Gordian Knot & Divx 5.02 quality question...

DeVNuLL · 30th March 2003, 23:27

I was just wondering what so called "rules" that people have when encoding with Gordian Knot and Divx Pro 5.02, as to when they would go for more then one CD (700MB)?

Like do some of you do two CD encoding of a movie if it is over a certain amount of time? or if below a certain bitrate, to try and increase it?

Thank you in advance,

Devnull

manono · 31st March 2003, 04:02

Hi-

For me personally, it's got nothing to do with the length of the movie or the bitrate. It has much more to do with the results of the compression test and the resolution I want to use. It also has to do with how much I like the movie whether or not I go to 2 CDs, higher resolution, AC3 audio, Director's Commentary, etc. But I'm sure others have different opinions. Some will always use 2 CDs and AC3 audio. Some will always try and use 1 CD with MP3 or OGG audio.

Mac Sidewinder · 31st March 2003, 14:32

I agree with Manono - If I can't get at least 60% in the compression test, or if the movie is one of my all time favorites with a great soundtrack, then I will go for 2 cds with ac3 sound. Otherwise its normally one cd with mp3.

Mac

Rash · 2nd April 2003, 19:31

MP3 at which quality? I can't usually get 60% (sometimes not even 50%) at 128Kbps. So I usually use 112 or 96 and try to stay around 55%-60% (because I use Convolution3D).
Anyway, I never go below 700xYYY. If I don't like the movie that much, then I keep this res, 1CD even if the Comp Test was not good.

But I do want a suggestion with MP3.

DeVNuLL · 2nd April 2003, 21:32

I know this is getting kind of off topic, but what the hell is Convolution3D?

Thanks

jggimi · 2nd April 2003, 21:40

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...what the hell is Convolution3D?

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DeVNuLL · 2nd April 2003, 22:06

Was just searching after posting

OvERaCiD23 · 2nd April 2003, 23:04

I always go for 2 CDs w/ AC3. I'll even go to 3 CDs for movies like SPR and 'Minority Report' (due to the added 'film grain', compressibility is horrible and I wanted the AC3 tracks). I'll do 1 CD for a few movies, like 1.5 hour comedies that don't need AC3 and are very compressible.

Bro · 7th April 2003, 15:55

if a movie is longer than 2hours....it will be very hard to make a descent 1cd-rip. thats for sure

I usually go that far, but more than 2 hours....won't be no good....

curna · 7th April 2003, 19:41

Just a question about the "Compression test".

A lot of people just tries to get 80 or 90% in the compression test. This will asssure you a good quality.

However, I've come to some movies (fro example Pi) that with a compression test of nearly 30 % the results where very good for my eyes.

What I try to say is that the "compression test" only gives an idea of the number of bits used over the total number of bits that the codec can use. But it has not always to do with "visual" quality.

The "visual" quality it's not linear. It may happens that using a 30% or a 60% of the codec capacity you could not see a lot of differences in the visual result. But with some other films you could have a very big "visual" improvement by going from a compression test of 50% to a one of 70%.

So, I think the compression test it's not either an ultiamte tool to decide what resolution or the number of CD's you want.

That's are my 2 cents.

valnar · 7th April 2003, 20:12

For 2 hour movies that you want to fit on one CDR, I am personally waiting for this drive:
Plextor Premium 52X

984MB should do it!

-Robert

N_F · 8th April 2003, 08:30

Quote:

Originally posted by curna
So, I think the compression test it's not either an ultiamte tool to decide what resolution or the number of CD's you want.

It's not the ultimate, but it's the best non-visual we got.

But I do agree with you, if you notice getting a very low percentage, always check the visual quality before taking the step to 1 or 2 CDs more.

(BTW, it's no good staying in 80-90%, you'll end up with undersized files on many occasions).

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DeVNuLL Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 35	Gordian Knot & Divx 5.02 quality question... I was just wondering what so called "rules" that people have when encoding with Gordian Knot and Divx Pro 5.02, as to when they would go for more then one CD (700MB)? Like do some of you do two CD encoding of a movie if it is over a certain amount of time? or if below a certain bitrate, to try and increase it? Thank you in advance, Devnull

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DeVNuLL Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 35	Convolution3D? I know this is getting kind of off topic, but what the hell is Convolution3D? Thanks

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DeVNuLL Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 35	Thanks Was just searching after posting

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Bro Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 54	if a movie is longer than 2hours....it will be very hard to make a descent 1cd-rip. thats for sure I usually go that far, but more than 2 hours....won't be no good.... Last edited by Bro; 7th April 2003 at 18:34.

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manono Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Hawaii Posts: 7,406	Hi- For me personally, it's got nothing to do with the length of the movie or the bitrate. It has much more to do with the results of the compression test and the resolution I want to use. It also has to do with how much I like the movie whether or not I go to 2 CDs, higher resolution, AC3 audio, Director's Commentary, etc. But I'm sure others have different opinions. Some will always use 2 CDs and AC3 audio. Some will always try and use 1 CD with MP3 or OGG audio.

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Mac Sidewinder Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgina Posts: 495	I agree with Manono - If I can't get at least 60% in the compression test, or if the movie is one of my all time favorites with a great soundtrack, then I will go for 2 cds with ac3 sound. Otherwise its normally one cd with mp3. Mac

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Rash Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 403	MP3 at which quality? I can't usually get 60% (sometimes not even 50%) at 128Kbps. So I usually use 112 or 96 and try to stay around 55%-60% (because I use Convolution3D). Anyway, I never go below 700xYYY. If I don't like the movie that much, then I keep this res, 1CD even if the Comp Test was not good. But I do want a suggestion with MP3.

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OvERaCiD23 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 90210 Posts: 510	I always go for 2 CDs w/ AC3. I'll even go to 3 CDs for movies like SPR and 'Minority Report' (due to the added 'film grain', compressibility is horrible and I wanted the AC3 tracks). I'll do 1 CD for a few movies, like 1.5 hour comedies that don't need AC3 and are very compressible.

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curna Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 29	Just a question about the "Compression test". A lot of people just tries to get 80 or 90% in the compression test. This will asssure you a good quality. However, I've come to some movies (fro example Pi) that with a compression test of nearly 30 % the results where very good for my eyes. What I try to say is that the "compression test" only gives an idea of the number of bits used over the total number of bits that the codec can use. But it has not always to do with "visual" quality. The "visual" quality it's not linear. It may happens that using a 30% or a 60% of the codec capacity you could not see a lot of differences in the visual result. But with some other films you could have a very big "visual" improvement by going from a compression test of 50% to a one of 70%. So, I think the compression test it's not either an ultiamte tool to decide what resolution or the number of CD's you want. That's are my 2 cents.

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valnar Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cleveland Posts: 532	For 2 hour movies that you want to fit on one CDR, I am personally waiting for this drive: Plextor Premium 52X 984MB should do it! -Robert