New Decrypting Method

[laguna_b]

The source is USB 2.0 HP 100 DVD-ROM. I had a problem getting the ROM to recognize the UDF 2.5 files so I installed the Toshiba UDF driver. I am wondering if they are the problem. Does anyone have alternative drivers? The only SW that came with the drive is the Cyberlink DVD player. I have that installed but i wouldn't think it would switch back and forth between drivers but I may just check that.

[laguna_b]

Interesting:

I started wondering if there were drivers associated with the Cyber DVD SW that came with the drive. I started up Cyber DVD while DVDFABHD was ripping then after it was stable i killed it again and the BW jumped way up.

[jinjin_jp]

It's been a while coming (relatively speaking) but there are new betas of DVDFab HD Decrypter & AnyDVD out today.
@jinjin_jp
Have they fixed any of the problems you had discovered?

I tried to confirm.
But both was not fixed.

DADFab seems to have some change, it is strange.
(1)VTS_05(title 6,7,8,9,10,11) : extras (unopened scenes), replayed from menu' button.
(2)VTS_07(title 13) : end roll, replayed after main movie when selested Japanese as audio.
(3)VTS_08(title 14) : end roll, replayed after main movie when selested Japanese as audio.
---(2) is replayed when sprm(14)=3072, (3) is replayed when sprm(14) is others.

AI Scaner : remove(replace) (2)
PathPlayer : remove(replace) (1),(2),(3)
About (2) and (3), it seems to misrecognize as unplayed only first cell of each VTS in shown Info, but actually output file is deleted both VTS itself.

I'll post to each Forum.

Regards.

[Wombler]

The second disc I put in has been going for almost an hour and a half at .25mb/sec. It started at 1.5mb/sec and dropped. If it were a disc read error it is unlikely that it would be repeating the problem and at different reading rates over multiple DVDs AND two different HD-DVD players.

Try clearing out your Windows temporary folder (as well as the ones under the user profiles in local settings).


Wombler

[Wombler]

DVDFab seems to have some change, it is strange.


Thanks for the quick response.

A bit disappointing but then it's only the first v4 beta for DVDFab HD Decrypter so hopefully there are more improvements to come.


About (2) and (3), it seems to misrecognize as unplayed only first cell of each VTS in shown Info, but actually output file is deleted both VTS itself.

So if I read you correctly it misrecognises the first cell but deletes the entire VTS. Is that correct?


Wombler

[jinjin_jp]

So if I read you correctly it misrecognises the first cell but deletes the entire VTS. Is that correct?
Yes, I feel strange.
The similar thing is fixed in ver.4.0.0.0beta.

VTS_01 PGC_3 has 2 cells,
and info of ver.3.2.1.0 is ;
Unplayable cell (vts:1 title pgc:3 cell:1) is removed!
but output has only 1 cell and cell_2 was removed, though the new feature seems to be that cell is not removed but replaced.

Info of ver.4.0.0.0 is ;
Unplayable cell (vts:1 title pgc:3 cell:1) is removed!
Unplayable cell (vts:1 title pgc:3 cell:2) is removed!
and output has 2 cells which seems to be replaced.
It seems to match with the new feature.

Regards.

[laguna_b]

Quote:
Originally Posted by laguna_b View Post
The second disc I put in has been going for almost an hour and a half at .25mb/sec. It started at 1.5mb/sec and dropped. If it were a disc read error it is unlikely that it would be repeating the problem and at different reading rates over multiple DVDs AND two different HD-DVD players.
Try clearing out your Windows temporary folder (as well as the ones under the user profiles in local settings).


Sounds strange but i will try it.

Turns out my joy may have been premature. Aftera while, during the same copy, it slowed way down again. By repeating the same procedure I was able to get similar results that lasted shorter and shorter intervals. I will try you suggestion today. I will also uninstall the UDF driver from Toshiba to see if it is causing the problem.

[laguna_b]

I deleted the temp files under windows and under my profile in D&S. The ripper rips out of the gate at like 50Mb/sec and starts to drop. After 5 minutes it is in single digits mb/sec headed for fractionals. It is almost like there was a buffer filling up and not being managed properly. I still have to try deleting the Toshiba UDF file reader and try that.

[blutach]

@jinjin_jp

If a cell is unplayable, but the PGC is referenced (eg for precommands or playing other cells), then it need to be either (a) removed from the cell table and (possibly also) the chapter table, (b) skipped via cell commands, or (c) replaced with a dummy cell. If the PGC is unreferenced, it can be deleted, along with its cells.

I presume this is what the new versions do.

Regards

[laguna_b]

Where does DVDFABHD Get its UDF reader? I have been centering my investigation of the problem of slow ripping on the UDF reader as a probable cause of the problems I have been having with the speed of ripping.
Originally I installed CYBERlink Power DVD as my player. It seems to have its own UDF reader.
I later installed the Toshiba UDF reader so the system could "see" the UDF files in Windows Explorer.
Then I installed DVDFAB HD and it appears to use the Toshiba reader since when I disabled the Toshiba reader it could no longer see HD DVDs to rip.

So, what are others using for a driver/UDF reader with DVDFABHD?

I think this is the source of my problem.

[SamuriHL]

So, what are others using for a driver/UDF reader with DVDFABHD?

I think this is the source of my problem.

Vista. :) Seriously, though, I haven't heard of anyone else having problems like that with the Toshiba driver. If you're truly set on trying to figure this out, I can recommend one possible course of action for you. Remove the Toshiba driver(for now), install a trial copy of AnyDVD HD from Slysoft's site, and use the Rip Video DVD To Harddisk... option to rip the HD DVD to your hard drive and see how that does for you. AnyDVD HD has its own UDF driver built in so it doesn't require one to be installed. That way you can at least compare the results and see if that's indeed where the issue lies.

[davinleeds]

So, what are others using for a driver/UDF reader with DVDFABHD?



I'm using what came with cyberlink. Other than Iwo Jima, Fab has worked great, and updated before cyberlink. It is sensitive to dirty disks.

[laguna_b]

I'm using what came with cyberlink. Other than Iwo Jima, Fab has worked great, and updated before cyberlink. It is sensitive to dirty disks.


Interesting that you say that. I assume you are like me using XP SP2 rather than Vista (which has its own UDF I understand).

I tried all sorts of combinations of PowerDVD started then killed or kept running and the FABDVDHD did not seem to "pick up" on the fact that there was a disc in the drive. Do yo also have the ability to see the HD Disc in Windows Explorer?

I am downloading a trial copy of Nero 8 as INCD is supposed to have its own UDF reader.


I guess I will have to follow with AnyDVD trial next.

[laguna_b]

My feeling is that I have a problem getting the UDF reader to "connect" with DVDFAB or for that matter, Windows Explorer.

I come back again to the question, how does DVDFAB "find" the UDF reader? I downloaded the latest Nero 8 and it has INCD which has a 2.5 reader. I verified that INCD was running. But I could not "see" the file contents of the HD DVD with either DVDFAB or Windows Explorer like I could with the Toshiba drivers which are suspect as causing the problems of slow transfer rates.

If someone installs DVDFAB HD on a virgin machine where will it get the UDF 2.5 reader and how will it build the association?

Update:
I uninstalled the Toshiba drivers completely. If I insert an HD-DVD into the drawer, it will be recognized now in Windows Explorer (possibly due to the INCD I installed) and you can browse to it in the DVDFABHD browse window and be identified correctly. But when I select it, it is not accepted and recognized as media. It should be instantly scaned by DVDFAB. Regular DVDs put in the same drive operate as normal with DVDFABHD.

[wildchild77]

For those that are interested full details of the DVDFab HD Decrypter beta here and likewise for AnyDVD here.

DVDFab seems to have one advantage it will run on Linux, it still needs some work but seems to be getting better. Here are some screen shots of the latest 4.0 beta running on Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10.

DVDFab analyzing
http://my.afterdawn.com/wolfmanz/show_image.cfm/15076/full

DVDFab complete
http://my.afterdawn.com/wolfmanz/show_image.cfm/15078/full

I am still early in the testing and there are still many bugs to be worked out. I will be starting a thread in the Linux section to see if we can get some more people working on this.

[SamuriHL]

DVDFab seems to have one advantage it will run on Linux, it still needs some work but seems to be getting better. Here are some screen shots of the latest 4.0 beta running on Ubuntu Gutsy 7.10.

DVDFab analyzing
http://my.afterdawn.com/wolfmanz/show_image.cfm/15076/full

DVDFab complete
http://my.afterdawn.com/wolfmanz/show_image.cfm/15078/full

I am still early in the testing and there are still many bugs to be worked out. I will be starting a thread in the Linux section to see if we can get some more people working on this.

That's quite impressive! I might have to try that out. I use Ubuntu as my main OS at work and I have a machine at home that's got it installed, as well. It's my file server machine but I was going to add a DVD reader to it soon. I'm quite impressed with those screen shots. I assume you're using the latest version of Wine?

[jinjin_jp]

@jinjin_jp

If a cell is unplayable, but the PGC is referenced (eg for precommands or playing other cells), then it need to be either (a) removed from the cell table and (possibly also) the chapter table, (b) skipped via cell commands, or (c) replaced with a dummy cell. If the PGC is unreferenced, it can be deleted, along with its cells.

I presume this is what the new versions do.

Regards

Thanks for the explanation.

2 Cells of VTS_03 PGC_3 seems to be unplayed by precommand.
(1.Pre Command (JumpVTS_TT) Jump to Title: 1)

May I have question?
*(a)(b)(c) all are sayed about output of Fab? (b) is about original not output ?
*"referensed" means shown in VTS overview of IfoEdit ?
*"chapter table " means PTT_SRPTI of IfoEdit ?

By the way I foud strange thing about PGC_3 of original.
------------------------------------------------------
VTS overview
PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:01.04 / 30 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] _______: time: 00:00:00.17 / 30 fps
______________[Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] Layer Br.: time: 00:00:00.17 / 30 fps
VTS_PGCITI
PGC Program Map:
Program_1: Entry cell number 1
Program_2: Entry cell number 0
-------------------------------------------------------
Program_2 and cell number 0 don't exist.

Regards.

[laserfan]

...problems I have been having with the speed of ripping...So, what are others using for a driver/UDF reader with DVDFABHD?Hey laguna_b I read this thread today start-to-finish and came across your woes re: ripping. I have a similar (almost identical?) story to yours i.e. HD100, Cyberlink, Toshiba UDF reader (think it was advertised for the Xbox), DVDFabHD, etc. etc. and recent attempts at rips have ground to a halt such that I've aborted them.

I *was* successful a couple months ago with a single test rip I tried; since then I have a new video card, updated PowerDVD, and of course DVDFab has changed. But I hadn't tried any more rips til recently and they've failed in the manner you describe. :(

[laguna_b]

Hey laguna_b I read this thread today start-to-finish and came across your woes re: ripping. I have a similar (almost identical?) story to yours i.e. HD100, Cyberlink, Toshiba UDF reader (think it was advertised for the Xbox), DVDFabHD, etc. etc. and recent attempts at rips have ground to a halt such that I've aborted them.

I *was* successful a couple months ago with a single test rip I tried; since then I have a new video card, updated PowerDVD, and of course DVDFab has changed. But I hadn't tried any more rips til recently and they've failed in the manner you describe. :(


That is reassuring and sad at the same time. However, it saves me from going and ripping out everything installed since I built the system a week ago and installing fresh. I was able to uninstall the Toshiba driver completely using the uninstall "script" I found in the registry, so there should be no way it is interfering. I uninstalled and reinstalled BOTH DVDFAB programs. Still no change. Hopefully someone will bail us out here.

[laserfan]

Hopefully someone will bail us out here.Honestly I think this is way OT for this thread--maybe you want to start a new one?

[davinleeds]

Interesting that you say that. I assume you are like me using XP SP2 rather than Vista (which has its own UDF I understand).

I tried all sorts of combinations of PowerDVD started then killed or kept running and the FABDVDHD did not seem to "pick up" on the fact that there was a disc in the drive. Do yo also have the ability to see the HD Disc in Windows Explorer?

I am downloading a trial copy of Nero 8 as INCD is supposed to have its own UDF reader.


I guess I will have to follow with AnyDVD trial next.

XP/2 and I find that UDF reader is at 5.0. I'm using An OEM Cyberlink that is updated to 7.3.3319. Just saved my Heros Season 1 disk and it starts slowly then maxes out around 9 kbs at mid point and slows to end. About 50 minutes. Tried my new transformers and does not recognize it. Under my computer it shows as a dvd drive, right click on properties, and it's shown as a hddvd drive.

[laserfan]

I just tried again w/DVDFab 3.1.5.0 and it worked, though at 2% and again at 80% it slowed to a crawl, saying it was gonna take 5 hours to rip. Actually took almost 1.5 hours. Maybe I just wasn't patient enough the last time I tried it?

Dunno why it slows (to about 1Mbps vs. typical 9Mbps) cuz there's little/no CPU activity as well. Maybe a question for the DVDFab folks at CD Freaks.

[jinjin_jp]

AnyDVD is up to 6.1.8.9 and 6.1.9.0.
But the issue of 8 BELOW which replace playable cells seems not to be fixed.

AnyDVD seems to change the feature. It retuen to remove cells of BadSecter from replacing. It is little different from before.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2978/80450856eq6.th.png (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=80450856eq6.png)

Regards.

[laguna_b]

Well, there would be so much to repeat..besides I am making progress(?).

I took an old XP installation on another disk. It never had the Toshiba drivers. I installed Nero and got virtually the same results. (DVDFAB would not see the DVD) On examination I determined that INCD was not loading. With out going into a lot of detail, the prior test must have used INCD 4x not 5x. Incd 5x needs a separate download from Nero. After I downloaded it and installed it, the problem was still the same.

As it turns out I had an HD DVD I needed to rip. So I figured I would reinstall the Toshiba driver which worked albeit slow.

To my surprise it started up and has been increasing in xfer rate the longer it runs! It is not a firehorse but it started at 1.5 and up to 8.5mb/sec at about the 80% ripped level. What a kick!

Tomorrow I will try installing the INCD to my regular Windows Media XP system and see what we get.

Updated after adding InCD to XP Media Center:
WOW...so close to a solution....but the InCD prevents DVDFABHD from seeing the disc in the case of an HD disc :(

[blutach]

@jinjin_jp

Clearly, IF PGC3 is played, it will have a conflict between the cell table and the VCID. From what you say, it isn't played anyway and possibly can be removed. But I'd change it to cell 1.

A PGC is unreferenced if it can not be entered at all - even via the remote (PUOps will generally play a part in this). Sometimes, PgcEdit sees a PGC as called, but it is really unreferenced since it can only be called by itself (eg by a LinkTail PGC cell command) or by something else which is unreferenced. In this manner, PgcEdit is a bit conservative. Video which is in unreferenced PGCs, if it does not appear elsewhere, is "unreferenced material". Technically, this is how DVD Shrink works:

DVD Shrink checks the VMG_V_ADMAP and so knows exactly how many vobus are in the VOBS file, and where each one begins.

Then it checks the C_POSIT table for each cell in each title. The C_POSIT table contains a list of all the cell and vob_id's that are used by that title.

Then it checks the C_ADT and for each cell and vob_id creates a list of every vobu that is used by that title.

Then it checks the V_ADMAP again, and if there are more vobus in the V_ADMAP than accounted for by all titles, the unaccounted vobus go into "Unreferenced Material" folder.

As far as your question about (a), (b) and (c), all 3 methods are valid for the original to ensure good navigation and playback. But typically, in advanced schemes, (b) is most seen.

The chapter table is VTS_PTT_SRPT not VMG (which is a summary of total chapters).

Hope this helps.

Regards

[jinjin_jp]

@jinjin_jp

Clearly, IF PGC3 is played, it will have a conflict between the cell table and the VCID. From what you say, it isn't played anyway and possibly can be removed. But I'd change it to cell 1.
Yes. PGC3 isn't obviously played because jumps to other title before played by precommand. (as I posted in #217 of this thread.)
What I wanted to say is that though all 2 cells are unplayable, Fab 3.2.1.0 recongnize only cell_1 as unplayable, now Fab 4.0.0.0b is fixed and recongnize all 2 cells as unplayable.

Technically, this is how DVD Shrink works:
Thanks for explanation.
I can understand more clear.
C_POSIT table seems to be reflected VTS overview if edited.
VMG_V_ADMAP means VTS_V_ADMAP ?

As far as your question about (a), (b) and (c), all 3 methods are valid for the original to ensure good navigation and playback. But typically, in advanced schemes, (b) is most seen.
My question was understandable.
(a)removed from the cell table ;
used in original DVD(for example unreferenced material), and used in AnyDVD and DVDFAb for unplayable cell.
(b)skipped via cell commands
used in original DVD(for example RipGuard, ARccOS)
(c)replaced with a dummy cell
used in AnyDVD and DVDFAb for unplayable cell.

Regards.

[blutach]

VMG_V_ADMAP means VTS_V_ADMAP ?
I guess he meant for the address map tables in both VMGM and VTS.

Regards

[jinjin_jp]

@blutach
I understand. Thanks.

Regards.

[Wombler]

As far as your question about (a), (b) and (c), all 3 methods are valid for the original to ensure good navigation and playback. But typically, in advanced schemes, (b) is most seen.


So in the context of jinjin_jp's results where does this leave us?

Are there still problems that need to be rectified or were the different programs merely dealing with the protection in different but equally valid ways?


Wombler

[jinjin_jp]

The problem of DVDFabDecrypter and AnyDVD which removes playable cells has not been fixed at all for about a month though many update.
It seems to be very difficult to fix.

Regards.

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

The problem of DVDFabDecrypter and AnyDVD which removes playable cells has not been fixed at all for about a month though many update.
It seems to be very difficult to fix.

Regards.

Read the thread you started on the Slysoft forum.

[jinjin_jp]

@DrinkLyeAndDie

Thanks for the info. I've not noticed and posted though confirmed every versions.
I posted to it now.

Regards.

[fengtao]

Hi jinjin_jp,

I think I find a way to fix the problem, and I'll find some time to do this job :)

Best Regards,
Fengtao

[DrinkLyeAndDie]

@DrinkLyeAndDie

Thanks for the info. I've not noticed and posted though confirmed every versions.
I posted to it now.

Regards.

From the response to your post I think the next release will fix this.

[wildchild77]

Hi jinjin_jp,

I think I find a way to fix the problem, and I'll find some time to do this job :)

Best Regards,
Fengtao

That sounds like good news! keep up the great work!

I was able to back up Hairspray R1 with DVDFab 4.0.1.4 on my Ubuntu set-up running Wine 0.9.46 with no problems. Testing has gone very well so far.

[Wombler]

Hi jinjin_jp,

I think I find a way to fix the problem, and I'll find some time to do this job :)

Best Regards,
Fengtao

Great news Fengtao. :cool:


Kudos to jinjin_jp for spotting this problem in the first place and taking considerable time to analyse/report all the results. :cool:


Thanks also to Blutach for his invaluable technical expertise (I've increased my knowledge quite considerably as a result of your responses to this thread).:thanks:


Wombler

[Wombler]

That sounds like good news! keep up the great work!

I was able to back up Hairspray R1 with DVDFab 4.0.1.4 on my Ubuntu set-up running Wine 0.9.46 with no problems. Testing has gone very well so far.

Version 4.0.1.6 has been available for a couple of days now.

In case you want to test the latest version.


Wombler

[jinjin_jp]

I think I find a way to fix the problem, and I'll find some time to do this job

Thanks very much. Please ask me if you need any info.
At least there was some difference between output of ver.3.2.1.0 and 4.0.0.0beta. I didn't noticed any others.

Regards.

[poisson]

@bourtzovlakas

Hi!

Although it's not specifically stated, my interpretation is that the described methodology should be capable of circumventing the type of protection used on the German releases of "Das Parfum" and very few others - that had, among other things (If I understand correctly) multiple .IFOs with the same name.

Thusfar, to my knowledge, that is still the [COLOR="DarkRed"]ONLY protection scheme that RipIt4Me cannot conquer . . . .

Maybe this explains why I'm having so much trouble, including trying Ripit4me, "getting on top of", "The Lives Of Others", a German film . . .

[setarip_old]

@poisson

Hi!

Nope - It's a SONY (typically "ARccOS" copy protection - and not the protection spoken of here) release.

I had no trouble successfully copying the R1 version of "The Lives of Others", using RipIt4me v.1.6.4.

Try cleaning the DVD...

Reboot and then use RipIt4Me before trying anuy other ripping program (Or, hold down the "Shift" key while loading the DVD)

[poisson]

[Color=Blue] . . . I had no trouble successfully copying the R1 version . . . .

Um . . . excuse the ignorance . . . what's "R1"?

[SamuriHL]

Um . . . excuse the ignorance . . . what's "R1"?

Region 1.

[poisson]

[Color=Blue] . . . I had no trouble successfully copying "The Lives of Others", using RipIt4me v.1.6.4. . . . .

I must admit, I thought I was on a winner for sure when I ran Ripit4me. (V 1.7.1.0 with Decrypter V 3.5.4.0) I was curious to see it uses DVDDecrypter which I'd tried repeatedly without success . . .??

I've cleaned the DVD a FEW times. I even got a 2nd disk (R4) that was cleaned "professionally" in one of those groovy machines.

I haven't tried your other suggestions of rebooting and/or rebooting holding down the shift key.

I'm just about driven to obsession in winning this one so I appreciate and am willing to try any suggestions!!

Thanx guys!!

[setarip_old]

I even got a 2nd disk (R4) that was cleaned "professionally" in one of those groovy machines.You didn't, I hope, have this brand new purchased DVD polished BEFORE you tried copying it, did you?

[poisson]

You didn't, I hope, have this brand new purchased DVD polished BEFORE you tried copying it, did you?

Er . . . . I did actually . . . ? Bad Move?

I tried all your other suggestions. It seems to copy it (to hard disk) OK then reckons there's either dust or scratches here and there . . . of which I'm pretty sute there isn't . . . THEN attempts to re-rip quite a few of the main VOB files and that's where the "fun" starts and all comes to a grinding halt pretty much . . .!?

So . . . um POLISHING . . . what do I need to know?

[blutach]

Sounds like the disk is badly damaged. Try to exchange it (if you haven't butchered it too much).

Regards

[poisson]

Sounds like the disk is badly damaged. Try to exchange it (if you haven't butchered it too much).

Regards

OK . . . So based on the provided info, you personally wouldn't hold out much hope of a decryptive success here with this particular disk?

[blutach]

Usually RipIt4Me's routines with respect to notifying you about scratches are pretty spot on. You can get a second opinion by running the disk through Ner0 CD-Speed's CRC test.

But, based on the info, sounds like the disk is damaged.

Regards

[poisson]

[color=blue]Usually RipIt4Me's routines with respect to notifying you about scratches are pretty spot on.

OK . . . Thanx Les.

One other thing . . . I rarely, well never actually, do any maintenance on my D Drive. Is there any chance some kind of (physical) clean up might be warranted? A lens clean?

In the meantime, I may as well put the disk thru Nero. I'm curious!

[blutach]

If this is the only disk that is misbehaving, then your reader is probably OK. If you are getting lots of errors, it might be time for a drive clean or replacement.

Regards