help with beauty and the beast

dvd_maniac · 14th October 2002, 00:47

I want to make a movie only copy of beauty and the beast and it has two pgc's and two angles in each of the pgc's. I usually rip with smartripper in movie mode so I strip the angle I want there. My question is which pgc do I want for wide screen? and which angle? They both say pan scan in smartripper...
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

hoops10 · 15th October 2002, 22:28

Im messing with this movie now and the R1 version has 3 pgcs all with 2 angles in them. PGC1 is longer than the other two AND PGC2 and PGC3 are the same length but I haven't figured out if they are duped or are seemless branched. This one looks tough!

dvd_maniac · 16th October 2002, 08:27

well I just guessed and ripped angle one of pgc1 and it came out fine, no problems whatsoever. I am gonna try the other ones on
dvd-(RW) and see if there is a difference.

hoops10 · 16th October 2002, 15:26

When you said you just ripped angle 1 of pgc1 and it came out fine, then you just prolly have one version of the film. I've been studying the vob ids and there are 3 vers of the movie on the dvd and they are seemless branched. It's gonna be a challege for anyone to back this dvd up with all 3 vers still intact.

tumbar · 16th October 2002, 15:43

Regarding the 3 different versions, angles and the seamless branching....I'm hoping that the kids don't notice the difference...lol They usually just look at me like a hero!

Too bad they are going to grow up someday.

I just kept angle 1 also.

hoops10 · 16th October 2002, 18:08

@tumbar

So you are saying that you just kept 1 ver of the movie? If so, which ver and how did you know which pgc contained it? Did you keep all the menus also? I would be willing to just keep the special edition of the movie if I could also keep the menus.

tumbar · 16th October 2002, 21:54

Dvddecrypter>ifo mode>enables streams>took resulting m2v and ac3 and put back together using spruceup, then compiled and burnt with nero.

think you could put back together with the new ifoedit also. And they say the new version will compile also?

no menus, just movie.

Jim

tumbar · 16th October 2002, 21:57

...but the beast ends up with the girl in the end !

Guess it's the "happy ending" version....lol

Tr0LL · 18th October 2002, 07:26

they all have the same ending....

version 1 is teh special version which is the version re-released in IMAX theaters on Jan. 1st... (new human again musical scene and some touch ups on the art like faces and stuff)

version 2 is the ORIGINAL beauty and beast release.

version 3 is the work in progress edition which has some moving drawings mixed in with the finished product...

it was pretty clear on the cover if you have it..

Anyway, my question is.... is it possible to strip one or two versions out so i can keep the original menu... this requires stripping 1 or 2 pgcs out.... any one try it?

hoops10 · 18th October 2002, 21:21

Yeah, I would like to know if its possible to keep only the Special Edition of the movie, and get rid of the other 2.

tumbar · 18th October 2002, 21:36

i took version 1 and ac3. decrypted as m2v and ac3. imported into spruce and compiled.

jim

i now know it's version one because they become human again.

hoops10 · 21st October 2002, 00:11

Is it possible to just keep ver 1, the Special Edition version, and still keep all the menus?

Tr0LL · 21st October 2002, 01:59

yea, that's what I want to do as well... to rip the movie and make my own menu is easy... but I want to keep the original menus...

drmih · 8th November 2002, 11:39

If you just want the Special Edition but all of the menus you're probably best off ripping PGC1, Angle 1 of VTS_09 and PGC4 (dummy one). Then use Scenarist to recreate the title but create the 4 PGCs but allocate the files from the original PGC1 to PGC1, PGC2 and PGC3. This should give a title that plays fine but you only ever get the special edition. Alternatively, you could use CCE to re-encode the Special Edition and the Work in Progress and probably be able to get both versions on a disc without too much quality drop as it's a relatively short film - you'd still have to allocate one of them to PGC2, but I can't really see anybody watching the original anyway.

drmih · 8th November 2002, 12:45

I've just had a look at the title and as it is seamlessly branching they have used the angles for the work in progress version. Therefore PGC1 is the Special Edition, but PGC2 and PGC3 are the same except that several of the cells have two angles. Angle 1 contains the Cinematic Release of the movie whereas Angle 2 is the original Work in Progress line drawing. If you rip the PGCs, you must make sure that you get Angle 1 from PGC2 and Angle 2 from PGC3.

Bruce Leroy · 11th November 2002, 03:34

I've burned the first disc no problems using ifoupdate and maestro. I ripped out the original version and the work in progress. The problem I'm having is with disc 2. Title set 2 is only 57 minutes long in cce but ifo update says that the title set is over 2 hours long... can't set the chapters correctly in maestro.

drmih · 11th November 2002, 09:55

I'm not sure if you will do it with Maestro. Basically there are about 20 PGCs but like alot of Disney stuff and others recently they put the movies in a play all PGC and then also in several individual bit PGCs. Therefore you can't just rip the PGCs and then put them back together again. I used vobedit to seperate all of the vob-ids, and then used to CCE to encode them seperatetly. I then used Senarist to create the original PGCs using the vob-ids which automatically will set up the original chapters (as they relate to the vob-ids). I order to do a good job on the disc I also had to use this approach on a few other title sets but did get it down to 4.38 Gb without any noticable drop in quality.

Bruce Leroy · 11th November 2002, 17:34

Wow thanks, I was hoping there was a way to do it without doing each
individual pgc... man I don't think the extras are worth that much hassle....

13th November 2002, 03:25

@DrMih
Your method of encoding individual VOBs sound interesting,
Can you give me more details on how you did it?

I understand how to separate the VOBs using VOBEdit, but how do you use CCE to encode these VOBs? and also how would you use these encoded VOBs with Scenarist to re-create the orinal PGCs?

With using CCE to encode these vobs, do you just follow the "Getting the best of out CCE guide"? If that the case how would you get the chapter info for each vob to put into the .ecl file in CCE before the encoding process or you don't have to do that at all?

With Scenarist, I followed the CCE/IFOEdit guide, and import all the m2v files and audio files and created the PGCs. It would work if the PGC only only one VOB id, but some of the PGC uses more than one VOB Ids when I looked in the IFO files using IFOEdit. How would you overcome this problems.
Also on some titles, different PGCs got different number of sound track (some have only one some has 3 or 4, and the address for these sound track are different) how would you overcome this situation?

Your help would be greatly appriated.
Regards.

drmih · 13th November 2002, 10:11

I'm not familiar with some of the guides that you mentioned but I'll try and explain as best as I can. On some titles you will find that there will be a PGC setup as the 'play all' option and the rest of the pgcs will be the individual clips or episodes. Usually when you check on the structure in IfoEdit you will see which vob-ids are used by each PGC and also the order they are in. In addition there are also the annoying little ones which are tagged on the end (a fraction of a second which scenarist creates as a still) of the pgc which ChapterXtractor will tend to ignore.

You will usually find that the number of chapters corresponds to the number of vob-ids being used. Therefore you don't have to worry about chapter points as each vob-id will create a chapter when it is dropped onto the title in scenarist. Therefore seperate all of the vob-ids out and use dvd2avi as normal and re-encode all of those of a reasonable size using CCE and demultiplex the little ones. You can use subrip on vobs without an ifo file if you want to get the subtitles out as well. Load all of the info into Scenatist and set up each of the vob-ids as tracks as you would do with ripped PGCs. All you then need to do is to add the correct number of titles in the scenario layout and then drop the vob-id tracks onto each title in the order they are shown in IfoEdit. The chapters will be setup automatically.

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dvd_maniac Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: northeast/usa Posts: 831	help with beauty and the beast I want to make a movie only copy of beauty and the beast and it has two pgc's and two angles in each of the pgc's. I usually rip with smartripper in movie mode so I strip the angle I want there. My question is which pgc do I want for wide screen? and which angle? They both say pan scan in smartripper... Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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dvd_maniac Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: northeast/usa Posts: 831	kupla well I just guessed and ripped angle one of pgc1 and it came out fine, no problems whatsoever. I am gonna try the other ones on dvd-(RW) and see if there is a difference.

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tumbar the "Master's" apprentice Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South West Texas Posts: 87	versions/branching/angles Regarding the 3 different versions, angles and the seamless branching....I'm hoping that the kids don't notice the difference...lol They usually just look at me like a hero! Too bad they are going to grow up someday. I just kept angle 1 also. __________________ On your grave marker they'll put.... (year of birth - year of death). What are you doing with your DASH?

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tumbar the "Master's" apprentice Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South West Texas Posts: 87	if i remeber right Dvddecrypter>ifo mode>enables streams>took resulting m2v and ac3 and put back together using spruceup, then compiled and burnt with nero. think you could put back together with the new ifoedit also. And they say the new version will compile also? no menus, just movie. Jim __________________ On your grave marker they'll put.... (year of birth - year of death). What are you doing with your DASH?

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tumbar the "Master's" apprentice Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South West Texas Posts: 87	not sure which version ...but the beast ends up with the girl in the end ! Guess it's the "happy ending" version....lol __________________ On your grave marker they'll put.... (year of birth - year of death). What are you doing with your DASH?

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hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	Im messing with this movie now and the R1 version has 3 pgcs all with 2 angles in them. PGC1 is longer than the other two AND PGC2 and PGC3 are the same length but I haven't figured out if they are duped or are seemless branched. This one looks tough!

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hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	When you said you just ripped angle 1 of pgc1 and it came out fine, then you just prolly have one version of the film. I've been studying the vob ids and there are 3 vers of the movie on the dvd and they are seemless branched. It's gonna be a challege for anyone to back this dvd up with all 3 vers still intact.

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hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	@tumbar So you are saying that you just kept 1 ver of the movie? If so, which ver and how did you know which pgc contained it? Did you keep all the menus also? I would be willing to just keep the special edition of the movie if I could also keep the menus.

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Tr0LL Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 15	they all have the same ending.... version 1 is teh special version which is the version re-released in IMAX theaters on Jan. 1st... (new human again musical scene and some touch ups on the art like faces and stuff) version 2 is the ORIGINAL beauty and beast release. version 3 is the work in progress edition which has some moving drawings mixed in with the finished product... it was pretty clear on the cover if you have it.. Anyway, my question is.... is it possible to strip one or two versions out so i can keep the original menu... this requires stripping 1 or 2 pgcs out.... any one try it?

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hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	Yeah, I would like to know if its possible to keep only the Special Edition of the movie, and get rid of the other 2.

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tumbar the "Master's" apprentice Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South West Texas Posts: 87	i took version 1 and ac3. decrypted as m2v and ac3. imported into spruce and compiled. jim i now know it's version one because they become human again. __________________ On your grave marker they'll put.... (year of birth - year of death). What are you doing with your DASH?

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hoops10 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 398	Is it possible to just keep ver 1, the Special Edition version, and still keep all the menus?

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Tr0LL Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 15	yea, that's what I want to do as well... to rip the movie and make my own menu is easy... but I want to keep the original menus...

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drmih Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 590	If you just want the Special Edition but all of the menus you're probably best off ripping PGC1, Angle 1 of VTS_09 and PGC4 (dummy one). Then use Scenarist to recreate the title but create the 4 PGCs but allocate the files from the original PGC1 to PGC1, PGC2 and PGC3. This should give a title that plays fine but you only ever get the special edition. Alternatively, you could use CCE to re-encode the Special Edition and the Work in Progress and probably be able to get both versions on a disc without too much quality drop as it's a relatively short film - you'd still have to allocate one of them to PGC2, but I can't really see anybody watching the original anyway.

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drmih Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 590	I've just had a look at the title and as it is seamlessly branching they have used the angles for the work in progress version. Therefore PGC1 is the Special Edition, but PGC2 and PGC3 are the same except that several of the cells have two angles. Angle 1 contains the Cinematic Release of the movie whereas Angle 2 is the original Work in Progress line drawing. If you rip the PGCs, you must make sure that you get Angle 1 from PGC2 and Angle 2 from PGC3.

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Bruce Leroy Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 47	I've burned the first disc no problems using ifoupdate and maestro. I ripped out the original version and the work in progress. The problem I'm having is with disc 2. Title set 2 is only 57 minutes long in cce but ifo update says that the title set is over 2 hours long... can't set the chapters correctly in maestro.

11th November 2002, 09:55	#17 \| Link
drmih Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 590	I'm not sure if you will do it with Maestro. Basically there are about 20 PGCs but like alot of Disney stuff and others recently they put the movies in a play all PGC and then also in several individual bit PGCs. Therefore you can't just rip the PGCs and then put them back together again. I used vobedit to seperate all of the vob-ids, and then used to CCE to encode them seperatetly. I then used Senarist to create the original PGCs using the vob-ids which automatically will set up the original chapters (as they relate to the vob-ids). I order to do a good job on the disc I also had to use this approach on a few other title sets but did get it down to 4.38 Gb without any noticable drop in quality.

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Bruce Leroy Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 47	Wow thanks, I was hoping there was a way to do it without doing each individual pgc... man I don't think the extras are worth that much hassle....

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Xitrum Guest Posts: n/a	@DrMih Your method of encoding individual VOBs sound interesting, Can you give me more details on how you did it? I understand how to separate the VOBs using VOBEdit, but how do you use CCE to encode these VOBs? and also how would you use these encoded VOBs with Scenarist to re-create the orinal PGCs? With using CCE to encode these vobs, do you just follow the "Getting the best of out CCE guide"? If that the case how would you get the chapter info for each vob to put into the .ecl file in CCE before the encoding process or you don't have to do that at all? With Scenarist, I followed the CCE/IFOEdit guide, and import all the m2v files and audio files and created the PGCs. It would work if the PGC only only one VOB id, but some of the PGC uses more than one VOB Ids when I looked in the IFO files using IFOEdit. How would you overcome this problems. Also on some titles, different PGCs got different number of sound track (some have only one some has 3 or 4, and the address for these sound track are different) how would you overcome this situation? Your help would be greatly appriated. Regards. Last edited by Xitrum; 13th November 2002 at 05:16.

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drmih Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 590	I'm not familiar with some of the guides that you mentioned but I'll try and explain as best as I can. On some titles you will find that there will be a PGC setup as the 'play all' option and the rest of the pgcs will be the individual clips or episodes. Usually when you check on the structure in IfoEdit you will see which vob-ids are used by each PGC and also the order they are in. In addition there are also the annoying little ones which are tagged on the end (a fraction of a second which scenarist creates as a still) of the pgc which ChapterXtractor will tend to ignore. You will usually find that the number of chapters corresponds to the number of vob-ids being used. Therefore you don't have to worry about chapter points as each vob-id will create a chapter when it is dropped onto the title in scenarist. Therefore seperate all of the vob-ids out and use dvd2avi as normal and re-encode all of those of a reasonable size using CCE and demultiplex the little ones. You can use subrip on vobs without an ifo file if you want to get the subtitles out as well. Load all of the info into Scenatist and set up each of the vob-ids as tracks as you would do with ripped PGCs. All you then need to do is to add the correct number of titles in the scenario layout and then drop the vob-id tracks onto each title in the order they are shown in IfoEdit. The chapters will be setup automatically.