GUIDE: How to Decrypt/Rip Blu-Ray Discs (UPDATED!) *Information on HD-DVDs included*

[setarip_old]

I'm apparently missing something.

Is what typically does work is creating an .ISO image file that uses UDF 2.5 and mounting it to a virtual drive, or is there something more?

If that's all there is to it, I wonder if someone would please be good enough to test my theory?

If there's something else involved, please state what that would be. Thanks ;>}

[SamuriHL]

Just tried. Failed as I expected it to. PowerDVD doesn't see the "drive" as a drive it can use. It's not listed. So no, it doesn't work.

[setarip_old]

Thanks ;>}

Did the mapped show as a useable drive for other than BluRay .ISO image files? Did it show up in Explorer?

[SamuriHL]

It showed in explorer just fine. PowerDVD refuses to see it as a drive. I'm sure if I did the open media files and went to the m2ts directly it'd see it, but, there's no point in that as it doesn't support HD Audio when you open an m2ts directly and you can't switch any of the streams. It picks whatever is default. In any case, the mapped drive idea doesn't work just as I figured it wouldn't. If you make the ISO image wrong it doesn't work, either. PowerDVD is very particular about what it'll play. It *MUST* be udf 2.5 format for BD media or it simply will not play it. If you make it with UDF 1.02, for example, PowerDVD refuses to play it.

[setarip_old]

It showed in explorer just fine. PowerDVD refuses to see it as a drive.Thanks again, for confirming and clarifying...

[SamuriHL]

No problem.

[frogman]

When you guy's make your blu-ray backups For region 1 disc are guy stripping out the chapters and creating a single eg: 10001.m2ts file in your streams folder ie 20 gigs size single file. It's a (tsmuxer option). And then create a .iso in udf 2.50 format (imgburn) "got that". Also when there is 30/1001/fps tsmuxer (when muxed into mkv container and read back using (eac3to) are you guy converting that back to the 29.x fps and is this consider removing pulldowns is this correct? I just playing around with my first blu-ray rip in some open source program offer here and trying to get a grip on the future option of actually storing on HD and much later on when bd disc and burner are reasonable price to having a real hard backup available should I need it.
Ps. My blue nose pitbull loves sony's blu ray demo disc! Somehow he thought it was a biscuit and made lunch with it.

[gonwk]

Hi QuadCoreHD,

THANKS for the Guide!

G!:thanks:

[QuadcoreHD]

It's been way over due, but I've finally got a chance to update this guide again. It now reflects truley the easiest way (using TSMuxer) to process BD discs. I know alot of people like eac3to, but I still like TSMuxer for us non-Gui challenged folks. I hope this helps you newbs out there!

Happy New Year!

[SamuriHL]

Except that TSMuxer has some issues especially when it comes to TrueHD tracks. :)

[QuadcoreHD]

Except that TSMuxer has some issues especially when it comes to TrueHD tracks. :)


I've read that as well, but I've never had an issues with TrueHD. Can you elaborate on what seems to happen?

[SamuriHL]

Sure. Try playing back a TrueHD track authored with TSMuxer in Arcsoft TMT. Then the issue will gracefully show itself. :D It no workie.

[QuadcoreHD]

@SamuriHL

Ok gotcha.

I suppose I should also clarify how I've managed to get this to work, which is that I've followed the method in my guide (using Anydvd, Tsmuxer and Img Burn) then played all .ISOs in PowerDVD while mounted with Daemon Tools.

Even though I had to use a couple of Payware programs, it definitely works (although PowerDVD came with my internal BD player...):P

Also, maybe I'm missing something here, but I too have had the same problem of TrueHD not working when playing the .m2ts created by Tsmuxer directly...this has not worked since I began processing blu-rays. Playing an .m2ts (with a TrueHD audio track muxed in) directly, even in my beloved PowerDVD produces No sound. But, again (and I've never figured out why) this problem is eliminated with the creation of the .ISO

Does anyone have any information on why this is the case?

Finally, it seems to me that, while it might be an issue for streaming to a Ps3 or 360, the creation of an iso is pretty simple (and completely succesful) solution to this...no? This seems too easy, what am I missing? LOL

[SamuriHL]

Yes, I do. PowerDVD will not play HD audio formats when playing directly from the m2ts. It will only play them from a "disc". And PowerDVD has no problem playing the TrueHD tracks from TSMuxer, but, TMT doesn't like them at all. I'm told they're playing fast and loose with the standard, but, I only know my own experience which isn't so good. I use TMT as my main player now as PowerDVD keeps getting worse and worse with every version.

[QuadcoreHD]

I agree, I'm still using PowerDVD 7 which works flawlessly.

[SamuriHL]

No, I'm saying PowerDVD 7 builds are ALSO getting bad. They're screwing up functionality in both 7 and 8. I'm not using PowerDVD anymore at all unless I have problems with TMT which is very rarely.

[QuadcoreHD]

Oh I see, sorry I misunderstood you. I never upgrade my powerdvd, and still use the version of 7 that came with my BD Rom. I'll check what exact version it is when I get home later (it's a risky game...reading and posting to doom9 while at work without the boss seeing :P)

[SamuriHL]

I'm on vacation with the family this week, so, I don't have that problem. :D But, I always keep my player up to date as you'll run into issues eventually if you don't with titles not working, etc.

[QuadcoreHD]

Ahh beutiful...cheers to that friend!

Let me ask you a question (not sure if you will have an answer however):

Is it possible that the sucess I have seem to had with the creation of an .ISO due solely to the fact that I've not upgraadeded my PowerDVD ever?

Also, I havent upgraded it yet, quite frankly, because I never actually watch my BD discs...I hate the previews and the FBI warnings, not to mention I have (and have had for about 9 months now) an obsession with having all my media on hard drives so it can be watched anywhere in the house. So, I only ever watch the titles I've bought after I've extracted streams and converted to ISO. I'm wondering now if the fact that I've never upgraded Power DVD (because I've never had a reason to) is why I've had success with my method while others have had issuess...

Maybe just a rhetorical question but I'd welcome anyone who had thoughts.

[SamuriHL]

It's because you remake the discs, yes. Extracting the video, audio, and pgs' will create a disc that is compatible with older PowerDVD versions. It's because it loses the BD-J and BD Live stuff on the disc. Those are the features that have caused us all kinds of problems.

[QuadcoreHD]

Makes sense. The only issue is that I'm not sure why (it at least seems) that so many people are thrown by TrueHD and the like...it has never once caused an issue with demuxing/muxing/playing any disc I own, and I own close to 90 BD movies at this point.

[SamuriHL]

Makes sense. The only issue is that I'm not sure why (it at least seems) that so many people are thrown by TrueHD and the like...it has never once caused an issue with demuxing/muxing/playing any disc I own, and I own close to 90 BD movies at this point.

Because those people are likely NOT using PowerDVD to play them. Either they're using another software or are burning to disc and using a stand alone player or PS3 to play them. I've yet to have an issue with one using PowerDVD. It's the other players that give me problems. Seems Cyberlink doesn't mind out of compliant streams. :D

[QuadcoreHD]

Understood.

Ok, I think I've (finally) figured it out somewhat. Seems to me however that the method in my guide is still one of the easiest around...especially for newbs like myself :P

[setarip_old]

@SamuriHL

Hi!

Other than PowerDVD, what other players are capable of playing HD and BluRay media?

[SamuriHL]

I use Arcsoft TMT myself. WinDVD 9 For Blu-ray is capable. Nero Showtime with the BD plugin was capable, but, I think they no longer sell the plugin. Those are the only players I know of that officially support BD and HD DVD playback. PowerDVD 8 removed HD DVD, but, some of us were able to restore it through a hack. :D PowerDVD 7 still supports it. Arcsoft TMT does. WinDVD never supported it to my knowledge....only BD.

[SamuriHL]

Understood.

Ok, I think I've (finally) figured it out somewhat. Seems to me however that the method in my guide is still one of the easiest around...especially for newbs like myself :P

I like the method I use. I have a guide I posted on Slysoft as I'm sure you know. It's very simple and uses BDInfo, TSMuxer, and of course AnyDVD HD. BDInfo tells you the mpls to load in order to deal with seamless branching discs. As much as I hate to use TSMuxer, I do use it for my movie only backups...for now. :)

[QuadcoreHD]

May I ask why you dislike using TSMuxer?

[setarip_old]

@SamuriHL

Thanks for the info ;>}

[SamuriHL]

May I ask why you dislike using TSMuxer?

Please don't get me wrong. TSMuxer has been an absolute must have tool for making movie only ISOs. I appreciate having it in my toolkit. So, I don't dislike it. I just find that it has certain issues with certain tasks. TrueHD. Sometimes it has issues with joining multiple m2ts files in a seamless branching title. If you burn the result and play it on some stand alones, you'll see little imperfections at the join spots. Lately I've been using eac3to to rip the streams I want to use and then muxing them back together with TSMuxer. I've not tried this with a TrueHD title to see if this avoids the TrueHD issue, but, there is hope that it might. If not, you can always use TSRemux for authoring the streams back into a blu-ray folder structure. I've not had a lot of time to play around with the eac3to method before I went on vacation but was planning on looking into it more when I got back. Also, it's been said that Slysoft is currently working on a CloneBD type program that'll do all this stuff for us. No ETA when it'll be released, but, at least they are actively working on it. I suspect this will be *THE* tool to have for remaking BD's and HD DVD's. :)

[QuadcoreHD]

Interesting news samuri (on the CloneBD program). Personally I think the process is way to easy now (isn't it more fun when its difficult:P) but I bet that would really help a lot of people out.

Also, you bring up a good point. I have never actually burned any of my beloved .ISO's to disc...I would expect that if I did, there would probably be many, MANY issues, based on what you said.

[SamuriHL]

I suspect most of your ISOs would be fine if you burned them depending on what you're playing them back on. TrueHD ISOs may prove to be an issue, and the seamless branching titles MAY show problems at the join points possibly. This is why I'm switching to eac3to to rip the streams I want for now. I wish it had an option to reauthor the streams to a BD folder structure. That'd be ideal.

As for it being easy, trust me when I say it's not easy enough yet for most people. You've seen my movie only guide on Slysoft. I can tell you I get questions on it all the time and I've made it a pretty straightforward and simple process. :) A CloneBD type program will be phenomenal for so many reasons. The only issue is we have absolutely no idea when it'll be ready. So for now, we use the tools we have.

[Woody]

Hi,

I just bought a LG Blu-Ray reader and eveything went fine ripping a Blu-Ray with AnyDVD HD, but...
I want to remove everything except the main movie, some audio tracks and some subtitles, so I started tsMuxeR.
That's when the problems started. I tried to follow guide:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137151

but the problems started already when trying to browse the BD drive. I can't really see any files when browsing the drive!!!!
Any suggestions? I have AnyDVD running and then start the tsMuxerGUI. What about the other tsMuxer file (tsMuxeR.exe).
I double-clicked that one but a window only pop-up'ed. Is that correct?

Hoping for an answer! Thanks in advance!

[SamuriHL]

XP user, right? Install the Toshiba UDF drivers (search on google for them).

[woodentom]

i have followed the guide and have my iso.

i have found that i need a dual layer rewritable BD as the iso is over 25 gig.

i am wondering when i get the iso burnt, will it play on a PS3?

[SamuriHL]

Yup. It should.

[QuadcoreHD]

Make sure to purchase quality media (especially considering the relatively ridiculous price of BD-50 blanks) :P

[woodentom]

after seeing the price of a dual layer RE (£30)....v expensive.

so can i just shrink my 25 gig + iso to fit a single layer BD?

if so then what should i use

thanks

[QuadcoreHD]

You would have to re-encode, which is not covered in my guide. I'd recommend using the guide written by Dat720 (referenced with a link in my guide) to "shrink" your iso.

[setarip_old]

@QuadcoreHD

I'm likely overlooking something obvious, but I seem to have run into a wall diligently following your tutorial.

1) Used IMGBurn to create a UDF 2.5 .ISO image file of the ripped BDMV folder (including its contents) from my hard drive

2) Mounted the .ISO image file onto the "Virtual Clone Drive" (The drive's "Properties", wuith the .ISO mounted, indicates "File system UDF 2.5")

3) Started Power DVD (v.7.3) and selected the "Virtual Clone Drive"

4) Power DVD generates the following ewrror message:A disc with an unsupported format in drive P:"

What am I doing wrong or overlooking?

[SamuriHL]

Did you select the certificate directory when making your ISO, as well? Both that and the BDMV folder need to be on the root of your image.

[setarip_old]

@SamuriHL

Thanks for the suggestion, but it made no difference. Although I know stranger things have happened, it's hard to believe that such an (apparently critical) omission in this guide by "QuadcoreHD" could have gone unnoticed for these several months since it was initially posted.

I've got to believe that I have system problems.

Again, thanks for the suggestion ;>}

[SamuriHL]

What are you using to mount the image? And what version?

[setarip_old]

@SamuriHL

As i stated, I'm using "Virtual Clone Drive" - The version is 5.4.1.1

[SamuriHL]

http://sandbox.slysoft.com/beta/SetupVirtualCloneDrive5423.exe

Please try that beta version. Thanks.

[setarip_old]

Before I do so, have you or anyone else had problems similar to what I've described - and was it attributable to the Virtual Clone Drive v.5.4.1.1?

[SamuriHL]

Yes. Cyberlink has made it a real pain at times. Just try the beta. It's quite stable.

[setarip_old]

Unfortunately, same result ;>{

As I previously stated, (based on this and a couple of other small "oddities")I've got to believe that I have system problems.

Again, thanks for the suggestions ;>}

The funny thing is, it WILL play the unmounted M2Ts file (that's located in the "Streams" subdirectory) either by file selection or simple "drag and drop"...

[SamuriHL]

Right but it won't play them with HD audio. Not really the best way to do things. I recommend trying to figure out these system problems and fixing them. The originals play fine? What about direct ISO rips of the original that are then mounted? (As in not remastered...just straight rips)

[rica]

You will now need to select the correct .mlps file from that folder, which can be somewhat tricky. It is generally one of the largest files in size in the "PLAYIST" folder, however this is not always the case. The only "good" method to figuring which is the correct playlist file is trial and error. Luckily, I've yet to have to go through more than 3 or 4 of the largest .mlps files until I've found the correct one. You will know you've selected the correct file when:


QuadroCore, i've just taken a look your updated guide, thanks.

If you don't use eac3to, the best way is to use BDInfo.

You don't have to make trial and error, it's gonna find the right main mpls at once.

Just a suggestion.

Best.

_ ___ _

[QuadcoreHD]

@rica,

You are right on, I have finally gotten time to update the guide. It now includes using BDInfo into part of the process.

Thanks for the sugesstion!