New Decrypting Method [Archive] - Page 4

Wombler

13th October 2007, 19:55

From what I can see it does more than simply zip the IFOs. It gives the status window text, the AnyDVD log that now contains filter drivers that are installed plus information about the disc, and a few other diagnostic things that could potentially help them troubleshoot. It's a welcome addition I think.

I've suggested to Fengtao that they add something similar to the save IFO option in DVDFab HD Decrypter.
He thinks it's a good idea and it's now going to be added into the next version!

Wombler

SamuriHL

13th October 2007, 20:40

I've suggested to Fengtao that they add something similar to the save IFO option in DVDFab HD Decrypter.
He thinks it's a good idea and it's now going to be added into the next version!

Wombler

Awesome. It's a very good thing to have.

jinjin_jp

13th October 2007, 23:50

@Wombler
Thanks for explanation. DVDFab seems not to be stable.

About AnyDVD,
when simply copy-paste or combined DVDDecrypter, some sectors and V/C-ID are jumped. Is it legal ?
For example, if Cell_2 has BadSector,
Cell_1 V/C-ID=1/1 sector= 0 to 9 => not changed
Cell_2 V/C-ID=1/2 sector=10 to 19 => replaced to V/C-ID=1/1
Cell_3 V/C-ID=1/3 sector=20 to 29 => not changed
So in ripped files, V/C-ID jumps tp 1/3 from 1/1 and sector=10 to 19 doesn't exist.
When used AnuDVD Ripper, it seems to be obviously legal.
Cell_1 V/C-ID=1/1 sector= 0 to 9 => not changed
Cell_2 V/C-ID=1/2 sector=10 to 19 => replaced to V/C-ID=1/1
Cell_3 V/C-ID=1/3 sector=20 to 29 => altered to V/C-ID=1/2 sector=10 to 19 (moved)

Regards.

blutach

14th October 2007, 02:32

@jinjin_jp

Jumping sectors and VCIDs is legal. Of course, there will be STC discontinuities and non-seamless cells at the cell 2 boundary. Now, if the result has sectors 10-19 in it and they have not been fixed to make them readable (eg by replacing them with stuffing packs), then you would reach cell 3 and have playback problems.

More elegant is to remove all tiny cells from the PGC.

Regards

jinjin_jp

14th October 2007, 02:55

@blutach
Thanks for the explanation. I understand.

I remember RipGuard has similar feature, it has sectors which has no V/C-ID before V/C-ID=1/1.

Regards.

setarip_old

14th October 2007, 03:04

"SamuriHL" stated:Because AnyDVD was not updated to handle the latest protections as found on Blade HoC, Full of It, and a few others.

"jinjin_p"stated:I have interest and tried to use DVDFabHDDDecrypter(3.2.1.0) and AnyDVD(6.1.8.4).
Both seems to be changed excluding new scanner function.
Protected cells remain in VTS overview with replaced, The last version which I tested i.e; DVDFabHDDDecrypter(3.1.2.0b) and AnyDVD(6.1.4.3) removed protected cells in VTS overview.

If I understand both statements correctly, it would appear that they can't both be correct...

(I added red color and bold type in the quotes)

SamuriHL

14th October 2007, 03:16

"jinjin_p"stated:

Both seems to be changed excluding new scanner function.

If I understand both statements correctly, it would appear that they can't both be correct...

(I added red color and bold type in the quotes)

I'm not sure I fully understand what he's saying there, but, the updates were all in the AI Scanner code. If you disable the AI Scanner, it will fail on Blade HoC quite spectacularly. The old heuristics code has NOT been updated since 6.1.7.4 afaik.

jinjin_jp

14th October 2007, 05:11

What I want to say is like below figure.
(difference remove(older version) and replace(newest version))
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4965/29322426ni4.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29322426ni4.jpg)
***about DVDFabHDDDecrypter, independent on whether PathPlayer is enable or disable.

@SamuriHL
If you disable the AI Scanner,
Where is the setting for choosing disable or enable?
I can't find any setting about AI scanner.

Regards.

jinjin_jp

14th October 2007, 12:00

About "Path player" I felt strange.
It is not for BadSector but for UnplayanleCells?
Even if set Disable, it shows "potential bad sector protections are removed!".
When Enable, it addly shows "Unplayable cell is removed!".

I misunderstood. "Path player" seems to be related with BadSector.
For example "Attach Foece",
when disable (failure to decrypt), it shows
1 fake vts protections are removed!
5 potential bad sector protections are removed!
when enable (succeed to decrypt), it shows
5 fake vts protections are removed!
2 potential bad sector protections are removed!
"Enable" seems to be more complete.
But I feel it strange till that "disable" is inferior than old versions.

Regards.

Wombler

14th October 2007, 13:53

DVDFab seems not to be stable.

DVDFab is very stable as it has been developed and improved over a long period.

There have been no reports of stability issues on any of the support forums.

If you are having difficulties then there must be a problem somewhere else on your system.

Wombler

Wombler

14th October 2007, 13:56

Where is the setting for choosing disable or enable?
I can't find any setting about AI scanner.

Regards.

Click on the settings icon (a small star shaped symbol at the upper right of the window).

There's a separate section for PathPlayer settings and you can change them as you wish from here.

Wombler

SamuriHL

14th October 2007, 14:27

@SamuriHL

Where is the setting for choosing disable or enable?
I can't find any setting about AI scanner.

Regards.

If you go to AnyDVD settings, Video DVD, settings, at the bottom is a drop down for the AI Scanner settings. By default it is set to Very Fast.

jinjin_jp

14th October 2007, 14:36

DVDFab is very stable ...
... there must be a problem somewhere else on your system.
I didn't want to say "not stable" related with system or like.
Its decrypted files doesn't have extras because mis-recognize as unplayable cells. I think it problematic at least now. Perhaps it will be fixed.

Click on the settings icon (a small star shaped symbol at the upper right of the window).
Thanks.
Yes, it is about setting of DVDFabHDDecrypter. I know it.
What I can't find is about AI Scanner of AnyDVD.

Regards.

SamuriHL

14th October 2007, 14:38

What I can't find is about AI Scanner of AnyDVD.

Regards.

See my answer above.

Wombler

14th October 2007, 14:43

IThanks.
Yes, it is about setting of DVDFabHDDecrypter. I know it.
What I can't find is about AI Scanner of AnyDVD.

Regards.

Oops sorry about that.

I mustn't have had my brain in gear. :)

Wombler

jinjin_jp

14th October 2007, 14:47

@SamuriHL
Thanks for the answer. I'll compare them.
(I noticed your answer after my previous post. I need to spend much time for post in English.)

Regards.

SamuriHL

14th October 2007, 15:59

No problem. Good luck. For the record, it's best to leave that setting on default unless you're just testing something. The Very Fast setting works with all known discs so far.

jinjin_jp

14th October 2007, 17:06

I compared enable(very fast) and disable AI Scanner.
When disable, the number of potential bad sector protections is reduced, but there seems to be no problem.
And it is interesting that output is similar to old vesion. (like 6.1.4.3 in figure of post #158)
But I found the bug, it remove(replace) playable cells when enable. There is no problem when disable.

AI Scanner and PathPlayer seem to mis-recognize playable cells as unplayable and remove(replace) sometimes.
Presently AI Scanner is much better than PathPlayer about frequency of mis-recognize.

Regards.

setarip_old

14th October 2007, 17:36

@jinjin_jp

Hi!AI Scanner and PathPlayer seem to mis-recognize playable cells as unplayable and remove(replace) sometimes.Would you please be good enough to state the Region and Title of one or more of the DVDs you've tested, that have yielded these problematic results?

jinjin_jp

14th October 2007, 23:53

＠setarip_old
DVD title : 8 BELOW, Region-2(Japan)
Mis-recognized titles :
(1)VTS_05(title 6,7,8,9,10,11) : extras (unopened scenes), replayed from menu' button.
(2)VTS_07(title 13) : end roll, replayed after main movie when selested Japanese as audio.
(3)VTS_08(title 14) : end roll, replayed after main movie when selested Japanese as audio.
---(2) is replayed when sprm(14)=3072, (3) is replayed when sprm(14) is others.

AI Scaner : remove(replace) (2)
PathPlayer : remove(replace) (1),(2),(3)

When not used AI Scaner and PathPlayer, all remains.

Regards.

blutach

15th October 2007, 00:23

@jinjin_jp

It might be that your excluded titles in DVD Fab are due to missed BOVs. Have you tried in to mess around with the settings. 300/30 seems too fast to pick up BOVs. 300/6 seems better.

Also, and I am not sure if the scanners test this, but they should also always test the first and last navpacks of a cell for BOVs (irrespective of the scan variables) to maximise the chances of BOVs being picked up.

Regards

setarip_old

15th October 2007, 00:32

@jinjin_jp

Thanks for providing details ;>}

Interesting that both would improperly deal with (If your R2 DVD has the same copy protection as R1) the simple "RipGuard" copy protection of this mid-2006 release...

jinjin_jp

15th October 2007, 00:53

It might be that your excluded titles in DVD Fab are due to missed BOVs. Have you tried in to mess around with the settings. 300/30 seems too fast to pick up BOVs. 300/6 seems better.

I tryed 10/1, but the result seems to be same.

Regards.

blutach

15th October 2007, 06:36

10/1 would be bad. It would mean a cell of length 10 seconds or less! Every other would be ignored.

To make for a deeper scan for BOVs, maybe set it to 500/1 (although 6 should catch them, especially if first and last navpacks are scanned).

Regards

Wombler

15th October 2007, 08:45

blutach

15th October 2007, 09:05

More than likely, he is tracing in PgcEdit or DVDRMP or playing and watching registers in Ifoedit (or just playing in a software player).

IIRC, there was at least one DVD that was authored very badly - Freedomland R1 - that when you selected the aspect ratio (it wasn't loaded directly by reading SPRM(14)), the DVD did not let you reselect it and you had to eject and reload. Also on that DVD, IIRC, was some poor authoring of the extras (they were circular, IIRC).

However, to select an audio stream and have certain cells replayed seems totally illogical (and we know that DVDs are not authored this way). A cell command has probably gotten screwed up.

Path Player is new to DVD Fab and AI is new to AnyDVD, so you can expect some teething problems. jinjin should email the developers with his specific concerns.

Regards

jinjin_jp

15th October 2007, 14:42

@blutach

I re-tryed 300/6 and 500/1, but result was same.

@Wombler
Can I ask in what way you are detecting these differences?
Is there software that does this or are you viewing each title manually?
At first confirming what cells are recognized as unplayable cells by DVDFab. DVDFab shows most numbers, and I can know its VTS/PGC/CELL.
Next, comparing original and output of each decrypting software, and confirming each cell is removed(replaced) or remains.
Next, assuming each removed-cell is playable or not by watching replayed movie, and what kind of (extra, roll end, extra).
Next, confirming playable cells which I assumed are actually so by PgcEdit TraceMode as blutach say. But this needs try-and-error.
(PgcEdit is very useful. It can set sprm(14) by Virtual Player Setup, and show gprm and sprm, and replay each cell.)

Regards.

Wombler

15th October 2007, 21:42

Path Player is new to DVD Fab and AI is new to AnyDVD, so you can expect some teething problems. jinjin should email the developers with his specific concerns.

Regards

Funny enough I was thinking that myself. The developers of both DVDFab & AnyDVD would be most interested in his findings.

Wombler

Wombler

15th October 2007, 21:57

@Wombler

At first confirming what cells are recognized as unplayable cells by DVDFab. DVDFab shows most numbers, and I can know its VTS/PGC/CELL.
Next, comparing original and output of each decrypting software, and confirming each cell is removed(replaced) or remains.
Next, assuming each removed-cell is playable or not by watching replayed movie, and what kind of (extra, roll end, extra).
Next, confirming playable cells which I assumed are actually so by PgcEdit TraceMode as blutach say. But this needs try-and-error.
(PgcEdit is very useful. It can set sprm(14) by Virtual Player Setup, and show gprm and sprm, and replay each cell.)

Regards.

Hmmm I was hoping that you had found some easier way of doing it. That sounds rather time consuming.

As Blutach has suggested it would be great if you would contact Fengtao & Ting and Slysoft regarding your results as I'm sure they'll find them very useful.

Slysoft have their own AnyDVD forum (http://forum.slysoft.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18)and Fengtao & Ting are most easily contacted via CDFreaks DVDFab forum (http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=116).

You would be doing us all a favour by reporting these problems.

Wombler

jinjin_jp

16th October 2007, 00:09

I posted this info to each Forum.

Regards.

Wombler

16th October 2007, 08:25

I posted this info to each Forum.

Regards.

Thanks for taking the time to do that.:thanks:

I'm sure the guys here appreciate your efforts.

I'll be interested to see what reponses you get as both SlySoft and Fengtao/Ting are normally exceptionally quick at tackling problems.

Wombler

SamuriHL

16th October 2007, 12:35

Slysoft will probably be a little delayed in getting to this. I've heard they're hard at work on the BD+ and MBKV4 stuff right now. Plus there appears to be a bug in the latest AnyDVD that is not related to the AI Scanner that needs to be fixed. Nonetheless it's very much appreciated that you posted that information and I'm sure they'll take a look at it as soon as they can.

fengtao

17th October 2007, 03:45

Hi jinjin_jp,

Thank you very much for the bug report.

I'll check it out asap.

Best Regards,
Fengtao

Ajax_Undone

17th October 2007, 05:46

Hey Fengtao why dont you make your software work on Ubuntu...

Figured Id ask..

fengtao

17th October 2007, 08:29

cweb

17th October 2007, 10:47

Hi Ajax,

In fact, the core is completely written by c/c++, which should can be compiled on linux with gcc. But the UI is hard to transfer, since it's written by mfc, only on windows.

Best Regards,
Fengtao
Hi, I found this in case it may be of help...

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-mfc/

mc2man

17th October 2007, 23:13

The latest free ver. (3210) does work correctly in wine-fully tested
Platinum ver. also works unless your using plextor drive

wildchild77

19th October 2007, 07:23

The latest free ver. (3210) does work correctly in wine-fully tested
Platinum ver. also works unless your using plextor drive

That may explain my problems getting DVD Fab running on Wine as I am still using my trusty old PX-712

wildchild77

19th October 2007, 10:57

Running Ubuntu Edgy 6.10 and Wine 0.9.30 I was able to get DVDFab to run in full movie and movie only to rip and open in DVD Shrink

What does not work

Can not change anything under the settings tab and when opening DVDFab while analysing the disk my desktop goes blank in the upper taskbar. This also happened with DVD shrink and was fixed by changing a setting which I can not remember at the moment.

Anyways this is very good news!

@mc2man maybe you could start another thread on how you got DVDFab working and any issues you have had.

mc2man

19th October 2007, 22:11

@wildchild77 just tried platinum with different drive - all the functions from main gui are working, rips are good
As far as the preference menu not great yet - info is displayed, all the buttons work but mouse is nonfunctional on tree in left box. (just noticed keyboard can access the additional settings so there's hope there)
As far as plextor if you can disable read ahead (in dvdfab settings, not hdparm) that may help (too bad it's not a default setting)
will post what I've found to work later in linux thread

got the preferences working - arrow buttons on keyboard till gui goes nuts - then mouse works

@mc2man maybe you could start another thread on how you got DVDFab working and any issues you have had.
doesn't need a thread - couldn't be simpler - wine ver.'s ....46,.47 work ootb, set to nt4.0, no added and or override dlls
You should make a copy of existing sys.32 in case the upgrade/install creates a new one and if so paste it in. Won't hurt anything and keeps all your other progs. going. (if you've replaced riched20 you need the wine ver.(2.5kb) for vobblanker

laguna_b

24th October 2007, 21:39

Hi Fengtao,

I posted this elsewhere so forgive the repetition:

Using DVDfabHD for HD-DVDs I get widely varied results as far as rip speed. It starts off really fast at about 10-30mb/sec. Then it starts dropping down as low as .5Mb/sec.

Processors are just idling and memory is barely used. The DVD drive is an HP (got the same results with the XBOX HD drive) on USB 2.0.

I can xfer the files onto the hard drive very fast but then I can't choose the hard drive as a source. (would be a nice feature)

Any ideas here?

Thanks,

Barry

Wombler

24th October 2007, 22:04

It's been a while coming (relatively speaking) but there are new betas of DVDFab HD Decrypter & AnyDVD out today.

DVDFab HD Decrypter has had a major update with completely rewritten DVD structure cleaning module and a spruced up interface.

AnyDVD seems to have had some compatibility and bug fix updates.

For those that are interested full details of the DVDFab HD Decrypter beta here (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f116/dvdfab-4-0-0-0-beta-230526/) and likewise for AnyDVD here (http://club.cdfreaks.com/f88/discussion-thread-anydvd-6-1-8-6-beta-230536/).

@jinjin_jp

Have they fixed any of the problems you had discovered?

Wombler

laguna_b

24th October 2007, 22:26

I just checked the website and Version 3.2.1.0 released Oct 10 (two weeks ago) seems to be the latest. That is the version I have been using.

Is there one I am not aware of?

Thx,

Barry

OOOOPS Hold the presses! I clicked on your link and there is version 4. Let me try it and get back with the results...thanks again!

laguna_b

24th October 2007, 23:03

I have to wait to fully test DVDFABHD V4 but I wasn't able to get it to recognize sourcing of HD encrypted files from my HD. Was that changed to add as a feature this release or still not a feature?

I am still slowly ripping an HD now so I have to wait for it to complete on that PC to do the upgrade.

laguna_b

24th October 2007, 23:53

Well the results seem similar. The movie is Casablanca. After finishing it on the version 3.2.1.0 and having it get as low as .39m/sec I installed and restarted Version 4. As before it started out strong around 5mb/sec. After 15 minutes it is down to 1.13mb/sec and dropping. So I will abort and move on to the next disc. any ideas?

blutach

25th October 2007, 00:11

Possibly a disk reading error. More to do with the disk itself, I expect.

Regards

laguna_b

25th October 2007, 01:20

The second disc I put in has been going for almost an hour and a half at .25mb/sec. It started at 1.5mb/sec and dropped. If it were a disc read error it is unlikely that it would be repeating the problem and at different reading rates over multiple DVDs AND two different HD-DVD players.

SamuriHL

25th October 2007, 01:23

Um, has anyone asked you to check your DMA settings? If not, please do so.

laguna_b

25th October 2007, 01:56

I checked DMA settings and they are all "DMA is available" under the IDE ATA/ATAPI in Manager. This is true for the two primary and secondary IDE controllers. There were "standard dual IDE Controllers" listed but they did not have the settings for DMA.

The setup will move HD DVD files very fast between DVD and Hard Drive so i suspected the channel was running fast enough. I show 1G memory of the 2G available in use so only about half the memory is used. The processors are running 2-5%.

That is why I am baffled.

BTW I am able to PLAY HD movies thorough this setup.