the AVCHD version good enough? I don't think we can really call it a Blu-ray though, or can we?

I'll ask my colleague again- last time he said that he can do it.
I assume we have all assets ready now, yes?

[Dark Shikari]

I'll ask my colleague again- last time he said that he can do it.
I assume we have all assets ready now, yes?Yup, seems that we do.

[kolak]

Yup, seems that we do.

All BD compliant?
I will ask tomorrow.

[shon3i]

you could try Sony's DVD-Architect trialSony's DVD-Architect uses little older muxing engine than Scenarist/Blu-Print, and have big problems with B-pyramid streams, and display wrong picture order, so playback will be jerky. Only condition is stream without pyramids. And it's realy easy to author. If you want make a template with trial and send me i can mux with registred version.

With Scenarist/Blu-Print, to create simple menu you need much more knowlege, photoshop etc.

[kolak]

We will do it, but I can't promise any date. It should be in next few days, but don't want to promise :)

[bob0r]

This is the latest one with the proper Tallship video.

x264 demo (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo.torrent)

Just as the previous ones this one has all the stuff. I'm not much of a designer and I didn't add any pages for credits or something. It can be done at any time later with multiAVCHD with a quick reauthoring.


// Due to hard disc failure there is a single 512kb block that is not available for download (00002.m2ts). Click here and download 00002.m2ts (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/00002.m2ts.torrent) only (your client will recheck the file and will download only 512kb).

Your 512kb block torrent is 100% already.
So nothing is downloaded.
Old torrent still at 99.9%

[Dark Shikari]

Also I don't think only one block is corrupt: I played through Tallship and had at least 3 different errors in different parts of the video (all lost frames).

[Emulgator]

In 5 days I will be back and can start making a BD-R 25 from Sony DVD-A output.

[LoRd_MuldeR]

This is the latest one with the proper Tallship video.

x264 demo (http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/x264_demo.torrent)

Just as the previous ones this one has all the stuff. I'm not much of a designer and I didn't add any pages for credits or something. It can be done at any time later with multiAVCHD with a quick reauthoring.

Is the original (lossless) source of the "Tallship" sequence publicly available? If so, could anybody point me to it, please?

[nm]

Is the original (lossless) source of the "Tallship" sequence publicly available? If so, could anybody point me to it, please?

I have a copy here. Sent you a link in private message, but others are free to ask it too. I could set up a torrent later if needed.