HD-DVD / EVO muxer (H264+AC3)

[deank]

I don't think TMT supports HDDVD (at least my version does not). It will play AVCHD and Blu-ray (BDMV folder) when you drag the folder to it, but not with HDDVD.

About chapters: it wasn't implemented in hddvdmux and I'm planning to do it in multiAVCHD. It is just not that easy.

About FF/REW and time-search: all are related to chapters implementation. Both chapter-skip and FF/REW/time-search rely on information (which is currently missing) in .IFO files.

Dean

[pkho]

Thanks deank. Great news if chapters can be added. Any chance of subtitle support other than hard-burn? That will be perfect.

I have both TMT2 and TMT3. They sure can playback the hundreds of HDDVD disc, iso and folders I have. Just not the one created by multiAVCHD. I can see the picture with sound but just pausing. You can check out forums in Arcsoft.com. Although they do not officially say it but users did confirm HDDVD support is still there. Wonder why yours not working.

Thanks again for a great job!

[yonexsp]

I tried to convert an MKV that was created from a BD into a HD DVD, but it failed.

Is this possible to do this? I read some earlier posts that hint at that, but not to sure.

Thx

[Guest]

Where did you get the MKV file?

[yonexsp]

Where did you get the MKV file?

Backup from BD Rebuilder

[yonexsp]

If I have cropped a file and it is in m2ts format, will the encode to HD DVD fail? I know the file name gets shown in RED. Just trying to go through thr steps to make sure I resize/crop etc properly.

I have one file that I cut out the black bars so now is 1920x800, and shows up RED. Will this fail?

[Guest]

Backup from BD Rebuilder Why don't you re-encode from your original disk instead of the MKV?

[yonexsp]

Why don't you re-encode from your original disk instead of the MKV?

time. I have already re-encoded them to be DVD9 so I can play them on my laptop.

But i want to be able to play them on my HD DVD player.

If I use the original BD will that be the easiest? Does that mean the backups I make with BDRebuilder will never be able to be re-encoded?

[yonexsp]

+ BD Rebuilder encodes are stunning. In movie only mode they can shrink a BD50 down to DVD9 and they look the same, quite extraordinary

[yonexsp]

what do you do when the source file is Not Compliant, i.e 4:3 material etc?

[pkho]

I tried to convert an MKV that was created from a BD into a HD DVD, but it failed.

Is this possible to do this? I read some earlier posts that hint at that, but not to sure.

Thx

I have done a few mkv from Bdrebuilder as well as straight from Bluray. All works fine to create playable HDDVD using just multiAVCHD.

[deank]

BD-Rebuilder has an (hidden) option to create HD-DVD compatible video. Using it you can have both BD9 for your Blu-ray player and once you import the m2ts file in multiAVCHD - it will create HD-DVD folder in just a minute. Otherwise you need to transcode to 1920x1080@23.976 with bitrate<8000kbps and keyint 14.

[mikeathome]

BD-Rebuilder has an (hidden) option to create HD-DVD compatible video. Using it you can have both BD9 for your Blu-ray player and once you import the m2ts file in multiAVCHD - it will create HD-DVD folder in just a minute. Otherwise you need to transcode to 1920x1080@23.976 with bitrate<8000kbps and keyint 14.

The bitrate restriction is not required. I -myself- re-encoded @9,600kbps and authored using commercial software onto DVD9 which plays on Toshiba A3.

mike

[laserfan]

The bitrate restriction is not required.But...of course there is a bitrate restriction. If the total bitrate (video PLUS audio) is too great, you'll run into problems on DVD. I think the "<8000kbps" is intended to be a "safe" value under most circumstances.

[yonexsp]

The bitrate restriction is not required. I -myself- re-encoded @9,600kbps and authored using commercial software onto DVD9 which plays on Toshiba A3.

mike

Is there much difference in picture quality between the 2 bitrates?

[deank]

1) 3xDVD HD-DVD Specification sets bitrate limit of 8000kbps - it is not my idea - that's what the specs say
2) I think multiAVCHD can handle higher bitrates with hddvdmux - I'm not sure
3) 8000 is really good number and x264 does a perfect job for 1920x1080@23.976fps, don't you think?

http://multiavchd.deanbg.com/hddvd-specs.jpg

Dean

[mikeathome]

But...of course there is a bitrate restriction. If the total bitrate (video PLUS audio) is too great, you'll run into problems on DVD. I think the "<8000kbps" is intended to be a "safe" value under most circumstances.

Please look at deank's table above. It says to things:
- Video <8Mbps (reco)
- max. 36.55Mbps for 3x DVD ROM, 11.08Mbps for DVD ROM

I use audio @448kbps, I will never reach limit. So, these speeds are 1x DVD Speed for DVD ROM and 3x DVD Speed for HD DVD on DVD media (this is the guarantied speed of a HD DVD drive in a SAP will achieve while reading DVD ROM!). Every modern drive will be able to achieve this transfer rate given you use a decent raw media. So, the only limitation could come from the VIDEO decoder not being able to handle the high video bitrate. Before you reach this limit you reach the VBV limit! AND there are much higher bitrates on the pressed HD DVDs. Don't you agree...

mike

P.S.
For a backup I want max. quality, so I will be able -in worst case- to use this backup to make another for the iPod or whatever is still to come.

[yonexsp]

Please look at deank's table above. It says to things:
- Video <8Mbps (reco)
- max. 36.55Mbps for 3x DVD ROM, 11.08Mbps for DVD ROM

I use audio @448kbps, I will never reach limit. So, these speeds are 1x DVD Speed for DVD ROM and 3x DVD Speed for HD DVD on DVD media (this is the guarantied speed of a HD DVD drive in a SAP will achieve while reading DVD ROM!). Every modern drive will be able to achieve this transfer rate given you use a decent raw media. So, the only limitation could come from the VIDEO decoder not being able to handle the high video bitrate. Before you reach this limit you reach the VBV limit! AND there are much higher bitrates on the pressed HD DVDs. Don't you agree...

mike

P.S.
For a backup I want max. quality, so I will be able -in worst case- to use this backup to make another for the iPod or whatever is still to come.


The way I read that table is that 8mbs is used as an example of a AVC encode not the limit. I.e. they use a typical exmaple to show what that means in playing time.

The limit is below 36.55Mps

[laserfan]

I use audio @448kbps, I will never reach limit. So, these speeds are 1x DVD Speed for DVD ROM and 3x DVD Speed for HD DVD on DVD media (this is the guarantied speed of a HD DVD drive in a SAP will achieve while reading DVD ROM!). Every modern drive will be able to achieve this transfer rate given you use a decent raw media.Blah, do what you want--and hope that all your players, present & future, will work with your discs.

If anyone says they can see a difference between 8000kbps and >8000kbps using x264, they're either lying, or imagining things! :devil:

[mikeathome]

Blah, do what you want--and hope that all your players, present & future, will work with your discs.

If anyone says they can see a difference between 8000kbps and >8000kbps using x264, they're either lying, or imagining things! :devil:

You don't get it, do you? The 8000 is neither a spec-thing nor a limit. It is a reco (mmendation) or better said an example to illustrate the amount of content that will fit onto a disk.

And you a wrong with your second statement, although YOU might not see a difference ONE who looks close enough will see a difference, especially on 1 pass encodes. Believe or not. You can call us all liars. BTW. I am lying in this board since 2001 and this lying started with SVCD on CD-R media back in 2001.

@deank
You surprise me: for a developer I would have expected a bit more patience for pro-active feedback, especially if you overlooked something which might have big impact. But's your call...

mike

[deank]

@deank
You surprise me: for a developer I would have expected a bit more patience for pro-active feedback, especially if you overlooked something which might have big impact. But's your call...

You may be right, but since you're not using multiAVCHD for HD-DVD authoring I don't know if it makes any difference. I won't have time for at least a week from now to do any tests, so if you can test if raw h.264+ac3 will be processed by hddvdmux when bitrate is >8000 - let me know. Of course I can change the hard-coded HD-DVD encode bitrate so don't worry.

***

edit: Now, looking again at the table I posted I'm sure you're right and I apologize for wrongly stating that 8000kbps is the highest allowed bitrate. Still a test is needed to confirm that hddvdmux will be able to mux properly >8000kbps video. :-)

Dean

[mikeathome]

@deank,
:thanks: My salutation!

I will test whether HDDVDMux will be able to accept these files and report here.

About the multiAVCHD use: I'm still using this commercial software for HD DVD creation. There are a couple of things I do not like about this way.
- can not import chapters, manual setup takes ages and automatic creates chapters in the middle of action scenes etc.
- accepts audio only @DD 448kbps (always requires re-encode)
- need an extra step of putting PD flags
- lots of individual steps requiring manual interception

Well, I have this Toshiba and I like the quality of the picture it produces, I'm now evaluating the new MacMini, very promising, might go away from all the SAPs and use a HTPC (HomeTheaterPC) in the future.



P.S.
For the use of multiAVCHD, I am sure I will use it at some time (and hold the promise from the deleted post ;-) I do recognize where you from and remember; I do have the pleasure to live in CA now...

[deank]

Cool!

I did some tests and now multiAVCHD will honor bitrates 100-17500 for HD-DVD transcoding.

I did a test with 12100kbps, it was properly muxed and played by Nero Showtime (folder mode).

If anyone is willing to test - update your multiAVCHD (with multiUPDATE) and go to "transcode" window, select "Create HD-DVD title" and set the desired bitrate.

Dean :)


[16:24:22] Initialising...
[16:24:22] Checking for new version...
[16:24:23] You have the latest build.
[16:24:23] Consistency check finished!
[16:24:23] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[16:24:23] 323 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[16:24:23] 168 people supported it with donations
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[16:24:23] multiAVCHD.dat version: [03000706]
[16:24:29] Loading original chapters (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.mkv).
[16:24:30] Loading external poster (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.jpg).
[16:24:30] Loading external subtitles: (und) - The Matrix 480p.srt
[16:24:30] Loading external subtitles: (und) - The Matrix 480p.sub
[16:24:30] Loading external audio: (und) - The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].[AUDIO].ac3

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[16:26:33] Log started for multiAVCHD v3.0 (build 717)
[16:26:33] Selected output mode: HD-DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[16:26:33] Processing one title...
[16:26:33] Processing (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.mkv)...
[16:26:33] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[16:26:33] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[16:26:33] *** Initiating video encoding:
[16:26:33] *** Original : 720x480
[16:26:33] *** Crop : 0
[16:26:33] *** Resize : 1920x800
[16:26:33] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[16:26:33] *** Sharpen : 0
[16:26:33] *** Bitrate : 12100 kbps
[16:26:33] *** Level : 4.1
[16:26:33] *** Quality : One pass (insane)
[16:26:33] *** SAR : 1:1
[16:26:33] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[16:26:33] *** Hard-subs : D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.srt
[16:26:33] *** Profile : HD-DVD

[16:26:33] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:01:00]
[16:29:06] *** Speed : 9.43 fps (elapsed: 00:02:32 - Realtime x 0.39)

[16:29:06] *** Transcoding successful!

[16:29:06] Detected frame reference count: 0 (max:4).
[16:29:06] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=0
[16:29:06] Detected audio: ID#2:A_AC3 (48000Hz 6ch) Language: eng
[16:29:06] Attempting to convert A_AC3 audio track #2...
[16:29:06] Encoding A_AC3 to AC3...
[16:29:12] Audio encoded to AC3 successfully!
[16:29:12] Added audio: A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd\_temp\the matrix 480p.t2.ac3", lang=eng
[16:29:12] Adding external subtitles (The Matrix 480p.srt) (und)
[16:29:12] Adding external subtitles () (und)
[16:29:12] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[16:29:30] HD-DVD muxing completed!

[16:29:30] HD-DVD title saved:
[16:29:30] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD1\[HD-DVD]\The Matrix 480p

[16:29:30] Compilation contains 1 HD-DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!

[16:29:30] Setting menu for 0 titles...
[16:29:30] Selected TV system: [PAL]
[16:29:30] Done!

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Format: HD-DVD player (DVD R/RW disc) (mixed with HD-DVD)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD-DVD titles
===============================================================================
Output size : 94 MiB (0.092 GiB)

[16:29:32] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD1 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[16:29:32] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!

[16:29:32] Compilation contains HD-DVD titles placed in [HD-DVD] folder.
[16:29:32] Burn each HD-DVD title folder contents (both HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS) to a separate DVD disc.

[16:29:32] You may now remove temp folder (D:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\).
[16:29:32] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 0sec of video material.

[16:29:32] multiAVCHD finished in 178 seconds (00:02:58)!

[16:29:32] End of log.


And sorry again... I have no idea why looking 100s of times at this chart/table I posted long ago I was 'convinced' 8000 is the limit, although I noticed something that was bothering me back then, but never looked again :) so thanks, Mike!

[yonexsp]

Cool!

I did some tests and now multiAVCHD will honor bitrates 100-17500 for HD-DVD transcoding.

I did a test with 12100kbps, it was properly muxed and played by Nero Showtime (folder mode).

If anyone is willing to test - update your multiAVCHD (with multiUPDATE) and go to "transcode" window, select "Create HD-DVD title" and set the desired bitrate.

Dean :)


[16:24:22] Initialising...
[16:24:22] Checking for new version...
[16:24:23] You have the latest build.
[16:24:23] Consistency check finished!
[16:24:23] Initialization finished. multiAVCHD is ready!

[16:24:23] 323 days since multiAVCHD was published.
[16:24:23] 168 people supported it with donations
[16:24:23] and you are the 881876 one to launch the program...
[16:24:23] Support multiAVCHD to extend its features and keep it going!


[16:24:23] multiAVCHD.dat version: [03000706]
[16:24:29] Loading original chapters (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.mkv).
[16:24:30] Loading external poster (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.jpg).
[16:24:30] Loading external subtitles: (und) - The Matrix 480p.srt
[16:24:30] Loading external subtitles: (und) - The Matrix 480p.sub
[16:24:30] Loading external audio: (und) - The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].[AUDIO].ac3

[16:26:29] Checking for available space and drive types (FAT32/NTFS)...
[16:26:33] Destination [D:]: NTFS, 10062.52 MiB (9.827 GiB) free space
[16:26:33] Temp folder [D:]: NTFS, 10062.52 MiB (9.827 GiB) free space

[16:26:33] Log started for multiAVCHD v3.0 (build 717)
[16:26:33] Selected output mode: HD-DVD player (DVD R/RW disc)

[16:26:33] Processing one title...
[16:26:33] Processing (D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.mkv)...
[16:26:33] This title is marked for reencoding / uncropping...
[16:26:33] Encoding process may take 10 min to 10 hours, so be patient...

[16:26:33] *** Initiating video encoding:
[16:26:33] *** Original : 720x480
[16:26:33] *** Crop : 0
[16:26:33] *** Resize : 1920x800
[16:26:33] *** Uncrop to : 1920x1080
[16:26:33] *** Sharpen : 0
[16:26:33] *** Bitrate : 12100 kbps
[16:26:33] *** Level : 4.1
[16:26:33] *** Quality : One pass (insane)
[16:26:33] *** SAR : 1:1
[16:26:33] *** DAR : 1920x1080
[16:26:33] *** Hard-subs : D:\Downloads\__TEST\1 2 3\The Matrix 480p.srt
[16:26:33] *** Profile : HD-DVD

[16:26:33] *** Encoding : One pass - content: [00:01:00]
[16:29:06] *** Speed : 9.43 fps (elapsed: 00:02:32 - Realtime x 0.39)

[16:29:06] *** Transcoding successful!

[16:29:06] Detected frame reference count: 0 (max:4).
[16:29:06] Detected video: ID#0:V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC 1920x1080, fps=23.976, ref=0
[16:29:06] Detected audio: ID#2:A_AC3 (48000Hz 6ch) Language: eng
[16:29:06] Attempting to convert A_AC3 audio track #2...
[16:29:06] Encoding A_AC3 to AC3...
[16:29:12] Audio encoded to AC3 successfully!
[16:29:12] Added audio: A_AC3, "d:\multiavchd\_temp\the matrix 480p.t2.ac3", lang=eng
[16:29:12] Adding external subtitles (The Matrix 480p.srt) (und)
[16:29:12] Adding external subtitles () (und)
[16:29:12] Creating HD-DVD structure...
[16:29:30] HD-DVD muxing completed!

[16:29:30] HD-DVD title saved:
[16:29:30] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD1\[HD-DVD]\The Matrix 480p

[16:29:30] Compilation contains 1 HD-DVD titles and no AVCHD/Blu-ray titles!

[16:29:30] Setting menu for 0 titles...
[16:29:30] Selected TV system: [PAL]
[16:29:30] Done!

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Format: HD-DVD player (DVD R/RW disc) (mixed with HD-DVD)
Name : multiAVCHD
===============================================================================
1. 1 HD-DVD titles
===============================================================================
Output size : 94 MiB (0.092 GiB)

[16:29:32] D:\multiAVCHD\AVCHD_HD1 folder created (AVCHD/Blu-ray output)!
[16:29:32] Burn its CONTENTS to DVD R/RW UDF 2.50/2.60 disc!

[16:29:32] Compilation contains HD-DVD titles placed in [HD-DVD] folder.
[16:29:32] Burn each HD-DVD title folder contents (both HVDVD_TS and VIDEO_TS) to a separate DVD disc.

[16:29:32] You may now remove temp folder (D:\multiAVCHD\_TEMP\).
[16:29:32] Your compilation contains 0hrs 0min 0sec of video material.

[16:29:32] multiAVCHD finished in 178 seconds (00:02:58)!

[16:29:32] End of log.


And sorry again... I have no idea why looking 100s of times at this chart/table I posted long ago I was 'convinced' 8000 is the limit, although I noticed something that was bothering me back then, but never looked again :) so thanks, Mike!


Does the AC3 size still have to be lowered? from 684?

[mikeathome]

@deank

I am having issues importing the raw .264 and use it w/o multiAVCHD re-encode. Build 717 always wants to re-encode.

So I did use the hddvdmux.exe from your package and did mux a HD DVD manuallyD:\HDDVD>c:\Programme\multiAVCHD\tools\hddvdmux.exe 10000bc.264 10000bc.ac3 h:\hddvd 4172724
HD-DVD MUX 0.30 October 2th 2008
ALPHA release
AVC video must be 1080p24
Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus audio supported
Example of useage below
hddvdmux.exe c:\test.264 c:\test.ac3 c:\outputdir 4172724

Stream is Dolby Digital
Audio Bitrate = 448000, Audio Sampling Rate = 48000
Audio Mode = 3/2, bsid = 8, bsmod = 0

[======| ]13.05% 500457

The .264 was encoded using the following commandline (you know it :-)c:\programme\hddvd\x264.exe --bitrate 9700 --keyint 14 --level 4.1 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --weightb --subme 5 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14000 --vbv-maxrate 17500 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 12 --threads auto --thread-input --trellis 0 --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd --sar 1:1 --output hddvd.264 hddvd.avs

Source was a VC-1 BD (I own!) indexed with DGIndexNV.

As you see the BR was set to 9700 the muxing went ok and the HD DVD created with hddvdmux works.

mike

[deank]

Transcoding raw AVC/H.264 streams is not really possible in multiAVCHD. Video must be in a container.

2nd: can you post mediainfo information of this .264 file? multiAVCHD checks the meta information of a file, encoded with x264. If such info is not present it can't detect a source as hddvd compatible (or not). It needs to see keyint, vb settings and some other things.

If I import .264 file (encoded with hd-dvd compatible settings by multiAVCHD) I get this in the log:

[06:50:55] File is encoded with HD-DVD compatible H.264 settings:
[06:50:55] The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].264
[06:50:55] Loading external audio: (und) - The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].[AUDIO].ac3

[mikeathome]

Transcoding raw AVC/H.264 streams is not really possible in multiAVCHD. Video must be in a container.

2nd: can you post mediainfo information of this .264 file? multiAVCHD checks the meta information of a file, encoded with x264. If such info is not present it can't detect a source as hddvd compatible (or not). It needs to see keyint, vb settings and some other things.

If I import .264 file (encoded with hd-dvd compatible settings by multiAVCHD) I get this in the log:

[06:50:55] File is encoded with HD-DVD compatible H.264 settings:
[06:50:55] The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].264
[06:50:55] Loading external audio: (und) - The Matrix 480p.[1920x1080-23.976].[AUDIO].ac3


@deank
I probably were not specific.

I encoded the video with these parameters:c:\programme\hddvd\x264.exe --bitrate 9700 --keyint 14 --level 4.1 --min-keyint 2 --ref 2 --mixed-refs --bframes 2 --weightb --subme 5 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,i8x8 --8x8dct --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --vbv-bufsize 14000 --vbv-maxrate 17500 --qcomp 0.5 --merange 12 --threads auto --thread-input --trellis 0 --mvrange 511 --aud --nal-hrd --sar 1:1 --output hddvd.264 hddvd.avs and tried to import the raw .264 stream (I remember I did this before and it worked with lower BRs). As you see the encode is with BR of 9700. I am curious if that lead to the behavior that multiAVCHD always wanted to re-encode it. I didn't get the HD DVD compatibility message. I'll do another try and put it in a container.

mike

[baker99uk]

Excellent work DeanK, I can finally author h.264 HD DVD's :D I know these questions have been asked already but could you post the .x264 settings MULTIAVCHD uses for encoding so I can use .x26 manually with DGIndex, also any chance of .dgi or .avs support in the future?

[deank]

I'll add .avs to multiAVCHD soon... and about the encoding parameters - you can always see them with mediainfo when you load the .264 file. The most important is keyint 14.

[baker99uk]

Great news, thanks deank, I'll try with the settings from mediainfo, I did already look at them and create a profile in megui, I'll test it tonight. I just made a small donation, keep up the good work :)

[setarip_old]

So near and yet so far - This growing collection of beautiful quality HD-DVDs (created in multiAVCHD) seem to be begging for chapters and FF/FR capabilities...

[deank]

:) Believe me I really want to make chapters and FF/REW work, but I lack the information on how to do it. I really don't have the time to go with trial and error right now (nor for reverse engineering). I'd really want to finish what I started with multiAVCHD for the next major version.

It is not that I don't want to do it - it is that I have no idea where to start from.

[setarip_old]

I'd really want to finish what I started with multiAVCHD for the next major version.Fully understood and appreciated ;>}

It is not that I don't want to do it - it is that I have no idea where to start from.If or when the time comes (notwithstanding your comment about reverse engineering), I'll gladly send you an HD-DVD or two.

[rage2wrath]

I don't know if this has been asked yet, but is it realistically possible to get support for encoding hd dvds, onto full 15 or 30 gb HD discs.

I am trying to author an HD DVD onto a recordable HD DVD and I am having a bit of trouble. MultiAVCHD seems like the most useful tool but only allows authoring of a DVD9. Thanks.

[mikeathome]

Hi,
if you have the ability to burn HD DVD 15 and 30gig you still have the possibility to use commercial software. For $100 you'll get a working solution. I posted it here in this forum.

mike


I don't know if this has been asked yet, but is it realistically possible to get support for encoding hd dvds, onto full 15 or 30 gb HD discs.

I am trying to author an HD DVD onto a recordable HD DVD and I am having a bit of trouble. MultiAVCHD seems like the most useful tool but only allows authoring of a DVD9. Thanks.

[baker99uk]

I don't know if this has been asked yet, but is it realistically possible to get support for encoding hd dvds, onto full 15 or 30 gb HD discs.

I am trying to author an HD DVD onto a recordable HD DVD and I am having a bit of trouble. MultiAVCHD seems like the most useful tool but only allows authoring of a DVD9. Thanks.

If you do manage to burn an HD-DVD be aware it may not work in an external HD DVD player, even if that player plays HD DVD's burnt on DVD, I have an EP-30 and have tried multiple brands of HD DVD's and many tricks that have been suggested with no success. The burned HD DVD's do work on my Xbox 360 with HD DVD add-on though, so I suspect it's a firmware check the EP-30 does for recordable HD DVD media, may be someone will hack the firmware like they did to make it region free, but I doubt it.

[laserfan]

If you do manage to burn an HD-DVD be aware it may not work in an external HD DVD player, even if that player plays HD DVD's burnt on DVD...Yeah I mentioned this to rage2wrath in another thread and now you're confirming it. Interestingly, that home-brew HD-DVD recordable disks do not work in settop players was supposedly also to have been the case with BD players, but in the early days of BD, before BR disc mfg ramp-up, player firmware was "eased" in order to let mfrs make BD-R discs and play them at trade shows & demonstrations. Thankfully they've never rescinded that capability in firmware. :eek:

[baker99uk]

That's interesting thanks laserfan.

[deank]

There is this guy @ my forum, who said he had no problems burning HD-DVDs (15GB) with multiAVCHD and playing them in his Toshiba player.

Here is the thread. (http://multiforum.deanbg.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=969&start=20)

[baker99uk]

Hi Dean, I tried using mediainfo to get your x264 settings and only changing the bitrate but MultiAVCHD still insists on reencoding it, the settings I used are below, any advice would be appreciated -

program --profile high --level 4 --tune animation --pass 2 --bitrate 11000 --stats ".stats" --thread-input --min-keyint 2 --b-adapt 2 --ref 4 --chroma-qp-offset -3 --vbv-bufsize 14000 --vbv-maxrate 17500 --me umh --trellis 2 --output "output" "input"

[deank]

You can always override multiAVCHD's desire to reencode :) by ticking [x] (HD)DVD compliant in "title-properties"/[alter detected properties].

I don't see keyint 14 in your settings. It won't work with other values.

[baker99uk]

Thanks Dean, I'll test it out tonight, and thanks for adding avs support that's awesome :)

[deank]

Just to let those of you using HD-DVD output from multiAVCHD:

* Latest build of x264 (r1510) with official NAL-HRD is not compatible with hddvdmux. I tried all tons of options and changes - none worked. The problem is with the nal packets and it is for sure. Probably the problem is not with x264 itself, but with the way hddvdmux is programmed. Anyway...

* Since I'm updating multiAVCHD to support x264 r1510 (both 32bit and 64bit) I'm forced to include a copy of an older build for HD-DVD encoding (included as hx264.exe in tools folder).

If you wish to continue using HD-DVD output from multiAVCHD you'll need to perform a full download of the whole package (ver 4.0).

Dean

[setarip_old]

@deank

Thanks for continuing the viability of multiAVCHD vis-a-vis HD-DVD ;>}

And a great big THANK YOU for the "alter detected properties" radiobutton, that has recently proven to be very useful!

[baker99uk]

Yes thanks for continuing to support us HD DVD users Dean :)

[deank]

There was some development with the help of Dark Shikari and rack04.

I managed to recompile hddvdmux as suggested by DS (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=152127&page=24) to support short packet start format, so it now works. I also changed the buffer sizes it is using (to get these crashes to a minimum) and made it a bit user friendly:

D:\_TEMP\multiTEMP-20100405>c:\HD-Project\release\test.exe os.264 os.ac3

HD-DVD MUX 0.30(p) October 2nd, 2008 (ALPHA release)
======================================================
Usage:
hddvdmux.exe video.264 audio.ac3 [output_folder]

Video format: AVC/H.264 1920x1080p @ 23.976
Audio format: Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus
======================================================
*** patched for AVC/H.264 short start code support
*** April 5th, 2010 (by deank@doom9)

Stream is Dolby Digital
Audio Bitrate = 448000, Audio Sampling Rate = 48000
Audio Mode = 3/2, bsid = 8, bsmod = 0

Finished

It requires just video + audio, so no need to set output folder or sector size.

At the moment I'll not include it in multiAVCHD package, because rack04 compiled r1510 of x264 with the change suggested by DS for the long start-code format and now the 'originial' hddvdmux works, too.

I'll let you know if there is anything interesting as a development.

Dean

[deank]

Since the original site is no longer available, here is a link to a self-extractable 7z archive of the original folder:

HDDVD.exe (http://rapidshare.com/files/257492234/HDDVD.exe) (850KB)

Dean

I wonder if anyone can return the 'favor' and send me a copy of the original hddvdmux package / sources?

It seems that last summer I changed something in one of the source files and I can't find what it is and I need it for some comparison and I don't have the original anymore.

In my attempt to improve hddvdmux I got it to a point where it plays flawlessly even using the EVO in MPC (while the original hddvdmux cause weird frameskips/stuttering), but I get ONE frame each 14-15 which causes a slight pause. Now I know a bit more and I'd like to make it right, so please if anyone has a copy - please let me know.

Dean

[Emulgator]

I got one.
Where do you like it ?

[deank]

You can email it to me @ my email...

BUT I just did some thinking and found out what I changed, so I recompiled and it is now okay. I'll post a link to the .exe if anyone is willing to test it.

:) Dean

[b66pak]

@Emulgator or you can use w w w . m u l t i u p l o a d . c o m and post the link for everybody...
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