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SeeMoreDigital
23rd March 2006, 19:48
BTW... SMP3 is heading out now guys... check your emails... this fixes the reported AVI timing issues.What more can I say other than many thanks :D


Cheers for now

blubberbirne
23rd March 2006, 20:14
Thanks for the mail Dan,
I ran a little speed test on my 2 desktop and 3 laptop 1core machines...

Here it is if anyone is interested:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1851/coreavc6br.gif

PM = Pentium mobile
CM = Celeron mobile

All exept the old one can play HD Superman trailer, and thats pretty cool. ;)

Pro7 HD Broadcast 25FPS ;)

sasam
23rd March 2006, 20:30
Pro7 HD Broadcast 25FPS ;)
I know it should be 25fps but 27.45*100/103.78=26.45???
Doesn't matter anyways because all other values are from tcpmp...

And tcpmp gave me for PM 1.7Ghz 25.83 / 99.09%... so it thinks that the fps is 26.45 or something?:confused:

SeeMoreDigital
23rd March 2006, 20:49
Using the Apple "Imax Trailer" as the source.

Here are the results for the original .MOV file: -TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results

Average Speed 101.21%
Video Frames 1417
Audio Samples 2802330
Amount of Data 68152 KB

Bench. Time 0:58.396
Bench. Frame Rate 24.26
Bench. Sample Rate 47988
Bench. Data Rate 9.5 Mbit/s

Original Time 0:59.100
Original Frame Rate 23.98
Original Sample Rate 44100
Original Data Rate 9.4 Mbit/s

URL \Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\imax-deep_sea_h1080p.mov
Size 69788593
Platform Windows
OS Version 5.01
Clock speed 2727 Mhz
Video output DirectDraw 1360x768 32bits Lookup
Video zoom 1440x1080 -> 1024x768
Audio output Wave Output 44100Hz 16Bits 2Ch.

And here are the resuts after re-muxing the streams to the .MP4 container using YAMB 1.5: -TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results

Average Speed 102.58%
Video Frames 1417
Audio Samples 2871721
Amount of Data 68118 KB

Bench. Time 0:57.616
Bench. Frame Rate 24.59
Bench. Sample Rate 49842
Bench. Data Rate 9.6 Mbit/s

Original Time 0:59.100
Original Frame Rate 23.98
Original Sample Rate 48000
Original Data Rate 9.4 Mbit/s

URL \Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\Bench Tests\imax-deep_sea_h1080p_YAMB re-mux.mp4
Size 69753688
Platform Windows
OS Version 5.01
Clock speed 2727 Mhz
Video output DirectDraw 1360x768 32bits Lookup
Video zoom 1440x1080 -> 1024x768
Audio output Wave Output 48000Hz 16Bits 2Ch.

Hope that helps.... "1 core" PC's rock..... (slowly) :)


Cheers

tomos
23rd March 2006, 21:25
Picard fixed the audio timing issue in SMP2 which I did not test it on.

BTW... SMP3 is heading out now guys... check your emails... this fixes the reported AVI timing issues.

just got home and tried it - works sweet :D. no seeking probs and its all in sync too.

just waiting for the official launch now :)

PicardGK
23rd March 2006, 21:28
Audio output Wave Output 44100Hz 16Bits 2Ch.
This is what causing trouble. But if you use the smp2 or smp3 test versions with all the plg files overwritten, it should detect the apple mov file as 48Khz correctly.

SeeMoreDigital
23rd March 2006, 21:44
This is what causing trouble. But if you use the smp2 or smp3 test versions with all the plg files overwritten, it should detect the apple mov file as 48Khz correctly.Thanks for the heads-up... I did not notice that....

Here are the results for the original .MOV file: - TCPMP Version 0.72RC1 Benchmark Results

Average Speed 102.01%
Video Frames 1391
Audio Samples 2750093
Amount of Data 68152 KB

Bench. Time 0:56.873
Bench. Frame Rate 24.46
Bench. Sample Rate 48354
Bench. Data Rate 9.8 Mbit/s

Original Time 0:58.016
Original Frame Rate 23.98
Original Sample Rate 48000
Original Data Rate 9.6 Mbit/s

URL \Documents and Settings\SeeMoreDigital\Desktop\Bench Tests\imax-deep_sea_h1080p.mov
Size 69788593
Platform Windows
OS Version 5.01
Clock speed 2727 Mhz
Video output DirectDraw 1360x768 32bits Lookup
Video zoom 1440x1080 -> 1024x768
Audio output Wave Output 48000Hz 16Bits 2Ch.

Cheers

DeathTheSheep
23rd March 2006, 22:04
Is the PocketPC version of CoreAVC planned to be released after this desktop version? Or will it be launched when everything is ready together (Desktop, PPC, etc)? Thanks!

BetaBoy
24th March 2006, 00:46
CoreAVC for mobile devices IE; CorePlayer/BetaPlayer will only be available when www.CorePlayer.com is launched on May 15th.

popper
24th March 2006, 00:52
CoreAVC for mobile devices IE; CorePlayer/BetaPlayer will only be available when www.CorePlayer.com is launched on May 15th.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=804032#post804032

what about the real ppc cpu and linux please

BetaBoy
24th March 2006, 02:13
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=804032#post804032

what about the real ppc cpu and linux please

We are already working on the framework on our multiple Linux versions.... GTK, Freescale, QT, QTopia, Juce.

However... for an older PPC its tbd as devel progresses.

tomos
26th March 2006, 10:46
any further betas to test Dan, or are you all set with SMP/interlaced support etc?

fast running out of numbers to put in for the launch date 'march xx' :)

SeeMoreDigital
26th March 2006, 11:04
Hi BetaBoy,

When playing MPEG-4 AVC video streams, containing anamorphic signalling, muxed within the MP4 container, both Media Player Classic and WMP10 is detecting the signalling perfectly now.... many thanks!

However, when the same video stream is muxed into the AVI container, the signalling does not appear to work....

Can other testers confirm (if they have not done already)?


Cheers

tomos
26th March 2006, 11:48
hmmm, i have a clip i made from a dvd thats 4:3 and refuses to change the AR to 16:9 in MpC. tried the same problem clips on 2 pcs and both are the same

i didnt choose any AR so presume its on 4:3 as default

will have a look around on exactly 'how' to do this and report back later on :)

thuan
26th March 2006, 11:58
IIRC, AVI container doesn't support anamorphic signalling in container (mp4 and mkv does), you have to set the anamorphic value in the bitstream which is not recommended. AVI die die die...

tomos
26th March 2006, 12:01
i dont mind moving on from avi, cant at the mo due to most software being set for vfw - at least the ones i use.

might give mkv a go and see how it handles

SeeMoreDigital
26th March 2006, 12:59
IIRC, AVI container doesn't support anamorphic signalling in container (mp4 and mkv does), you have to set the anamorphic value in the bitstream which is not recommended.The anamorphic signalling "is" embedded within the raw h.264 video stream.... Which "is" recommended.

BetaBoy
26th March 2006, 14:37
Hi BetaBoy,

When playing MPEG-4 AVC video streams, containing anamorphic signalling, muxed within the MP4 container, both Media Player Classic and WMP10 is detecting the signalling perfectly now.... many thanks!

However, when the same video stream is muxed into the AVI container, the signalling does not appear to work....

Can other testers confirm (if they have not done already)?


Cheers

Thx SMD... we'll look into it.

BetaBoy
26th March 2006, 14:40
any further betas to test Dan, or are you all set with SMP/interlaced support etc?

fast running out of numbers to put in for the launch date 'march xx' :)

There will be one more test after the weekend... not sure if we will expand this to all testers but this is the BIG one. in that its for our splitter, error handling, and DS deinterlace support.

We are on track to release it this coming Friday March 31st.

tomos
26th March 2006, 15:42
great. so all looks good :)

any news on the hardware decoding?

BetaBoy
26th March 2006, 18:01
tomos... I cannot comment on GPU support at this time.

Valeron
27th March 2006, 07:13
@betaboy:
I would like to join the SMP test?
Am I late?
Or I still have a chance?:thanks:

Selur
27th March 2006, 12:14
@Valeron: since they plan to release on friday, you ar probably late ;)

billou2000
27th March 2006, 12:28
Sorry a bit late on this one:
The proc is a Dual Xeon 3.2 Ghz
Everything rendered with the NULL renderer as my video card slows down decoding:)

-clip1 D1 25fps @ 2mbps (HighProfile)
---------------------------
coreAVC beta1 (single threaded)
bench: 563.37% ( 11.2 Mbps)
playback: 11-19 % CPU (avg 13%) / 25 fps

coreAVC beta1 (multi threaded)
bench: 1076.42% (21.5 Mbps)
playback: 9-19% CPU (avg 13%) / 25 fps

coreAVC beta3 (multi threaded)
bench 1081.21% (21.6 Mbps)
playback: 9-15% CPU (avg 12%) / 25fps

Nero
playback: 16-22 % CPU (avg 19%) / 25 fps


-Clip2 720p 50fps @ 4mbps (HP)
-----------------------------
coreAVC beta1 (single threaded)
bench 132.27 % (5.2 Mbps)
playback:50% avg, 50 fps

coreAVC beta1 (multithreaded)
bench: 249.88% (10 Mbps)
playback: 39% avg, 50 fps

coreAVC beta3 (multithreaded)
bench: 250.00% (10 MBps)
playback: 38% avg, 50 fps

Nero
playback: 50%, 20 fps
-------------
Note that as it is a 2 CPU machine, so 50% means one CPU is fully used when an app isn't multithreaded

BetaBoy
28th March 2006, 04:54
Thanx to everyone for the kind words, encouragement, suggestions and hard testing everyone has done. Without you we are nothing...

So with that... I am Officially announcing that the CoreAVC Standard and Professional Edition Decoders will be available this Friday March 31st, 2006 @ www.coreavc.com

We hope all our hard work is worthy of everyones expectations...... now lets move on and finish our CoreAVC encoder ;-)

crypto
28th March 2006, 07:11
@BetaBoy
That's great news and congrats for keeping the tight schedule. CoreAVC and the team behind are the best.

Gnerma
28th March 2006, 07:26
Great news BetaBoy. Are you going to reveal the pricing and supported features of each version beforehand or will we learn that on the 31st?

ChronoReverse
28th March 2006, 08:22
Just as well I don't know what will happen with hardware decoding since my 6800 exploded. This decoder looks good I'll be checking out the site on the 31st.

niknik
28th March 2006, 10:48
Don't we deserve a "sneak preview" on the prices and features?

(but yeah, I guess anything posted here would quickly get out into the "rest" of the internet - so I understand if you want to keep that till friday. :)

foxyshadis
28th March 2006, 11:44
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=788027#post788027
This isn't enough of a peek?

BetaBoy
28th March 2006, 13:05
The only difference is that:
- Professional only has PAFF interlaced and CPU support was bumped up to 4 'cores' from 2.
- GPU support is tba later in Pro and Enterprise Editions

On our todo list atm:
- Move MBAFF interlaced to the pro editon
- Add FGT to all editions
- Add true interlaced output with soft telecine in Enterprise Edition (probally Pro too)
- Add 3:2 pull down support in Enterprise Edition

I will add a TODO link @CoreAVC.com so everyone knows what on the current devel list.

BetaBoy
28th March 2006, 14:48
Don't we deserve a "sneak preview" on the prices and features?

(but yeah, I guess anything posted here would quickly get out into the "rest" of the internet - so I understand if you want to keep that till friday. :)

I quoted what discounted pricing was earlier in this thread...
Standard: $7.45
Professional: $14.95
Enterprise: tbd

CEC
28th March 2006, 17:43
Good prices!!!!!:D

niknik
28th March 2006, 17:51
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=788027#post788027
This isn't enough of a peek?

Prices! We needed to know the prices! :)

.. and here they are! A very nice surprise indeed! :)
Professional, here we go.

Selur
28th March 2006, 17:51
Will it be possible to kind of 'upgrade' from e.g. Professional to Enterprise later?
(atm professional seems to be okay for me, but who know what the future brings)

Cu Selur

BetaBoy
28th March 2006, 20:14
Selur, yes. By the time we roll our our Enterprise edition in a few weeks. We will have our 'Core Account' system up and going. In the meantime for those that have purchased standard and want Pro we will offer an upgrade as well.

breez
28th March 2006, 21:28
Great news about the prices. I'll be sure to get a copy of the standard edition (for now, let's see if they start H.264 broadcasts here somewhere in five years ;) for which interlaced support could be needed).

niknik
28th March 2006, 21:46
I'd say, BAN all interlace stuff... :)
along with PAN & SCAN...
and then , let starts getting som real 50/60Hz progressive video...
Those 24fps pans give me the creeps... yck.

Dan, any chance we can "pre-order" the codec? Friday is still so far away... :)

TEB
28th March 2006, 23:18
Good to hear that the release is imminent, but a question:
Have any idea when it will support mpeg2 and mpeg4ASP?

videomixer9
28th March 2006, 23:51
Cracks for CoreAVC - coming this Friday 31st March :D :D :D :D :D :D

oh well considering what some ppl want for really crappy software these prices are decent considering how it can save you upgrading to super expensive CPUs ...

Isochroma
28th March 2006, 23:57
Oh, I was sure the cost would be about $30 for basic, $50 for Pro, and $75-100 for Enterprise. Absolutely sure.

3ngel
29th March 2006, 00:07
Quote. Fantastic price for the Standard Edition!

ChronoCross
29th March 2006, 00:12
this is for a decoder? I'm a little dissapointed....considering divx sells their entire codec suite for 19.99 lol. perhaps I'l buy it in a few months when the price drops(hopefully)

BetaBoy
29th March 2006, 01:11
ChronoCross dont be disappointed... wait till you hear about our plans for our decoder/encoder bundle and pricing.

Sirber
29th March 2006, 01:43
Will the decoder with in mPlayer by then? I'm no fan of DShow player anymore :)

tomos
29th March 2006, 01:51
ChronoCross dont be disappointed... wait till you hear about our plans for our decoder/encoder bundle and pricing.

any hints about the encoder? comparisons with other encoders? especially the x264 one :)

videomixer9
29th March 2006, 01:52
... as long as mplayer stops playback if you move around the videowindow and lacks styled softsub support it may please rot in hell :p

As for the encoder I still wonder why anybody buys such things if not integrated as hardware chip, same for decoders though ... lol? Though even stuff like dvd players should be free, after all they wanna sell me the videos so I have to be able to view them ... :o

Sirber
29th March 2006, 02:26
... as long as mplayer stops playback if you move around the videowindow and lacks styled softsub support it may please rot in hell :pNo problem with that :)
The solution is in your config file :p

BetaBoy
29th March 2006, 04:06
Not sure if I have commented on this.... but we will be bundling the Windows/Linux versions in a future release. Mplayer? Well I dont wanna commnet atm, but more to let you know we are working on it.

tomos.... hehe... i'm not gonna fall for that ;-) I guess I can say it like XviD did, in that... it will be ready when its ready. Just know we are working on it and if you like the decoder then you already know whats coming.

tomos
29th March 2006, 11:02
tomos.... hehe... i'm not gonna fall for that ;-) I guess I can say it like XviD did, in that... it will be ready when its ready. Just know we are working on it and if you like the decoder then you already know whats coming.

if the encoder gives anywhere near the encoding speed increase over other progs that the decoder gives then i'll be a happy bunny :D

dimzon
29th March 2006, 11:18
@BetaBoy
Just a little suggestion about your AVC Encoder

Please keep it CLI application with AVS support and (maybe) x264-compatible command-line arguments

In this case we will add support for it into MeGUI and other tools

tomos
29th March 2006, 11:29
hmm, i always imagined it would be a vfw encoder to use in vdub etc.

as you can tell, i'm one of those point and click people :p

Pomyk
29th March 2006, 11:34
There's a small problem with playback of 120fps avi files with coreavc - it plays too fast. It works normally with libavcodec. I know avi should die, but some people still make them :(

MatMaul
29th March 2006, 12:27
Not sure if I have commented on this.... but we will be bundling the Windows/Linux versions in a future release. Mplayer? Well I dont wanna commnet atm, but more to let you know we are working on it.

and why not in VLC ?

videomixer9
29th March 2006, 12:47
No problem with that :)
The solution is in your config file :p

so thousand of ppl still didn't find the FullySupportSSA/ASS=yes switch and the DoNotFreezeMyFuckingVideoWindowOnPlaybackIfIMoveTheWindowOnwin32=yes switch?

VLC has a GPL only policy, you'll make VLC creators cry using closed source.

And ppl that use h264 encoders via vfw interface and try to put that stuff in avi pls die.
120 fps content also plays sometimes oddly out of sync with WMV encodes here, only with some players though, odd thing. So whatever, try a different splitter and player too maybe.

3ngel
29th March 2006, 13:22
@BetaBoy
A pheraps silly question : the retail version of AVC Decoder, will come as simple .ax file? Or it will be one those sh***y installer that mess up with my registry and i need to reinstall when i change dir or change OS?

dimzon
29th March 2006, 13:26
And ppl that use h264 encoders via vfw interface and try to put that stuff in avi pls die.
:goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost: :goodpost:

videomixer9
29th March 2006, 17:24
@BetaBoy
A pheraps silly question : the retail version of AVC Decoder, will come as simple .ax file? Or it will be one those sh***y installer that mess up with my registry and i need to reinstall when i change dir or change OS?

what's so bad about an installer? not anyones problem that you cannot use unattended installer modes or just reregister the ax file that you get after installing, as all filters are the same and have to be registerable via just .ax files.

I doubt it won't come with an installer as many ppl will want one. Too many noobs that don't know what to do with just an .ax file.

I hate people like you just plain for their wannabe leetness. Your messing with my registry bitching seems to totally expose how much of an newbie you are too.

DeathTheSheep
29th March 2006, 18:37
"And ppl that use h264 encoders via vfw interface and try to put that stuff in avi pls die."

Wishing death on people is hardly civilized behavior. This isn't a flame war between AVI and CLI. They'll release it however they want.

Thank you.

Romario
29th March 2006, 18:41
And ppl that use h264 encoders via vfw interface and try to put that stuff in avi pls die.

I totaly agree with you DeathTheSheep. This is very strange behaviour.

Mods, please give one big warning to member videomixer9.

videomixer9
29th March 2006, 18:47
omg pls die DeathTheSheep ... :O (what's with the whining?)

I seriously hope everyone drops VFW support for AVC encoding so we don't get more AVC in AVI, not that hard to use a good container. CLI is nice and versatile and considering there will be a Linux version of the encoder too prolly I hope for no efforts to create VFW interfaces, more important to implement a versatile interface for many more apps on multiple platforms.

It's just sad too see how old fashioned ppl just cannot get over the VFW crap that is as old or even older than Windows 3.0.

3ngel
29th March 2006, 19:06
Videomixer9, you're totally out of mind...
Watch less a monitor, and more some other real thing... :D

shon3i
29th March 2006, 19:46
Wait ppl, BetaBoy will make decision. Maybe him want to make app like Recode.

ChronoCross
29th March 2006, 20:02
you guys keep this up and you'll all get stiked. As doom9's tollerance level is pretty much 0 when argueing about cli versus vfw.

As for their encoder I doubt they've even started it. But if they take the path of other professional companies working on encoders you won't see a vfw version. everything will be done either through a separate gui or a cli. (ateme, nero, elecard, etc.)

Kostarum Rex Persia
29th March 2006, 23:00
Wait ppl, BetaBoy will make decision. Maybe he want to make app like Recode.

I hope so, application like Nero Recode 2 would be very nice to see.:)

Regarding videomixer9 strange post, I won't say anything at all.:sly:

Sirber
30th March 2006, 00:38
Why making a GUI when people can make their own? :D

GmorG McRoth
30th March 2006, 02:37
Why making a GUI when people can make their own? :D
That depends on how good that GUI whuld be. Beyond that, GUI made by original developer will have all features implemented (or it shuld have). Not to mention that searching for usable home made GUI is sometimes problematic, and since CoreAVC encoder will be commercial product eny customer can expect it to be complete with GUI. ofcourse since there is no program yet its all speculation and we will see what core designers have to offer (hmm by the way do the makers of tomb rider and heimdall2 do not feel offended by using their name? Lets hope there will be no lawsuit).

leowai
30th March 2006, 04:18
I hope so, application like Nero Recode 2 would be very nice to see.:)
As a MeGUI user, I prefer what dimzon suggested here:
@BetaBoy
Just a little suggestion about your AVC Encoder

Please keep it CLI application with AVS support and (maybe) x264-compatible command-line arguments

In this case we will add support for it into MeGUI and other tools

ChronoCross
30th March 2006, 04:51
their trying to sell it. not to make it compatible with open source apps.

breez
30th March 2006, 10:32
Btw, what kind of payment options will be available? Paypal? Credit card?

berrinam
30th March 2006, 10:32
What's wrong with both. I personally think that the adoption over here in Doom9 would not only depend on quality/speed, but also on ease of use. Anyway, a CLI interface is relatively simple, so I think that if the users want it (which some of us, like dimzon, leowai and me certainly do), CoreAVC should supply it.

pankov
30th March 2006, 10:42
About the payment methods.
Please, do support direct credit card payments, because there are many countries that PayPal doesn't work with. Bulgaria for example is one of them :(

niknik
30th March 2006, 10:58
Just keep the money at hand... tomorrow we will know! :)

videomixer9
30th March 2006, 11:40
Better include something that is not credit cards and paypal too, in germany e.g. you lose almost all buyers with only offering credit card and paypal payment, acceptance rate of both payments methods are really low. Many companies already seemed to wonder about that in germany, but e.g. I have not a single friend and person I know here who has a credit card. "Einzugsermächtigungen" for your bank account are way more usual or payment on bill. A thing that works for most countries though seems to be payment by phone, though it has stupid extra fees.

Acceptance of things like credit card and paypal seems higher in the US and some other countries cause they totally lack other sane payment methods ...

Eretria-chan
30th March 2006, 11:54
Lack other sane payment methods? Dude, they don't have to have those other payment methods because very many use credit cards which is easy to use. Very easy. Why would the other countries need other payment methods then, if almost all of the population had credit cards?

I see the sense in making alternate payment methods for countries where things like credit cards almost does not exist, but don't blame these payments, since there needs be no other payment methods in those countries.

videomixer9
30th March 2006, 12:24
So what, of course you may fail selling stuff here, not my problem. Just stated that you may fail selling in many countries if you only go for credit card and paypal. Credit cards are just a late invention and all that I say is that adoption to it went fast in some countries due to lack of other sane payment methods, also due to less acceptance for other reasons. What are you pissed about? Annoying folk, pissed about someone not praising US or so, then declare war on my country or whatever.

In the US even paying cash seems to be not a sane method as people always suspect you of using fake money and give you funny glances if you pay with 20 dollar bills etc.

3ngel
30th March 2006, 12:50
Credit cards, and online payments are now essential (and a normal situation for software).
But i think is a good thing to extend even to non-online payment (international bank money order, or postal order).

CiTay
30th March 2006, 12:55
Better include something that is not credit cards and paypal too, in germany e.g. you lose almost all buyers with only offering credit card and paypal payment, acceptance rate of both payments methods are really low.

Please speak for yourself :)

bond
30th March 2006, 13:05
- Add FGT to all editionsyummie film grain (included in the hddvd specs btw) :)

Eretria-chan
30th March 2006, 14:42
So what, of course you may fail selling stuff here, not my problem. Just stated that you may fail selling in many countries if you only go for credit card and paypal. Credit cards are just a late invention and all that I say is that adoption to it went fast in some countries due to lack of other sane payment methods, also due to less acceptance for other reasons. What are you pissed about? Annoying folk, pissed about someone not praising US or so, then declare war on my country or whatever.

In the US even paying cash seems to be not a sane method as people always suspect you of using fake money and give you funny glances if you pay with 20 dollar bills etc.
For the record, I'm not dissing other payment methods than credit cards - but credit cards are easy to use - so why should countries that has adopted it use other payments methods? Countries that does not have credit cards should, of course, use other payments methods.

Also, I do not live in US.

bond
30th March 2006, 14:49
what the hell? this thread is about coreavc and not some payment methods

betaboy will come up with the payment methods he agrees on and the user will have to use those

if you want to do financial discussions, do it in another board

videomixer9
30th March 2006, 14:57
Please speak for yourself, i'm german and i use Paypal for a long time already...

So you are all the germans, you use it so everyone uses it? Acceptance of PayPal in Germany is very low, just check out stuff like ebay (it's an ebay service after all). Very few using paypal, exchange rates are bad and buisness account are expensive and have high fees for no real service. Also PayPal is a Ltd. and based outside the country under funny laws and if you have problems with them it is very tricky to get a lawyer handling that case and their rules are twisty too. Basically PayPal also makes lots of cash with investing the money without giving back anything.

So you basically speak about yourself while I talk about the masses, learn that not everyone is like you.

/me wants to see the funny colorful CoreAVC installer already, lol

niknik
30th March 2006, 14:58
I too believe this whole thread could use a "prune"...
So many posts not really related to the subject.
Ppl shouldn't be "obliged" to read all that stuff - including some flamings and unrelated "philosofical" digressions...

As Bond said: want to rant about something else, do it in another thread (or better yet, another forum!)

And yes, this post too should be pruned.

CiTay
30th March 2006, 15:11
So you basically speak about yourself while I talk about the masses, learn that not everyone is like you.

Jeez, take it easy. But as Bond said, i'd rather stop it here.

bond
30th March 2006, 15:23
strike for rule 16 for videomixer9

BetaBoy
30th March 2006, 22:12
Let me explain it so it ends for bond. Payments will temporarily be thorugh PayPal... no you do not need a PayPal account... When our Core Account system is up, all people and what they purchased will be brought over to the new system and at that time you can pay through our more universal payment system we have setup. Unlike PayPal this has no restrictions (that I am aware of).

I'll check on adding a 'world pay' alternative for those others that cannot pay with PayPal.

Our installer is simplistic... and we have worked with Haali on with adding his splitter along with CoreAVC. What will not be done at launch like we had wanted is full support for TS streams. This will come in a future update Haali noted.

Also... Our launch will not be till late tomorrow. For many of you it will be Saturday morning. This friday 'soft' launch over the weekend will allow us to adjust any devel and or make any site adjustments over the weekend for the expected monday rush.

OK... TMI ;-)

SeeMoreDigital
30th March 2006, 23:13
No dis-respect to Haali but will installing his splitter be optional during the installation set-up proceedure?

Shame about the .TS support.... but it's better to wait, test some more and get it right...


Cheers

GmorG McRoth
30th March 2006, 23:44
and we have worked with Haali on with adding his splitter along with CoreAVC.
This won't be a problem when it will come to update Haali splitter (with installers from Haali website) when new version will be out?

BetaBoy
30th March 2006, 23:48
No dis-respect to Haali but will installing his splitter be optional during the installation set-up proceedure?

Shame about the .TS support.... but it's better to wait, test some more and get it right...


Cheers
Yes its optional... we knew people would want it that way.

BlackSharkfr
31st March 2006, 00:03
what's wrong with haali splitter ? I haven't had any problems with it.

fight2win
31st March 2006, 19:16
so, according to coreavc homepage, it is gonna launch on 31st march, 2006, is this really true?:sly:

niknik
31st March 2006, 19:20
No... it's just a pre-April's Fool joke. :P

Of course it's true! :)

BetaBoy
31st March 2006, 19:38
I did say 'late' on the 31st... a few more hours. We are testing delivery atm.

davidlt
31st March 2006, 20:08
Okay, we are waiting... :) Its` a big day...

fight2win
31st March 2006, 20:40
I did say 'late' on the 31st... a few more hours. We are testing delivery atm.

:)

:D

videomixer9
31st March 2006, 23:18
lol just visited coreavc.com and it was blocked by ipfilter ... iprange named ... microtorrent.com http://www.bluetack.co.uk/fa/ut.txt ... lol?

Dreassica
31st March 2006, 23:36
Somehow I still think they're pulling an april fools on us now :P

IgorC
1st April 2006, 00:04
Jokes are coming tommorow ;)

videomixer9
1st April 2006, 00:12
well here it is 1st april already

Doom9
1st April 2006, 00:25
It's almost 1:30am here, but I did get a file called CoreAVC Professional-1.0.0.0-Setup.rar to my inbox two days ago so it's no April's fool. But the MPAA refraining from criminalizing their own customers is..

HookedOnTV
1st April 2006, 01:52
Just for a reference... what time zone are we using for the definition of March 31st?

Sirber
1st April 2006, 01:59
all of them are realllllly great :D

ChronoCross
1st April 2006, 02:35
they still have a long way to go if their using hawaii standard time.

bob0r
1st April 2006, 03:16
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/reference_maps/pdf/time_zones.pdf

I heard all Core activities take place on the Line Islands.......

BetaBoy
1st April 2006, 03:16
All... we are working on 3 seperate issues atm... one installer, one code based and one related to the site. It is likely a nogo for today.... and if that is the case I want one more day to QA this.

I'll post a follow-up in an hour or so.

Sirber
1st April 2006, 03:19
I'll be sleeping :'(

travisbell
1st April 2006, 04:21
Bummer guys! Can't wait for April 2 ;)

Sirber
1st April 2006, 04:23
April 1, here I come. going to sleep ;)

fields_g
1st April 2006, 04:24
Been checking the net all day for this release. I like the new "April Fools" message on the site.

I think you are intentionally building up the suspense!

BetaBoy
1st April 2006, 04:31
We are gonna give ourselves one more day to QA this and release it on Sunday. Sorry for the delay...

neo squidward
1st April 2006, 04:48
Wow! Real taskmasters making the poor devs and testers work on the weekends. ;)

BetaBoy
1st April 2006, 05:44
Most of us here work 7 days a week now... were playing catchup... CoreASP is next ;-)

ChronoCross
1st April 2006, 05:58
lol begining to look alot like microsoft heheh....good luck lol....only a 60% rewrite by sunday =P

Selur
1st April 2006, 07:41
if it's like microsoft a 60% rewrite would also be needed after the release ;)

3ngel
1st April 2006, 12:24
CoreASP is next
:eek:
I hope the price is the same as CoreAvc standard :D

lexor
1st April 2006, 12:25
forget MS, this is beginnig to sound like the whole Half Life 2 thing, people where yelling "but the engine was done over a year ago", with the amout of complaining you'd think Gabe was holding back a cure for cancer. lol. Take your time guys, quality first.

P.S. MS doing 60% rewrite is FUD, I don't think even the behemoth that is MS (especially since it's a behemoth) can do a 60% rewrite in 2 months launch delay.

SeeMoreDigital
1st April 2006, 13:10
CoreASP is next ;-)Cool.... can't wait :D

tomos
1st April 2006, 15:12
ASP? forgive my noobness but isn't that what other mpeg-4 codecs like xvid and divx are?

Sirber
1st April 2006, 15:14
ASP? forgive my noobness but isn't that what other mpeg-4 codecs like xvid and divx are?yes, MPEG4 ASP

tomos
1st April 2006, 15:14
yay i was right :D heh

BetaBoy
1st April 2006, 15:44
Not to get to OT... but our DS port for CoreASP should be pretty straight forward... although Toff indicated a few things that has to be done... the only things missing that picard indicated was Post Processing (and something else that is not coming to atm).

Anyway... CoreASP itself will likley not have its own site but be part of our 'Core Media!' codec bundle we will be selling along with CoreAAC+ v2.0, CoreMP3, etc.

I'll talk more about that later on.

jblade
1st April 2006, 16:31
Seems like CoreAVC is becoming another Duke Nukem.... jk :)

I don't mind waiting.

tomos
1st April 2006, 16:31
have you done any testing on the ASP codec yet? i mean to give you some idea to the speed of it compared to xvid/divx?

i know someone who encodes a lot and a codec comparable to those but faster to encode would be huge :)

lexor
1st April 2006, 16:36
have you done any testing on the ASP codec yet? i mean to give you some idea to the speed of it compared to xvid/divx?

i know someone who encodes a lot and a codec comparable to those but faster to encode would be huge :)
this is decoder, not encoder for ASP betaboy is talking about.

and I won't really care if ASP decodes at the same rate as ffdshow or xvid own decoder (same for mp3, and aac) since they are lite anyway. I'll get them as package deal so I have an all in one solution. AVC speedup and TCPMP (the new one they all rave about) are good enough selling poits for the whole package imho.

tomos
1st April 2006, 16:38
ahhh, ok. guess my mate's stuck then :)

SeeMoreDigital
1st April 2006, 17:16
this is decoder, not encoder for ASP betaboy is talking about.

and I won't really care if ASP decodes at the same rate as ffdshow or xvid own decoder (same for mp3, and aac) since they are lite anyway.....When you take into consideration the speed performance gains CoreAVC has over other AVC decoders, I'm kinda hoping they'll be able to do the same for MPEG-4 A/SP decoding.... It all helps when playing hi-def sources :)

CruNcher
1st April 2006, 17:22
tests between ffmpeg.plg and CoreASP with tcpmp show that its much more optimized if the DS filter will be faster then the ffdshow (libavcodec) decoder is another question

videomixer9
1st April 2006, 17:28
even divx decoder uses only 6-8% on many ASP videos nowadays on my pc ... newest divx decoder even beats ffdshow for most content o_O so CoreASP must have a real good argument to be used, especially as payware ...

SeeMoreDigital
1st April 2006, 17:40
even divx decoder uses only 6-8% on many ASP videos nowadays on my pc ....Surely not when playing hi-def 1280x720 at 23.976, 25, 50 or 59.94fps and/or 1920x1080 at 25 or 29.970fps.

When playing 1280x720 at 23.976fps I'm at around 80% with XviD.ax and 70% with FFdshow :eek:

videomixer9
1st April 2006, 17:44
best i found was a 1024x576 video in ASP on my HD and that plays at around 15-25% depending on motion speed with DivX 6.1.1 decoder incl. reclock and vsfilter interfering in VMR7.

lexor
1st April 2006, 17:49
Surely not when playing hi-def 1280x720 at 23.976, 25, 50 or 59.94fps and/or 1920x1080 at 25 or 29.970fps.

When playing 1280x720 at 23.976fps I'm at around 80% with XviD.ax and 70% with FFdshow :eek:
umm... yeah, that's a lot. that's my AVC usage, you sure something isn't going wrong there?

SeeMoreDigital
1st April 2006, 18:40
umm... yeah, that's a lot. that's my AVC usage, you sure something isn't going wrong there?In that case, can some of you try the following Thank You For Smoking (http://www.divx.com/movies/browse.php?categoryID=3) 1280x720 @ 23.976fps encode and report back?

I'm peaking at around 65% with FFdshow!


> BetaBoy,

Might be time to start a CoreASP thread and get some links to some high-def test files established ;)


Be seeing you!

lexor
1st April 2006, 19:36
ok SMD, tried it, and I don't know, it might be my 2.2GHz athlon 64, but I get 22% cpu usage pretty much stable, when I seek far ahead, it jumps to 40% for like a second, but then back down. ffdshow+mpc here.

same resolution AVC trailer would fluctuate between 50-70% usage depending on the scene.

GmorG McRoth
1st April 2006, 19:38
This trailer crunches my CPU (3.0 GHZ Intel Prescott) at about ~50% (maxes out one Threed) when mplayer deblocking (with accurate deblocking on, ~35% with AD off) and ~17% without deblocking. Played with ffdshow-20060226 and MPC

For comparision its about 12% for XVID (without deblocking and again 50% with booth deblocking option checked, but without deringing).

DIVX does about 17% without deblocking (and film grain off) 45% with deblocking ON (and deringing, Film Grain off).

3viX does about 19% without deblocking, 25% with PP slider half way (my best gues its booth color spaces deblocking) and about 30% when PP slider is all the way up (it's multithreeded)

3ngel
1st April 2006, 19:51
I would be interested in a "CoreMpeg2" too, in order to decode Mpeg2HDTV. Actually the fastest ds decoder is Mpeg2Dec Filter.
So it would be a great thing to have an even more faster mpeg2 ds filter, with some options like spacecolor forcing, or deinterlace.

SeeMoreDigital
1st April 2006, 20:01
ok SMD, tried it, and I don't know, it might be my 2.2GHz athlon 64, but I get 22% cpu usage pretty much stable, when I seek far ahead, it jumps to 40% for like a second, but then back down. ffdshow+mpc here. Here's what I get with XviD DSdec in MPC: -

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/2559/xviddsdec6lq.png


Cheers

lexor
1st April 2006, 20:21
as someone pointed out above, post processing takes alot of cpu, do you use any? I personally don't have anything that can benefit from it (and that clip certainly wouldn't).

SeeMoreDigital
1st April 2006, 20:23
as someone pointed out above, post processing takes alot of cpu, do you use any? I personally don't have anything that can benefit from it (and that clip certainly wouldn't).No.... I never ever use any form of post-processing :scared:

EDIT: Here's what I get when I play the same file using XviD DSdec in GraphEdit: -

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/4046/xviddsdecgraphedit7fg.png


Cheers

BetaBoy
1st April 2006, 20:29
SMD... I'll start a thread in the ASP forum so bond does not have to start splitting this thread into 20 new ones ;-)

SeeMoreDigital
1st April 2006, 20:42
SMD... I'll start a thread in the ASP forum so bond does not have to start splitting this thread into 20 new ones ;-)Thanks mate,

I'll look forward to Bond moving all relevant ASP posts...


Cheers

lexor
1st April 2006, 22:08
@3ngel:

Are you referring to the mpeg2dec DLL for avisynth? I didn't know this could be used as a DS filter. If so, how?
I think he's just talking about make a script which opens up the video using mpeg2source and loading the avs file in the player. dunno about the speed of that, though.

3ngel
1st April 2006, 22:47
No, i'm talking about a real ds filter named that way.
I post the attachment of the .ax.

videomixer9
1st April 2006, 22:56
isn't that gabests directshow wrapper for libmpeg2? Moreover this has not even anything to do with ASP and even less with AVC ...

jblade
2nd April 2006, 21:13
When is it coming out? I thought today?

GmorG McRoth
2nd April 2006, 22:30
they have 30 minutes more to make it in time on GMT +1 time zone :)

videomixer9
2nd April 2006, 22:42
Guess they are using Microsoft Vaporwarizer 2006

breez
2nd April 2006, 22:46
Well, they are US based so there's a few more hours left.

jblade
2nd April 2006, 23:01
My dollar bet is that it gets delayed once again.

tomos
2nd April 2006, 23:20
not sure why since the betas worked well. unless possibly there's something up with the purchasing systems? thats my bet as to the cause of a delay

futurex
2nd April 2006, 23:31
just change the release date to july already!

vio_man
2nd April 2006, 23:41
I always said that people shouldn't promise things which would not deliver on time. It's better to just release when it's done than promising a date.

pankov
3rd April 2006, 00:17
oooh
come one, guys
let's give them a break. it will be ready when it's ready.
The terms are to be broken, after all
;)

GmorG McRoth
3rd April 2006, 00:29
It whuld be better if CoreAVC page had randomly generated excuses so refreshing it whuld be little bit less dissapointing.

tomos
3rd April 2006, 00:38
what like

If CoreAVC is late, time better slow the *** down.

:p

videomixer9
3rd April 2006, 00:51
"CoreAVC ... the longer you wait for the release the faster it has to decode your videos!"

"CoreAVC became obsolete, del HiDefContent.mp4 ... 1337% faster!"

acidsex
3rd April 2006, 02:15
I kinda agree. The delay is complete joke. One surely would think that if they are having delivery/payment problems that this too would have been tested before the release date.

It just seems too common over the last several years for companies to pimp their products and then when the release date nears, its delayed. It doesnt necessarily show the public that they are trying to get it right but more so the general public sees it as incompetence. Not everyone of the public understands bugs that creep up.

But companies like M$ and even Nero have been hyping their crap all over and when it never makes the light of day, people bash them. No offense to the Core group or BetaBoy, but they are no different. MS last year announced distributed encoding with Gridiiron Software that was supposed to allow users to use multiple machines for encoding HD video. Here it is a year later after NAB2005 and the encoder has not (if it ever will) seen the light of day. Nero last year, pimped their Nero 7 software a few months after the H.264 AVC HP went to us beta testers. Mnay people ran out and got the program only to find us six months later still without HP/Interlaced encoding.

I am not bashing Core. But when you set an expectation to a very anticipating customer base, you should do all you can to deliver on time. Companies like MS continue to delay their products (Vista) so they can remain in the news to further anticipation and sales.

As we are quickly approaching April 3, it looks like the current expectation on the coreavc site will fail once again. Not a good way to build customer trust.

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 02:56
Guys relax... we are still on track to deliver it by the end of the day today. All issues have been resolved, we are testing delivery.

welew
3rd April 2006, 04:54
thanks for the great effort!
Seems some link still in testing (download, faq...)
http://coreavc.corecodec.org/recommend.html
It seems CoreAVC still need high hardware configuration for 1080P H.264 playback
Guys relax... we are still on track to deliver it by the end of the day today. All issues have been resolved, we are testing delivery.

Gnerma
3rd April 2006, 04:55
So it looks like the site is online. The burning question on my (and I'm sure everybody else's) mind is how do I get that discounted price? :devil:

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 04:57
There won't be a discounted price. They have to pay the bills you know.

Gnerma
3rd April 2006, 05:03
Would you mind letting us in on your source on this bro? I was referencing this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=806029#post806029) post made by BetaBoy on the 28th.

Oline 61
3rd April 2006, 05:13
If you're in Jersey, it's already April 3rd.

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 05:16
Just a guess based on the fact that it's impossible to decide who would get the discounted price. aka what qualifications. It would be unfair to say that everyone on doom9 gets it and it would be unfair to limit it to a certain group unless of course they put in alot of the effort....as I can see some people did in the testing.

even though the site is up now I see no way to purchase as all the links I think are supposed to be active aren't lol

Shinjite
3rd April 2006, 05:23
thanks for the great effort!
It seems CoreAVC still need high hardware configuration for 1080P H.264 playback

So far 720p still runs fine in my comp without any dropped frames with my 64MB GF4 MX440-8X at 3.24Ghz (max 55% or below)
1080p havent tested yet though

nm
3rd April 2006, 05:26
It seems CoreAVC still need high hardware configuration for 1080P H.264 playback
There is obviously a lot of air in those numbers so that people with broken configurations wouldn't complain when CoreAVC won't work well for them. For example 480p24 requires about half of those specs.

Hans Ohlo
3rd April 2006, 05:58
even though the site is up now I see no way to purchase as all the links I think are supposed to be active aren't lolsame here :(

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 06:16
now they're just rushing and tring to patch things together. They just put up the website to say that they were released on time. It's already 1am where their headquarters is located lol. Anyway I'll have to check back tomorrow because it's too late for me to do anything tonight.

Hans Ohlo
3rd April 2006, 07:40
ok now its working.

Alizar
3rd April 2006, 07:58
So far, I am not impressed in the slightest.

The installer fails to actually register the directshow filter. I had to use the re-register shortcut on the start menu to do so. Worse (and I hope this is just isolated to me) on playback using seeking, video seems to "fast forward" until it catches up to the point where I seeked to originally.

Edit: I've confirmed this seeking problem with multiple users on both MKV splitters and players. Haven't tested .mp4 yet. It seems to be related to GOPs and the fast foward seeking seems to originate from the GOP until playback catches up to timecode.

Pomyk
3rd April 2006, 08:41
I have noticed the same problems.

dimzon
3rd April 2006, 09:00
Oh...
I'm from Russia and threre are no Russia or Russian Federation in PayPal registration form

robU*4
3rd April 2006, 09:00
From Cyt0plas (CoreCodec Tech Guy):
Download links are up. We are in the process of switching from one processing company to another; our automated registration system will be down for a day or so. In the meantime, all registrations will be manually ran within 12 hours.

Because of the launch delay, we're doing a 30% discount instead of the planned 25% for the next little bit. Discount applied after you click "buy now".

Eretria-chan
3rd April 2006, 09:05
Oh...
I'm from Russia and threre are no Russia or Russian Federation in PayPal registration form
Be patient :) They will set up other payment methods soon enough ^_^

BlackSun
3rd April 2006, 10:10
Okay we were a bit late, I agree. But I prefer to see this kind of delay instead of having a vaporware. Think Duke Nukem for ever.

breez
3rd April 2006, 10:14
C'mon, only a few days late and worked through the weekend to get it released! I'm sure your average company would have continued working on monday morning from where they left the project on friday night.

tomos
3rd April 2006, 12:53
well, have purchased my copy of the 'pro' one. just waiting for the download link now. cant wait for the GPU acceleration :D

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 13:24
So far, I am not impressed in the slightest.

The installer fails to actually register the directshow filter. I had to use the re-register shortcut on the start menu to do so. Worse (and I hope this is just isolated to me) on playback using seeking, video seems to "fast forward" until it catches up to the point where I seeked to originally.

Edit: I've confirmed this seeking problem with multiple users on both MKV splitters and players. Haven't tested .mp4 yet. It seems to be related to GOPs and the fast foward seeking seems to originate from the GOP until playback catches up to timecode.

Welcome to Doom9 Alizar... I'll check the file registration...

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 13:32
All... Thanx to everyone for your patience. Cyt0plas worked all weekend on the backend but in the end I uploaded a temp site and we bumbed the discount from 25% to 30% as a way thanking everyone for their patience.

We will bring the portal online soon which automates the purchase process. Each CoreAVC purchase is custom for each user.

Keeping reporting any issues you find.. on this thread or on our bug tracker @ http://corecodec.org/tracker/?atid=313&group_id=64&func=browse

pankov
3rd April 2006, 13:36
All... Thanx to everyone for your patience. Cyt0plas worked all weekend on the backend but in the end I uploaded a temp site and we bumbed the discount from 25% to 30% as a way thanking everyone for their patience.

We will bring the portal online soon which automates the purchase process. Each CoreAVC purchase is custom for each user.
will this allow different payment methods? (credit card payments except PayPal in particular)?

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 13:49
Yes, we are looking into a few alternatives atm till our 'Core Account' system is ready. I'll fill you in as it developes.... BTW... any suggestions?

CEC
3rd April 2006, 14:30
Any trial version to check?????
I want to try before I buy!!!:thanks:

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 15:12
We will release a trial version next month.

bratao
3rd April 2006, 15:13
Yeah !
I trial its cool !

CiTay
3rd April 2006, 15:47
Any trial version to check?????
I want to try before I buy!!!:thanks:

What about the 0.0.0.4 alpha? Should be a good preview.

See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=786019#post786019

Ice =A=
3rd April 2006, 15:49
I've bought the pro version this morning, congratulations on the release! Right now I'm waiting for the mail with the download link and I can't wait to test the decoder!!! :)

CEC
3rd April 2006, 15:59
What about the 0.0.0.4 alpha? Should be a good preview.

See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=786019#post786019


I did check that, but I had some problems! I did the post the problem, but I didn't took an answer and so I don't know if it is fixed!!!

See: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=105985

Ice =A=
3rd April 2006, 16:57
OK, I got it by now! :)
First tests indicate that it does what it should do and that it needs about 35% processing power where quicktime needs about 55%, which really is not bad at all! :)
I also found some 1080p videos which do not run fluently with quicktime (played with quicktime player or mpc on an Athlon X2 4200+) but do play flawlessly with CoreAVC.
I can't say much about SMP since even the most demanding videos only result in a cpu usage of very slightly over 50%... :)

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 17:00
I'm too poor atm to buy it but I think now it's even more prudent that I wait. Since this seems to still be a beta version. Although I don't remember seeing these errors int he last public version so I'm a little confused as to how their happening. To those of you having th eseeking issue are you using th epro version? Could it possibly be due to SMP support? Please give more details as to how your using the filter itself.

tomos
3rd April 2006, 17:05
i'm still waiting for my download link. altho they did say it can take upto 12 hrs

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 17:09
What about the 0.0.0.4 alpha? Should be a good preview.

See http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=786019#post786019

The current CoreAVC is about 1% faster then that build... Anyone up to do a detaied comparison?

Ice =A=
3rd April 2006, 17:11
@ChronoCross:
I'm using the pro version with mpc on an Athlon X2 and have experienced no such seeking issues at all. Should I test with any specific video file?

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 17:17
Tomos... I double checked your email was sent... if there is still an issue email me.

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 17:30
@ChronoCross:
I'm using the pro version with mpc on an Athlon X2 and have experienced no such seeking issues at all. Should I test with any specific video file?

From what I read (see below) it's happening on several machines. So what we need to do as a community is get more input on why this might be happening.


Edit: I've confirmed this seeking problem with multiple users on both MKV splitters and players. Haven't tested .mp4 yet. It seems to be related to GOPs and the fast foward seeking seems to originate from the GOP until playback catches up to timecode.

I looked on their bug tracker and it looks to be an issue with the internal and external gabest splitter. If your using Haali's splitter this probably won't happen.

If your going to report a bug either in this thread or on the tracker you should include the following:

a) Version of CoreAVC (Basic or Professional)
b) Players you've tried with version numbers
c) Processor Type
d) Splitter that is being used for your particular file.

This should help them work out any additional bugs you guys find.

tomos
3rd April 2006, 17:33
Tomos... I double checked your email was sent... if there is still an issue email me.

have mailed using addy in your profile :)

bob0r
3rd April 2006, 17:40
I'm too poor atm to buy it but I think now it's even more prudent that I wait. Since this seems to still be a beta version. Although I don't remember seeing these errors int he last public version so I'm a little confused as to how their happening. To those of you having th eseeking issue are you using th epro version? Could it possibly be due to SMP support? Please give more details as to how your using the filter itself.

Beta version? Shall we try alpha?
http://coreavc.corecodec.org/changelog.html

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 17:41
Thx ChronoCross you beat me too it ;-)

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 17:44
Beta version? Shall we try alpha?
http://coreavc.corecodec.org/changelog.html
Nice catch... actually it was Beta After 0.4... i'll make the changes.

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 17:49
Thx ChronoCross you beat me too it ;-)

you very welcome. I know how important it is to have accurate bug reports when trying to find a problem. else you just have giant ??? over your head when looking for the bug.

Pomyk
3rd April 2006, 18:11
Some more info on the speedup bug:

I have Athlon X2. Using haali splitter and professional version of CoreAVC. I tried MPC and WMP and it's the same.
What's happening:
After seeking it immediately shows the I(DR?) frame, starts playing audio and video playback is faster until it catches up to audio.

CEC
3rd April 2006, 18:12
We will release a trial version next month.

Next MONTH!?!?!?:eek: :eek:
Why SO LONG????:confused:

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 18:16
Next MONTH!?!?!?:eek: :eek:
Why SO LONG????:confused:

Because the demo requires alot of work as well as an automated update process and third party Vendor ID lockin.

fight2win
3rd April 2006, 18:25
is coreavc paid? is there a free version available?

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 18:28
is coreavc paid? is there a free version available?


did you not READ!!!! It's paid version and the free preview version is not available for another month.

CEC
3rd April 2006, 18:29
is coreavc paid? is there a free version available?

NO!:(

Selur
3rd April 2006, 18:39
over here I always get a session timeout at the end of procedure when buying with mastercard over paypal => will try again tomorrow

Pomyk
3rd April 2006, 18:44
Speed test with 1080p anime (15000 frames) on Athlon X2 @ 2.3Ghz:

v0.4 - 57.53
v1.0 pro - 62.67 (1 core) | 93.69 (2 cores ~90%)

About 9% speed increase using one core.

tomos
3rd April 2006, 18:55
Dan, any chance to check my mail?

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 19:08
Dan, any chance to check my mail?
no... send it to betaboy@corecodec.com ?

Ice =A=
3rd April 2006, 19:12
One little thing:
"fix VMR9 color range" needs some cpu time, about the equivalent of 100MHz on an Athlon 64 or Pentium M, at least that's what it did look like to me...
(For those who are looking for every frame. :))

Interestingly I have seen no speed gains, if anything it seemd a little bit slower, especially with activated "fix VMR9 color range".
Any idea about that discrepancy, Pomyk?!?

tomos
3rd April 2006, 19:15
sent to that one this time. used the hotmail one before :)

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 19:23
@BetaBoy
If you buy a version of the decoder, do you get updates for life? Or will I have to buy a new one each time you guys make changes to it?

fields_g
3rd April 2006, 19:35
Also, if we get pro version now, and wanted enterprise later, what kind of "trade-in" options are there?

killerhex
3rd April 2006, 20:06
are you guys developing an encoder

HookedOnTV
3rd April 2006, 20:13
Our installer is simplistic... and we have worked with Haali on with adding his splitter along with CoreAVC. What will not be done at launch like we had wanted is full support for TS streams. This will come in a future update Haali noted.

Where can we follow the progress on TS support?

foxyshadis
3rd April 2006, 20:56
The first post should probably be updated with a FAQ, because all these questions have been answered before:

free: haha, no.
encoder: yes, later.
upgrade: price is discounted the amount of your previous purchase, though of course policy might change.
updates: no answer, but see this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=794065&highlight=update#post794065). I assume 1.5 is free and 2.0 is discounted.

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 21:06
I caved and bought it. I'll have to upgrade to the enterprise edition once it comes out as I could like to have all features supported lol.

MrWizard
3rd April 2006, 21:10
I did as well. I hope I see the speed increases - I'm so close to being able to decode some of my 1080p video on my machine with the alpha. Here's hoping!

Ice =A=
3rd April 2006, 21:48
@MrWizard:
Please feel free to share your findings concerning decoding speed with us here! :)

MrWizard
3rd April 2006, 22:03
Of course! I hope to get my copy emailed to me by tonight so I can do some testing :D

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 22:09
Where can we follow the progress on TS support?

I'll ping Haali on it... and let you know.

SeeMoreDigital
3rd April 2006, 22:19
Where can we follow the progress on TS support? I'll ping Haali on it... and let you know.Sounds like a plan :)


Cheers

tomos
3rd April 2006, 22:21
Dan, i've mailed you on the addy you specified and the support address on your site but i still havent had a reply yet :(

ChronoCross
3rd April 2006, 22:57
They are probably a bit busy working on all the requests for the stuff. Be patient. I haven't got mine either. IT'll get done within 12 hours hopefully lol.

tomos
3rd April 2006, 23:09
prob is Dan mentioned earlier on that my mail had already been sent :(

BetaBoy
3rd April 2006, 23:28
The first post should probably be updated with a FAQ, because all these questions have been answered before:

free: haha, no.
encoder: yes, later.
upgrade: price is discounted the amount of your previous purchase, though of course policy might change.
updates: no answer, but see this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=794065&highlight=update#post794065). I assume 1.5 is free and 2.0 is discounted.

I was referring to TCPMP with the revision numbers there.... _any_ 1.xx CoreAVC users will be entitled to an upgrade to 2.0 when it comes out.

BetaBoy
4th April 2006, 00:03
ok.... we found out what the issue was. Users that did not get an email should get it within the hour. Thanx for the patience guys.

tomos
4th April 2006, 00:08
have replied to your mail Dan. anyways have been up for 34 hrs so time to catch some zssss.

lazyn00b
4th April 2006, 00:37
BetaBoy, I figured out why I wasn't getting the emails - the download email from cyt0plas was getting blocked by the gmail spam filter and sent to the spam folder. I've got the decoder now and it's working great!

Thanks again,

lazyn00b

popper
4th April 2006, 01:02
So it looks like the site is online. The burning question on my (and I'm sure everybody else's) mind is how do I get that discounted price? :devil:

well, a discount might be your mind but not mine, it seems
a fair price for an apparent fastest decoder, what im more interested in is the Encoder, and weather it will be possible to get a single fully functional GUI that runs
on all the muti platforms the CoreAVC Encoder will eventually run on , im hopeing they might discuse with carl
the CEO at http://www.rebol.com/platforms-view.html to use a single GUI script (end-user extendable if required) on at least the x86 and PPC platforms.

i have a question for the Core developers would your code
run from an embeded FPGA such as will be found on the new
Genesi EFIKA v2.0 http://www.ppczone.org/forums/posting.php?mode=quote&p=2497.

they have a freeScale software development platform and a reference design here http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=PPCG40010 but that current V1 system doent have Genesi'
latest options as yet and its unclear weather the
EFIKA v2.0 with the XGI chip equivalent and the Altera FPGA Hardware will also be opened up as a free reference design at this time to their Power.Org partners alongside
the on-going ppczone developers hardware program.

FYI the Altera FPGA is unknown at this time
http://www.ppczone.org/forums/posting.php?mode=quote&p=2509
, but the onboard XGI chip will most likely be V3XT
http://www.xgitech.com/products/products_2.asp?P=8&CTID={5B57D0A3-5D50-435F-B0D2-F28FCA5EF23B}

but that has "High Definition TV-OUT Solution with XV301PAL and NTSC Systems

Composite, S-Video, and Component RGB Output Signals

Macrovision Copy Protection Process Rev. 7.1.L1

HDTV 480i/480p/1080i/720p YPbPr Output Signals

A single link TMDS transmitter with excellent scaling capability for TFT LCD panel display"

if it turns out your Encoder is as efficiant as your decoder and it can infact be
enbeded into an FPGA such as the board above then perhaps your encoder and apps
would compliment the hardware assisted decoding etc.

so perhaps if you were to inform BBRV 'bill buck'
that you might be interested in trying out one of these
boards to see if theres a market for your full product range he may give you one to develop on.

i noticed you replyed that PPC was TBD and that you implyed
that current PPC was 'old' , im trying to let you know there is lots of NEW PPC based hardware coming to market
over the next few years that could well make use of your (or others) products, and give you the heads-up that there is a valid market there for long term paid-for products.

look into it or dont, thats your choice, but it would be a shame to miss such a chance to get on at the ground level now, rather than not and wish you had later, it cant heart to try it and see, if it works out then potentially EVERY
V2 might have your tools as standard (rather than somethng else) and that could be werth much more to you than the initial outlay in time and effort now.

whatever......

MrWizard
4th April 2006, 01:06
BetaBoy, I figured out why I wasn't getting the emails - the download email from cyt0plas was getting blocked by the gmail spam filter and sent to the spam folder. I've got the decoder now and it's working great!
Same thing for me. :thanks:

MrWizard
4th April 2006, 03:08
Okay, I just finished my first comparison. I'm a little confused with some of the output from Haali's timeCodec app but here is the info:

System Info
Pentium 4 3.0 GHz w/ HT
2.0 GB 533 MHz DDR2 RAM

Clip Info
length 0:02:28
size 106289 KB
res 1920x784

Results
CoreAVC 0.0.0.4 alpha
User: 124s, kernel: 0s, total: 124s, real: 124s, fps: 28.8, dfps: 28.7

CoreAVC 1.0
User: 6s, kernel: 0s, total: 6s, real: 102s, fps: 573.3, dfps: 35.0

ffdshow (2005-12-21 gcc 4.0.2 SSE, no post processing)
User: 206s, kernel: 0s, total: 206s, real: 207s, fps: 17.3, dfps, 17.3

However, I assume the italicized/underlined numbers are the framerates that really matter. And the new version provides even more than the 15% speed increase (for HT) BetaBoy announced. This is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%. I'm happy :D

jblade
4th April 2006, 03:37
Just bought it, have yet to recieve my link.

tomos
4th April 2006, 06:26
ok.... we found out what the issue was. Users that did not get an email should get it within the hour. Thanx for the patience guys.

Dan, i still havent had any mails. i dont have a spam filter/folder so not sure whats happening. it's been about 18 hrs now :(

BlackSun
4th April 2006, 08:44
However, I assume the italicized/underlined numbers are the framerates that really matter. And the new version provides even more than the 15% speed increase (for HT) BetaBoy announced. This is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20%. I'm happy :D

Thanks for the results, indeed it is very interesting :thanks:

tomos
4th April 2006, 13:08
is there anyone else who still hasnt had their download mail yet? it's been over 24 hrs now :(

Eretria-chan
4th April 2006, 13:21
I found my link in the bulk after checking again, now. You sure there is no link there?
I tried installing it with no problems. Don't have anything to test with right now, though.

Sirber
4th April 2006, 13:25
Does the DShow filter work under mplayer?

tomos
4th April 2006, 13:26
I found my link in the bulk after checking again, now. You sure there is no link there?
I tried installing it with no problems. Don't have anything to test with right now, though.

no email at all received apart from a check from Dan to ask if i had an email from carlos. no mails at all received otherwise :(

have mailed their support addy too and no reply from that either. would have though there was a problme between their domain and mine in regards to spam blocks somewhere but i got Dans test mails and his latest direct to me so that cant be it.

BetaBoy
4th April 2006, 13:46
Well Cyt0 stated our Mailer Server had a CBL blacklist on it... we have removed it from the blacklist and hope the issue is resolved in a few hours. See:
http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=64.192.171.160

If you have spam filters you may want to check that folder till your local mail server updates its DNS to relist us as ok.

tomos
4th April 2006, 13:58
ah ok, never heard that before. dont have spam lists on mine. its my own domain. hopefully it will be sorted later on today then :)

Pomyk
4th April 2006, 15:28
Another bug: lossless video doesnt work (professional version)

Abnormal1
4th April 2006, 15:42
Does the DShow filter work under mplayer?
I was also wondering this. As it may then work with Xbox Media Centre. I would buy this decoder if it would allow XBMC to decode AVC better.

BetaBoy
4th April 2006, 16:40
Another bug: lossless video doesnt work (professional version)
Please be more specific... if you are referring to Predictive Lossless (High 4:4:4 profile) that will be in our Enterprise decoder.

Sirber
4th April 2006, 17:05
I was also wondering this. As it may then work with Xbox Media Centre. I would buy this decoder if it would allow XBMC to decode AVC better.Same here, I would buy it to use it with mplayer.

emmel
4th April 2006, 18:14
Nice decoder the new CoreAVC Pro.

I only have one question: Is there any tool atm for converting or parsing a (dvb) ts/h264 -recording into a form or mediatype accepted by CoreAVC?

Looking forward to the direct ts support,
emmel

Pomyk
4th April 2006, 19:06
Please be more specific... if you are referring to Predictive Lossless (High 4:4:4 profile) that will be in our Enterprise decoder.

Lossless video encoded with x264. I tried different players (mpc, wmp), splitters (haali, mpc), containers (mkv, mp4). When played it's just black screen and stops immediately. When muxed with audio - it plays audio normally and shows just black screen.
It works with libavcodec.
Does anyone else have this problem?

CEC
4th April 2006, 19:26
Hey, you must do something with your website "http://coreavc.corecodec.org/"! It is too much LIGHT!!! It doesn't give the confidence that people want to take!!! If you want to sell more give it a better style!!!:sly:

Yes, it might be a good and fast decoder and yes you did a very good advertisment in the video forums, but if you want to have NEW customers who doesn't look the forums? What then???? A light website isn't always the best choice!!! Give it something! (Like: DivX, on2)!!!

Selur
4th April 2006, 19:35
is it just me or does the coreavc pro crash if you enable 'Raw Video' and 'Picture properties' in ffdshow ?

BetaBoy
4th April 2006, 19:53
Nice decoder the new CoreAVC Pro.

I only have one question: Is there any tool atm for converting or parsing a (dvb) ts/h264 -recording into a form or mediatype accepted by CoreAVC?

Looking forward to the direct ts support,
emmel

emmel... we are trying to rollout an update in a few days based upon some of the few bugs reported. Haali is working on TS support.... no word atm on when it will be ready.

Episodio1
4th April 2006, 19:53
CEC, if someone has to based his sales on the webdesign and not in his product itself... i think they have a problem.

Every time I've gone to Divx.com i spent 10secs to know where to read (or click). I had to make a mental map previously to orientate myself. :(

I love simple web-desing: I know where to read/click in one second.