CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[vio_man]

I always said that people shouldn't promise things which would not deliver on time. It's better to just release when it's done than promising a date.

[pankov]

oooh
come one, guys
let's give them a break. it will be ready when it's ready.
The terms are to be broken, after all
;)

[GmorG McRoth]

It whuld be better if CoreAVC page had randomly generated excuses so refreshing it whuld be little bit less dissapointing.

[tomos]

what like

If CoreAVC is late, time better slow the *** down.

:p

[videomixer9]

"CoreAVC ... the longer you wait for the release the faster it has to decode your videos!"

"CoreAVC became obsolete, del HiDefContent.mp4 ... 1337% faster!"

[acidsex]

I kinda agree. The delay is complete joke. One surely would think that if they are having delivery/payment problems that this too would have been tested before the release date.

It just seems too common over the last several years for companies to pimp their products and then when the release date nears, its delayed. It doesnt necessarily show the public that they are trying to get it right but more so the general public sees it as incompetence. Not everyone of the public understands bugs that creep up.

But companies like M$ and even Nero have been hyping their crap all over and when it never makes the light of day, people bash them. No offense to the Core group or BetaBoy, but they are no different. MS last year announced distributed encoding with Gridiiron Software that was supposed to allow users to use multiple machines for encoding HD video. Here it is a year later after NAB2005 and the encoder has not (if it ever will) seen the light of day. Nero last year, pimped their Nero 7 software a few months after the H.264 AVC HP went to us beta testers. Mnay people ran out and got the program only to find us six months later still without HP/Interlaced encoding.

I am not bashing Core. But when you set an expectation to a very anticipating customer base, you should do all you can to deliver on time. Companies like MS continue to delay their products (Vista) so they can remain in the news to further anticipation and sales.

As we are quickly approaching April 3, it looks like the current expectation on the coreavc site will fail once again. Not a good way to build customer trust.

[BetaBoy]

Guys relax... we are still on track to deliver it by the end of the day today. All issues have been resolved, we are testing delivery.

[welew]

thanks for the great effort!
Seems some link still in testing (download, faq...)
http://coreavc.corecodec.org/recommend.html
It seems CoreAVC still need high hardware configuration for 1080P H.264 playback
Guys relax... we are still on track to deliver it by the end of the day today. All issues have been resolved, we are testing delivery.

[Gnerma]

So it looks like the site is online. The burning question on my (and I'm sure everybody else's) mind is how do I get that discounted price? :devil:

[ChronoCross]

There won't be a discounted price. They have to pay the bills you know.

[Gnerma]

Would you mind letting us in on your source on this bro? I was referencing this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=806029#post806029) post made by BetaBoy on the 28th.

[Oline 61]

If you're in Jersey, it's already April 3rd.

[ChronoCross]

Just a guess based on the fact that it's impossible to decide who would get the discounted price. aka what qualifications. It would be unfair to say that everyone on doom9 gets it and it would be unfair to limit it to a certain group unless of course they put in alot of the effort....as I can see some people did in the testing.

even though the site is up now I see no way to purchase as all the links I think are supposed to be active aren't lol

[Shinjite]

thanks for the great effort!
It seems CoreAVC still need high hardware configuration for 1080P H.264 playback

So far 720p still runs fine in my comp without any dropped frames with my 64MB GF4 MX440-8X at 3.24Ghz (max 55% or below)
1080p havent tested yet though

[nm]

It seems CoreAVC still need high hardware configuration for 1080P H.264 playback
There is obviously a lot of air in those numbers so that people with broken configurations wouldn't complain when CoreAVC won't work well for them. For example 480p24 requires about half of those specs.

[Hans Ohlo]

even though the site is up now I see no way to purchase as all the links I think are supposed to be active aren't lolsame here :(

[ChronoCross]

now they're just rushing and tring to patch things together. They just put up the website to say that they were released on time. It's already 1am where their headquarters is located lol. Anyway I'll have to check back tomorrow because it's too late for me to do anything tonight.

[Hans Ohlo]

ok now its working.

[Alizar]

So far, I am not impressed in the slightest.

The installer fails to actually register the directshow filter. I had to use the re-register shortcut on the start menu to do so. Worse (and I hope this is just isolated to me) on playback using seeking, video seems to "fast forward" until it catches up to the point where I seeked to originally.

Edit: I've confirmed this seeking problem with multiple users on both MKV splitters and players. Haven't tested .mp4 yet. It seems to be related to GOPs and the fast foward seeking seems to originate from the GOP until playback catches up to timecode.

[Pomyk]

I have noticed the same problems.

[dimzon]

Oh...
I'm from Russia and threre are no Russia or Russian Federation in PayPal registration form

[robU*4]

From Cyt0plas (CoreCodec Tech Guy):
Download links are up. We are in the process of switching from one processing company to another; our automated registration system will be down for a day or so. In the meantime, all registrations will be manually ran within 12 hours.

Because of the launch delay, we're doing a 30% discount instead of the planned 25% for the next little bit. Discount applied after you click "buy now".

[Eretria-chan]

Oh...
I'm from Russia and threre are no Russia or Russian Federation in PayPal registration form
Be patient :) They will set up other payment methods soon enough ^_^

[BlackSun]

Okay we were a bit late, I agree. But I prefer to see this kind of delay instead of having a vaporware. Think Duke Nukem for ever.

[breez]

C'mon, only a few days late and worked through the weekend to get it released! I'm sure your average company would have continued working on monday morning from where they left the project on friday night.

[tomos]

well, have purchased my copy of the 'pro' one. just waiting for the download link now. cant wait for the GPU acceleration :D

[BetaBoy]

So far, I am not impressed in the slightest.

The installer fails to actually register the directshow filter. I had to use the re-register shortcut on the start menu to do so. Worse (and I hope this is just isolated to me) on playback using seeking, video seems to "fast forward" until it catches up to the point where I seeked to originally.

Edit: I've confirmed this seeking problem with multiple users on both MKV splitters and players. Haven't tested .mp4 yet. It seems to be related to GOPs and the fast foward seeking seems to originate from the GOP until playback catches up to timecode.

Welcome to Doom9 Alizar... I'll check the file registration...

[BetaBoy]

All... Thanx to everyone for your patience. Cyt0plas worked all weekend on the backend but in the end I uploaded a temp site and we bumbed the discount from 25% to 30% as a way thanking everyone for their patience.

We will bring the portal online soon which automates the purchase process. Each CoreAVC purchase is custom for each user.

Keeping reporting any issues you find.. on this thread or on our bug tracker @ http://corecodec.org/tracker/?atid=313&group_id=64&func=browse

[pankov]

All... Thanx to everyone for your patience. Cyt0plas worked all weekend on the backend but in the end I uploaded a temp site and we bumbed the discount from 25% to 30% as a way thanking everyone for their patience.

We will bring the portal online soon which automates the purchase process. Each CoreAVC purchase is custom for each user.
will this allow different payment methods? (credit card payments except PayPal in particular)?

[BetaBoy]

Yes, we are looking into a few alternatives atm till our 'Core Account' system is ready. I'll fill you in as it developes.... BTW... any suggestions?

[CEC]

Any trial version to check?????
I want to try before I buy!!!:thanks:

[BetaBoy]

We will release a trial version next month.

[bratao]

Yeah !
I trial its cool !

[CiTay]

Any trial version to check?????
I want to try before I buy!!!:thanks:

What about the 0.0.0.4 alpha? Should be a good preview.

See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=786019#post786019

[Ice =A=]

I've bought the pro version this morning, congratulations on the release! Right now I'm waiting for the mail with the download link and I can't wait to test the decoder!!! :)

[CEC]

What about the 0.0.0.4 alpha? Should be a good preview.

See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=786019#post786019


I did check that, but I had some problems! I did the post the problem, but I didn't took an answer and so I don't know if it is fixed!!!

See: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=105985

[Ice =A=]

OK, I got it by now! :)
First tests indicate that it does what it should do and that it needs about 35% processing power where quicktime needs about 55%, which really is not bad at all! :)
I also found some 1080p videos which do not run fluently with quicktime (played with quicktime player or mpc on an Athlon X2 4200+) but do play flawlessly with CoreAVC.
I can't say much about SMP since even the most demanding videos only result in a cpu usage of very slightly over 50%... :)

[ChronoCross]

I'm too poor atm to buy it but I think now it's even more prudent that I wait. Since this seems to still be a beta version. Although I don't remember seeing these errors int he last public version so I'm a little confused as to how their happening. To those of you having th eseeking issue are you using th epro version? Could it possibly be due to SMP support? Please give more details as to how your using the filter itself.

[tomos]

i'm still waiting for my download link. altho they did say it can take upto 12 hrs

[BetaBoy]

What about the 0.0.0.4 alpha? Should be a good preview.

See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=786019#post786019

The current CoreAVC is about 1% faster then that build... Anyone up to do a detaied comparison?

[Ice =A=]

@ChronoCross:
I'm using the pro version with mpc on an Athlon X2 and have experienced no such seeking issues at all. Should I test with any specific video file?

[BetaBoy]

Tomos... I double checked your email was sent... if there is still an issue email me.

[ChronoCross]

@ChronoCross:
I'm using the pro version with mpc on an Athlon X2 and have experienced no such seeking issues at all. Should I test with any specific video file?

From what I read (see below) it's happening on several machines. So what we need to do as a community is get more input on why this might be happening.


Edit: I've confirmed this seeking problem with multiple users on both MKV splitters and players. Haven't tested .mp4 yet. It seems to be related to GOPs and the fast foward seeking seems to originate from the GOP until playback catches up to timecode.

I looked on their bug tracker and it looks to be an issue with the internal and external gabest splitter. If your using Haali's splitter this probably won't happen.

If your going to report a bug either in this thread or on the tracker you should include the following:

a) Version of CoreAVC (Basic or Professional)
b) Players you've tried with version numbers
c) Processor Type
d) Splitter that is being used for your particular file.

This should help them work out any additional bugs you guys find.

[tomos]

Tomos... I double checked your email was sent... if there is still an issue email me.

have mailed using addy in your profile :)

[bob0r]

I'm too poor atm to buy it but I think now it's even more prudent that I wait. Since this seems to still be a beta version. Although I don't remember seeing these errors int he last public version so I'm a little confused as to how their happening. To those of you having th eseeking issue are you using th epro version? Could it possibly be due to SMP support? Please give more details as to how your using the filter itself.

Beta version? Shall we try alpha?
http://coreavc.corecodec.org/changelog.html

[BetaBoy]

Thx ChronoCross you beat me too it ;-)

[BetaBoy]

Beta version? Shall we try alpha?
http://coreavc.corecodec.org/changelog.html
Nice catch... actually it was Beta After 0.4... i'll make the changes.

[ChronoCross]

Thx ChronoCross you beat me too it ;-)

you very welcome. I know how important it is to have accurate bug reports when trying to find a problem. else you just have giant ??? over your head when looking for the bug.

[Pomyk]

Some more info on the speedup bug:

I have Athlon X2. Using haali splitter and professional version of CoreAVC. I tried MPC and WMP and it's the same.
What's happening:
After seeking it immediately shows the I(DR?) frame, starts playing audio and video playback is faster until it catches up to audio.

[CEC]

We will release a trial version next month.

Next MONTH!?!?!?:eek: :eek:
Why SO LONG????:confused: