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QuadcoreHD
23rd April 2008, 21:08
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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS GUIDE IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING UPDATED WITH CURRENT/UP-TO-DATE PROGRAMS TO BE USED IN THE DECRYPTING/RIPPING/COMPRESSION/AND PLAYBACK PROCESS, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL COMPRESSION STEPS THAT PRESERVE QUALITY BUT SAVE HD SPACE AND INCLUDE MKV CONVERSION INSTRUCTIONS AS I AM CONVINCED THIS IS FAR MORE EFFICIENT BASED ON AVAILABLE FREE MKV MEDIA PLAYERS AND USAGE OF CPU RESOURCES WHILE PLAYING BACK. PLEASE GIVE ME SOME TIME AS I WORK FULL TIME BUT NOTE THAT THIS GUIDE AND IT'S USEFULLNESS WILL HOPEFULLY BE VASTLY IMPROVED IN THE COMING WEEKS. THANKS SO MUCH TO DOOM9 FOR STICKYING THIS A WHILE BACK AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL ONCE AGAIN BECOME A "GO-TO" GUIDE FOR NEWBIES.

BOTTOM LINE, THE NEW PROCESS WILL BE MORE EFFICIENT AND EASIER ACROSS THE BOARD.

UNTIL THEN, ALL THE BEST

~Q

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How to decrypt Blu-Ray discs using AnyDVD
How to rip Blu-Ray Discs using AnyDVD
How to rip only movie track from Blu-Ray disc
How to play-back your newly created track with PowerDVD



This guide will describe an extremely basic (5 (or sometimes 6) step) method of decrypting Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs, excluding all "unnecessary" audio tracks, creating an image (.iso) of your movie, and finally, how to play your newly created disc (.iso). The method described here essentially allows you extract only the feature from your BD disc, and store it for later use or burn it (if you have a Blu-Ray burner) to disc. Please note that there are definitely multiple ways to do this and multiple programs that can be used. In addition, there are many many more steps that can be included for various processing needs, this guide is meant to cover just the absolute basics and hopefully help out those who are just starting out. This guide is broken up into 2 sections: the first is devoted to Blu-Rays, and the second, to HD-DVDs.

[U]Blu-Ray Discs:

Programs needed:

1. AnyDVD HD 6.4.0.0 or higher (Slysoft - payware)
2. BDinfo (Cinema Squid - freeware)
2. TSMuxer (smartLabs - freeware)
4. ImgBurn (Lightning UK! - freeware)
5. Daemon Tools or Virtual Clone Drive (Daemon Tools/Slysoft - freeware)
6. PowerDVD 7 (Cyberlink - payware)

Step 1: Decrypt Disc/Rip Main Movie to Hard Drive

With AnyDVD HD running:

-Open TSMuxer and select "Browse".
-Navigate to your BD drive, right click and select "Open".
-under the top level folder (you're Blu-Ray disc), you will see the following folders:

AUXDATA
BACKUP
BDJO
CLPINF
JAR
META
PLAYLIST
STREAM

-Generally, all the files we need will be located under the "STREAM" folder and will be .m2ts files named in the following way (or something similar):

00000.m2ts
00001.m2ts
00002.m2ts
and so on...

Most often, will find the main feature is contained in one of these .m2ts files, always the largest one. When browsing with TSMuxer, sort by size and check the size of the largest .m2ts file; if it's, for example, 15 gigs and there are no other files remotely close in size, its probably safe to bet your complete movie is contained in that .m2ts file. You can check quickly by simply opening the file with powerdvd. You may not hear any audio, or it may be in another language, but just ignore that for now we'll deal with that later.

-If your disc has seamless branching (i.e. the main movie is contained in more than 1 .m2ts file) see the instructions below:

Open BdInfo amd browse to the drive containing your Blu-Ray disc. BDInfo will automatically begin scanning your disc (give it a few mintues, it's an amazing program!) There is a host of information compiled here, but for the purpose of this guide, we simply need to focus on the information contained in the first section. Under the "Playlist File" heading, you'll see the correct .MLPS which represents the playlist of the main movie on this disc.
-Once you have that information, go back to TSMuxer. Browse to the "PLAYLIST" folder and select the .MLPS file that BDInfo isolated for you.
-You will now see all the normal feature .m2ts stream options appear in TSMuxer. I.e. various video/audio/language/subtitle tracks
-the length of the video track should be the same as the length of your movie
-It's imporant to remember that once you've selected the correct .MLPS file, you can proceed in the exact same manner as if your disc has one main movie .m2ts file.
-Follow muxing instructions information located in guide
below.

Step 2: Mux audio and video with TSMuxer
-Open the feature .m2ts file (or .mlps if need be).
-Select only the necessary audio and video files. This can be done by just selecting the MPEG-2, VC-1, or H.264 video file and the english audio track. This will be in DTS, DTS-HD, TRUE-HD, AC3 or LPCM. The language of the audio should be displayed next to where its format is indicated. For a disc purchased in North America, the master audio track (DTS, DTS-HD, etc...) will be the english audio track.
-Once you've selected the tracks you want to keep, select "Create Blu-Ray Disk" under Output
-Hit "Start Muxing".
-this will create a folder titled "BDMV" on your desktop (or wherever you place it on your system). This folder will have the same blu-ray structure as I outlinded under step 1 of the BD disc section.


Step4: Create an .iso of the "BDMV" folder with ImgBurn
-Open ImgBurn and select "Create image file from files/folders" (Clone DVD can also be used).
-select the BDMV folder created by TSmuxer
-Click on the icon of a folder and disc to start creating the .iso

Step 5: mount image with Daemon tools
-right click on the Daemon Tools icon in the system tray (bottom right of desktop)
-select "Virtual CD/DVD-ROM"
-selct one of your devices, then "Mount Image"
-choose the .iso you just created with ImgBurn

PowerDVD should now start-up on its own and play the .iso of your Blu-Ray disc you just created.





[U]HD-DVD's:

Programs needed:

1. AnyDVD HD 6.4.0.0 or higher (Slysoft - payware)
2. EVODemux (Uknown - freeware)
3. TSMuxer (smartLabs - freeware)
4. ImgBurn (Lightning UK! - freeware)
5. Daemon Tools or Virtual Clone Drive (Daemon Tools/Slysoft - freeware)
6. PowerDVD 7 (Cyberlink - payware)


Step 1: Decrypt Disc/Rip Main Movie files to Hard Drive
-Open EVODemux
-In the upper field, click the folder icon and navigate to your HD-DVD drive
-Select the first "feature.evo file --->important info below on how to locate this file on the Disc:
- There are some differenes between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray folder structure which should be noted - For an HD-DVD, you will see a folder under the top-level folder titled "HDDVD_TS". In this folder you will find all the original files contained on your HD-DVD disc. In this guide we are processing in order to only keep the main movie - we are getting rid of the menu, those annoying FBI warnings (if you're in the US) that you cannot fast-forward past, and all "extras" (the making-of, interviews with actors/directors etc..) The main movie will most likley be divided up into 2 .EVO files in this folder, titled "feature1.evo" and "feature2.evo" or something similar. If its not, just look for the two largest files in that folder - these comprise the main movie.

Step 2: Demux feature files in EVODemux
-you will need to make a few changes in the settings of EVODemux before proceeding. Under options, make sure that "Continue with the next EVO", "Fast EVO checking" (only the first 300mbs)", "Detailed Info", "Auto Read" and "Read the .VTI file" are all checked. Open the "HDDVD_TS" and select the "feature1.evo" file. It will read the file which may take a minute or so. Once this has completed go to the "Video/Audio" tab and eliminate all "unnecessary" video and audio streams. To do this, uncheck all but the following:

Video.stream.0 (which will labled as "VC-1.steam.0" or "H.264.steam.0")
Audio.stream.0 (which be labled DD+steam.00)


-Please note that these selections will vary depending on your needs, but the above will get you the 1080p movie video and the english audio track for all discs sold in the United States.
-Hit "Demux". This will take some time. What you are doing here is extracting the two streams want to keep which combine ("Mux") back together again in the next step.

Step 3: Mux audio and video with TSMuxer
-Open the video and audio tracks you've just demux with EVODemux in TSMuxer.
-Select "Create Blu-Ray Disk" under Output
-Hit "Start Muxing".
-this will create a folder titled "BDMV" on your desktop (or wherever you place it on your system).

Step4: Create an .iso of the "BDMV" folder with ImgBurn
-Open ImgBurn and select "Create image file from files/folders"
-select the BDMV folder created by TSmuxer
-Click on the icon of a folder and disc to start creating the .iso

Step 5: mount image with Daemon tools
-right click on the Daemon Tools icon in the system tray (bottom right of desktop)
-select "Virtual CD/DVD-ROM"
-selct one of your devices, then "Mount Image"
-choose the .iso you just created with ImgBurn, make sure to select UDF 2.50.

PowerDVD should now start-up on its own and play the .iso of your HD-DVD you just created.


**Update for potential issue with Daemon Tools***(Thanks to SamuriHL)

Although I have not experienced this, it has come to my attention that there some users may face an issue when using Daemon Tools to play the .ISO files they've created. This issue can be solved by unitalling Daemon tools AND the SPDT driver, and finally, switching to Slysoft's "Virtual Clone Drive. For more information on the SPDT driver and how to unistall it, check out this link:

http://www.duplexsecure.com/downloads

You must unistall this driver separately along with unistalling the Daemon Tools program itself.


Virtual Clone Drive can be found here:

http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html




For more information on converting/encoding/compressing your video, please follow the link below: (thanks Dat720)

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137128

Good luck, and happy ripping!

MrBDRipper
24th April 2008, 01:35
Thanks QuadcoreHD.

There is another easy-to-use way(by AVGo Media Recorder) that can cover both ripping HD-DVD and ripping Blu-ray Disc, and just need one software and several simple steps. Please have a look. :)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137132

dat720
24th April 2008, 08:39
Good work there, very easy process, if only i had a BRRW drive to even bother with this (or enough hdd space for that matter), maybe you could point out that demuxing the tracks is not neccecary if they want a original 1:1 of the disc.

I have saved the guide tho for future reference... love google docs

Thanks QuadcoreHD.
There is another easy-to-use way(by AVGo Media Recorder) that can cover both ripping HD-DVD and ripping Blu-ray Disc, and just need one software and several simple steps. Please have a look. :)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=137132

Dude stop hocking your software every chance you get, you are bordering on spamming, if your software is good and gets the results you claim it does let people test it and gather some results.

Some feedback for your program:
Does not work with Media Player 11, which is kind of the default player in Vista..... Sory, misread you previous post, i thought you said it can capture from WMP, but you actually said it should work with any file WMP can play

Would be good if it didn't frame grab, as this process requires people not use their computer for at least 2 hours while this process happens, and i cant speak for everyone, but my most powerful computer i use for video work is also the pc i use for email and general internet purposes, which would leave me maybe 2 chances a day to grab a video, overnight and when i leave for work.

Another thing is some people don't even have direct show codecs installed on their machine, i use Mplayer/Mencoder, ffmpeg and VLC, which all have their own codecs and do not require direct show filters be installed to be able to playback video/audio files

QuadcoreHD
26th April 2008, 21:37
Hmmm, there haven't been many comments about this guide, i was really hoping alot of people would find this very helpful (newbies like me at least :P) Are there changes that should be made?

Any comments would be appreciated.

QuadcoreHD
26th April 2008, 21:38
Maybe i should change the title to all caps with like 40 exclamation points?????

totally kidding :P

jamd1
26th April 2008, 22:25
This is useful - I have only used the GUI's so far and not manually remuxed the audio . A useful addition would be shrinking options tho ;-)

SamuriHL
26th April 2008, 22:35
I would put a comment in there to make sure they're selecting UDF 2.50 in ImgBurn when making the ISO. Otherwise they're going to run into problems. Feel free, also, to post the script I gave you for making an ISO from a folder. That can also help and will ensure they get the options right. Other than that I'd maybe put in a section on seamless branching and how to maybe go about doing that. Looks good though.

EDIT: What I mean is how to find the playlist to open with the latest version of TSMuxer since it can handle seamless branching discs by opening the playlist.

jamd1
27th April 2008, 00:42
Looking through this again - Could the following be done.
1. Split the .m2ts into DVD9 SIZES -
2. Remux the sound you want in the .m2ts files - converting into separate BDMV folders.
3. Burn the 2-3 split files onto dvd9 and play in PS3 or Blu-ray Player.
If so would the resulting discs play without problem.
Thx for any input.

SamuriHL
27th April 2008, 00:48
Yea, it's been done that way before. You can use tssplitter to make the sizes you want and master each one into a separate disc.

blutach
27th April 2008, 02:02
Hmmm, there haven't been many comments about this guide, i was really hoping alot of people would find this very helpful (newbies like me at least :P) Are there changes that should be made?

Any comments would be appreciated.

Maybe i should change the title to all caps with like 40 exclamation points?????

totally kidding :PPlease do not bump your posts. And use an appropriate title. Please see rules 9 and 12.

Regards

jamd1
27th April 2008, 05:35
I would put a comment in there to make sure they're selecting UDF 2.50 in ImgBurn when making the ISO. Otherwise they're going to run into problems. Feel free, also, to post the script I gave you for making an ISO from a folder. That can also help and will ensure they get the options right. Other than that I'd maybe put in a section on seamless branching and how to maybe go about doing that. Looks good though.

EDIT: What I mean is how to find the playlist to open with the latest version of TSMuxer since it can handle seamless branching discs by opening the playlist.

Does this mean that when you burn the files to dvd-R with nero that you need to use the manual UDF settings and set them to UDF 2.50? ( Just when trying this nero gets upset and gives a warning message about the resulting DVD may not be playable on all systems.)

SamuriHL
27th April 2008, 15:25
Does this mean that when you burn the files to dvd-R with nero that you need to use the manual UDF settings and set them to UDF 2.50? ( Just when trying this nero gets upset and gives a warning message about the resulting DVD may not be playable on all systems.)

If you're going to use Nero, then yes, you would need to manually set it to UDF 2.50. And of course the resulting DVD may not be playable on all systems...it's designed for Blu-ray players only! :) Personally even though I own Nero I never use it for burning anymore. I always use ImgBurn.

dat720
27th April 2008, 20:46
Personally even though I own Nero I never use it for burning anymore. I always use ImgBurn.

I second that, ImgBurn is my sole burning/iso creation application... in the last few years freeware programs have gotten awesome!!!

QuadcoreHD
28th April 2008, 03:50
@blutach, sorry about bumping the post, i had no intention of violating any kind of rule.


And use an appropriate title. Please see rules 9 and 12.

Regards

Taktaal
29th April 2008, 20:09
What's the usual way to convert a Bluray movie to a format like AVI or MKV? Can you do something with Graphedit?

SamuriHL
29th April 2008, 21:01
There are a variety of ways to do it. The easiest I've found is with a gui like MeGUI, RipBot, or SUPER. It's not generally a quick process but it works fairly well. (Ok, it's not quick because I'm reencoding the video, I admit it! :D) I'm sure other people have their way of doing it, as well.

rica
29th April 2008, 21:31
What's the usual way to convert a Bluray movie to a format like AVI or MKV? Can you do something with Graphedit?

This is the way i go:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=136505

QuadcoreHD
9th May 2008, 16:48
@rica - Thanks for referencing the other thread regarding Taktaal's question.

FYI, what I'm trying to do with this guide is exclude any/all additional processing that can be done, including splitting into DVD-9 sizes, encoding to different formats, or shrinking/reducing file sizes, all this can be found in many other very useful threads on this site. Also, that is absolutely not to say i don't appreciate the input, but I think it's more useful to keep things as simple as possible here. I will do some searching and reference other threads however for those seeking additional information.

I really want this guide to be as simple/straightforward as possible and only include the absolute basics of the process, and to help beginners, and I think including that information may confuse some people. I did however update the UDF 2.50 information; i think that is extremely useful :P

thanks to everyone who answered others questions in the posts, some very legitimate questions and very good answers. Your help is much appreciated.

eternalkp
16th May 2008, 20:06
newbie here.

i tried to back up HD DVD, i used all the steps. get it to play in powerdvd 8 ultra...but NO sound. please help.

dat720
19th May 2008, 12:37
your gunna need to supply more information dude, what tracks did you rip from the disc? what format are they? what disc is it? have you tried the files in another media player such as vlc or mplayer? are you sure you demuxed and remuxed a audio track?

QuadcoreHD
19th May 2008, 15:32
@eternal,

I'd love to try and help, but just as Dat720 said, you really need to provide all the information you can. It's much easier to troubleshoot a problem when you list all the steps, and we'll figure out where things went wrong. While I know this guide isn't perfect, if you follow those steps exactly you WILL get a .iso that plays. There are no High-Def discs to date that AnyDVD HD cannot decrypt, which is the only area you may run into a problem at this point. Give us that additional info (referenced by Dat) and lets get this working for you :P

raymondtrudeau
27th May 2008, 03:09
this is a good guide but if i want to burn to to dvd9..i guess i will need 4 dvd9's after your last step what can i do next? thanks

mrginthehouse@hotmail.com
27th May 2008, 22:57
thanxs. i can rip any blue ray film with ease,and wacth it on my power dvd ultra.ive tried 2 put it on 2 a blue ray disc but the files are 2 big.
can u help.

dat720
28th May 2008, 12:37
You will need to ditch some streams, if they are still too big it's time to compress them, but that's a whole other kettle of fish that this guide does not cover.

QuadcoreHD
28th May 2008, 18:26
Dat; sorry it took so long to do so, but I just added a link to your guide in this one - i figure it will answer a lot of the "next step" questions that are appearing in this thread :P

Good work on the guide btw =D

dat720
28th May 2008, 22:42
Nice, thanks...

It's surprisingly easy isnt it.

I should probably add a link to yours aswell.

ben_franklin
4th June 2008, 15:33
We really need to keep hassling slysoft and Fengtao to have a "select main movie" feature on their decryptors for titles where the movie is broken out into many m2ts files.

SamuriHL
4th June 2008, 15:43
We really need to keep hassling slysoft and Fengtao to have a "select main movie" feature on their decryptors for titles where the movie is broken out into many m2ts files.

Why does that feature belong in a decryption program? It doesn't. It belongs in something more along the lines of "CloneBD". Maybe in DVD Decrypter's case it might belong there, but, not in AnyDVD HD.

ben_franklin
4th June 2008, 15:58
In reality I don't care who has the feature, but I would prefer it to be in a program I already paid for so I don't have to shell out more $$$$. :)

SamuriHL
4th June 2008, 15:59
There is that. :) I just don't think that type of functionality belongs in AnyDVD HD. However, that's simply my opinion and I don't work for Slysoft so my opinion doesn't count for much. :D

setarip_old
4th June 2008, 21:07
@SamuriHL

Hi!Why does that feature belong in a decryption program?If only because that's where they've appeared historically, starting with a "movie only" option on good ol' DVD Decrypter and SmartRipper...

SamuriHL
4th June 2008, 21:27
@SamuriHL

Hi!If only because that's where they've appeared historically, starting with a "movie only" option on good ol' DVD Decrypter and SmartRipper...

AnyDVD hasn't ever done so.

QuadcoreHD
7th July 2008, 21:45
Well...I've updated this again...i know i know adding info on TSMuxer's ability to directly open .mpls files is old-news, but well, it's in there now.

SamuriHL
7th July 2008, 21:51
LOL. That's good that it's there though.

EPiPH0NE
8th July 2008, 01:43
Well...I've updated this again...i know i know adding info on TSMuxer's ability to directly open .mpls files is old-news, but well, it's in there now.

Don't you need to use eac3to to fix audio gaps on some seamless branching discs? If not, it will go OOS. Just a thought.

raymondtrudeau
8th July 2008, 03:46
After inserting BD disc into your machine, navigate to the folder titled "PLAYLIST"
-Select largest (in actual kb size) .mpls file. I have yet to see where this file NOT the playlist for the main move.
-Open this directly with TSMuxer
-Follow muxing instructions information located in guide below.
does this mean you do not nead to rip the movie to your hd first with anydvd?

EPiPH0NE
8th July 2008, 07:37
does this mean you do not nead to rip the movie to your hd first with anydvd?

You never had to before. Ripping just adds time. Go directly from disc while running AnyDVD HD.

QuadcoreHD
8th July 2008, 15:30
EPiPhone is exactly right...I can pretty much remove most of the information regarding the ripping process with AnyDVD, just haven't had a chance to yet (i know, it would take like 3 seconds but I'm just to busy at work). And whatever, when I first started it felt cool to actually rip a full BD to my hard drive...yes I'm weird :P

Also yes, you MUST have AnyDVD running when using TSMuxer.

I'll update this soon.

raymondtrudeau
9th July 2008, 03:50
iam interested in putting the movie on to several dvd9...i know there is a program called HDBDSplitGUI: to split the resulting movies into multiple DVDs but where would i use this step in your guide? do i need to first rip it to hard drive then split it into 3 dvd9's then go to step 2?

QuadcoreHD
9th July 2008, 05:09
you can use a program called TSSplitter but it won't split .isos. You have to your entire film into .ts with TSmuxer and then split with TSSplitter.

raymondtrudeau
9th July 2008, 20:21
you can use a program called TSSplitter but it won't split .isos. You have to your entire film into .ts with TSmuxer and then split with TSSplitter.
so can i open the main movie from the original bd disc using ts muxer gui or tsmuxer (shat is the difference between the 2) then create it to a .ts file then split in into 3 dvd9's

EPiPH0NE
9th July 2008, 22:04
so can i open the main movie from the original bd disc using ts muxer gui or tsmuxer (shat is the difference between the 2) then create it to a .ts file then split in into 3 dvd9's


1) Mount disc while running AnyDVD HD

2) Got to 'STREAM' folder -> find your main M2TS and load that into TSSplitter

3) Split to desired size

raymondtrudeau
10th July 2008, 03:40
1) Mount disc while running AnyDVD HD

2) Got to 'STREAM' folder -> find your main M2TS and load that into TSSplitter

3) Split to desired size
ok then after i split it to say three 8 gb each i then run each one through tsmuxer and save it as a blueray file? thanks for the help...

EPiPH0NE
10th July 2008, 07:43
ok then after i split it to say three 8 gb each i then run each one through tsmuxer and save it as a blueray file? thanks for the help...

You should be able to use the M2TS files generated by TSSplitter as you wish. If you're using an HTPC/NMT you could just play the split M2TS files but if your using AVCHD, for a stand alone, you could run it through tsMuxeR and use 'Create Blu-ray Disc' option and burn to DVD. You might need Nero or something similar to create a proper AVCHD disc.

frank
10th July 2008, 18:11
Why splitting? If you want to burn on DVD then reencode with megui/ffdshow/avisynth to 1280x720p (DVD-9, AVC, AC3).
You'll get a very good quality. DVD-9 8GB is sufficient for 3 hours movie!

EPiPH0NE
10th July 2008, 19:05
Why splitting? If you want to burn on DVD then reencode with megui/ffdshow/avisynth to 1280x720p (DVD-9, AVC, AC3).
You'll get a very good quality. DVD-9 8GB is sufficient for 3 hours movie!


Splitting takes ~1-2hrs (depending on hardware)

Encoding takes ~6-8+ hrs.


That's why :). Plus, If I'm gonna take time to process discs myself I want the full retail 1080p ES video streams and, if applicable, HD audio to go along with it. I backup all my BluRay/HD-DVD projects to multi DVD-R sets using TSSplitter and once you factor in the costs of axxs to all the data and the discs I get each full BluRay/HD-DVD for $1-$3/per movie. Of cource I don't care about extras, web features. etc. For the price of one 50-pack spindle of DVD-R's($8-$10) I get ~10 full BluRay/HD-DVD's. That's another reason :devil:

QuadcoreHD
11th July 2008, 05:59
Hard drive space is pretty cheap these days too...if you look hard you can find a 1TB for under 200 bucks...

dat720
11th July 2008, 12:16
Thats sounds like wayyy too much effort, i agree totally with QuadcoreHD HDD space is cheap as these day's rip the BR/HD to a hdd and stash the original away... thats what i have done, and seens the streams are original off the disc you retain original quality.

EPiPH0NE
11th July 2008, 17:55
Thats sounds like wayyy too much effort, i agree totally with QuadcoreHD HDD space is cheap as these day's rip the BR/HD to a hdd and stash the original away... thats what i have done, and seens the streams are original off the disc you retain original quality.


Yeah, HDD storage is much easier but they're aren't enough HDD's in the world, or at least anything affordable for me, to hold all the 0's and 1's that I have. And of course my collection grows every day. I guess if I didn't have as much I would opt for HDD storage or if I was just plain stupid rich I would just buy an over priced BD burner and burn to over priced BD-R's and play in my over priced stand alone but I gotta go with what's cheapest and that's DVD-R. It works for me and saves me tons of cash that's used for other things :)

FoxDisc
11th July 2008, 20:17
Hard drive space is pretty cheap these days too...if you look hard you can find a 1TB for under 200 bucks...

I was looking at them today. Of the 8 1TB's available from Newegg, 5 are under 200 and all are less than 250.