More screws being turned?

setarip_old · 2nd May 2007, 03:27

I just noticed that at "Digital Video Forum", all of its decrypting-specific sub-forums have "disappeared".

Could "they" be at it again?

Does anyone have any factual information to share regarding this?

spuddog · 2nd May 2007, 03:36

If that is the case I doubt we will ever here anything from anyone involved, just like a previous case.

BLACKBIRDxx · 2nd May 2007, 04:03

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31859/97/

setarip_old · 2nd May 2007, 04:05

I guess the following is all that will be said:

http://forum.digital-digest.com/show...648#post528648

setarip_old · 2nd May 2007, 04:18

@BLACKBIRDxx

Hi!

The article to which you've applied a link does not appear to be pertinent to this specific event...

awhitehead · 2nd May 2007, 04:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by setarip_old

@BLACKBIRDxx

Hi!

The article to which you've applied a link does not appear to be pertinent to this specific event...

(Not sure if this is the correct forum for this thread. Admins, please move if apropriate)

Yesterday I was quite amused to read on slashdot about someone who calles himself "Rudd-O" who is busy spreading the processing key for HD-DVDs.

Link.

Supposedly sites he mentiones were all either given DMCA notices (Google notebook, blogspot, etc) , or are paid off by Microsoft (in case of digg).

It won't be surprising if it comes out that DMCA was involved in case of "Digital Video Forum", most likely filed with the ISP, not with the actual admins of the forum. Seems to be the weapon of choice now.

*sigh*

While I have lots of faith in doom9, and his ability to counder-file the DMCA notices, sometime I wonder if maybe it's time for me to save as a locl copy the "understanding AACS (including subset difference)" thread.

Coincidentially, don't you find the wording in this post by one of the owners of digg to be remarkably similar to the wording in the post you linked to? "In order for foo to survive..."

"You take that ^%$# off RIGHT NOW, or we'll sue you back into stone age as an accomplice!" "mmm... Okay!"

bourke · 2nd May 2007, 05:21

Sounds like a 'May day' takedown!

Incidently, if the admins of Doom9 receive such takedown notices can they please post a thread full of them?! Please :-)

Galileo2000 · 2nd May 2007, 05:38

OK, Empire strikes back.

We have just two choices gentlemen:

- sit and wait and hope nothing will happen;

- establish an emergency fund for doom99 or whatever just in case.

Place your opinions.

Mind you, if doom9 is down, not all but much of it is lost.

setarip_old · 2nd May 2007, 06:07

If I had to point to one significant difference between the "Doom9 Forum" and the "Digital Video Forum" - that may have been a reason for the virtual castration of "Digital Video Forum" - it would be the fact that "admin" (the owner of "DVF") accepted paid advertising which, amazingly, included ads for acquiring "DVD Decrypter" and "DV Shrink 2007" and "Fix DVD Shrink", to name a few.

I believe the purity of this forum, as maintained by its owner, as a meeting place for developers and those of us who wish only to make backup copies of our purchased media, coupled with its inviolate rules regarding downloads, is the primary reason for its continuing unassailed success.

I sincerely hope that the "Doom9 Forum" will continue long after the probable near-term demise of the now crippled "Digital Video Forum"...

Rich86 · 2nd May 2007, 06:23

It looks like folks are not even permitted to converse? It is truly unfortunate that such things can be thrust upon a discussion forum. The originator of this forum needs to take a long hard look at the opening statements regarding why doom9 exists, and what the objectives of its existence are. Those statements have just been mostly negated by the recent actions taken by the forum owner. They need to be edited down quite significantly.
We all bow to the kings of video - the MPAA - Sony - Macrovision - and our elected officials who live off their droppings.

But I'm still not going to buy any newer Sony dvd releases - because I'm not going to pay for mediocre quality, intentional flaws and defects, and autorun executables.

I'm still going to ignore high definition dvd's until the industry standardizes on a format and drives the prices of both players and releases down to something reasonable.

And we should all continue to advocate the protection of our rights - of free speech - and fair use. Just not in this forum, apparently, as it probably isn't permitted any longer. Program authors and forum mod's are running for the hills. I guess I don't really blame them.

setarip_old · 2nd May 2007, 06:30

@Rich86

Hi!

Quote:

The originator of this forum needs to take a long hard look at the opening statements regarding why doom9 exists, and what the objectives of its existence are. Those statements have just been mostly negated by the recent actions taken by the forum owner.

Are you confusing the "Doom9 Forum" with another forum?

What "recent actions" have been taken by the owner of the "Doom9 Forum"?

arnezami · 2nd May 2007, 06:35

Its incredible what is/has been happening at Digg.com

Digg.com has (literally) halted all new stories because it now only contains stories about the Processing Key! Its a massive revolt from their users for removing all posts about AACS decryption.

They may be removing these stories one by one now. But their trust is shattered. They may not recover because of this act of censorship.

[edit] YES! We have won! Freedom of Speech! (link)

Regards,

arnezami

melakai · 2nd May 2007, 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnezami

Its incredible what is/has been happening at Digg.com

Digg.com has (litterally) halted all new stories because it now only contains stories about the Processing Key! Its a massive revolt from their users for removing all posts about AACS decryption.

They seem to be removing these stories one by one now. But their trust is shattered. They may not recover because of this act of censorship.

Just a quick note, Kevin Rose has posted a follow-up. The important stuff:

Quote:

But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you’ve made it clear. You’d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.

linx05 · 2nd May 2007, 06:59

Go Digg!!! Wow that's really good of them. I wish the best of luck to DD. I only ever visited the forum for the decrypting side of things so I doubt I may go back.

I am still very interested as to why Doom9.org is so safe? I would love to find out what is so special about this place that it hasn't been taken down.

setarip_old · 2nd May 2007, 07:03

@linx05

Have you read my speculation in post #9 of this thread?

linx05 · 2nd May 2007, 07:09

Yes. We are hearing now that C&D orders are being given to Google and Digg.com. Why not shut down the place where it all started? The majority of the work on the AACS copy protection has been done here. It was a good speculation no doubt.

bourke · 2nd May 2007, 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galileo2000

OK, Empire strikes back.

We have just two choices gentlemen:

- sit and wait and hope nothing will happen;

- establish an emergency fund for doom99 or whatever just in case.

Place your opinions.

Mind you, if doom9 is down, not all but much of it is lost.

I am willing to host a server in Australia (1Mbps upstream) temporarily if they raid your ISP 'piratebay style'!

A very interesting fact is that I have had this as my signature on a Microsoft Xbox forum since February LOL:

'One key to rule them all and in the darkness bind them!
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0'

Check out the sig here:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

It's still a second page Google hit even after a few weeks LOL! Does that mean Microsoft would be receiving C&D letters from the MPAA?!

techreactor · 2nd May 2007, 07:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by setarip_old

I just noticed that at "Digital Video Forum", all of its decrypting-specific sub-forums have "disappeared".

Could "they" be at it again?

Does anyone have any factual information to share regarding this?

Well, I also noticed long time back after the fools day that DVF started removing all articles related to decrypting, rippers etc etc, you can do a search now and will find none. Now they come up with this, and bring out a new rule to it, Rule 19. You cannot even discuss applications like DVD shrink, Fixvts etc etc(i.e. virtually nothing can be discussed), which has nothing to do with circumventing the encryption and is ridiculous. Is the DVF forum trying to say that whatever they believed in and were running the forums for the last 8 years was against the law ??? and they were doing it knowingly and now they have stopped doing it since someone(MPAA) pointed it out. If you cannot even standup for your rights, you might as well close voluntarily. What will remain of DVF without all these discussions is to everyone's guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by melakai

Just a quick note, Kevin Rose has posted a follow-up. The important stuff:

At least you can appreciate that the Diggs forum listens to their members and can stand for their rights, even though they know that they can be striked down, unlike some other forums, where forum members are gagged and striked out for raising their voices.

bourke · 2nd May 2007, 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by techreactor

where forum members are gagged and striked out for raising their voices.

Struck out :-P

blutach · 2nd May 2007, 08:21

@techreactor

We trust you'll have less difficulty in following our rules than you did at DVF.

The simple thing is this. There is no "free speech" on a forum. The forum belongs to someone - in this case, Doom9. What he says goes - not some ideal of a "1st amendment". If bad things go down, they go down on his head and usually not the those of the members. So, we do what Doom9 says to ensure he is not in the firing line.

We have rules here (as most forums do) - they are simple to follow. If you follow them, there'll be no issues. If not, indeed strikes will be issued. We don't like to censor people, but will do so in the event of breaches to the rules.

I hope all members have read and understood these very easy to follow rules (together with the various announcements).

Regards

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setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	More screws being turned? I just noticed that at "Digital Video Forum", all of its decrypting-specific sub-forums have "disappeared". Could "they" be at it again? Does anyone have any factual information to share regarding this?

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spuddog Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: southern illinois, usa Posts: 123	If that is the case I doubt we will ever here anything from anyone involved, just like a previous case. __________________ Scott M.

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Rich86 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Fran Bay Area - Calif. - USA Posts: 221	Is Doom9 doomed? It looks like folks are not even permitted to converse? It is truly unfortunate that such things can be thrust upon a discussion forum. The originator of this forum needs to take a long hard look at the opening statements regarding why doom9 exists, and what the objectives of its existence are. Those statements have just been mostly negated by the recent actions taken by the forum owner. They need to be edited down quite significantly. We all bow to the kings of video - the MPAA - Sony - Macrovision - and our elected officials who live off their droppings. But I'm still not going to buy any newer Sony dvd releases - because I'm not going to pay for mediocre quality, intentional flaws and defects, and autorun executables. I'm still going to ignore high definition dvd's until the industry standardizes on a format and drives the prices of both players and releases down to something reasonable. And we should all continue to advocate the protection of our rights - of free speech - and fair use. Just not in this forum, apparently, as it probably isn't permitted any longer. Program authors and forum mod's are running for the hills. I guess I don't really blame them.

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arnezami Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 390	Its incredible what is/has been happening at Digg.com Digg.com has (literally) halted all new stories because it now only contains stories about the Processing Key! Its a massive revolt from their users for removing all posts about AACS decryption. They may be removing these stories one by one now. But their trust is shattered. They may not recover because of this act of censorship. [edit] YES! We have won! Freedom of Speech! (link) Regards, arnezami Last edited by arnezami; 2nd May 2007 at 06:52.

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linx05 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Region 4 Posts: 518	Go Digg!!! Wow that's really good of them. I wish the best of luck to DD. I only ever visited the forum for the decrypting side of things so I doubt I may go back. I am still very interested as to why Doom9.org is so safe? I would love to find out what is so special about this place that it hasn't been taken down. __________________ AnyDVD \| DVD Decrypter \| PgcEdit \| VobBlanker \| DVD Rebuilder \| ImgBurn

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BLACKBIRDxx Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6	http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31859/97/

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setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	I guess the following is all that will be said: http://forum.digital-digest.com/show...648#post528648

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setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	@BLACKBIRDxx Hi! The article to which you've applied a link does not appear to be pertinent to this specific event...

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bourke Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 85	Sounds like a 'May day' takedown! Incidently, if the admins of Doom9 receive such takedown notices can they please post a thread full of them?! Please :-)

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Galileo2000 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 224	OK, Empire strikes back. We have just two choices gentlemen: - sit and wait and hope nothing will happen; - establish an emergency fund for doom99 or whatever just in case. Place your opinions. Mind you, if doom9 is down, not all but much of it is lost.

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setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	If I had to point to one significant difference between the "Doom9 Forum" and the "Digital Video Forum" - that may have been a reason for the virtual castration of "Digital Video Forum" - it would be the fact that "admin" (the owner of "DVF") accepted paid advertising which, amazingly, included ads for acquiring "DVD Decrypter" and "DV Shrink 2007" and "Fix DVD Shrink", to name a few. I believe the purity of this forum, as maintained by its owner, as a meeting place for developers and those of us who wish only to make backup copies of our purchased media, coupled with its inviolate rules regarding downloads, is the primary reason for its continuing unassailed success. I sincerely hope that the "Doom9 Forum" will continue long after the probable near-term demise of the now crippled "Digital Video Forum"...

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setarip_old Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 16,267	@linx05 Have you read my speculation in post #9 of this thread?

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linx05 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Region 4 Posts: 518	Yes. We are hearing now that C&D orders are being given to Google and Digg.com. Why not shut down the place where it all started? The majority of the work on the AACS copy protection has been done here. It was a good speculation no doubt. __________________ AnyDVD \| DVD Decrypter \| PgcEdit \| VobBlanker \| DVD Rebuilder \| ImgBurn

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blutach Country Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: is everything! Posts: 6,499	@techreactor We trust you'll have less difficulty in following our rules than you did at DVF. The simple thing is this. There is no "free speech" on a forum. The forum belongs to someone - in this case, Doom9. What he says goes - not some ideal of a "1st amendment". If bad things go down, they go down on his head and usually not the those of the members. So, we do what Doom9 says to ensure he is not in the firing line. We have rules here (as most forums do) - they are simple to follow. If you follow them, there'll be no issues. If not, indeed strikes will be issued. We don't like to censor people, but will do so in the event of breaches to the rules. I hope all members have read and understood these very easy to follow rules (together with the various announcements). Regards __________________ Les Only use genuine Verbatim or Taiyo Yuden media.