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JK1974
3rd May 2007, 17:04
If I understand it correctly, AnyDVD enters into a standard AACS authenticated session with the drive and asks for the volume ID. It then uses the processing key or device keys the same way that any other authorized host software (like WindVD or PowerDVD) uses them to do the decryption. Only if the drive and disc are missing (say an encrypted iso) does it fall back to the database. The db is a good idea for them as it will make it look like their software is working, as long as the software is being used on an old Mark I MKB

Do you have any link that confirmes that it enters a standard AACS authenticated session? If I remember correctly, it was written in this thread that older AnyDVD versions (6.1.30) do not work with newer HD DVDs (not the lastest ones!), while AnyDVD 6.1.36 does. This would be the proof that they just use a VUK database and not an authentication e.g. with PowerDVD´s private host key (as it was claimed in some threads without any proof) as no revocation as been set up until april 23th.

FoxDisc
3rd May 2007, 18:56
Do you have any link that confirmes that it enters a standard AACS authenticated session?

It's in one of the threads here. The USB sniffing process confirmed it's using the Host Private Key from one of the two WinDVD/PowerDVD host players. [edit] It's here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=965446#post965446)

If I remember correctly, it was written in this thread that older AnyDVD versions (6.1.30) do not work with newer HD DVDs (not the lastest ones!), while AnyDVD 6.1.36 does.

You are reading this thread wrong. This thread started with a claim that AnyDVD could decrypt an iso image. That was either an amazing feat of decryption (because an iso has no volume ID, which you need for decryption) or a sign of a database. It turned out to be a database. The posts saying the old AnyDVD could not decrypt new discs were about the iso decryption, not about decrypting the original disc mounted in a drive.

JK1974
3rd May 2007, 22:44
It's in one of the threads here. The USB sniffing process confirmed it's using the Host Private Key from one of the two WinDVD/PowerDVD host players.

The (only) post of jx6bpm IMHO does not prove that the key is from AnyDVD. Nobody else confirmed it yet. He just claims this, but he also says that AnyDVD and WinDVD are hiding their keys better which could mean that he got the key from PowerDVD itself (like arnezami confirmed). Because there was no clarification yet that WinDVD uses the same private host key, I thought that the keys are still non-public (if AnyDVD is using one at all) or not interesting enough (I would have bet that the WinDVD key is easier to get than the one from PowerDVD) :).

You are reading this thread wrong.

You might be right - I am going to re-read it.

QuePaso
4th May 2007, 07:32
Guys, i have no BD drive. Using a PS3 to rip the image and then load it up with Nero. If i had a BD drive, im positive that Enter The Dragon would have worked fine with AnyDVD. But the key wasnt in the old program, and it is now with the newest version!

FoxDisc
4th May 2007, 14:00
Guys, i have no BD drive. Using a PS3 to rip the image and then load it up with Nero. If i had a BD drive, im positive that Enter The Dragon would have worked fine with AnyDVD. But the key wasnt in the old program, and it is now with the newest version!

And this answers the question - QuePaso was decrypting an image, not a disc. The image has no VID on it, so AnyDVD can't enter into the authenticated session and ask for the VID, then use the processing/device key to decrypt. Instead, it has to rely on the internal database, and the old version of AnyDVD did not include this particular disc in its db, while the new version does.

We've been told that new discs are coming, but so far, none have been seen. I'm starting to wonder if they're having problems with standalones and new MKBs or SKBs.

3r1c
5th May 2007, 04:13
slysoft has said before that they will not be effected by revocation and that they know of alot of weaknesses in aacs.

I think they know of some unknown method to extract the keys they are keeping secret, and as long as this method is kept secret, aacsla and windvd/powerdvd does not know what to fix.

FoxDisc
5th May 2007, 12:11
slysoft has said before that they will not be effected by revocation and that they know of alot of weaknesses in aacs.

I think they know of some unknown method to extract the keys they are keeping secret, and as long as this method is kept secret, aacsla and windvd/powerdvd does not know what to fix.

Claiming that they will not be affected is a combination of bulls**t bravado and marketing. No one has cryptographically broken AACS encryption, and no one is likely to ever break it. That's the only way they won't be affected.

You can be sure that AACSLA has looked at AnyDVD and revoked its keys. The entire userbase of AnyDVD will have to update AnyDVD for the new discs, that much is certain, so that's an effect right there. The purpose of AnyDVDs belt and suspenders approach with a database backup is to make their software work on the old discs while they react to new discs and keys.

Having said that, however, there's no reason that AnyDVD can't stay ahead of the AACS LA. I'm sure Slysoft has looked closely at the new software player updates. They've probably looked at hardware players too. They could have a dozen sets of keys from hardware players ready to feed out slowly for the next dozen times they get revoked, but they will be revoked.

The bottom line is that the AACSLA can't sell discs without giving out keys to devices (that Slysoft can find) and Slysoft can't sell AnyDVD without disclosing the keys they use (that the AACSLA can find). It's cat and mouse, and my money is on Slysoft - they'll be able to react much faster than the huge monolithic DRM industry.

Fahzuu
5th May 2007, 14:00
Claiming that they will not be affected is a combination of bulls**t bravado and marketing. No one has cryptographically broken AACS encryption, and no one is likely to ever break it. That's the only way they won't be affected.

I agree.
Though I read in some thread at SlySofts where somebody made it clear, that this statement was primarily aimed at those fearing that AnyDVD will completely stop functioning, when host keys get revoked (and therefore AnyDVD could stop working with old discs as well).
So it was simply a fuzzy description of what AnyDVD does with its database :)

And I'm also sure, that AnyDVD will have new keys ready... well, I do hope so anyway.

uncertainty
7th May 2007, 03:39
I have noticed a problem twice now using Anydvd and having the ISO mounted under Nero. Anydvd shows the AACS has been removed but when I choose "Rip video HD-DVD/Bluray to harddisk" it will stop after afew mins and give an error message of "error reading from drive". The ISO plays fine using Powerdvd but yet I cannot back it up. One title stops around 2% and the other at 40%. Wondering if anyone else is having this problem on certain Blu-Ray's?

domerdel
7th May 2007, 06:22
I'm currently backing up a BD movie using PS3 SAK as we speak to an ext fat32 drive. I have some questions.

As of the Firmware update to PS3 (1.60+), now supports AVCHD video files (.m2ts).

After I merge the ISO files into one, extract the m2ts file(s)... can I just split the m2ts files into 3.9gb intervals and play those directly in the PS3 os?

brand1130x
7th May 2007, 06:23
Can someone begin a "State of AACS" thread that explains exactly where we are concerning 1. Revoked keys 2. "Unrevokable" methods including this and the XBOX 360 one. I guess what I'm asking is, with the updates to WinDVD and the revokations appearing anyday now, is decryption stalled?

bourke
7th May 2007, 06:39
The entire userbase of AnyDVD will have to update AnyDVD for the new discs, that much is certain, so that's an effect right there
Not necessarily matey - if they have two (or more) keys already inside AnyDVD (and just happen to have only had to use the first one so far) then they could well be years ahead of the AACS LA already!

Well that's how I (a software architect) would design it - hack multiple hardware/software players and include all of the keys in my software - but only use them one at a time!

Cheers,
Bourkie

domerdel
7th May 2007, 06:49
what is copy /b and how do I use it. need to merge iso files

awhitehead
7th May 2007, 07:01
what is copy /b and how do I use it. need to merge iso files

*blink*

Not sure what this question is doing in this thread, but....

copy /b is a DOS command that permits you to concatenate two (or more) files together in BINARY mode.

On the DOS command prompt:
copy /b file1+file2+file3 newbigfile

As for iso files.... Each .ISO is a self-contained filesystem, with file allocation table, etc.

Are you sure you are not better off extracting files from the ISOs (by, for example, mounting the .ISO files using daemon tools and copying the files off into a directory), and then re-generating the .ISO from scratch using either one of the perty GUI tools, or mkisofs?

awhitehead
7th May 2007, 07:09
I'm currently backing up a BD movie using PS3 SAK as we speak to an ext fat32 drive. I have some questions.

As of the Firmware update to PS3 (1.60+), now supports AVCHD video files (.m2ts).

After I merge the ISO files into one, extract the m2ts file(s)... can I just split the m2ts files into 3.9gb intervals and play those directly in the PS3 os?

*sigh*

While it is not all that clear from your post, I suspect that part of the problem is the fact that you are using FAT32 formatted external drive. FAT32 has a 4 gig filesize limitation. You, honestly, are better off formatting the drive ext2 under Linux (I presume that you are using Linux on the PS3 to backup your BD movie), and then use something like ext2 driver for Windows (http://www.fs-driver.org/) or linux-reader (http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/) to read the disk on your PC.

It is possible that doing so will solve your issue with "3.9gb intervals".

domerdel
7th May 2007, 07:32
*blink*

Not sure what this question is doing in this thread, but....

copy /b is a DOS command that permits you to concatenate two (or more) files together in BINARY mode.

On the DOS command prompt:
copy /b file1+file2+file3 newbigfile

As for iso files.... Each .ISO is a self-contained filesystem, with file allocation table, etc.

Are you sure you are not better off extracting files from the ISOs (by, for example, mounting the .ISO files using daemon tools and copying the files off into a directory), and then re-generating the .ISO from scratch using either one of the perty GUI tools, or mkisofs?

This IS the PS3 decrypt thread, right? original post gives a "copy /b" in the tutorial, thus why I'm asking it. I will try that dos command prompt. thank you for your response.

domerdel
7th May 2007, 07:37
*sigh*

While it is not all that clear from your post, I suspect that part of the problem is the fact that you are using FAT32 formatted external drive. FAT32 has a 4 gig filesize limitation. You, honestly, are better off formatting the drive ext2 under Linux (I presume that you are using Linux on the PS3 to backup your BD movie), and then use something like ext2 driver for Windows (http://www.fs-driver.org/) or linux-reader (http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-reader/) to read the disk on your PC.

It is possible that doing so will solve your issue with "3.9gb intervals".

I'm not sure why this isn't a clear post considering it's following a PS3 Blu-ray decript thread, but I'll try and give you more information.

PS3 only supports Fat32 within it's OS. As of firmware update 1.60, now supports video format AVCHD (m2ts files). Since I want to avoid booting into linux which still doesnt fully support HD content because of the hypervision security on the RSX chip, I want to use the PS3 OS as my video player. and in finding that I can use Swiss Army Knife, I'm creating Backups of Blu-rays using my PS3 as the BD ripper.

The merged Iso file will be created by coping the split 3.5gb intervals from my external drive onto my windows that supports NTFS...

Now, I would agree that Fat32 is crap, but since I'm keeping everything native, I'll need it to play my video content which is why I need to properly find a good method of splitting my m2ts

zeroprobe
7th May 2007, 10:09
I'm not sure why this isn't a clear post considering it's following a PS3 Blu-ray decript thread, but I'll try and give you more information.

PS3 only supports Fat32 within it's OS. As of firmware update 1.60, now supports video format AVCHD (m2ts files). Since I want to avoid booting into linux which still doesnt fully support HD content because of the hypervision security on the RSX chip, I want to use the PS3 OS as my video player. and in finding that I can use Swiss Army Knife, I'm creating Backups of Blu-rays using my PS3 as the BD ripper.

The merged Iso file will be created by coping the split 3.5gb intervals from my external drive onto my windows that supports NTFS...

Now, I would agree that Fat32 is crap, but since I'm keeping everything native, I'll need it to play my video content which is why I need to properly find a good method of splitting my m2ts

The fat32 method and copy /b is by far the easiest way as none of the other options work for me on the ps3 sak.

FoxDisc
7th May 2007, 19:13
The entire userbase of AnyDVD will have to update AnyDVD for the new discs, that much is certain, so that's an effect right there
Not necessarily matey - if they have two (or more) keys already inside AnyDVD (and just happen to have only had to use the first one so far) then they could well be years ahead of the AACS LA already!

Well that's how I (a software architect) would design it - hack multiple hardware/software players and include all of the keys in my software - but only use them one at a time!

Cheers,
Bourkie
That would be a serious software design mistake. Before the AACSLA releases a new MKB, they do lots of testing. One of the first things they will test is whether AnyDVD can decrypt it. If Slysoft puts a second set of decryption keys in current versions of AnyDVD, then the LA will know that now and the next MKB can revoke the current set and the second set. The best strategy from Slysoft's point of view is to use only one set of keys and make the LA go through the full movie release cycle before using another set of keys.

domerdel
8th May 2007, 03:24
Here's the steps that I took:

1. Ran SAK, ripped BD movie to Ext HDD
2. Merged ISO onto PC - NTFS
3. Mounted ISO
4. Used AnyDVD HD to rip
5. Took largest m2TS file, and split it in 3.5/gb pieces (10 total) using HDBDSplitGUI
6. Put renamed 00001.m2ts - 00010.m2ts back onto ext fat32 HDD
7. connected to PS3, selected Video > USB hit triangle "select all"
8. First file plays awesome!!! sound excellent (hit triangle - info - said Dolby Digital)!!
9. Part 5 of the m2ts splits said "Data is corrupt" while others were


Interesting item with Step 5... I had actually tried a generic file splitter (File Splitter 1.31) before I used HDBDSplitGUI, and it gave me 3 unsupported data files that wouldn't play, and another one that was just plain corrupt. I'm wondering if it's "split sensitive" as far as the M2TS files go.

I had split the files 3800MB sections, giving me 10. I'm going to try and do 3700MB, see if it comes up any different.

running FW 1.70

awhitehead
8th May 2007, 06:45
I'm not sure why this isn't a clear post considering it's following a PS3 Blu-ray decript thread, but I'll try and give you more information.

PS3 only supports Fat32 within it's OS. As of firmware update 1.60, now supports video format AVCHD (m2ts files). Since I want to avoid booting into linux which still doesnt fully support HD content because of the hypervision security on the RSX chip, I want to use the PS3 OS as my video player. and in finding that I can use Swiss Army Knife, I'm creating Backups of Blu-rays using my PS3 as the BD ripper.


I see. I apologize, I am not familiar with SAK, nor with OtherOS.

However, while I don't own a PS3 myself, over the weekend, while at friend's house, we managed to successfully use the procedure documented here (http://www.ps3news.com/forums/site-news/breaking-news-worlds-first-ps3-blu-ray-movie-dumped-40441.html) to dump a BD movie off of his PS3.

We used an external, ext2 formatted hard drive under YDL, and dd'ed the ISO to it raw, then moved the drive over, and used SysInternals ext2 reader to copy the ISO over onto an XP box, where Nero and AnyDVD HD took care of the rest.

I guess there is more then one way to skin a cat.

ps3hacker
8th May 2007, 07:28
Open up HDBDSplitGUI and split .m2ts file into up to 3.9 gb chunks.
Or if you used SAK they are already split 4 u

Open up xport and demux all .m2ts file parts,one by one


Open up TMPGEnc Plus and mux all .m2v and mpa together one by one into Program stream. You should end up with 4 or 5 .mpg files all playable on ps3

This will only work on mpeg 2 streams though

http://forums.maxconsole.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=14855 here is HDBDSplitGUI

Or use a file server and transfer .m2ts avc and mpeg2 files over to your ps3 WITHOUT splitting. If you run into any problems playing an avc encoded m2ts file,rename it .mp4 and it will play fine. You can transfer a 25 gig file over and it will play

domerdel
8th May 2007, 07:40
just for the record. SAK copies and splits the ENTIRE BD disc... thus grabbing m2ts, and some. If that were the case, i'd just try and play those, but i dont think it will work.

thanks for your help i will give it a shot.

JK1974
8th May 2007, 10:40
Another way:
1. Use e.g. gparted to create a free ext3 partition on an external HD.
2. Use SAK to copy the BD to the ext3 partition.
3. Install ext3fsd from http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net on your XP, start the Ext2Mgr.exe to assign a drive letter to your ext3 partition.
4. Mount the ISO with Daemon Tools/Nero Image drive and enjoy :)

domerdel
8th May 2007, 15:01
the HDBDsplitGUI program helped split the files better. however, part0005.m2ts was corrupt. I kept them as m2ts files. even the PS3 saw the dolby digital codec within the container.

of all 10 files that were split. 9 of them worked flawlessly (picture and sound).

going to try and re-split...

UPDATE: Re-split movie to slightly smaller parts (3700 MB instead of 3800MB) all M2TS raw files working. Some even give an AVC icon then I hit Triangle > Information... even picks up AC3 Dolby Digital Codec... all files played off an external Fat32 drive.

ps3hacker
9th May 2007, 03:49
I see no resason to split anything unless you are set on using sak. My process
1:Copy movie to an external usb hard drive in linux on ps3(many tutorials on this)
2:Go to pc and install ext2fs and Anydvd (Mentioned earlier in this thread)
3:Plug usb hard drive into pc and mount .iso file with nero or dameons tools
4:Decrypt movie
5:Install Red Kawas File Server
6:Go back to ps3 xmb and use the ps3'2 internet browser to "download" the main movie file (.m2ts) to your ps3

The setup for the file server is pretty straight forward, just follow the directions it gives you. This works for avc and mpeg2 but not vc-1. Just trying to be a little helpful

domerdel
9th May 2007, 06:46
I see no resason to split anything unless you are set on using sak. My process PS3 only reads FAt32
1:Copy movie to an external usb hard drive in linux on ps3(many tutorials on this)Creating an extra partition is something I gave thought to just for the ripping process... still debating this.
2:Go to pc and install ext2fs and Anydvd (Mentioned earlier in this thread)
3:Plug usb hard drive into pc and mount .iso file with nero or dameons tools
4:Decrypt movie
5:Install Red Kawas File Server
6:Go back to ps3 xmb and use the ps3'2 internet browser to "download" the main movie file (.m2ts) to your ps3 Did I mention Fat32? My file is 35 gigs. Fat32 limitation is 4GB which is my whole purpose of splitting files... The setup for the file server is pretty straight forward, just follow the directions it gives you. This works for avc and mpeg2 but not vc-1. Just trying to be a little helpful

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All in all, I really appreciate you taking the time to give me more options which is why I come to these forums... There's more than one way to skin a Cat right? :) I've got an external terabyte drive that I need to keep majority Fat32 partition for the time being. I'm waiting for two things

1. Either Sony or Hacker gets permission past the hypervision (RSX), which would allow linux to take advantage of hardware, so that I could play ANY codec I want, and also say goodbye to gawd awful Fat32.

2. Sony will start releasing firmware updates to support AVI/MKV containers... I've got about 200 gigs worth of DivX (Some even in HD).

Edit: thanks for the heads up blutach

blutach
9th May 2007, 07:24
Until then, I'm going through my net flix Blu-ray subscriptions and ripping them, cutting them up, and keeping the raw files on my tera byte drive( which will quickly fill up). Thanks again for your post.
Read rule 6 please. You are new, but it should be obvious we do not support illegal copying of rented DVDs.

Regards

ps3hacker
9th May 2007, 10:22
I do understand the ps3 can only read fat32 partitions through the xmb. But when running linux, it can read/write ext2/3 filesystems. This does not have a 4g file limit. You can dump the WHOLE movie, and not to parts. No you cannot play them on your ext2/3 usb hard drive though xmb, but you can disconnect the hard drive, plug it in to your pc, and use a file server to transfer to the internal hard drive of your ps3. 35 gig will transfer fine, just take a long time. I know now you want to keep them on your usb hard drivet o play on ps3 and this method will not work, but it is good for people who upgraded their ps3's internal hard drive.

domerdel
9th May 2007, 15:22
right, but, playback in linux is my issue which is why i'm not doing it until there's resources beyond hypervision... the fat32 method i have is a substitute for now.

awhitehead
9th May 2007, 18:05
right, but, playback in linux is my issue which is why i'm not doing it until there's resources beyond hypervision... the fat32 method i have is a substitute for now.

In spite of your explanations, I am still very confused why you are insisting that playback in Linux is your issue.

You only use Linux to image the original BD disc, and transfer it to a PC for decryption. You don't even need to do it using an external USB hard drive, since you can mount a SMB (windows file sharing) share from your Windows system on your PS3 running Linux, and dd directly onto the network mounted share. This eliminates the steps that require dealing with SAK, partitioning the image into 3.9 gig chunks, and re-assembling the chunks when you moved the disc over to the PC.

(Heck, if you know the CPS key for the BD disc you are backing up, you can export the BD-drive's mount point over Samba to your windows system, and decrypt over the network using DumpHD in one step. Yes, it requires knowing how to configure smb.conf, and a little bit of Linux skill, but it can be very convinient)

Once you decrypted the media on a PC, then you can use re-mastering tools to cut up the mpeg2 or VC1 or AVC stream into apropriate sized (ie 3.9 gig in size, so it would fit on a FAT32 filesystem), and either copy it onto your 1TB external fat32 formatted drive (Shouldn't you be concerned with possiblity of drive failure, btw?) directly on the PC, or stream it from the local network using, for example, Red Kawas File Server.

So as far as I can tell, playback under Linux is not even coming up anywhere.

However, it's your PS3, it's your discs and your time, and I am not forcing my opinion onto you in any way.

(BTW, I suspect that only a few of your original chunks of video played because the software you used to cut the original video stream up did not cut it up at the stream frame boundary, corrupting the stream. Cutting the stream up intelligently would require the software that is actually capable of understanding the container format. It might be a question better answered in container forums, though)

domerdel
9th May 2007, 18:20
Yes I gather that some are suggesting ext2/3 as storage and not playback. Just FYI, sak will rip to an ext2/3 drive... and as mentioned in a response (in red above i believe) it is still something i'm considering to do.

The way I would do it, would problably be a 100-200 gig
ext2/3 partition (depending if i want to store original iso's). Then taking it back to my PC for decryption. What i'm NOT wanting to do is store any of this content on the PS3 HDD.. someone mentioned using Kawa to transfer 35 gigs, but i'm not sure how that' s possible if PS3 is on a Fat32 system.

ps3hacker
9th May 2007, 20:31
someone mentioned using Kawa to transfer 35 gigs, but i'm not sure how that' s possible if PS3 is on a Fat32 system

The ps3 does not run on fat32, it just can only read fat32. It has its own custom filesystem.

domerdel
9th May 2007, 21:07
Hmm, I need confirmation on that. Not sure I buy "custom file system", but I'll leave that topic for a different forum. thank you for your input.

qtx999
19th May 2007, 17:04
Anybody know why some lionsgate titles, when remuxed and split, the first file in the list (XXX1.mpg, XXX2.mpg etc etc) does not have an audio codec stream (ONLY IN XMB). That file plays fine using classic media player under windows...it's just in the XMB, the very first file is "slient"...

(CRANK, HAPPILY NEVER AFTER are 2 examples) TIA

sega32x
19th May 2007, 19:41
You only use Linux to image the original BD disc, and transfer it to a PC for decryption. You don't even need to do it using an external USB hard drive, since you can mount a SMB (windows file sharing) share from your Windows system on your PS3 running Linux, and dd directly onto the network mounted share. This eliminates the steps that require dealing with SAK, partitioning the image into 3.9 gig chunks, and re-assembling the chunks when you moved the disc over to the PC.


For what its worth, SAK can dump to network shares too (though its slow, I'm a fan of ext3 myself however!).

And for what its worth, the PS3's internal filesystem is called the Cell File System (yeah, I know!)

markrb
20th May 2007, 04:57
I have tried to look through this entire thread to make sure, but I may have missed it.

I keep reading about playing back on the PS3, but what if I wanted to play back the image on my PC? Is this possible with this method from a local to the PC drive using PowerDVD 7.3 and Daemon tools?

I use a HTPC for all my Video playback and prefer it for my HD-DVD's currently. I would like to expand this to Blue-Ray as well if possible.

Thanks,
Mark

mofo69
20th May 2007, 05:21
I have tried to look through this entire thread to make sure, but I may have missed it.

I keep reading about playing back on the PS3, but what if I wanted to play back the image on my PC? Is this possible with this method from a local to the PC drive using PowerDVD 7.3 and Daemon tools?

I use a HTPC for all my Video playback and prefer it for my HD-DVD's currently. I would like to expand this to Blue-Ray as well if possible.

Thanks,
Mark

yes, this is possible.

you simply dump an image of the BR disc with your ps3 to a external hdd formated ext2fs. connect the external hdd to your pc use Ext2IFS_1_10c to access the drive and mount with latest daemon-tools the image. anydvd is your friend then. you can either only read or make a back up to your ntfs formated hdd.

eousphoros
22nd May 2007, 21:48
I read thru the thread and didn't see mention of this, and I am not at home so I can't test this. The one frustrating thing with this solution is it involves windows and paid-for solutions. Wouldn't the following work since DumpHD uses a key database as well?

1) dd if=/dev/cdrom of=bob.iso (whatever the bdrom on the ps3 is)
2) Move to linux box (or hell even on the ps3 itself)
3) mount -o loop -t udf bob.iso /mnt/cdrom
4) java -jar DumpHD.jar /mnt/cdrom /backup/bob/

?? or am I completely missing something?

Humpa
23rd May 2007, 02:14
I read thru the thread and didn't see mention of this, and I am not at home so I can't test this. The one frustrating thing with this solution is it involves windows and paid-for solutions. Wouldn't the following work since DumpHD uses a key database as well?

1) dd if=/dev/cdrom of=bob.iso (whatever the bdrom on the ps3 is)
2) Move to linux box (or hell even on the ps3 itself)
3) mount -o loop -t udf bob.iso /mnt/cdrom
4) java -jar DumpHD.jar /mnt/cdrom /backup/bob/

?? or am I completely missing something?Yes, but only if the key has already been provided and you have updated your cfg file. I would much rather use dumphd than anydvd - I often get an unplayable movie after using anydvd - that has never happened yet when I've been able to use dumphd. You do have to keep the cfg key file updated yourself (no big deal), but as you can see from the Blu-Ray VUK thread, it is rather lacking. :(

MY blu-ray drive is the PS3, so I am limited. But with my hddvd drive I can simply get the keys myself, so I never have to use anydvd for hddvd.

plonk420
23rd May 2007, 20:35
copying over a 10/100mbit network seems to go at ~2gb an hour :/

i don't really have an external i can format, at least ATM...

eousphoros
23rd May 2007, 22:32
Looks like the ps3 has a gigabit interface.. if you upgraded your networking setup a bit it would probably go alot faster

localhost ~ # ethtool eth0
Settings for eth0:
Supported ports: [ TP ]
Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
Supports auto-negotiation: Yes
Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full
100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full
1000baseT/Half 1000baseT/Full
Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes
Speed: 1000Mb/s
Duplex: Full
Port: Twisted Pair
PHYAD: 0
Transceiver: internal
Auto-negotiation: on
Link detected: yes

plonk420
24th May 2007, 00:54
stupid nonvideo related question: i can just a crossover cable running from the PS3 straight to another computer, right?

eousphoros
24th May 2007, 01:22
Yeh it will but since neither one is likely to be running a dhcp server you will have to configure an ip address for the boxes

ifconfig eth0 192.168.100.1 netmask 255.255.255.250
ifconfig eth0 192.168.100.2 netmask 255.255.255.250

the ping 192.168.100.2 to test

eousphoros
24th May 2007, 02:50
BTW, has anyone played with the 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 kernels on the ps3 yet? I have the 2.6.21-r2 kernel from gentoo compiling right now and was curious what peoples experiences with the two aforementioned kernels has been like.

HanSooloo
24th May 2007, 16:34
BTW, has anyone played with the 2.6.21 or 2.6.22 kernels on the ps3 yet? I have the 2.6.21-r2 kernel from gentoo compiling right now and was curious what peoples experiences with the two aforementioned kernels has been like.

I have been using the 2.6.22-rc1 kernel on my Gentoo install for the last few days, and it has been holding out pretty good.
No crashes, or hangs or any other weird behavior.
I got this kernel via "garlicbread"s overlay intructions on Gentoo's PS3 forums.
This overlay also provides full UDF2.5 support, so you do not need to patch in the UDF2.5 for 2.6 Kernel module from Sourceforge.
Hope this helps :-)

Humpa
24th May 2007, 16:58
I have been using the 2.6.22-rc1 kernel on my Gentoo install for the last few days, and it has been holding out pretty good.
No crashes, or hangs or any other weird behavior.
I got this kernel via "garlicbread"s overlay intructions on Gentoo's PS3 forums.
This overlay also provides full UDF2.5 support, so you do not need to patch in the UDF2.5 for 2.6 Kernel module from Sourceforge.
Hope this helps :-)I haven't been following the linux threads for the last couple of weeks.
Do you have NTSF support? I'm still using ext3 for my ext hdd, and it is getting old - windows doesn't like it much, I keep having to reassign the drive letter and whatnot. Plus it is a little slow.

eousphoros
24th May 2007, 19:55
I have been using the 2.6.22-rc1 kernel on my Gentoo install for the last few days, and it has been holding out pretty good.
No crashes, or hangs or any other weird behavior.
I got this kernel via "garlicbread"s overlay intructions on Gentoo's PS3 forums.
This overlay also provides full UDF2.5 support, so you do not need to patch in the UDF2.5 for 2.6 Kernel module from Sourceforge.
Hope this helps :-)

Would you be willing to give a walk thru (and maybe a copy of your .config) on how you got it working? I can get it compiled and installed but when I try to boot it up the ps3 locks up. (I am using garlicbreads overlay to)

jacksparrow
25th May 2007, 21:12
You promised to elaborate with pics later, we are into page 7 now, where are the pics? :thanks:


Guys, i will elaborate with pics and much more later, but i thought you guys would like the gist of it so you can get started. Here is how i do it.

1. Install SAK (Swiss Army Knife) to the PS3 OtherOS and boot into it. I use the network connection and do it via the ps3 instead of the web browser and transfer the ISO over the network. You can hook up a FAT32 hard drive and get the ISO that way as well.

2. If you put the ISO on FAT32 hard drive, join them into 1 big iso with copy /b, then put it into a directory. If you did a network connection, then go to step 3.

3. Install Nero Premium v7.8.5.0 and once installed, go to StartSmart, Extras Tab, make sure its in Advanced Mode and then choose Mount ISO image. Mount the ISO of the blu-ray movie you have. It is VERY important to use nero, as Daemon Tools DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY FOR THIS METHOD.

4. Install AnyDVD HD 6.1.3.6. Once installed, go to windows explorer and check the mounted ISO drive to see if the AACS Directory has been renamed to SLY!. If so, you should be good.

5. In AnyDVD HD, right click on the icon in the taskbar, and you will see: Rip Video HD-DVD / Blu-Ray to Hard disk. Choose that, make sure the drive being chosen is the one with the Nero mounted Blu-Ray image and let it rip. I suggest not doing much while it works its magic.

5a. Now, a lot of people talked about how AnyDVD HD has errors with blu-ray, but that is because they fixed the ripping in the latest version ONLY if you use the special rip tool. If you go to windows explorer and copy over the files to your hard drive, THEY WILL ERROR. This is the ONLY way to do it properly, and i will show you how to verify next.

6. Once complete, you should have the full blu-ray in your hard drive and ready to go. As a test, close AnyDVD HD and try to play any of the .m2ts's on the image mounted, THEY WILL NOT WORK. But the ones off of the hard drive you decrypted will. Now, you need to check for errors. Most blu-ray movies come with MPEG2 Trailers which are ~100-300 megs a piece for other blu-ray movies. Copy 2-3 of them into a empty directory. You will need to check these for errors. When AnyDVD HD errors, it happens on every file, so you want to check at least 2-3 files for errors and make sure they are ok using MPEG2Repair.

7. MPEG2Repair WILL NOT accept Decrypted .m2ts files. You need to convert them to .ts. The program i use is called: m2tstots. It is command line based and lightening fast. Once you convert those files you have, go ahead and run them through MPEG2 repair, 1 by 1. You will have a stream error, dont worry about that, its because ALL blu-rays give that error. Once done, the only thing you want to look for is errors in the video/audio areas. I did this with 4 different movies i had no keys for and they worked perfectly.

If you guys have any issues i will be back later to help, but that is how ive SUCCESSFULLY decrypted blu-ray movies WITHOUT ANY ERRORS using no keys at all!!! Credit goes out my VERY good friend mart who without his help getting started, none of this would have been possible. Enjoy!

CZroe
28th May 2007, 23:23
Guys, i will elaborate with pics and much more later, but i thought you guys would like the gist of it so you can get started. Here is how i do it.

1. Install SAK (Swiss Army Knife) to the PS3 OtherOS and boot into it. [You can find it at disreputable sites like PS3news.com.] I use the network connection and do it via the ps3 instead of the web browser and transfer the ISO over the network. You can hook up a FAT32 hard drive and get the ISO that way as well.

2. If you put the ISO on FAT32 hard drive, join them into 1 big iso with copy /b, then put it into a directory. If you did a network connection, then go to step 3.

3. Install Nero Premium v7.8.5.0 and once installed, go to StartSmart, Extras Tab, make sure its in Advanced Mode and then choose Mount ISO image. Mount the ISO of the blu-ray movie you have. It is VERY important to use nero, as Daemon Tools DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY FOR THIS METHOD.

4. Install AnyDVD HD 6.1.3.6. Once installed, go to windows explorer and check the mounted ISO drive to see if the AACS Directory has been renamed to SLY!. If so, you should be good.

5. In AnyDVD HD, right click on the icon in the taskbar, and you will see: Rip Video HD-DVD / Blu-Ray to Hard disk. Choose that, make sure the drive being chosen is the one with the Nero mounted Blu-Ray image and let it rip. I suggest not doing much while it works its magic.

5a. Now, a lot of people talked about how AnyDVD HD has errors with blu-ray, but that is because they fixed the ripping in the latest version ONLY if you use the special rip tool. If you go to windows explorer and copy over the files to your hard drive, THEY WILL ERROR. This is the ONLY way to do it properly, and i will show you how to verify next.

6. Once complete, you should have the full blu-ray in your hard drive and ready to go. As a test, close AnyDVD HD and try to play any of the .m2ts's on the image mounted, THEY WILL NOT WORK. But the ones off of the hard drive you decrypted will. Now, you need to check for errors. Most blu-ray movies come with MPEG2 Trailers which are ~100-300 megs a piece for other blu-ray movies. Copy 2-3 of them into a empty directory. You will need to check these for errors. When AnyDVD HD errors, it happens on every file, so you want to check at least 2-3 files for errors and make sure they are ok using MPEG2Repair.

7. MPEG2Repair WILL NOT accept Decrypted .m2ts files. You need to convert them to .ts. The program i use is called: m2tstots. It is command line based and lightening fast. Once you convert those files you have, go ahead and run them through MPEG2 repair, 1 by 1. You will have a stream error, dont worry about that, its because ALL blu-rays give that error. Once done, the only thing you want to look for is errors in the video/audio areas. I did this with 4 different movies i had no keys for and they worked perfectly.

If you guys have any issues i will be back later to help, but that is how ive SUCCESSFULLY decrypted blu-ray movies WITHOUT ANY ERRORS using no keys at all!!! Credit goes out my VERY good friend mart who without his help getting started, none of this would have been possible. Enjoy!

You promised to elaborate with pics later, we are into page 7 now, where are the pics? :thanks:

I will elaborate on my progress so far because the steps above are MADDENINGLY lacking (no offense QuePaso; it's mostly all the other Linux and Sony sites sending me on wild goose-chases).

1. [Download and] Install SAK (Swiss Army Knife) to the PS3 OtherOS and boot into it. [You will also need Sony's "PS3 Other OS Installer." Finding it is a chore because PS3 linux distro documentation and PS3 news sites will tell you to get it from Sony's Open Platform page while Sony's Open Platform page will tell you to obtain it from your Other OS provider. NONE of the news sites or documentation will even give you the Open Platform page URL. ISOs of so-called "ready to use" PS3 Linux distros including Fedora Core 5 and Yellow Dog Linux will also lack the installer (otheros.self file) and require you to modify the ISO before burning (what's the point in distributing it as an ISO then?! caused me a few coasters). That doesn't even touch on the frustrations I had finding out that the file was needed due to inadequate error messages on the PS3 itself.] Certainly deserves a mention here. I use the network connection and do it via the ps3 instead of the web browser and transfer the ISO over the network. You can hook up a FAT32 hard drive and get the ISO that way as well.

[See how much longer that step was? The only place I could get it was from an unsavory website... PS3news.com (registration required; limited "download credits." Certainly not useful for a URL to be included in a guide)]

2. If you put the ISO on FAT32 hard drive, join them into 1 big iso with copy /b, then put it into a directory [on a drive with a filesystem that supports files larger than 4GB such as NTFS or EXT3. Don't think that part of the instructions is not needed just because Windows XP is needed for the next set of utilities because even my 120GB laptop came preformatted as FAT32 (and it has Gigabit and dual-core so it would be my preferred system to do this on)]. If you did a network connection, then go to step 3.

I'm ripping my first disc now (Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl) and this is as far as I have gotten. It's taken DAYS. Next time, just YouTube the entire process from a fresh out of box PS3 and fresh installation of Windows. Even the YouTube PS3 installation vids I found when trying to see what I was missing when installing an "Other OS" all ignore the otheros.self stuff and only show you the useless screens you couldn't avoid even if you got that far! How useful is that?! Thanks QuePaso, but we need a real, proper guide because it's really not as simple as you imagine.