CoreCodec/H.264 Codec "CoreAVC"

[Thunderbolt8]

maybe im too stupid to find it...but I still cant see the 1.2 version on that page.

[Ginsonic]

Should all emails be out, I still did not receive one (also not in spam folder) ?

[Sirber]

http://i15.tinypic.com/30i95hj.png

utf8? :)

[f@chance]

Well, new system should have waited. but I am off tomorrow and wanted to take it with me.

After the Paypal thingy, I was directed to the registration page filled it out and after clicking Registeering it just cleaned out the fileds and waiting, Nothing. Name & email address is registered because I can't do it again, but no link no registration confirm email not in the inbox or the spam folder.

Well Betabiy you and the Paypal contact got an email with the details. Please advise.

[BetaBoy]

http://i15.tinypic.com/30i95hj.png

utf8? :)
mmm... I'll look into it.. thx!

[Ginsonic]

Still no email :(

[toytown]

Same error as johnnyfu, back to the old version for now.

[BetaBoy]

All registered users users have been sent upgrade notices... if you have not received it you can wait a few hours or send me an email betaboy@corecodec.com and i'll do a lookup for you.

[BetaBoy]

Same error as johnnyfu, back to the old version for now.

Log back into your Core Account and re-download it... we fixed that issue.

[toytown]

Log back into your Core Account and re-download it... we fixed that issue.

I did and i just redownloaded it again and still the same. I also tried a reboot and removing the old coreavc folders from my system before trying.

I've gone back to the old version for now and i'll wait to see if anybody else gets the problem before i try again.

[BetaBoy]

I did and i just redownloaded it again and still the same. I also tried a reboot and removing the old coreavc folders from my system before trying.

I've gone back to the old version for now and i'll wait to see if anybody else gets the problem before i try again.

Standard or Pro Edition? Also try to download it with a different name to avoid it being a cache issue.

[Ginsonic]

if you have not received it you can wait a few hours or send me an email betaboy@corecodec.com and i'll do a lookup for you
I just sent You an email, thanks for Your help !

[BetaBoy]

Ok, i testet the new CoreAVC with DVBViewer and DVB-S2 Programms, and it still lags :( CPU Usage is only ~30-40%

Can you give me more details?

[JohnnyFu]

Hey Betaboy :)

Thx for the fix, the install works fine now.

I decided to make a comparison on 1.1.0.5 and 1.2.0.0. So i booted up my testsystem. When i try to update CoreAVC on this hard drive i get: This product has already been activated. Please contact CoreCodec.Sales@gmail.com for assistance, it´s the same computer/hardware just another (old) hard drive / optimized-clean-OS, wich i am using for tests.
Now i realize the activation thing... lol. So that means i can install CoreAVC only on one Windows installation ? What to do when i am going to format Windows (usually i do a format every 2-3 months) ?

However... looks like i have to run the 1.2.0.0 tests on my worksystem. Will post the results later in this thread.

[Hans Ohlo]

Hey Betaboy :)

Thx for the fix, the install works fine now.

I decided to make a comparison on 1.1.0.5 and 1.2.0.0. So i booted up my testsystem. When i try to update CoreAVC on this hard drive i get: This product has already been activated. Please contact CoreCodec.Sales@gmail.com for assistance, it´s the same computer/hardware just another (old) hard drive / optimized-clean-OS, wich i am using for tests.
Now i realize the activation thing... lol. So that means i can install CoreAVC only on one Windows installation ? What to do when i am going to format Windows (usually i do a format every 2-3 months) ?

However... looks like i have to run the 1.2.0.0 tests on my worksystem. Will post the results later in this thread.

same here, tried at work and now at home can not install it. this is SO FU**ED UP.

[Jay Bee]

OK, quick review from me:

-Activation system worked fine although I like programs to at least tell me they are going connect to the internet before sending out my data. Also some more information about number of unlocks, number of machines, what to do with Windows reinstalls etc. would be nice. I use other software that use online activation but none of them were as harsh as to give you only a single unlock. Better put your flameproof suit on fast.

-Minor speed improvements (about 1 to 5%).

-Lossless AVC files now work.

-Surprisingly x264 interlaced and Elecard/Mainconcept MBAFF still don't work. I hope there will be a quick fix for this.

-And a small improvement suggestion: I think the default deinterlacing method should be "DirectShow" as this is generally considered to be very powerfull on most of todays graphics cards.

Anyway keep up the good work guys (but please don't let us wait months for important fixes like the interlaced problems I mentioned or the DVB HDTV problems mentioned further up).

[Sirber]

I don't really like that activation thing. I bought it coz I like you guys.
But if I have to crack it if I format or change my HW... that's bad.

[Sharktooth]

Ah! I was about to buy it but my sixth sense told me to check doom9.org forum.
Activation is ugly!

[blubberbirne]

Can you give me more details?

The Picture "stutters", but maybe it's a bug of DVBViewer. I will also tell the Problem this guys

[f@chance]

Buying this codec really sucks. Paid with Paypal, browser hickup after creation of account, no download link. Stuck with a paid PayPal bill, can't associate the account that was created after the Paypal redirection to get a download link.

And I waited, no 1.1 installation, just plain vanilla 1.2 no previous installation, never thought I would ever get passed the registration stage. I leave tomorrow for South Africa and want to take this codec with me, please get your registration sorted.

Like it was mentioned in a thread on the CoreAVC forum the cracked version doesn't provide these type of headaches.

[JohnnyFu]

-Minor speed improvements (about 1 to 5%).

Can't confirm that. I recorded the cpu usage using perfmon on two different video files. Each test has passed three times and i then calculated an avarage value.

First i ran CoreAVC 1.1.0.5 on overlay-mixer and haali (media player classic). Since haali needs alot more cpu i decided not use it in the tests.

http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/haali_overlay.png
Apple Ice Age II Trailer
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/coreavc_1.png
A 2minute sequence from BBC HD Planet Earth Episode 2 (MBAFF)
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/coreavc_2.png

I think there are technical limits for decoding speed and CoreAVC is probably close. However, main thing is that they fixed alot of bugs. I am sure we will see a speed improvement when they implement GPU support.

Edit:Error of measurement is about +-1%

[Thunderbolt8]

so according to these graphics, the speed increase / cpu usage decrease is basically neglible ?

considering my other point, I am right with the assumption that 1.2 is currently only available as update for those who already bought it ? if yes, when will the page be updated for the rest ?

[Sharktooth]

They sell coreavc 1.2 on their website. And no, its not only an update.
However im skeptic about activation and i will think twice before buying it.

[Sirber]

I am right with the assumption that 1.2 is currently only available as update for those who already bought it ? if yes, when will the page be updated for the rest ?If you haven't bought it, then how did you get it?

www.coreavc.com

[JohnnyFu]

considering my other point, I am right with the assumption that 1.2 is currently only available as update for those who already bought it ? if yes, when will the page be updated for the rest ?

You can buy CoreAVC 1.2 on www.coreavc.com (not coreavc.corecodec.com, this sub-domain has to be redirected i think)

Edit: Sirber beats me.. :)

[wiak]

for people that dont get the mail *CHECK* you junkmail/spam folder
and at BetaBoy the new account system dont tell you if you have successful registered, when you click register
:thanks:

[orbitlee]

SMP(multi-core CPU) support limit is reduced from 4 to 2, right?

[eyesonme]

my god，smp 4 to 2 orz

[Hans Ohlo]

SMP(multi-core CPU) support limit is reduced from 4 to 2, right?

WHAT!?! I payed for SMP support up to 4 processors/cores!

* Features in each CoreAVC Edition is subject to change.
that has to be a joke. man, guys i supported you from day one and this is what i get? i can not reinstall my pc without hastle and features get removed... WOW

[Sharktooth]

Have you got 4 CPU/Cores or are you planning to have them?

[Malow]

no trial version? :mad:

[Sharktooth]

Seems the trial version donwload button is not yet linked... so, guess what?

[Hans Ohlo]

Have you got 4 CPU/Cores or are you planning to have them?
as a matter of fact... yes. my issue is not that i totally need 4 cores to handle avc streams. it is the fact how corecodec handles their customers. (yes i allready wrote a mail directly to them).

[f@chance]

Quote of the day

i think this release is clearly dedicated to the new registration-system...

[wiak]

as a matter of fact... yes. my issue is not that i totally need 4 cores to handle avc streams. it is the fact how corecodec handles their customers. (yes i allready wrote a mail directly to them).

as long the readme.txt has been up it has allways sad that it has 2 cores/ 2 singel-cpu smp no more or less on the pro version


CoreAVC™ Professional Edition Decoder
- H.264 Baseline, Main, High profile support
- Interlaced support (PAFF and MBAFF)
- SMP (multi-core CPU) support (limit 2)
- GPU support*

[Thunderbolt8]

You can buy CoreAVC 1.2 on www.coreavc.com (not coreavc.corecodec.com, this sub-domain has to be redirected i think)

Edit: Sirber beats me.. :)

no, i cant. theres only coreavc 1.1 there.

[cacepi]

I'm too tired to laugh ;-).... Last thing we are now doing for Jarod is checking for site spelling errors (I am still sure he'll find a few i'll miss).He missed a few.

From the Company section:

"Founded in 2002, CoreCodec, Inc. is [?] privately held corporation whos focus is on Audio and Video Multimedia Technology."

SDK Licensing:

"CoreCodec offers pricing for licensing the source code for CoreAVC within it's SDK (Software Development Kit) for third party H.264 playback integration."

"after the evaluator/licensee completes a non disclosure, software evaluation agreements and answers a licensing questionaire."

And why does the bottom of the page say "This Category is currently empty "?

Just trying to help!

[Disabled]

as long the readme.txt has been up it has allways sad that it has 2 cores/ 2 singel-cpu smp no more or less on the pro version

Well I have a readme stating:
Version 1.1.0.5
[...]
CoreAVC. Professional Edition Decoder
- Baseline, Main, High profile support
- Interlaced support (PAFF and MBAFF)
- SMP (multi-core CPU) support (limit 4)
- GPU support*
*edit*
This statement was included in the decoder archive since V1.0.0.0

[Hans Ohlo]

*edit*
This statement was included in the decoder archive since V1.0.0.0
exactly. i am so pissed right now because i installed the decoder at my working place because i was eager to test it. no warning, now message where i had to agree with the online activation. so now at home i am not able to install the decoder at my media center pc.

[Disabled]

exactly. i am so pissed right now because i installed the decoder at my working place because i was eager to test it. no warning, now message where i had to agree with the online activation. so now at home i am not able to install the decoder at my media center pc.

I read somewhere that you can just download the file again and activate the new download. That would still stop illegal distribution and thus might be possible but would give you the option to reinstall it as often as you want.
I can confirm that the .ax has some bytes changed everytime you redownload the installer... I did not install the new version yet, as I'm still not trusting the new activation. And with no speed improvements (as reported by JFu) and no others advantages for me I'll keep running 1.1.0.5.

[oddball]

Help! I just purchased 1.2 pro version and when it forwards me to portal.coreforge.org I get this error.

"A serious error has occurred.Duplicate entry '1825' for key 1"

[Inventive Software]

Congratulations CoreCodec on the launch. You've managed to piss some people off (those who haven't read the whole thread no doubt), but others (JohnnyFu for example) have had no problems, so it's a little hit and miss. I'll wait a few months before purchasing for you lot to iron out the bugs in your systems. ;)

[oddball]

OK the page loaded and asked for me to register. I entered my details and now it wants a 16 digit registration number. I have not even got the software yet!

Nothing in my email inbox either!

[Jay Bee]

Can't confirm that. I recorded the cpu usage using perfmon on two different video files. Each test has passed three times and i then calculated an avarage value.


I can see one or two peaks in your graphs where the new version stays a few percent under the old one. :) But yeah, I guess I was just trying to look for something positive in this release. As it stands the release highlight really is the online activation. And after seeing a lot of the negativity here and at the CoreAVC forums I think Core have to seriously rethink their plans. I mean if they can't convince the doom9 people that their decoder is worth the hassle then how are they ever going to be successful anywhere else?

[AmbKosh]

Great. I'm also receiving the "A serious error has occurred.Duplicate entry '1828' for key 1" Message after I payed via PayPal.
OK. Now after I reloaded the page I'm at the same point as oddball. What is my 16-digit number? Where can I get it?

BetaBoy: What can I do now?

[JohnnyFu]

I can see one or two peaks in your graphs where the new version stays a few percent under the old one. :)

This is due to imprecise measurement of perfmon unfortunately i don't know a more precise way to do such records.

[BetaBoy]

Great. I'm also receiving the "A serious error has occurred.Duplicate entry '1828' for key 1" Message after I payed via PayPal.
OK. Now after I reloaded the page I'm at the same point as oddball. What is my 16-digit number? Where can I get it?

BetaBoy: What can I do now?
Copy and paste it to me and tell me how you got the error... betaboy@corecodec.com

[Disabled]

@BetaBoy
I'll stop ranting about activation for a moment and just ask you to tell us how activation works, what it is sending, how can we activate it with offline computers, what we are allowed to do and what we are not and everything else we should know.
I don't wanna find out the hard way I can only activate it once or such.
*edit*
Why do I have a calculator and a clock in the CoreAccount "My Webpage"?

[BetaBoy]

Jay Bee... or testing shows at the very least a 1% increase but as high as 5% on some files (stick with the low-end on average)

[AmbKosh]

Copy and paste it to me and tell me how you got the error... betaboy@corecodec.com

I just sent you an email with the description and the activation link which failed for me.

Thanks for you help.

[Hans Ohlo]

I read somewhere that you can just download the file again and activate the new download. That would still stop illegal distribution and thus might be possible but would give you the option to reinstall it as often as you want.
nope not working.

i understand the illegal use thing, but why should i buy 2 copies if i just want to use it on two machines but only on one at a time...

[oddball]

I've also just emailed you the activation link that failed. This is very frustrating.

[JohnnyFu]

or testing shows at the very least a 1% increase but as high as 5% on some files (stick with the low-end on average)

Yes there is a little (about 0.5% to 1%) improvement on the Planet Earth movie i have tested.
I will test more video files tomorrow.

For those who are interessted i attached the excel sheet from the screens i posted before in this thread.

Edit: can someone translate or write "(stick with the low-end on average)" with other words for me ?

[Disabled]

nope not working.

Ok, so this thing has a more strict activation than every other software I know of... Great!

i understand the illegal use thing, but why should i buy 2 copies if i just want to use it on two machines but only on one at a time...
I agree with you somehow. But the MPEG LA is forcing you to buy two licences for two installed decoders too. So I can somehow understand if core would not allow this use. Usually you can install it anyway, as you can activate normal software more than once, but that does not imply that its legal to use it on two machines.

IMHO it shoud be legal, to have the installer on both machines and deinstall it every time you shut down your computer and install it on every start... (assuming you have just one computer running at a time)

[oddball]

P.S. raising a ticket on the portal site does not seem to work properly in Seamonkey but that's probably because I use Multizilla for tabbing in it and Adblock. The product type selection pops up in a new tab and the javascript fails when I click on any product. It does nothing and I am unable to select the product type in the previous tab. Better to have a drop down box for that anyhow.

[Malow]

-Surprisingly x264 interlaced and Elecard/Mainconcept MBAFF still don't work. I hope there will be a quick fix for this.

ow, great.. so much waiting for nothing... trial download not ready yet... so i can't even test it also... "little" disappointing... :(

[Jay Bee]

Jay Bee... or testing shows at the very least a 1% increase but as high as 5% on some files (stick with the low-end on average)

Hehe, exactly the numbers I mentioned further up after looking at a few perfmon graphs.

Another thing: I wanted to log-in again to the page linked in the email to have a look around the new site. When I click on "Sign In" a download window of the CoreAVC exe pops up and I can't get into the site. There's a trick for me to get in though: enter a wrong password! :scared:

[oddball]

Ridiculous. You would have thought they would beta test their registration system and website before going live.

[Dregelmyller]

I purchased it today but have not received any code or installer,
the whole process seems kind of complicated.

I registered a core account and it askes for a ID number.

What am i supposed to do ? :)

[AmbKosh]

What am i supposed to do ? :)

Dregelmyller: put you name on the waiting list and take you place in the queue behine oddball and me... ;)

[oddball]

Do a little dance. Make a little love. Get down tonight!

[Dregelmyller]

Dregelmyller: put you name on the waiting list and take you place in the queue behine oddball and me... ;)

Hehe, owell it feels good i am not the only one :P

[BetaBoy]

@BetaBoy
I'll stop ranting about activation for a moment and just ask you to tell us how activation works, what it is sending, how can we activate it with offline computers, what we are allowed to do and what we are not and everything else we should know.
I don't wanna find out the hard way I can only activate it once or such.

We are adding offline registration within your Core Account... you simply populate the info and it compiles an installer for you... We are working on that now.

[smok3]

so my coreavc workflow for today was;

delete the old install > get the new version > install the new version > visit recycle bin :)

[Disabled]

Just found something about the activation in the corecodec forums from BetaBoy
- Activation occurs during the install process
- The registration is linked to your Core Account
- The registration is linked to your Windows OS

Downloads and updates will be available as 'self-serve' from your Core Account. For those that mentioned 'offline registration' or for those behind a strict firewall... Your Core Account will have an offline availability mode to download an installer compiled JUST for your OS.
http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3491.msg20913#msg20913

*edit*
We are adding offline registration within your Core Account... you simply populate the info and it compiles an installer for you... We are working on that now.
Well thanks for the info, but could you please tell me what infos youre thinking about?
And can you please tell me if I am allowed to reinstall my Windows and still be able to activate CoreAVC? And all the other questions that still arrise here?

[Dregelmyller]

I am also interested in knowing what happens after reformat,
if i buy Vista or buy new hardware.

[oddball]

Erm. So when can I expect to recieve the goods I paid for? I have sent the relevant details. All I need is a download link and reg number. Is it really that hard to do?

[BetaBoy]

ow, great.. so much waiting for nothing... trial download not ready yet... so i can't even test it also... "little" disappointing... :(

Malow... Trial is on the todo for a few hours.

[BetaBoy]

Just found something about the activation in the corecodec forums from BetaBoy

http://www.corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3491.msg20913#msg20913

*edit*

Well thanks for the info, but could you please tell me what infos youre thinking about?
And can you please tell me if I am allowed to reinstall my Windows and still be able to activate CoreAVC? And all the other questions that still arrise here?

Reinstallation will work with the same installer your downloaded no problem.

[BetaBoy]

Erm. So when can I expect to recieve the goods I paid for? I have sent the relevant details. All I need is a download link and reg number. Is it really that hard to do?

oddball... PM me the email address you purchased it with and i'll take care of it for you.

[Sirber]

Changes from 1.1 to 1.2:
* $20 now $15
* SMP on 4 CPU now 2 CPU
* no limit/activation now max 1 machine

feels like I've been screwed (bought 1.1).

[BetaBoy]

The reason SMP changed is a limit of the current code.... once completed we will change it to a higher limit again... its just a matter of being upfront of the current limitation.

[DigitalDeviant]

Ok, here is what I've been getting since 9am EST:

Unable to obtain serial number
from remote server. Please contact CoreCodec.Sales@gmail.com

I emailed the address right away and opened a ticket from my account. Danny emailed me back right away telling me to disable my firewall and run a tracerout. I did both and emailed him that neither seemed to be the cause.

Now there is another item appearing in my account with a new download link. The new link just takes me to a page that says "Error" and nothing else. I emailed a second reply a couple hours ago and still haven't heard anything.

[Romario]

That's strange. It's a very clear proof that CoreCodec is a foolish company. Their support to the customers is very bad.

I tried to download trial version, but nothing happens.

[DeepBeepMeep]

The reason SMP changed is a limit of the current code.... once completed we will change it to a higher limit again... its just a matter of being upfront of the current limitation.

So why not don't you add a "* future support for 4 cores" instead of giving us the feeling that the license for product has changed. It would not shock anyone since the "*" is already used to announce GPU support...

Well, I must say I am quite disapointed with this release. I think you should not be surprised when you have created such high expections.

It doesn't look you have been working on the decoder all this time. It seems more you have spent creating your very popular activation system and working on some other projects.

The activation system would not be such a big deal if it didn't look like spyware: no information about its existence is mentioned. No warning is given when it calls home. In fact, I still don't have any clue which personal information of mine has been sent to your server. And ovbiously given the repeated questions of other people here you are not going to answer that question.

In fact wht I regret the most is the "yes" attitude giving us wrongly the feeling that you have been listening to bug reports:
- Where is the support for interlaced Elecard and x264?
- Where did you fix the black level problem ? the black is still grey in overlay and VMR9 and requires to use ffdshow to be reduced to a correct level. Which means that if we want to have a decent PQ we must sacrify extra CPU so globally the decoder turns out to be slower.

Oh well, maybe these will be fixed 6 months from now...

[f@chance]

@BetaBoy

Thanks for addressing my problem NOT. It is almost 12 hours now that I have waited to log into my account because what Dan calls a browser bug. You are kidding right, you tested this bloody registration gizmo long enough to now find out you have a browser bug. 7 hours to get your emails out or we are done and PayPal will have a dispute to process.

[Sirber]

Source: Naruto E26 (x264, 640x480p)
CPU: AMD64 3000+

VLC: 10 - 15% CPU
MPC + CoreAVC: 8 - 15% CPU
MPC + Nero Decoder: 16 - 25% CPU
MPC + ffdshow: 15 - 20% CPU

[BetaBoy]

Ok, here is what I've been getting since 9am EST:

Unable to obtain serial number
from remote server. Please contact CoreCodec.Sales@gmail.com

I emailed the address right away and opened a ticket from my account. Danny emailed me back right away telling me to disable my firewall and run a tracerout. I did both and emailed him that neither seemed to be the cause.

Now there is another item appearing in my account with a new download link. The new link just takes me to a page that says "Error" and nothing else. I emailed a second reply a couple hours ago and still haven't heard anything.

We are answering emails as fast as we can... thx for your patience.

[BetaBoy]

For those that have had an issue registering when running the CoreAVC installer... we have identified a DNS issue that we have fixed. Now we need it to propagate.

[acidsex]

if we purchased previous versions, do we have to pay for the upgrade to 1.2?

[Sirber]

if we purchased previous versions, do we have to pay for the upgrade to 1.2?no. it's free!!! but need to be activated.

[IgorC]

Source: Naruto E26 (x264, 640x480p)
CPU: AMD64 3000+

VLC: 10 - 15% CPU
MPC + CoreAVC: 8 - 15% CPU
MPC + Nero Decoder: 16 - 25% CPU
MPC + ffdshow: 15 - 20% CPU
But for different resolutions and bitrates there are different performances.
While VLC decodes only low resolution and bitrates it is fast. When bitrates and/or resolution increase CPU usage grow without proportions comparing to other decoders. Maybe cabac and deblock aren't enough optimizied.

[oddball]

Still waiting for the software and regkey. How many people have emailed you? I can't believe it takes this long. Unless you are swamped by unhappy customers.

[Shinigami-Sama]

Still waiting for the software and regkey. How many people have emailed you? I can't believe it takes this long. Unless you are swamped by unhappy customers.

core is very small man
its not like a huge mega company or anything
last I seen there was less than 40 people, most of them deal with coding
so go take a chill pill
we're all adults here..

[Ginsonic]

Also waiting for my update notification. But I understand, that Core team has much work now and I will have further patience !

[BetaBoy]

Also waiting for my update notification. But I understand, that Core team has much work now and I will have further patience !

Thx...... we are knocking out most of the small issues. It seems the biggest one is the DNS issue. This we have no control over and we just need the changes to propagate over the next 48 hours.

[Ginsonic]

It seems the biggest one is the DNS issue
I just noticed, when opening coreavc.com !

[f@chance]

@Betaboy

You had 9 hours to knock out an email and it is now 20 hours since I could not EVEN log into my account much less download the product.

Considere we are done. Dispute raised with PayPal. If this is the shape of things to come I will get the processor to handle h.264 and forget CoreAVC.

[BetaBoy]

Can someone send me a sample of the Deinterlacing of interlaced x264 and Elecard MBAFF files that doesn't work... keep it under 4MB email it to betaboy@corecodec.com

Thx!

[BetaBoy]

@Betaboy

You had 9 hours to knock out an email and it is now 20 hours since I could not EVEN log into my account much less download the product.

Considere we are done. Dispute raised with PayPal. If this is the shape of things to come I will get the processor to handle h.264 and forget CoreAVC.

f@chance... I am addressing your issue as we speak. It looks like you should be able to login to your account from here. PM me and i'll give you more details.

[Ginsonic]

BetaBoy, BTW when adressing issues: Yesterday I sent You a second email containing a PDF with all PayPal transaction details from June, in case this can help to find my payment in Your system.

[BetaBoy]

BetaBoy, BTW when adressing issues: Yesterday I sent You a second email containing a PDF with all PayPal transaction details from June, in case this can help to find my payment in Your system.
Thx... got it...

[foxyshadis]

Man, Core has these issues every time they release a product, thanks to thousands of people rushing onto the site, and hundreds sending queries and support requests. This is what you get for getting the product the hour of release, especially since it's a whole new site. Most companies have these kinds of problems when they roll out a new anticipated product, or a new website, let alone both. I don't see how you can condemn the company so unilaterally because it's taking a few hours to answer problems, oddball, and it won't help you get support much faster. A few days, that's when it starts getting rediculous.

The DNS isn't working right for me, but then, my ISP is terribly slow at updating.

BetaBoy, you might want to put CoreCodec.com in your sig, since .org is a totally different site and it's not obvious how to get to the pay site from there.

I'd also like to hear the plans for moving activations, once you have breathing time.

[BetaBoy]

We are adding alot of 'self-serve' components... as we go. I'll also change my sig next week once we bring up the new CoreCodec.com and take down CoreCorec.org and migrate all the projects to CoreForge.org

[HookedOnTV]

New version fixed the MCE2005 freeze after stop issue.

[BetaBoy]

We see what alot of ppl are doing now... do NOT use the old services ID and password. As the upgrade email indicates this is a new system...

1 - Create a new ID /Password
2 - Log into your Core Account
3 - Click the email that was originally sent to you

Once logged in you will see a link to 'MY PURCHASES'. Click that link and then your order #. You will then see a download link on the right side.

[JohnnyFu]

Hey guys,

I have tested another two videos and finally measured a speed improvment.

the_greatest_game_ever_played from nerodigital.com, results equal
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/coreavc_4.png
And here.... (2 minute sequence from BBC HD Torchwood episode 1) a slight but free of doubt measurable speed improvment.
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/coreavc_3.png

excel sheet attached

[BetaBoy]

Thats one of the files I tested against and got similar percentage results...

[JohnnyFu]

You talking about bbc torchwood right ? Have you recorded the whole episode, or just a sequence too ?

OT: your new avatar... you are the knight rider, right ?

Watch out for Betaboy !
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/betaboy_2.jpg

[pankov]

We see what alot of ppl are doing now... do NOT use the old services ID and password. As the upgrade email indicates this is a new system...

1 - Create a new ID /Password
2 - Log into your Core Account
3 - Click the email that was originally sent to you

Once logged in you will see a link to 'MY PURCHASES'. Click that link and then your order #. You will then see a download link on the right side.
I did that and I did see the link but while searching for the original mail I accidentally closed the browser window. After I opened the site again I can't find the place to enter my order #. I see "My Home Page > Home" and Sales and Support and preferences and other but no "My Purchases"
:(
What am I missing here?

[BetaBoy]

You talking about bbc torchwood right ? Have you recorded the whole episode, or just a sequence too ?

OT: your new avatar... you are the knight rider, right ?

Watch out for Betaboy !
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/betaboy_2.jpg

The avatar is a play more or less here in the US... ppl love to 'hate' on the HOFF. I personally love the South Park episode that image was taken from... what a classic.

[Mc Onyx]

I apologize if this has been asked before, but which version will support GPU acceleration?

[oddball]

I still cannot download the software! I clicked on the download link in the portal and all it does is return a webpage with 'Error' at the top. Nothing else!

[BetaBoy]

I did that and I did see the link but while searching for the original mail I accidentally closed the browser window. After I opened the site again I can't find the place to enter my order #. I see "My Home Page > Home" and Sales and Support and preferences and other but no "My Purchases"
:(
What am I missing here?

We are working on the manual method atm...

[Inventive Software]

Ouch! Seems you people are having teething problems. How long ideally should I wait before purchasing IYO Betaboy? I'm generally quite patient...... :D

[oddball]

That method does not work. All that happens is a webpage with 'Error.' is displayed.

[oddball]

Ouch! Seems you people are having teething problems. How long ideally should I wait before purchasing IYO Betaboy? I'm generally quite patient...... :D

Next year.

[BetaBoy]

That method does not work. All that happens is a webpage with 'Error.' is displayed.

OB... PM...

[dk75]

After the "go to frame" positioned frame doesn't decoded, so you need to play and pause picture again :)
GraphEdit, AviSynth and "ImageWriter" function.

[Hans Ohlo]

sorry i have to complain again. but your activation method is he most bad i have ever run into. i installed the update on my work pc to test it. since then i am not able to install it here. why am i not able to reset the pc i want to install it on. i worte a mail and got two answers but till now no reset of the pc.

what happens if i install it and two days later want to give vista a run. do i have to wait a week to get it installed on vista? i mean windows itself can be activated liek 10 times at least before i have to phone to microsoft. but even then it is a matter of minutes to get it running and activated.
what is the matter with your activation scheme?
why can't we decide where to install or move our license?
why should we contact you if we reinstall our systems?
on what system parameters does the activation depend?
why do not give us the rights to change things on our systems?
why should i have to crawl to the cross and confess what i have changed on my system so that corecodec is forgiving and lets me activate my software again?

i see myself trying to explain myself to people that should have no concern what i changed on my system. why should i depend on their judgement to use the software i PAID for? why should i have to wait DAYS after a system change to be able to use the software again i PAID for?

why was i not made aware of the actions taken during install and that i may not be able to switch the software over to another system?

answers please...

[oddball]

I think all the above proves that activation and DRM do only one thing. Penalise the legitimate user.

[Sirber]

I think all the above proves that activation and DRM do only one thing. Penalise the legitimate user.Always been like that. Even the legitimate user wants to get the pirated copy after coz it has less crap.

[fenomeno83]

I can't pay coreavc with my postepay card(registered to paypal)!!!:(

[Zagor]

What a sad, sad, turn of events. I was really looking forward to this release. I had my credit card ready to purchase this version. After reading this thread, the credit card is back in my wallet. Another lost sale due to unreasonable DRM.

[Hans Ohlo]

if i spend the money to scare of at least one potential buyer i think i spend it good. again, i bought it to support corecodec. they did some minor fixes to the decoder and included this abysmal activation scheme which renders the software useless to powerusers (or professionals like in coreAVC professional) which work with their system and from time to time play around with new hardware and software...

[Malow]

owwwkey, the trial link was asking to login, but what login? the forum login? where to register?

ops, the trial link is gone... I'm little lost... again...

[oddball]

Still unable to download it. Looks like I will be following others in raising a Paypal dispute. Sigh....

[Inventive Software]

All the more reason for me to wait till Xmas then. It would be a nice pressie to have decent AVC playback on my Celeron 800.

[fenomeno83]

I want buy coreavc but when I want pay with paypal a message shows that but my card(postepay)isn't accepted!!But with postepay(registarered to paypal)I buy on Ebay!!!Why I can't pay coreavc??

[Px]

Hey guys,

I have tested another two videos and finally measured a speed improvment.
I think that it's more meashurment error, nor speed improvement ;)

[Px]

GraphEdit, AviSynth and "ImageWriter" function.
It's looks like have sex in hammock with gas-mask and scis ;) :D :D :D

[Shinglor]

What a sad, sad, turn of events. I was really looking forward to this release. I had my credit card ready to purchase this version. After reading this thread, the credit card is back in my wallet. Another lost sale due to unreasonable DRM.

That's great for you, but existing customers (like myself) are forced to take the DRM crippled version in order to download bugfixes and promised features (GPU accel.). I don't need a full account management website, exaggered registration processes or even an installer. I don't know the details of the activation process but if CoreAVC servers go down are we still able to install and use CoreAVC?

Here's how it should work: I give CoreAVC my money and they give me a simple DirectShow filter in a zip file (by email or http). It's a decoder, it's not an operating system.

[oddball]

Paypal dispute logged. Sorry but this is beyond ridiculous. I refuse to see why we should suffer your incompetence at being unable to supply the goods we have paid for.

[Zag]

That's great for you, but existing customers (like myself) are forced to take the DRM crippled version in order to download bugfixes and promised features (GPU accel.). I don't need a full account management website, exaggered registration processes or even an installer. I don't know the details of the activation process but if CoreAVC servers go down are we still able to install and use CoreAVC?

Here's how it should work: I give CoreAVC my money and they give me a simple DirectShow filter in a zip file (by email or http). It's a decoder, it's not an operating system.

No, it's not great for me. I really wanted coreavc and now I won't have it and will have to go a different route. The ironic thing is that it is priced just right and I would have seriously doubted piracy would have been much of an issue. Instead now I believe piracy will become an issue due to this draconian DRM and because hackers will be motivated to see who can hack it first. It's a challenge hard to ignore. It just saddens me.

[BetaBoy]

All... as I have stated we are sorry for any delay... we have been manually sending out registrations and its taking a little longer then anticipated even with 3 people working on them.

For those like oddball that cannot wait pls request a refund from PayPal while we iron out the delivery/registration problem. So for now to help us focus... we have suspended the purchasing of CoreAVC while we work on the current registered users.

[Hans Ohlo]

For those like oddball that cannot wait pls request a refund from PayPal while we iron out the delivery/registration problem. So for now to help us focus... we have suspended the purchasing of CoreAVC while we work on the current registered users.
i think thats all we every going to get from corecodec: no comments on the messed up activation.

i honestly need to say that the minute a hacked version appears on the net i will use it. man, i payed for this an am not able to use it correctly.

[JohnnyFu]

I think that it's more meashurment error, nor speed improvement ;)

Nope, it´s definitely not a measurement error. I played alot with perfmon the last weeks. I have done at least 50 test records. The highest measurement differences i found were at maximum 1,5%, so everything in the range of +-0.75% is probable a measurement error. But in this case the biggest difference i found was 2.3%. I mean the results are not 100% accurate, but the improvement is measurable.

[Shinigami-Sama]

All... as I have stated we are sorry for any delay... we have been manually sending out registrations and its taking a little longer then anticipated even with 3 people working on them.

For those like oddball that cannot wait pls request a refund from PayPal while we iron out the delivery/registration problem. So for now to help us focus... we have suspended the purchasing of CoreAVC while we work on the current registered users.

see what happens when you let random people push your schedual?
:P

hope it all works out for ya mate

[BetaBoy]

see what happens when you let random people push your schedual?
:P

hope it all works out for ya mate

Thx... we are getting caught up... by tomorrow morning we will be in alot better shape and then can concentrate on the upgrade requests and the ppl that had upgraded along the way but did not get an email.

[emmel]

Thanks for the update.

There is, however, a problem: Fsecure is not happy at all with the installer (PECompact). Any ideas?

[Inventive Software]

Whatever happened to people using NSIS eh? :D

[CruNcher]

emmel false report ignore it, but that doesn't mean you should allways ignore such warnings :P

[crypto]

This is a farce. On a forum which stands for free media, their own members introduce drm. Can this thread please be closed.

[emmel]

emmel false report ignore it, but that doesn't mean you should allways ignore such warnings :P

Well yes, usually I do ignore such warnings, at least after a cross check with another scanner and negative reports from other users.

This time it is not just the installer Fsecure wants to kill, it also wants to kill the ax whenever it loads and connects to the graph.

Hard to ignore the warning, untill I get renewed signatures and an updated database from Fsecure it self. Or then, I should disactivate the protection while using CoreAVC. And I'm not ready to go that far, given that we are talking about an application that protrecs it self by unknown means.

So, no 1.2.0 for me until Fsecure says ok. Probably not even after that.

bye

[Carpo]

PECompact - is safe to ignore in this instance as this normaly means the installer was compressed using UPX - its a form of compression.

Although only ignore such warnings if its from a trusted source as there are some little nasties about that use upx.

[bob0r]

This is a farce. On a forum which stands for free media, their on members introduce drm. Can this thread please be closed.

We can try to UnDRM CoreAVC also.... so we can keep eachother busy (ofcourse you still need to to buy it to use it)


Note for CoreAVC people:
- 4 or 5 activates PER downloaded file.
- Interlacing to be fixed, but quickly (especially BBC-HD MBAFF), quicker bugfixes in general.
- Better planning in general.
- No more advertising features that will never be aded, or will be added in 2019.
- Multi Core support, going back from 4 to just 2 cores (2 threads?) is really bad, when you have a 4 or more core system.

If those "issues" can be resolved within a reasonable timeline, lets's say 1 day - 1 month, then maybe my respect for the proper coding will return, but as it stands now, i rather buy a $3000 CPU just to decode with ffmpeg.

[dumbas..]

...thanks to thousands of people rushing onto the site, and hundreds sending queries and support requests. This is what you get for getting the product the hour of release, especially since it's a whole new site. Most companies have these kinds of problems when they roll out a new anticipated product, or a new website, let alone both. I don't see how you can condemn the company so unilaterally because it's taking a few hours to answer problems, oddball, and it won't help you get support much faster. A few days, that's when it starts getting ridiculous....

foxyshadis, I quoted this piece of sanity of yours on another board I hope you don't mind....
-----------------------------------------------------------
Personally, I got my upgrade without issue, delay or problems.
I respect Core for what they produce. And dont get out of my pram when I can't have it NOW!! as some would say here!

[Inventive Software]

Agreed. This is exactly why I'm waiting, and I praise Core for trying to sort the issues, but people whingeing when something doesn't work and lodging complaints instead of asking for help won't get them any further.

And for the non-DRM fanboys: I've said it before, I'll say it again, DRM is here to stay, we just have to live with it and work around the issues. You don't like CoreAVC? Use ffdshow. No plug intended Betaboy. :p

[dk75]

It's looks like have sex in hammock with gas-mask and scis ;) :D :D :D
Maybe, but with this you could save exactly these same frame every time you run it with whatever decoders you use it.

[Disabled]

And for the non-DRM fanboys: I've said it before, I'll say it again, DRM is here to stay, we just have to live with it and work around the issues. You don't like CoreAVC? Use ffdshow. No plug intended Betaboy. :p
Well Nuclear Weapons are here to stay, we just have to live with it. [Unfortunately I didn't come up with something more stupid]
I see two different movements in the software world: One is going drm and securing everything, the other is going open source...

@BetaBoy
I still would like to know what we are allowed to do with our "right to use the software". How do reinstallations work? What data gets send to you? I don't want my Windows key get transfered to you and such... And please! integrate a warning message, that the software needs activation!

[Romario]

This is a farce. On a forum which stands for free media, their own members introduce drm. Can this thread please be closed.

I agree with you, totally. If BetaBoy don't clarify some things about activation, this thread SHOULD be closed.

I also don't want to give him any detail, such as home address, phone number...

[Sharktooth]

I tend to agree with anti-DRM ppl too but i also understand Betaboy and his company try to protect their business and try earn some well deserved money.
If i was in their shoes i would release a free version (with the possibility for the user to donate money if he likes it) with all the pro features for PERSONAL USE ONLY, without support and without activation and other User-pissing(tm) stuff and then the COMMERCIAL versions at a higher price.
Im a supporter of the "closed source but free" programs for the home user (like the opera browser or free antiviruses/antispyware, free divx codec, etc...).
The home user has already too much money and time to spend for the hardware and the indispensable softwares (thanks to the dumb companies that sell those software at impossible prices and dont understand the end user usually pirate it for money reasons or just for all the annoying license restrictions and agreements written in cryptographic language) he cant stand an increasingly outcome for every small but usefull softwares. Yes, there are free alternatives that sometimes are even better than commercial softwares, but sometimes he has no choice... and he has no unlimited funds...

[Ginsonic]

BetaBoy: My patience is almost exhausted ;)
Still waiting for my update email !

[f@chance]

To anyone that is considering this product here is my story.

After Paypal confirmation I was redirected to the registration page. After registering nothing happened except the entry fields were cleared. No confirmation of successful registration no email no NOTHING.

When trying to login into my account it says invalid user or wrong password. When trying to register it says this email address is in use.

This was on the day when v. 1.2 was released. I fired off a few emails explain the situation. The reply was that they had a browser failure and try to login again.

HELLO I can't because I have no valid account. SO again email to explain my situation. I received detailed information on how to log in and click on the download link. The density of CoreAVC support is unsurpassed.

Further explanation and repeat explanation from past email correspondence. This time instructions of a differentkind of login AND click on the link that we send you informing you of the update.

HELLO I am a first time user with version 1.2 Since the day of the release of v 1.2 I have gotten no further with CoreAVC support then a login page that tells me of invalid user registration details.

To all those that post here the BS about CoreAVC being a small company and so forth, they are a business and as a business if they make the decision to implement a disatrous activation scheme for a $15 codec, then they deserve everything that comes with that business decision. They are not in the handout business and if you pay for a product you expect service or the product itself not a long line of excuses and explanations.

Never in my live had I have to deal with such incompetent support that can't get a disastrous roll out fixed.

Off Soapbox and still waiting to download what I paid for almost a week ago.

EDIT:
Just caught up with the posts here and just realized that the problems have just begun with running this piece of software on different partitions or machines. NOT FOR ME Paypal dispute must be escalated to PayPal claim to get your money back. And I will also buy the CPU horsepower to handle the decoding.

[Jay Bee]

About the software activation issue:

I think that without even getting into whether the system is appropriate or unfair or understandable or overkill or whatever I think that Core have been quite short-sighted or naive if they thought they could really introduce DRM without a major backlash from the users.

I mean even if they had the best and fairest activation system ever (which they don't) DRM would still be an issue that pisses lot's of people off, they should have foreseen it, it's no secret, just visit slashdot or google "DRM" to find out what people think about it. What I'm trying to say is that even if in reality DRM wasn't really as bad as its reputation then that wouldn't change the fact that the public opinion of DRM is still what it is and this cannot be a good thing for the business of a small company that caters to an extremely techy crowd.

There are also very practical problems. I for one like to make encodes that are easy for other people to view. Now I can't make an encode that needs CoreAVC for playback and give it to someone and say: now you just need to buy CoreAVC, make sure you have your internet running and your firewall open when you install it and, oh, you will only be able to ever watch it on the same machine that you first installed it to. The reaction would of course be "Err, no thx, can't you make an Xvid or DVD version?".

Now, just to be clear, I don't think Core are in anyway evil or unintelligent and I sure hope they will be able to run a successful business in the future but I think they absolutely have to realize that having more negative than positive reactions in a "fan forum" right after the release of a new version is an event that should be taken seriously. Very seriously. It's not the first time I've seen it and the product I'm thinking of pretty much died shortly after.

[Kurtnoise]

Just my 2€ cents...

Thank you and good luck to CC.com team. You've made great tools. CoreAVC is very powerfull. I use it almost every day for my avc backups. Keep up the good work despite registration issues.

and btw, you know what ? 1€ ~= 1,24919 US$ here. So, move to Europe guys...Life is cheaper. :D

[Dregelmyller]

A question for betaboy.

Has there been any e-mails with the codec sent ppl yet ? becouse my ISPs mailserver has been malfunctioning for 1 & 1/2 day. All e-mails sent to me are gone.

Just want to know so i didnt miss anything..

Seems its easier contacting you here than over mail..

[Romario]

It's very obvious that BetaBoy won't clarify these things about activation.

[Inventive Software]

and btw, you know what ? 1€ ~= 1,24919 US$ here. So, move to Europe guys...Life is cheaper. :D

Even cheaper here in the good ol' United Kingdom! £1 = $1.89!!! So it's around £8 for me! :D:D:D:D:D:D

[oddball]

I have just returned after spending 2 days with my parents and STILL have no software and ZERO response from BetaBoy and ZERO response to my raised tickets. ZERO emails. ZERO response from PayPal too.

ZERO! NOTHING! NADA!

My recommendation is to AVOID this company altogether. I don't care how great your codec is. If you have already paid and have difficulty getting your money back I will not blame you for finding a cracked version when it appears.


This whole thing has been a complete farce from start to finish! I also recommend that when the dust has settled that this thread be closed and any threads about this now DRM infected product be approached with caution by Doom9 members.

[AmbKosh]

I have just returned after spending 2 days with my parents and STILL have no software and ZERO response from BetaBoy and ZERO response to my raised tickets. ZERO emails. ZERO response from PayPal too.

OK. Then it seems I was more in luck than you, oddball. BetaBoy responded to my PMs in this forum in a timely manner. In my profile at CoreAccount I can see my purchase and see my download key. But I'm still not able to download the software, but I hope BetaBoy will fix this soon.

I agree, the ride could have been much more smooth, but I hope the software is worth the waiting.

[oddball]

No he did contact me in the a PM and debugged it as I was logging in apparently so could see what was going on. But still. 2 days to get that link working???

[Inventive Software]

Also bear in mind oddball, that he may not work on a Sunday...... so that's one day you can credit him for NOT working tirelessly just to get one customer his codec working. For all we know, he could have just taken a well-deserved rest. He's taken a lotta stick in this thread (mostly from you it has to be said), so IMO needs Sunday as a time-out, as the good Lord intended. However, he's also in the USA, so he won't start work till 1pm GMT at least (that's East Coast, West Coast add another couple hours).

EDIT: Did you actually request a refund from Betaboy as he said to do if you're having problems?

[Sharktooth]

All those problems wouldnt have happened if Core didnt add all those "restrictions" and useless accounting system.
I'll continue to believe in what i wrote here: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=902416&postcount=2142
... and im glad i decided to wait and didnt buy the thing ...

[BetaBoy]

BetaBoy: My patience is almost exhausted ;)
Still waiting for my update email !

Ginsonic.... PM me the email addy you used you purchase it... thx

[AmbKosh]

BetaBoy: Any news regarding the broken "Download" links in the profile? Do you have an idea, when I will be able to download the software?

[Episodio1]

Why can't Betaboy send the software attached by email to the people having problems downloading it ??

[Sirber]

coz of activation. each installer is custom.
like if I send you mine it won't work.

[Episodio1]

Oh! I thought you entered a serial number and the installer would check it online.

[Shinigami-Sama]

All those problems wouldnt have happened if Core didnt add all those "restrictions" and useless accounting system.
I'll continue to believe in what i wrote here: http://forum.doom9.org/showpost.php?p=902416&postcount=2142
... and im glad i decided to wait and didnt buy the thing ...
this is why I never buy brand new software
I wait for all the fools to do all the growing pains for me :)
I dont have a problem with activation as long as it works

that said
I plan on buying this when I start to have time to make use of it
AKA summer+

[Romario]

My recommendation is to AVOID this company altogether. I don't care how great your codec is. If you have already paid and have difficulty getting your money back I will not blame you for finding a cracked version when it appears.

I sorry if some member find my attitude somewhat strange, but oddball is right, all the time. If CoreCodec company can't resolve minor bugs, then they deserve punishment (cracked version on Emule, for example).

[Sirber]

I was more expecting GPU support than DRM infection...

[Isochroma]

@BetaBoy: some thoughts on VMR9 and its colorspace clamping, particularly that it limits YUV output luma to 16-235. How does your DS filter get around this?

[foxyshadis]

Maybe the trouble here is that we need one of these for core... Valve Time (http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time) ;)

[G_M_C]

What a sad, sad, turn of events. I was really looking forward to this release. I had my credit card ready to purchase this version. After reading this thread, the credit card is back in my wallet. Another lost sale due to unreasonable DRM.

Me too, but reading all the messages on in this thread has put me of immediatly. As will a lot of others after reading this thread, i suspect.

And the most rediculous side to it is that they'' ve got big problems with the DRM theirselves. Nobody in the entire world has been able to buy stuff from them for many day's now. If the argument is that DRM is implemented so that they hav better revenues, then please recaclulate that idea and include some weeks downtime (and NO SALE).

i think thats all we every going to get from corecodec: no comments on the messed up activation.

i honestly need to say that the minute a hacked version appears on the net i will use it. man, i payed for this an am not able to use it correctly.

When reading further i even realised that CC chose to ignore their users. The lack of support added to my resolve/conclusion NOT TO ADVISE HIS SOFTWARE to anyone who asks about it (at work); Let allone use it myself.

To anyone that is considering this product here is my story.

After Paypal confirmation I was redirected to the registration page. After registering nothing happened except the entry fields were cleared. No confirmation of successful registration no email no NOTHING.

When trying to login into my account it says invalid user or wrong password. When trying to register it says this email address is in use.

This was on the day when v. 1.2 was released. I fired off a few emails explain the situation. The reply was that they had a browser failure and try to login again.

HELLO I can't because I have no valid account. SO again email to explain my situation. I received detailed information on how to log in and click on the download link. The density of CoreAVC support is unsurpassed.

Further explanation and repeat explanation from past email correspondence. This time instructions of a differentkind of login AND click on the link that we send you informing you of the update.

HELLO I am a first time user with version 1.2 Since the day of the release of v 1.2 I have gotten no further with CoreAVC support then a login page that tells me of invalid user registration details.

To all those that post here the BS about CoreAVC being a small company and so forth, they are a business and as a business if they make the decision to implement a disatrous activation scheme for a $15 codec, then they deserve everything that comes with that business decision. They are not in the handout business and if you pay for a product you expect service or the product itself not a long line of excuses and explanations.

Never in my live had I have to deal with such incompetent support that can't get a disastrous roll out fixed.

Off Soapbox and still waiting to download what I paid for almost a week ago.

EDIT:
Just caught up with the posts here and just realized that the problems have just begun with running this piece of software on different partitions or machines. NOT FOR ME Paypal dispute must be escalated to PayPal claim to get your money back. And I will also buy the CPU horsepower to handle the decoding.

Add to my arguments/opinions above the clear fact that customer support that seems worse than that of many othe companies (even Microsoft has a far superiour customer support it seems).

Then the equation is easily made; This software might be good, but the company that sells it makes the software, in this form, to be avoided imho.

I wouldn't be at al surprised if the numer of pirated versions going around will rise steeply ....

Even cheaper here in the good ol' United Kingdom! £1 = $1.89!!! So it's around £8 for me! :D:D:D:D:D:D

I live in Europe too, but i dont like beeing screwed for a mere 8 euro's .... try paying that in Amsterdam's red light district :D

[HookedOnTV]

Is the Vista version available yet?

[Chainmax]

I take it an agreement was never reached to include CoreAVC in XMBC?

[Seb.26]

I take it an agreement was never reached to include CoreAVC in XMBC?
Have you try to add it to the codec list ? ... it's a pure directshow filter ... it could work fine ... ;)

But you will have a problem with activation procedure ... hard to do on classic PC, imagine on xbox ... lol ... try v1.1 or an old one ...

[PS: how funny this thread is ... ]

[Malow]

...but as it stands now, i rather buy a $3000 CPU just to decode with ffmpeg.

i guess a more power CPU and ffdshow will be my savior. i prefer to spend my money donating to help their development... i guess i will have more support... and less "silent"... :o

[blubberbirne]

@ Betaboy

Today i installed Windows new. And now i get the folling error....

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7294/whatsp8.jpg

[Hans Ohlo]

@ Betaboy

Today i installed Windows new. And now i get the folling error....

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7294/whatsp8.jpg
welcome to tha f***ing party!
this is the activation acting up. everytime you change something on your system (i mean installing another os) you will have to contact corecodec and try to convince them that you do not want to install coreavc on another computer.

sick, sad world...

[Romario]

Sad, sad, sad... Very sad, I must say.

I looking forward for BetaBoy answer. If he thinks that DRM infection will stay, he is wrong.

Guys like viodentia will find the way to aviod that STUPID activation.

[clsid]

CoreCodec should just release the source code and add a paypal donate button. That would mean zero complaints, no licensing costs and lots of income.

[bob0r]

But it would make Bill Gates cry.

[ChronoCross]

Sad, sad, sad... Very sad, I must say.

I looking forward for BetaBoy answer. If he thinks that DRM infection will stay, he is wrong.

Guys like viodentia will find the way to aviod that STUPID activation.

If you think a few whiney little forum posters is going to get rid of their activation (it's not DRM) your sadly mistaken. you did not buy a volume license to install it anywhere you like. You bought a single system license for your $20.

Sure this new system has bugs. Did you honestly think that it would run perfectly? For most it has, it only took me about 17 seconds to create an account, login, download, and install it. They will work them out and the activation will work nicely.

You know what the worst thing about you guys is? The fact that your actually encouraging pirates to pirate it and say that you will use it because it is DRM free. Isn't the whole point of this forum to support fair use and NOT Pirating of software. If you don't want to use their activation then don't update. It's as simple as that. Just because you don't like activation does not give you the right to circumvent their activation.

@b0b0r
God man I know you already have a PC with 2 cores that run ridiculously fast and if my single core machine can run BBC HD clips at full speed with only 70% usage do you really need to bitch about not having a full 4 cores?

@sharktooth
I can't believe your so worried about this activation scheme. One would have thought that you would be able to see past this. As I mentioned before you bought it as a single license. The key is that all you have to do is contact corecodec, tell them why you need a new activation and since most people will have legit reasons BAM you get another activation. It's not like they don't have a system in place for you to get it. You can still so what you like it may just take a few more minutes than you would have liked.

@Haali and Betaboy
This release is well worth the wait as it fixes a majority of the issues we saw with the last release. The TS splitter fixes work wonders.

@everyone who filed a paypal complaint
Enjoy buying another $500 worth of hardware for being impatient fools. Anyone who has had a real job (not the mcdonalds that most of you probably work at) will understand the pure number of emails that a company can get on a daily basis. Them being a small company it can take time. The typical turnaround time for most emails is 3-5 days in most companies and they have a good number of people simply working on support.

Everyone Just needs to STFU and move all your complaints to their private email and work out the problem with their staff. That is the only way it's going to get solved.

[Disabled]

I take it an agreement was never reached to include CoreAVC in XMBC?
I dropped having hopes for that (one of the main reasons I supported Core in the first place) since they mentioned activation the first time long time ago.
CoreCodec should just release the source code and add a paypal donate button. That would mean zero complaints, no licensing costs and lots of income.

I would still like to have an officially licenced copy of it, with all royalties payed (that 50ct or what), like I would like to see someone licencing Xvid and such.
I would gladly donate another 20$ if they would OS CoreAVC, but I think the overall income would be less than they get now. I can understand them going CS, but they should do in in a reasonable way and not piss of their loyal customers.

[BetaBoy]

Thanx everyone for their patience...All issues with the Core Account system has been fixed... Users that have had an issue can now login and redownload the installer. Note: We will still have to do some registrations manually and reset some downloads... but we are now moving to send out email notifications next.

The installers now support Vista and notify the user that online actication is occuring so that they can cancel it if they wish.

Haali found a deadlock issue that was fixed and we are now fixing the reported deinterlacing issues... after that it is GPU time ;-)

[JohnnyFu]

Good news, i´m glad that the situation is under control again.

OT: So after all the trouble it´s time for a little party i guess.
Everyone with download and update issues receives reperation in terms of:

A sexy time with Betaboy !!
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/betaboy.jpg:D :D :D

[BetaBoy]

Moo... bring on the dancing monkeys!

I do want to touch on something that if many of the readers of this thread may remember me saying..... We do plan to Open Source CoreAVC at some point next year. No details on that for now.. but alot has to do with tie-ins for our plans on BetaPlayer and CorePlayer.

[Malow]

and the trial???????... no donut for me? :(

o well, at least tell me wen u fix the interlacing issue... again... :rolleyes:

[Ginsonic]

but we are now moving to send out email notifications next

You bring new hope to me.......

[Disabled]

Moo... bring on the dancing monkeys!

I do want to touch on something that if many of the readers of this thread may remember me saying..... We do plan to Open Source CoreAVC at some point next year. No details on that for now.. but alot has to do with tie-ins for our plans on BetaPlayer and CorePlayer.

That sounds fantastic, but I don't see that fit into the strict licence agreements the IP holders force on you and such.
By the way, I still hate activation, so please help me understand why you do it and what they exactly force on you. And please tell me how it locks to my windows copy, IE do you transfer the serial or a hash of it or what?

[Dregelmyller]

***********
but we are now moving to send out email notifications next.
**********


Does that mean we who have not rechived any code will get one ? :D

[Ginsonic]

Does that mean we who have not rechived any code will get one ?
Let us hope so ;) !

[bob0r]

@ChronoCross

My "fast" Intel D930 can NOT decode a BBC-HD 1080MBAFF clip, using deblocking and deinterlacing.
Only with cyberlink GPU support it can, but we all know cyberlink turns off deblocking, so thats the same as CoreAVC.

ffmpeg: deblocking/deinterlacing, but 1 threads
cyberlink: deinterlacing/multiple threads (gpu support), but no deblocking.
coreavc: deblocking,(limited, 2) threads, but no deinterlacing.

CoreAVC should leave the amaturism to me, and start being professionals themself.
And you can never make me stop complaining, whining or limit my voice(typing) in any way, i am dutch, we can't help ourselfs. Freedom is a bitch :cool:


@BetaBoy
I show you again:
Get deinterlacing to work on this: beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample.ts (http://mirror05.x264.nl/public/force.php?file=./beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample.ts) the best (and most horrible) interlaced sample i ever captured from BBC-HD,
and ill link-up to your activation system. (ill just be sure to put in my firewire pci card in first, just to be sure, hehehe)

[Jay Bee]

Thx for the sample, that's the first true interlaced AVC file I've seen on the net. And I confirm, it doesn't deinterlace.

[easy2Bcheesy]

So... I finally have a version of CoreAVC that won't crash my media PC whenever I press the "Stop" button.

The problem is that my media computer is not on my network, and as it is out of range of my WiFi router, it never will be either.

So I can't upgrade - unless I buy a phenomenally long RJ45 cable. Or completely dismantle my home theatre set-up.

I would email but in the past I've never got any response to any email sent to any CoreAVC email address (six emails in total to different addresses) nor a response on the Core Forums, so what's the point?

I've legitimately bought this product but cannot use it. The irony is of course, that I'd be quite happy using the older version - IF IT WORKED PROPERLY. As it is, it doesn't. There was no mention of online activation when I bought 1.1, and indeed there's not even a mention of it on the Upgrade email. If there was, at least I could have avoided buying it in the first place.

I can only hope that sanity prevails at some point in the future. In the meantime, if someone from CoreAVC would like to contact me and make amends (ie get this product I've paid money for to actually WORK), some small measure of faith may be restored in the company.

[tomos]

@ChronoCross

My "fast" Intel D930 can NOT decode a BBC-HD 1080MBAFF clip, using deblocking and deinterlacing.
Only with cyberlink GPU support it can, but we all know cyberlink turns off deblocking, so thats the same as CoreAVC.

ffmpeg: deblocking/deinterlacing, but 1 threads
cyberlink: deinterlacing/multiple threads (gpu support), but no deblocking.
coreavc: deblocking,(limited, 2) threads, but no deinterlacing.

CoreAVC should leave the amaturism to me, and start being professionals themself.
And you can never make me stop complaining, whining or limit my voice(typing) in any way, i am dutch, we can't help ourselfs. Freedom is a bitch :cool:


@BetaBoy
I show you again:
Get deinterlacing to work on this: beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample.ts (http://mirror05.x264.nl/public/force.php?file=./beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample.ts) the best (and most horrible) interlaced sample i ever captured from BBC-HD,
and ill link-up to your activation system. (ill just be sure to put in my firewire pci card in first, just to be sure, hehehe)

i havent tried the decblocking option in coreavc but i had left the deinterlacing off and saw horrible blurs during this clip (the waving arms bit - horrible!)

i turned deinterlacing on and thats gone now. it definetely worked for me - at least as far as this clip goes anyway.

even tried directshowsource and can see the diff big time in vdub. no way this doesnt deinterlace

[Jay Bee]

Had a closer look:

software mode: no deinterlacing.
software double fps: no deinterlacing.
directshow: deinterlacing but only 25 fps instead of 50.

[bob0r]

Yup, its already confirmed by BetaBoy and the core men, i am just saying, that sample should work before i upgrade to activation.

[BetaBoy]

As stated we are working on the deinterlacing issue.... we also dont want to break compliance with other encoders (I'll work on that).

[oddball]

Thanx everyone for their patience...All issues with the Core Account system has been fixed... Users that have had an issue can now login and redownload the installer. Note: We will still have to do some registrations manually and reset some downloads... but we are now moving to send out email notifications next.

The installers now support Vista and notify the user that online actication is occuring so that they can cancel it if they wish.

Haali found a deadlock issue that was fixed and we are now fixing the reported deinterlacing issues... after that it is GPU time ;-)

OK

"Error 10941."

Expecting an email soon. I will cancel my PayPal dispute just as soon as I recieve the software and have it installed.

[sillKotscha]

Expecting an email soon. I will cancel my PayPal dispute just as soon as I recieve the software and have it installed.

you're clearly a customer every shop owner/ company wishes to have...

you won't never get a platinum customer card from my company if I had such cards to offer :sly:

[oddball]

you're clearly a customer every shop owner/ company wishes to have...

you won't never get a platinum customer card from my company if I had such cards to offer :sly:

Bitchy.

[pankov]

Had a closer look:

software mode: no deinterlacing.
software double fps: no deinterlacing.
directshow: deinterlacing but only 25 fps instead of 50.
I'm 99% sure that on my machine it's beeing deinterlaced ... at least the difference from all deinterlace modes and "no deinterlacing" is enormous. I can provide some screenshots if needed.
I'm using CoreAVC Pro 1.1 with GeForce 6600 video card with Forceware 84.21 drivers (as the newer ones are bugy).

[JohnnyFu]

beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample.ts Software-Deinterlacing works fine for me. Klick Screenshots below.
CoreAVC 1.2.0.0 Pro

Software-Deinterlacing
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample-software-deinterlacing_thumb.png (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample-software-deinterlacing.png)
No-Deinterlacing
http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample-no-deinterlacing_thumb.png (http://home.arcor.de/johnnyfu/screen_shots/beyonce.at.the.bbc.1080mbaff.sample-no-deinterlacing.png)

[bob0r]

Not the same frames :p

But cool if it works, i thought betaboy himself (well he did again) said deinterlacing didn't work, i guess on some other interlaced type video.

[Ginsonic]

betaboy: Still no update email. When do You think, You will be able to send them out ?

[DeepBeepMeep]

As stated we are working on the deinterlacing issue.... we also dont want to break compliance with other encoders (I'll work on that).


If you want to make a few people happy and relieve part the tension surrounding this release, you might consider doing these small fixes / additions:
- fix the black level set at a wrong level for some streams (PAFF?)
- fix the reported problem with the Elecard / .x264 muxed streams
- make CoreAVC compatible with Cyberlink (PowerDVD) demuxer. Although Haali filter is getting better and better, it still have some issues with quite a few streams that are broadcasted which doesn"t seem to be the case for Cyberlink.

The sooner you will release a fixed version, the sooner people are likely to forget about their bad experience :). It would add anyway selling points to your product.

[fenomeno83]

I can't pay coreavc with my postepay(registered to paypal!!)!!.It is stupid why with my postepay I buy on ebay!!!Excuse me,but now I will attend a cracked version on emule!!!

[ChronoCross]

I can't pay coreavc with my postepay(registered to paypal!!)!!.It is stupid why with my postepay I buy on ebay!!!Excuse me,but now I will attend a cracked version on emule!!!

lol good job admitting your going to use pirated software. Now all corecodec has to do is DMCA doom9 for your user information and ip. Then DMCA your email address. Then DMCA your ISP.

Why are you people so stupid? I've seen 5 different people say their going to use a pirated version.

How about instead of being retarded and using postepay. Just use PAYPAL. Since this is the only form of payment. Just because postepay is registered to paypal doesn't mean it is automatically useable.

[Mark SS]

Can someone confirm I'm not going nuts here? :)

Using DVBViewer with CoreAVC to watch BBCHD. With overlay the image is too dark although adjustments with Nvidia control panel will compensate but only if I open the control panel each time (don't have to change it again, just open the panel, odd!). With VMR9 colour/brightness is ok but DirectX de-interlacing doesn't appear to be working.

That about the size of it at the moment?

[_xxl]

Do not use a pirated version,switch to open source software!

[KoD]

I think nvidia doesn't really care about video playback but only game performance. Try switching to another driver version, maybe to a 8x.xx one.

[AVmaniac]

I can't pay coreavc with my postepay(registered to paypal!!)!!.It is stupid why with my postepay I buy on ebay!!!Excuse me,but now I will attend a cracked version on emule!!!

what's your problem .. get a payPal account and buy the software!

:angry:

It worked fine for me and for the rest of the grateful core-customers as well

[bwlonsdale]

I bought the software while it was 1.1 for my Athlon 64-3200 (single core).

It was only after I bought it did I discover the playback issue with media center edition and media player - i.e. it locked up and had to do an end task to get out of it.

So...I wait for an update as Beta Boy said that it would be addressed in the next release.

9 months later a new version comes out - I get the e-mail, download and install it. Log onto Media PC, download and install and get told it's already activated.

Uninstall from main PC where I downloaded it onto and installed. Try installing again on Media PC - same shi* - already activated.

Come to Doom-9 and read the only thing that's taken them 9 months is introduce activation which is broken.

Raise trouble ticket with Core on their swanky new website (I can only wait for the day I need to use that calculator on there). First email response I get asks me for my order number!! Why they can't look it up on their swanky new website bolloc*s is beyond me, but that's the price for staying legal I suppose. So, I send them my order ID and two days later no response.

I try again today to download the installer from the website - ooh, now I get a message telling me it's going to spyware me up and send some details off to their activation server. Then still same message, I'm already activated have a nice day, sod off.

Then notice banner at top of swanky new website saying their database has lost all the trouble tickets and need to re-enter the details of problem. Seriously, final straw with this.

The problem is these people don't give a rat's ass for customer service. Beta Boy, if you're reading this, your company exemplifies stupidity. There'll be a Dilbert made out of your company in the future.

Please do me one last favour before I go off and forget your company exists - rename the installer file would you?

From "coreavc_professional_edition.exe" to "coreavc_amateur_cobblers_we've_got_your_cash_anyway_hahahahaha.exe"

[ChronoCross]

mm another idiot to add to the pile.

[bwlonsdale]

That's right, ChronoCross - I agree 100% - I am a complete idiot for buying into the idea of Core products.

[ChronoCross]

actually an idiot for that entire paragraph of crap you wrote.

For one you bought a single license. not a volume license to install it on as many PC's as you like. It's obvious that the thing worked on your main PC and then failed on your media center PC. Why do you think that is? Already Activated because you ALREADY INSTALLED IT!!!!

That is why your post is idiotic because you think you should be able to install it on 10000000 PC's for $20. Every company on the planet has the same single user license idea. Core is no different.

[Romario]

I will wait when CoreAVC become freeware product, somewhere in second half of 2007.

Until then, ffdshow is only choice for me.

[Manao]

ChronoCross : 9 months later a new version comes out - I get the e-mail, download and install it. Log onto Media PC, download and install and get told it's already activated.

Uninstall from main PC where I downloaded it onto and installed. Try installing again on Media PC - same shi* - already activated.Read the post of the others, before insulting them.

[Sirber]

I uninstalled it and gonna forget all about it.

[ChronoCross]

ChronoCross : Read the post of the others, before insulting them.

Already did. But it's activated already. The Activation isn't mobile. It's supposed to be bound to a single machine. Install, Uninstall Install Uninstall. to think that you can make that transference as often as you like is a tad ridiculous. That would be like saying "This machine is off right now so I can use XP on this other machine because I'm not using it right now but may do so at a later date.

It would be a different situation if he downloaded it to his machine and it didn't work in the first place. But it did work and was activated and bound to the machine. So he should have to follow the procedure for getting a new activation. Else the activation would be pointless.

[bwlonsdale]

You kind of missed the point - I did follow the process and raised a trouble ticket - and now when I try to find out why I've had no more response for two days, there's a message up saying they lost all the trouble tickets. It's ridiculous - this isn't support, it's a farce.

No one was warned there was activation which is why I downloaded and installed it onto my main PC - there's still no suggestion on the new installer that it's tied to one PC. Nada...zip...nothing. Which is exactly what Core are saying on the activation issue. Oh, hang on - they said they were forced to pis* people off by the "IP Rights Holders".

It should have been called "Carry On Core" - with Beta Boy playing Kenneth Williams' part.

[ChronoCross]

To think that the core account system would have no glitches is just sad. There is no way to work out all the bugs till something is released to the public.

I think you missed the point of activation. It actually saves you money. It's the reason they can offer free upgrades. But no one bothered to pay attention to that point.

Granted the first installer lacked mention of the activation but a majority of the people who bought core read doom9....and it was mentioned several times here.

The problems weren't widespread either. Sure it happened to a few people and they worked the bugs out with them but for some people it went smoothly. 17 seconds is how long it took me to create an account, login, download, and install the file. But sadly no one else has posted what a great experience it was. People only post in this thread when they have to whine about something they don't like. This is unfair to a company that has actually produced a quality product. ffdshow sure as hell can't play most of the HD files I have and this product doesn't crash either like some others. It can only get better.

So how about we find some positive things to say. How about the fact that they fixed alot of bugs, and those that didn't have already been reported, samples achieved and work begun on another round of patches to cover every single different type of file and way of doing things.

People generally lack the understanding as to how difficult it is to prepare for every single OS, The differences between them and to make sure things are compatible. Even major companies have a hard time keeping up. Just think how small Core is right now, it takes a rather substantial amount of time to work out these issues, communicate with clients, communicate with devs, etc.

How about we give them a break for once. I think too many of doom9's members are spoiled by free and open source and forget that everyone needs money to live.

[Jay Bee]

actually an idiot for that entire paragraph of crap you wrote.

For one you bought a single license. not a volume license to install it on as many PC's as you like. It's obvious that the thing worked on your main PC and then failed on your media center PC. Why do you think that is? Already Activated because you ALREADY INSTALLED IT!!!!

That is why your post is idiotic because you think you should be able to install it on 10000000 PC's for $20. Every company on the planet has the same single user license idea. Core is no different.

This post is a load of bollocks. Software companies can offer licences in any way they see fit. For a video decoder I think most people would agree that more than one machine per user would be reasonable. Or at least a way to transfer from one machine to another.

How about we give them a break for once. I think too many of doom9's members are spoiled by free and open source and forget that everyone needs money to live.

Most of the people complaining are paying customers so what's your point?

[ChronoCross]

This post is a load of bollocks. Software companies can offer licences in any way they see fit. For a video decoder I think most people would agree that more than one machine per user would be reasonable. Or at least a way to transfer from one machine to another.


hmm already there. Just open a ticket, provide a valid reason, and bam, new license. As for the what you think is reasonable may not be what the patent holder sees as reasonable.


Most of the people complaining are paying customers so what's your point?

Keyword being most. Even if you are a paying customer going onto a forum and bitching about it rather than emailing the company and opening a support ticket is childish and accomplishes nothing other than making the company look bad all because a select few are having problems.

I don't think buying the software gives you unlimited rights to do whatever you want with it.

[fenomeno83]

what's your problem .. get a payPal account and buy the software!

:angry:

It worked fine for me and for the rest of the grateful core-customers as well

I have a paypal account(in whitch my postepay is registered)but I can't pay with it!!!

[3ngel]

This is a farce. On a forum which stands for free media, their own members introduce drm. Can this thread please be closed.

Apart from all the problems, and ANTI-DRM posts i agreed in toto, i too think this is SIMPLY RIDICULOUS.

On doom9.org web home we see such ironics comments about HD-Video DRM, music DRM, anything DRM with a STRONG and CLEAR position ANTI-DRM, so what we got here?

A 1200 posts thread on a product that is TOTALLY DRM?

We are joking here?

CoreAVC is now as identical as an adobe product, or a Microsoft product. So we are going to open threads on those products?

Why CoreAVC don't f**cks off on their own support forum, and discute all their DRM s*its, leaving us users to discuss software that are RESPECTFUL of us users?

I repeat. Why this Support thread on a DRM Product is still not closed?

[ChronoCross]

because product activation is not DRM.

DRM is restricting the usage of a product for which you own the license.

You purchased a single machine license and no matter what you say you shouldn't be able to freely move it to wherever you like.

This is not a ANTI-DRM forum either. You miss the point of the arguement. IT's ANTI-Over Restrictive DRM. The whole point of this forum is to discuss the ways that DRM should be implemented in order to allow playback on the most number of devices while still protecting the companies IP. To completely rid the world of DRM is basically saying it's okay to pirate.

If someone would develop a decent DRM scheme then we wouldn't have all this ANTI-DRM crap.

[bwlonsdale]

To think that the core account system would have no glitches is just sad. There is no way to work out all the bugs till something is released to the public.

Are you having a laugh?? What do you think QA stands for? Why no timed betas that expired or had to be activated prior to the release to the public - at least that would have given them time to iron out any kinks in their website/activation process? They had a system working just fine and dandy with v1.1 - you just don't get it. Why add activation during a POINT release? Yes, they fixed bugs - they have a responsibility and duty to fix bugs. You don't pay for software thinking you're buying the bugs and any hassle that goes with it. To add activation at the same time as you're rolling out new software.....well, they've got some big balls on them I'll give them that.

I think you missed the point of activation. It actually saves you money. It's the reason they can offer free upgrades. But no one bothered to pay attention to that point.

The upgrades aren't free - I paid for them to fix bugs that might come up in the software when I paid for 1.1 and I damn well expect they'll fix them.

Granted the first installer lacked mention of the activation but a majority of the people who bought core read doom9....and it was mentioned several times here.

I don't camp out on Doom9 waiting with baited breath to see what Beta Boy is going post next. After reading a large part of this post the other night (after I'd already installed it and was subsequently damned) - there was NO mention of it tying the license to ONE PC prior to the software release. Prove me wrong and link to the post that states it does that - the post before 1.2 was released to the public, NOT AFTER.

I got an email from Core advising of the upgrade - I log in to their website, sign up for an account and download the software and install it - there was ZERO mention of activation, let alone it being tied to ONE PC. I don't expect to have to come to Doom 9, or their forums, or their website or anywhere else to have to find out it does that. It should have been in the e-mail they sent OR it should be in the installer notice, none of which happened.

The problems weren't widespread either. Sure it happened to a few people and they worked the bugs out with them but for some people it went smoothly. 17 seconds is how long it took me to create an account, login, download, and install the file. But sadly no one else has posted what a great experience it was. People only post in this thread when they have to whine about something they don't like. This is unfair to a company that has actually produced a quality product. ffdshow sure as hell can't play most of the HD files I have and this product doesn't crash either like some others. It can only get better.

Just reading this forum and Beta Boy's own comments should make you realise that the launch was a disaster for them. For their new system and most of all for their reputation. Being a small company does NOT make them immune from criticism - and they deserve every bit of it they're getting right now.

So how about we find some positive things to say. How about the fact that they fixed alot of bugs, and those that didn't have already been reported, samples achieved and work begun on another round of patches to cover every single different type of file and way of doing things.

Something positive?............I'm struggling.

People generally lack the understanding as to how difficult it is to prepare for every single OS, The differences between them and to make sure things are compatible. Even major companies have a hard time keeping up. Just think how small Core is right now, it takes a rather substantial amount of time to work out these issues, communicate with clients, communicate with devs, etc.

Are the activation issues to do with the OS it's being installed on? Who said that? Beta Boy....Core? Are they blaming Microsoft now?

How about we give them a break for once. I think too many of doom9's members are spoiled by free and open source and forget that everyone needs money to live.

How dare you claim Doom 9 members are spoiled - it's a community far larger than Core. Many people on here give their good time and effort to create and support projects which are far more deserving than a $20 codec.

[3ngel]

DRM is restricting the usage of a product for which you own the license.
That's exactly the point.
If i switch computer (broken or update) and have STILL 1 machine Why i have to download again, or send informations over the line?
That's a restricting the usage, and the FREEDOM OF USAGE that is the same.
Sorry but your arguing is a lost war.
And because there is a no decent DRM scheme, at the moment i still think they have to go away from this forum, 'cause at this moment they are going against this forum rule that is against

restricting the usage of a product for which you own the license.

Do you think all the complaints in past posts are not restricting enough the usage of the product?


PS:
Oh, and just a silly and funny consideration of mine. GOD is a DAMNED 20$ CODEC not an Operating System or 2000$ software. Dont' you feel ridiculous to put up all this paranoid DRM thougts for a CODEC? It makes me laugh thinking about it :)

[KoD]

I wonder if anyone is allowed to mention Vista then... our new DRM overlord.

[3ngel]

PPS:
Oh i almost forgot...
This is the best prank in the history of internet.
A software that builds up from scratch on the shoulders of users, and then it turns totally against them :D

[sjchmura]

The only DRM scheme I like is the XBOX Live model - it really is fair, prevents piracy on the 360 and works

1. You own the right to use it - anywhere anytime.
2. You can login, download you TV show and as long as you are logged in it works - same for games
3. If your HD blows up - who cares - download again.
4. 2 copies are allowed

So while not perfect, it lets the user have the license. The idea that my MCE machine and my Laptop need 2 licenses when I will never use them at the same time is crazy. CoreCodec sounds great. But come on - MCE + your laptop is not asking for too much.

ANyway it is irrelevant really. This will piss off those of us who buy software and music and someone will crack it in 1 day to be followed by 100 strings of cracks and re-releases.

[Sirber]

Steam is really cool too.

1. I can always redownload and use what I buy.
2. I can use on multiple computers, while I'm logged with my account.
3. I can burn the games (backup).
4. I can have fun ;)

[3ngel]

I wonder, why CoreAVC acted so stupid?
StarForce3 has been unprotected, how much time do you think it will take to uprotect yours?
In this way you have accomplished those things:
1) You have lost ALL THE RESPECTS this forum users had for you
2) You have accomplished nothing 'cause your so fatigued DRM will be unprotected

You could do a GREAT figure, just putting it at payment.
I pay, i download, dot. End.
You were almost obliged to do this, to the respect for us forum members that helped to develop your product.
No one would have complained. What is right is right.
But at the moment, you're full of laugh from head to feet in any direction.
And what's worse you try to show you don't notice :)

(And the real problem is that this thread is still opened)

[Inventive Software]

Why add activation during a POINT release?
Please ask Microsoft the same question and see if you get the same response as CoreCodec (if they reply), as that's basically what they did with SP2, introducing Genuine Advantage. I don't remember this fuss with Adobe introducing activation (which I totally agree with Chronocross ISN'T DRM!!!! Properly research DRM and you'll be proved right!) in their products, so why the fuss for a codec that costs at most $20 and plays back H.264 faster than any publically available solution? Activation is designed to tie a product to a system. You don't complain when Microsoft or Adobe or another company does it, but CoreCodec and all the barrels start pointing!!!!!

I log in to their website, sign up for an account and download the software and install it
Did you read the EULA all the way through it, or just click "I accept" and rush through like most people? IT PAYS TO READ THESE THINGS ALL THE WAY THROUGH AS THEY CONTAIN ALL THE LICENSE INFORMATION YOU NEED!!!!!

@3ngel: :goodpost: re prank / backlash.

[ChronoCross]

The Open Source Generation is really sad. Most of you think that everything should be free. I'm sure most of you dont realize that the reason xvid cannot sell their codec or even create official builds is because of patents. It's the same reason there are no official x264 builds.

CoreAVC 1.0 cost you $20.
Without Activation 1.2 would cost you another $20.


Because of activation and the restrictions put in place they can provide us the updates for free without having to pay the distribution license again.


That's exactly the point.
If i switch computer (broken or update) and have STILL 1 machine Why i have to download again, or send informations over the line?
That's a restricting the usage, and the FREEDOM OF USAGE that is the same.
Sorry but your arguing is a lost war.
And because there is a no decent DRM scheme, at the moment i still think they have to go away from this forum, 'cause at this moment they are going against this forum rule that is against


Because you paid for it does not mean you can freely move it to any machine any time. It's only supposed to be used ona single machine. What would stop people from distributing the file? Why do you think Core lost so much money in the last release. It's the complete ANTI-DRM movement that allows piracy to continue.

Although there is no perfect DRM yet Core's alternative is the best available option for them to continue providing free updates. To say that they shouldn't put in activation is like telling them to fuck the customer even more and to just stop making updates.

Where in the hell did you find this no DRM rule? I'd be interested to see it as I haven't seen it in the forul rules page. the ANTI-DRM is an OPINION not a RULE.

http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm


How dare you claim Doom 9 members are spoiled - it's a community far larger than Core. Many people on here give their good time and effort to create and support projects which are far more deserving than a $20 codec.


Then stop buying Cores software. If you don't like what they are doing then bitch to one of your more deserving products to become as fast. Additionally a Majority of doom9's USERS are spoiled. There is a big separation between users and DEVELOPERS (you guys know who you are and whom I respect for their work).


Are the activation issues to do with the OS it's being installed on? Who said that? Beta Boy....Core? Are they blaming Microsoft now?


There was a problem with vista. Unfortunately this OS isn't even out in full version. BTW you need to stop talking about your activation issues because you have none. You just lack the ability to understand a single-user license.


Are you having a laugh?? What do you think QA stands for?


hmm did you miss the part where only a select number of users were having issues? It was a bug that creeped up once more than 10 or so users logged on. Do you think they have a QA team of like 500? How are they supposed to test every single person. You'd think that they would quit after they tested it a few times. Oh well you';ve probably never developed software before so you don't know anything about "Random Features".

Perhaps I'm the only one that had a good quick experience with CoreAVC and it's activation, I doubt it however as I'm sure the number of happy people to the number of disappointed people is 99% in favor of happy people.

[Episode]

This is getting way off-topic now, maybe you guys should continue this discussion on another thread and save this one for people who are really trying to get some customer support from BetaBoy.

@ChronoCross, you should also respect rule #4 and try not to insult our forum members. I've seen you doing so several times on this thread alone. Insults and profanity just don't belong on this forum.

[3ngel]

@ChronoCross
Unfortunately you're totally mind burned, if you think that after i PAY for a software, and my computer is damaged, i have to redownload to put it on another machine OF MINE, that SUBSTITUTES the old machine. I'm still using one machine.

I pay for 1 machine not for

Themachineinstalledatthe13.45on21november2006whichhadinstalled5programswith4windowsopenedwith20gigshardrivespaceinphaseofdefragmentingbutalittlelowoncpucausetherewasaprobleminthememorymodulethatwaslittleoverheated

You understand? I dont' think so.
You have read my last post? I dont' think so.
You could understand my last post? I dont' think so.

It's useless to reply to you.

[Inventive Software]

@Bond: recommend a split for CoreCodec rants.

[ChronoCross]

@ChronoCross
Unfortunately you're totally mind burned, if you think that after i PAY for a software, and my computer is damaged, i have to redownload to put it on another machine OF MINE, that SUBSTITUTES the old machine. I'm still using one machine.

I pay for 1 machine not for

Themachineinstalledatthe13.45on21november2006whichhadinstalled5programswith4windowsopenedwith20gigshardrivespaceinphaseofdefragmentingbutalittlelowoncpucausetherewasaprobleminthememorymodulethatwaslittleoverheated

You understand? I dont' think so.
You have read my last post? I dont' think so.
You could understand my last post? I dont' think so.

It's useless to reply to you.

The problem is I did read it and it's not very bright. They never said you cannot move it to another machine. All you have to do is open a support ticket. You can move it while their activation prevents pirating.

It's not like it's permanently locked into the machine for all time.

[3ngel]

All you have to do is open a support ticket
So, if i want to reinstall 20times on 20 different machines a day ('cause all 20 are broken), i have to show all my movements to them anytime?
Dont' be ridiculous. Where is the privacy? Where is my liberty of use?

[ChronoCross]

So, if i want to reinstall 20times on 20 different machines a day ('cause all 20 are broken), i have to show all my movements to them anytime?
Dont' be ridiculous. Where is the privacy? Where is my liberty of use?

now you've just proven how ridiculous an idea your view on freedom is. Trying to prove a point with an unrealistic situation is unbelieveable.

you have no privacy. They already have all the information they will ask of you anyway. All you have to do is tell them why you want to reinstall it. Seems reasonable to any sane person.

[3ngel]

All you have to do is tell them why you want to reinstall it.
AHAHAHA you're totally f***ed up :D
Byeeeeee

[ChronoCross]

AHAHAHA you're totally f***ed up :D
Byeeeeee

sad sentence for a sad paranoid little child.

[Cryptum]

Seems reasonable to any sane person

Very very reasonable yes ...

Da Cryptum

[G_M_C]

I will wait when CoreAVC become freeware product, somewhere in second half of 2007.

Until then, ffdshow is only choice for me.

The wisest comment in the last 20 or so posts. FFDSHOW is a good enough alternative for now, untill CoreAVC turns Open source.

And to ChronoCross: You seem to be personally affected by all peopel who are against this activation sceme. If you take a few breaths you will realize that most people here actually don't seem to mind paying for the software, in fact most of them have payed allready. It's the copy-protection-management-sceme (aka the DRM) that everybody is all irritated about, not the fact that there is a protection sceme (aka its only about THIS way of DRM).

If I buy software, then it is, AND WILL ALLWAYS BE my buisness where i install it and on wich system. On the same idea, it will allways be my buisness when i want to transfer the software to another machine (mind you transfer, so not installing it on a 2nd machine as you are on about, since i UNinstall it from the first machine). Since that is my legal right, i do not have to ask permission to some kind of CoreAVC-police, trying to get info on my machine, information wich Core has no legal right to. Actually i think this software-protection-sceme might not even be legal, because of the informationgathering etc.

Anyway; I think CC will lose a lot of customers this way. But if thats their buisness-model .... Another company will take over without these issues, because they realize that having customer-satisfaction is about 90% of making a sucessful profitable buissness.

[ChronoCross]

Once again....it's not DRM. Why is it that most people don't know what DRM is?

Here's a question for all you anti-activation people: How the f*ck is core supposed to protect their product?

[Sirber]

Digital Rights Management - Technologies to give content providers control over redistribution and access to material.
Like it or not, Activation = DRM

[oddball]

"Once again....it's not DRM. Why is it that most people don't know what DRM is?

Here's a question for all you anti-activation people: How the f*ck is core supposed to protect their product?"

I respect a company that sells an honest product at an honest price. I could have gone and grabbed the cracked version if I wanted to which is bound to appear sooner or later. However I believe that if something is worth buying then I will pay for it.

Anyhow. I have now escalated my PayPal dispute to an actual claim. It has been 7 days since I paid for this 'vaporware'. Rarely have I had to deal with such incompetence from a seller/company.

I have lost all interest in this 'product'. I just want my refund and nothing more to do with it.

Take this as a warning to anyone who thinks companies have a right in 'protecting' their 'intellectual property' with these crackpot activation schemes and DRM viruses. All it leads to in the end is extra hardship on the legitimate customer. Anyone with the smarts probably can get an unrestricted version for free anyhow. It's not like it's made out of gold bullion or anything. It's just a bloody codec for Pete's sake!

I'm sorry but I've had enough of this BS!

[G_M_C]

Once again....it's not DRM. Why is it that most people don't know what DRM is?

Here's a question for all you anti-activation people: How the f*ck is core supposed to protect their product?

That is not my buissness, and ok lets not call it DRM, lets call it CC's Protection System for all i care.

I, and most others, accept the fact that they have to protect their interests somehow, but the way it is implemented now causes too much problems.

It not only causes problems for the users, but for CC too; Their customer support is completely overrun and cannot cope, and they cant sell anything of their webstite while shipping updates because this protection-sceme causes a massive amount of work for them.

So it is clear that this system does not work. I dont invent the copy-protection scemes, thats something they have to do themselves. But to me it is clear, in this form its completely faulty.

[oddball]

And to ChronoCross: You seem to be personally affected by all peopel who are against this activation sceme. If you take a few breaths you will realize that most people here actually don't seem to mind paying for the software, in fact most of them have payed allready. It's the copy-protection-management-sceme (aka the DRM) that everybody is all irritated about, not the fact that there is a protection sceme (aka its only about THIS way of DRM).


If I had actually received the software I had paid for I might well have bitten my tongue about the activation thing. But they cannot even supply me with the actual goods!

[ChronoCross]

Like it or not, Activation = DRM

mmm did you notice the wording of it......guess not.

[Sirber]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2049/coreavclj0.png

New installer

[3ngel]

and ok lets not call it DRM
No, we CALL IT DRM by its name because

as already said from WikiPedia

Digital Rights Management - Technologies to give content providers control over redistribution and access to material.

Activation gives control over redistribution. Activation is DRM.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2049/coreavclj0.png

DITTO

[clsid]

CoreAVC 1.0 cost you $20.
Without Activation 1.2 would cost you another $20.
BULLSHIT. Are we making up facts now? :mad:

The ONLY reason CoreCodec added Internet based activation is to prevent piracy. It has NOTHING to do with MPEG licensing. They don't have to pay extra licensing costs for upgrades.
Licensing only costs $0.20 per unit. No licensing costs have to be paid for the first 100,000 units that are sold in each year!!!!!! SOURCE (http://www.mpegla.com/news/n_03-11-17_avc.html)


An issue with activation is that whenever CoreCodec goes out of business or if their servers blow up, then you can no longer (re-)install their product. The same issue exist with DRM (so in that sense they are similar). There already have been known cases of online stores where people could buy DRM protected music, stores that now no longer exist, rendering all of the legally bought music from those stores totally unusable.

[ChronoCross]

MM quoting wikipedia. good thing this isn't a place of higher learning or you would have gotten an F. That definition is misleading as to what DRM really is. The activation is missing the thing that makes DRM DRM. Do some research and I'm sure you'll figure it out someday.

You still didn't answer my question.......how are they supposed to protect their product?

[3ngel]

If we all would know that the only interest of CoreCodec would be to protect their interest we all FOR SURE would not have been partecipating to its development.
And if it's the case, i'm waiting for nth time that this thread would be closed as soon as. Its a shame for all doom9.