Capture in Windows 98

winifreid · 29th September 2003, 16:52

I posted a similar thread elsewhere but after more than a week I have yet to receive much of a response. So I hope I don’t get flamed for trying to get answers here and being honest about it.
I would like to capture and edit some old VHS-C videos I took overseas and then transfer them to CD (not DVD)
Most important is to cut out all the shots I made when I forgot the camera was still on...
I would also like to add some subtitles, titles and transitions (in order of importance). I have read a ton of stuff about the subject, but still I am not sure what to do. I tried in the past to accomplish this with an old ATI AIW Pro (8 meg pci) card, but never did a reasonable job. I ran into the 2 gig avi limit, video was jumpy, sound low and out of sync, blue lines across the bottom, system crashes……… I used either MMC ver 7 or Videowave ver 3.5 without much difference. I tried Vdub unsuccessfully. I read where VDub needed a wrapper for this card, but I never tried it.
So to my questions.
1. Will I get better/acceptable results with the Leadtek 2000XP Deluxe? I ask because it is only about $46 at newegg.
2. If not, is there a card for less than $70 that will do a better job?
3. Can I do the editing I mentioned with either the included software or freeware?
4. Should I try the AIW with Linux to overcome the 2 gig Win 98 limit?
I would appreciate any advice.

Windows 98
1600+ Athlon XP
Iwill KK266 Motherboard (VIA KT 133 Chipset)
256 Meg PC 150 SDRAM
Leadtek Geforce 2 MX (32 meg) video card
40 gig 7200 rpm Maxtor hard drive
48-12-48 Lite-on CDRW

jggimi · 29th September 2003, 17:05

Hello, and welcome to Doom9's forum.

I can answer #4 -- Vdub and its variants can create and use "segmented" AVI files, so that your captures can be effectively unlimited on FAT32 disk partitions under W98. In FAT32, files are limited to 4GB. Regarding AVI limitations ... the OpenDML AVI standard has pretty much eliminated any individual AVI file size limit, assuming the software supports it -- which yours apparently does not.

Your 40GB disk drive is probably too small for your needs, since capture often can consume 1GB/10min, depending on methodology.

I understand you want to put your videos on CD .. but you don't mention if you want to use data CDs, or if you want to use Video CDs. They are different, and your procedures will vary.

And as for question #3, yes, there is freeware that will allow you to edit and add subtitles. And the choices here will often depend on your encoding procedures and personal preferences, and usually, experimenting with different tools to determine those preferences.

winifreid · 29th September 2003, 22:53

Thanks for the help. I actually have another 40 gig HD that I usually use as a system backup. I also wouldn't try to edit more than an hour of video at any given time. If I use the spanning function in vdub, I assume I can edit the section and then encode all of the sections to either vcd or svcd - which is what I would like to do. I hope to send out the completed versions oneither vcd or svcd to the people who were there with me. I guess if they don't have a compateble player I could do a transfer to tape using my dvd player and vcr.
Anybody able to help with the other questions?
Thanks again.

ppera2 · 30th September 2003, 00:33

Buying Leadtek instead ATI will have some benefits, because it uses BT878 chip, what is very well supported by capturing software.

However, things aren't simple, and you need to gain some special capture drivers and software to get best results.
For begin, read capture guide. You don't need wrapper for V Dub in Win98, but must use VFW capture driver, what is available for BT878 cards for free.
V Dub can do some simpler editing, like cut parts, insert logos, subtitles (with plugins) etc. Segmented capture (and save of AVI's) overrides FAT32 filesize limits. Capturing has also some nice features, but for VHS is much better to work with V Dub VCR.

I have good results with Pinnacle card (similar to leadtek), usage of BT Tweaker improves much VHS capturing.

winifreid · 1st October 2003, 16:10

Thanks
The MSI Master is just $59; would that be a better choice?
Why do most people seem to ignore the software that comes with card?

29th September 2003, 16:52	#1 \| Link
winifreid Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 15	Capture in Windows 98 I posted a similar thread elsewhere but after more than a week I have yet to receive much of a response. So I hope I don’t get flamed for trying to get answers here and being honest about it. I would like to capture and edit some old VHS-C videos I took overseas and then transfer them to CD (not DVD) Most important is to cut out all the shots I made when I forgot the camera was still on... I would also like to add some subtitles, titles and transitions (in order of importance). I have read a ton of stuff about the subject, but still I am not sure what to do. I tried in the past to accomplish this with an old ATI AIW Pro (8 meg pci) card, but never did a reasonable job. I ran into the 2 gig avi limit, video was jumpy, sound low and out of sync, blue lines across the bottom, system crashes……… I used either MMC ver 7 or Videowave ver 3.5 without much difference. I tried Vdub unsuccessfully. I read where VDub needed a wrapper for this card, but I never tried it. So to my questions. 1. Will I get better/acceptable results with the Leadtek 2000XP Deluxe? I ask because it is only about $46 at newegg. 2. If not, is there a card for less than $70 that will do a better job? 3. Can I do the editing I mentioned with either the included software or freeware? 4. Should I try the AIW with Linux to overcome the 2 gig Win 98 limit? I would appreciate any advice. Windows 98 1600+ Athlon XP Iwill KK266 Motherboard (VIA KT 133 Chipset) 256 Meg PC 150 SDRAM Leadtek Geforce 2 MX (32 meg) video card 40 gig 7200 rpm Maxtor hard drive 48-12-48 Lite-on CDRW

30th September 2003, 00:33	#4 \| Link
ppera2 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Lands of confusion Posts: 1,217	Buying Leadtek instead ATI will have some benefits, because it uses BT878 chip, what is very well supported by capturing software. However, things aren't simple, and you need to gain some special capture drivers and software to get best results. For begin, read capture guide. You don't need wrapper for V Dub in Win98, but must use VFW capture driver, what is available for BT878 cards for free. V Dub can do some simpler editing, like cut parts, insert logos, subtitles (with plugins) etc. Segmented capture (and save of AVI's) overrides FAT32 filesize limits. Capturing has also some nice features, but for VHS is much better to work with V Dub VCR. I have good results with Pinnacle card (similar to leadtek), usage of BT Tweaker improves much VHS capturing. __________________ Informational value of an advert is in inverted proportion to beauty of playing model(s)/actress(es)

29th September 2003, 17:05	#2 \| Link
jggimi Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The NW corner of Lake Erie Posts: 5,552	Hello, and welcome to Doom9's forum. I can answer #4 -- Vdub and its variants can create and use "segmented" AVI files, so that your captures can be effectively unlimited on FAT32 disk partitions under W98. In FAT32, files are limited to 4GB. Regarding AVI limitations ... the OpenDML AVI standard has pretty much eliminated any individual AVI file size limit, assuming the software supports it -- which yours apparently does not. Your 40GB disk drive is probably too small for your needs, since capture often can consume 1GB/10min, depending on methodology. I understand you want to put your videos on CD .. but you don't mention if you want to use data CDs, or if you want to use Video CDs. They are different, and your procedures will vary. And as for question #3, yes, there is freeware that will allow you to edit and add subtitles. And the choices here will often depend on your encoding procedures and personal preferences, and usually, experimenting with different tools to determine those preferences.

29th September 2003, 22:53	#3 \| Link
winifreid Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 15	Thanks for the help. I actually have another 40 gig HD that I usually use as a system backup. I also wouldn't try to edit more than an hour of video at any given time. If I use the spanning function in vdub, I assume I can edit the section and then encode all of the sections to either vcd or svcd - which is what I would like to do. I hope to send out the completed versions oneither vcd or svcd to the people who were there with me. I guess if they don't have a compateble player I could do a transfer to tape using my dvd player and vcr. Anybody able to help with the other questions? Thanks again.

1st October 2003, 16:10	#5 \| Link
winifreid Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 15	Thanks The MSI Master is just $59; would that be a better choice? Why do most people seem to ignore the software that comes with card?