Err I don't think I can wait 12 hours advice needed

mesostinky · 19th May 2003, 18:16

Hi all I'm just getting started with backing up my DVD's so I could use a little help. Basically my first attempt is looking like it will take around 12 hours total which is about 4 hours longer than I'd like. So I'm looking for suggestions on settings which will still give me good quality but not take so long.

Sys specs
XP1900,KT266A,512DDR,GF 4200, Liteon 166S DVD,30GB 7200 drive, XP SP1

Lastest Dvd2svcd & TMPG(2.511) settings
Movie is 2:07:20 aspect 16x9, NTSC.
No Subs, Audio 224 w/ No downsample,Frameserver Bicubic Resize.
Bitrate tab Its between 125-163 minutes, I set cd size to 800 for bitrate between 2380-1770.
Encoder is set to 2passVBR, DC prec set to 10bit

I'll post the entire log at the bottom

Basically next time I'll try CCE(VBR 3 pass maybe?) which I guess should be faster but I can't see it knocking off 4 hours from the total? Everything up till TMPG started its analyzing went really quick. Now its just dragging. The guides for setting up anything besides VBR seem kinda vague to me, mabye that means its not a good idea? But I'd appreciate any advice on different settings (CBR maybe) that would reduce the time while still keeping decent quality. Thanks.

Edit - one last thing. Is there anyway to kill the process now and start TMPG or CCE over with Different settings? Thanks

WNASPI32.DLL 4.5.7.1008
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- 5/19/2003 1:31:17 AM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.1.3 build 2
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 5/19/2003 1:31:21 AM
- Free on drive C: 13732.43 mb
- Internal rip
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Preparing vobfiles to be ripped:
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_1.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_2.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_3.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_4.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_5.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_6.vob
- E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_7.vob

Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_1.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_2.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_3.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_4.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_5.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_6.vob
Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_7.vob
Ripping finished. Speed: 7592

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- 5/19/2003 1:46:38 AM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_1.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_2.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_3.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_4.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_5.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_6.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_7.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 5/19/2003 1:51:31 AM
- Free on drive C: 6939.96 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Audio extraction finished.

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- 5/19/2003 1:57:14 AM
- Free on drive C: 6530.39 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 224 -m s )
Audio conversion of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 5/19/2003 2:11:58 AM
- Free on drive C: 6325.68 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp
Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 5/19/2003 2:12:07 AM
- Free on drive C: 6324.71 mb
- Video Encoding using TMPGEnc
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- Encoding C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TitlePicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\Pegasys Inc\TMPGEnc Plus 2.5\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.avs
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\Pegasys Inc\TMPGEnc Plus 2.5\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

- Encoding C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file.avs
StreamSectors: 2495536764
AudioSectors: 217863380
VideoPAPO: 35282376
ScanOffsetBytes: 165464
SeqAligningBytes: 10516163
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 12
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 900.00
PureMPEGStream: 2231709369.10
Seconds: 7677.04
CalcMPEGStream: 2231709369.10
Frames: 183849
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 3
Cut point 795.00
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\Pegasys Inc\TMPGEnc Plus 2.5\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close

pacohaas · 19th May 2003, 18:26

looks like a particularly long movie to me (7 vob's), if you want some more speed try simpleresize instead of the bicubic.

jsoto · 19th May 2003, 23:34

Hi mesostinky

My experience with TMPGEnc (2.54) was using CQ mode. It is faster than 2 pass VBR, (but similar to CQ_VBR which I`ve never try). Quality is good for CQ values higher than 80. The main problem is the file size estimation, DS2 does the best possible calculation, but not always the final size is the expected one.

Other parameter which is very speed sensitive is Motion Search precision (at least in CQ mode). I have these measurements done with the same 1 minute clips
CLIP A
Normal: 2:33
High: 3:33
Highest: 6:05

CLIP B
Normal: 3:22
High: 4:57
Highest: 8:59

(CQ=70 resolution 720x576, in both cases)
I believe quality is similar between High and Highest, but as you can see the encoding time is not.

Anyway, I am sure in TMPG forum you will find more and better indications.

Cheers
Edit:
Tests done on a 1.6 GHz P4; 256 MB RAM; 60GB-7200 rpm HD.

mesostinky · 20th May 2003, 01:38

Thanks for responding guys. Since I just started it's all a little overwhelming right now, but after reading a ton today I think I at least have an idea how to proceed now. My original setup has ~3hrs left so I'm just going to let that finish.

I'm definitely going to try TMPG CQ next then try CCE VBR and see how long they take and also if I can notice the quality differences. Really if its between 4-8 hours I don't mind, I just want to be able to start the rip before I go to bed and then have it done by the time I get up.

hoozdapimp · 21st May 2003, 09:59

CCE is usually much faster than TMPG...plus it yields better results (at least for MPEG2)...I would suggest using it instead

desen · 22nd May 2003, 00:01

Did you read this THREAD

Cheers

canoner · 28th May 2003, 05:45

No question, use TMPG CQ. With your hardware, you should be able to finish in 4 hours with "normal" setting and in 5 hours with "high" setting, and in 6.5 hours with "highest" setting. The quality is going to be better than VBR.

19th May 2003, 18:16	#1 \| Link
mesostinky Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6	Err I don't think I can wait 12 hours advice needed Hi all I'm just getting started with backing up my DVD's so I could use a little help. Basically my first attempt is looking like it will take around 12 hours total which is about 4 hours longer than I'd like. So I'm looking for suggestions on settings which will still give me good quality but not take so long. Sys specs XP1900,KT266A,512DDR,GF 4200, Liteon 166S DVD,30GB 7200 drive, XP SP1 Lastest Dvd2svcd & TMPG(2.511) settings Movie is 2:07:20 aspect 16x9, NTSC. No Subs, Audio 224 w/ No downsample,Frameserver Bicubic Resize. Bitrate tab Its between 125-163 minutes, I set cd size to 800 for bitrate between 2380-1770. Encoder is set to 2passVBR, DC prec set to 10bit I'll post the entire log at the bottom Basically next time I'll try CCE(VBR 3 pass maybe?) which I guess should be faster but I can't see it knocking off 4 hours from the total? Everything up till TMPG started its analyzing went really quick. Now its just dragging. The guides for setting up anything besides VBR seem kinda vague to me, mabye that means its not a good idea? But I'd appreciate any advice on different settings (CBR maybe) that would reduce the time while still keeping decent quality. Thanks. Edit - one last thing. Is there anyway to kill the process now and start TMPG or CCE over with Different settings? Thanks WNASPI32.DLL 4.5.7.1008 -------------------------------------------------------- - 5/19/2003 1:31:17 AM - DVD to SVCD Conversion - DVD2SVCD ver. 1.1.3 build 2 -------------------------------------------------------- Initializing Initializing finished. -------------------------------------------------------- - 5/19/2003 1:31:21 AM - Free on drive C: 13732.43 mb - Internal rip -------------------------------------------------------- Preparing vobfiles to be ripped: - E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_1.vob - E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_2.vob - E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_3.vob - E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_4.vob - E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_5.vob - E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_6.vob - E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_7.vob Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_1.vob Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_2.vob Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_3.vob Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_4.vob Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_5.vob Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_6.vob Ripping: E:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_7.vob Ripping finished. Speed: 7592 -------------------------------------------------------- - 5/19/2003 1:46:38 AM - DVD2AVI -------------------------------------------------------- Creating DVD2AVI INI file: - C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI Variable settings: iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX Executing DVD2AVI. Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline: "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_1.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_2.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_3.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_4.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_5.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_6.vob,C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\VTS_03_7.vob] Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file Force Film activated! Framerate: 23976 DVD2AVI processing done. -------------------------------------------------------- - 5/19/2003 1:51:31 AM - Free on drive C: 6939.96 mb - AUDIO Extraction -------------------------------------------------------- Found AC3 stream id: 0x80 Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 Audio1 delay: 0 ms Audio extraction finished. -------------------------------------------------------- - 5/19/2003 1:57:14 AM - Free on drive C: 6530.39 mb - AUDIO conversion -------------------------------------------------------- Encoding Audio. Filename: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 Executing BeSweet. Commandline: "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -2lame( -e -b 224 -m s ) Audio conversion of C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished. Audio conversion finished. -------------------------------------------------------- - 5/19/2003 2:11:58 AM - Free on drive C: 6325.68 mb - Converting Pictures -------------------------------------------------------- Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultTitlepicture.bmp Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp Finished converting pictures -------------------------------------------------------- - 5/19/2003 2:12:07 AM - Free on drive C: 6324.71 mb - Video Encoding using TMPGEnc -------------------------------------------------------- - Encoding C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TitlePicture.bmp.avs Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline: "C:\Program Files\Pegasys Inc\TMPGEnc Plus 2.5\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close Video Encoding finished. - Encoding C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.avs Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline: "C:\Program Files\Pegasys Inc\TMPGEnc Plus 2.5\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close Video Encoding finished. - Encoding C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\AviSynth_Script_file.avs StreamSectors: 2495536764 AudioSectors: 217863380 VideoPAPO: 35282376 ScanOffsetBytes: 165464 SeqAligningBytes: 10516163 DVDBytes: 0 VideoEndHeader: 12 SubtitleSectors: 0 EmptySectors: 238.00 PictureSectors: 900.00 PureMPEGStream: 2231709369.10 Seconds: 7677.04 CalcMPEGStream: 2231709369.10 Frames: 183849 CDSize: 800.00 Number of CDs: 3 Cut point 795.00 Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline: "C:\Program Files\Pegasys Inc\TMPGEnc Plus 2.5\TMPGEnc.exe" "C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close Last edited by mesostinky; 19th May 2003 at 18:18.

19th May 2003, 18:26	#2 \| Link
pacohaas Audio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 697	looks like a particularly long movie to me (7 vob's), if you want some more speed try simpleresize instead of the bicubic. __________________ {-n24-} The Old Fair Use Homepage

19th May 2003, 23:34	#3 \| Link
jsoto Just a Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 2,067	Hi mesostinky My experience with TMPGEnc (2.54) was using CQ mode. It is faster than 2 pass VBR, (but similar to CQ_VBR which I`ve never try). Quality is good for CQ values higher than 80. The main problem is the file size estimation, DS2 does the best possible calculation, but not always the final size is the expected one. Other parameter which is very speed sensitive is Motion Search precision (at least in CQ mode). I have these measurements done with the same 1 minute clips CLIP A Normal: 2:33 High: 3:33 Highest: 6:05 CLIP B Normal: 3:22 High: 4:57 Highest: 8:59 (CQ=70 resolution 720x576, in both cases) I believe quality is similar between High and Highest, but as you can see the encoding time is not. Anyway, I am sure in TMPG forum you will find more and better indications. Cheers Edit: Tests done on a 1.6 GHz P4; 256 MB RAM; 60GB-7200 rpm HD. Last edited by jsoto; 19th May 2003 at 23:39.

22nd May 2003, 00:01	#6 \| Link
desen Baby Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 87	Did you read this THREAD Cheers __________________ Before reporting strange crashes do this: Do a virus scan. With an updated tool. Prime 95: (run torture test for at least an hour) http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm Memtest: (run until complete) http://www.memtest86.com/

20th May 2003, 01:38	#4 \| Link
mesostinky Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6	Thanks for responding guys. Since I just started it's all a little overwhelming right now, but after reading a ton today I think I at least have an idea how to proceed now. My original setup has ~3hrs left so I'm just going to let that finish. I'm definitely going to try TMPG CQ next then try CCE VBR and see how long they take and also if I can notice the quality differences. Really if its between 4-8 hours I don't mind, I just want to be able to start the rip before I go to bed and then have it done by the time I get up.

21st May 2003, 09:59	#5 \| Link
hoozdapimp lost in space Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 558	CCE is usually much faster than TMPG...plus it yields better results (at least for MPEG2)...I would suggest using it instead

28th May 2003, 05:45	#7 \| Link
canoner Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 75	No question, use TMPG CQ. With your hardware, you should be able to finish in 4 hours with "normal" setting and in 5 hours with "high" setting, and in 6.5 hours with "highest" setting. The quality is going to be better than VBR.