How do I resize 480x480 to 720x576

Bodman · 11th January 2003, 00:07

Hi,
I am looking to convert SVCD to DVDR. I have done this plenty times without re-encoding the video but I would like to get this back to the correct resolution if possible without any reencoding or quality loss....can I do this by a simple avisynth script or is ther another way.

Possibly something like

mpeg2source("c:\LOTR2\lotr2.mpg")
BilinearResize(720,576)

Regards

Bodman

808state · 12th January 2003, 00:11

Try this guide! http://www.vcdhelp.com/svcddvdr.htm

Bodman · 12th January 2003, 18:45

Thanks I looked at this but its the same as what I do now. Faking the video using DVD patcher. I have found a lot of standalones dont like this so I was looking to actually resize the video back to original from SVCD 480 x 480.

//bodman

Cartoony · 12th January 2003, 20:30

I've tried this myself & get the most reliable results with Canpopus Procoder - open the SVCD MPEG, choose your settings & re-encode. Every file I've done remains in Sync, too.
If you've done loads of 480x480 SVCDs on DVDr, could you have a look at my question at
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42798
please. Thanks

Andy McRip · 12th January 2003, 21:07

try here instead
" http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/svcd2dvdr.htm "

Bodman · 13th January 2003, 18:52

Hi,
Thanks for the replies. I have now found a solution using AVISYNTH I am using a script like this.

loadplugin("c:\windows\system32\MPEG2Dec.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\LOTR2\1.d2v")
crop(0,104,480,272)
bilinearresize(720,480)

If anyone wants to do this and needs to know how i came about these setting drop me a line

//Bodman

Cartoony · 13th January 2003, 21:10

Stupid questions, I know, but:
1) can you run this on the SVCD MPEG or do you need to de-mux it? If so, what do you demux & then remux with?
2) if you can run this on the MPEG, how do you resample the audio to 48k.
I'd appreciate your help as I'm familiar with SVCDs but have only just got a DVDr. I'd be keen to know how you do this conversion (including resampling the audio) but really need a step by step guide if possible please.

fletch · 16th January 2003, 06:43

Hi Bodman,

Thanks for your AVISYNTH script ! We both seem to be converting the same movie

How did you join all 4 discs together ? Using TMPGEnc ?

What was the quality of the re-encode ? I assume you used CCE to re-encode ?

Cheers

Fletch

jdobbs · 16th January 2003, 18:06

@bodman

You may want to consider using BicubicResize as opposed to BilinearResize (same syntax) -- it does a better job when enlarging a picture size.

themancubb · 17th January 2003, 18:16

I have the same movie but the joining is causing the audio to be off about 3 sec after the first CD. I am using Tmpgenc and It cannot seem to get the vids joined without messing up. PLEASE let me know waht I can do

Bodman · 17th January 2003, 20:30

I demuxed the audio and video with tmpeg (mpeg tools > simple demux

AUDIO
Dont join the audio streams yet...I tried loads of ways and always got out of sync audio

open the audio in sound forge 5...selected resample 48Khz then saved as wav (yes all 4 disks and yes there 600+ meg)

converted the wavs to mp2 using 2lame (besweet gui)...now got 4 mp2 files

joined the files together using twins file merger (Misc files)...now 1 large mp2 file

VIDEO
opened the first mpv file in dvd2avi and it auto selects the rest...
using the crop section on video tab I found out how much to chop off the top and bottom of the video (Black Bars) which was 104 off the top and the bottom...therefore crop in avisynth becomes crop(0,104,480,272) (left,top&bottom,width,height) the height is 480-104-104=272

un ticked the crop/resize check box and saved project (untick audio track 1 if ticked...you already have the audio)

I used this script in avisynth

loadplugin("c:\windows\system32\MPEG2Dec.dll")
mpeg2source("F:\LOTR2\1.d2v")
crop(0,104,480,272)
bilinearresize(720,480)

but after post by jdobbs (thnx

) I changed to

BicubicResize(720,480)

Ran this through CCE
(I opened the first demuxed mpv file (untouched) through bitrate viewer to get some of the settings

opened Maestro (rather than scenerist this time)
dragged in audio, video and a (every 9 minutes) chapter file I knocked up and combined (multiplexed)

once finished I opened the ifo file in ifoedit and the aspect ratio was set to 4:3..

so I changed this back to 16:9

(i must have missed somethin out somewhere along the way)

hey presto...in sync and correct aspect ratio

Quality was less than the SVCD....but it was the correct aspect...

hope this helps some of you trying to do the same as me. I dont claim this to be the fastest or even the best way to do this...surely there must be a easier way...but it worked for me

//Bodman

Bodman · 18th January 2003, 01:54

Back to the quality, I have burnt this re-enocoded video to dvdr and checked in my standalone, and the quality is not as good as the SVCD some jaggies on moving images (obvious really as its been encoded again

) so back to my original question...does anyone know a way to crop and resize this without a re-encode or do I have to re-encode this as its cropped resolution is 480x272 and i want 720x480...can someone also confirm the best settings for CCE for this

//Bodman

fasttimes · 18th January 2003, 02:25

No way to resize without another transcoding

If I were you, I would resize to half D1 (352x480) and not full D1. The will allow a higher bitrate/pixel ratio (improving quality) and will also tend to hide a bit of the SVCD artifacts.

I also would not use bicubic, but bilinear. Bicubic will just enhance the MPEG artifacts, as it has a sharpening effect.

Lastly, I would use some filtering, to try and kill some of the SVCD artifacting.

jdobbs · 18th January 2003, 03:50

Bodman,

I've done quite a few of these. Look here to see the method I use.

Here's the AVISYNTH script used:

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRAM FILES\DVD-RIP\AVISYNTH\MPEG2DEC.DLL")
mpeg2source("d:\image\vobs\MYFILE.d2v")
BicubicResize(720,640)
crop(0,80,720,480)

I've gotten consistently good quality encoding with CCE. Also -- the compression ratio remains very high on these upsized videos because the true underlying resolution never actually gets any better than the 480x480 source. The parts that are added are inferred from the original making them compress very well.

I wouldn't downsize to 352x480 because then you are definitely degrading the picture. I would agree, though, that if your original has a lot of artifacts (it was compressed at too low a datarate) that bilinear resizing can soften the picture and smooth the edges. From a quality original, though, that would be considered distortion.

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Bodman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bodsworld Posts: 126	How do I resize 480x480 to 720x576 Hi, I am looking to convert SVCD to DVDR. I have done this plenty times without re-encoding the video but I would like to get this back to the correct resolution if possible without any reencoding or quality loss....can I do this by a simple avisynth script or is ther another way. Possibly something like mpeg2source("c:\LOTR2\lotr2.mpg") BilinearResize(720,576) Regards Bodman Last edited by Bodman; 11th January 2003 at 00:10.

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Andy McRip Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1	Forget VCDHELP Everything is here try here instead " http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/mpg/svcd2dvdr.htm "

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fletch Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 157	Hi Bodman, Thanks for your AVISYNTH script ! We both seem to be converting the same movie How did you join all 4 discs together ? Using TMPGEnc ? What was the quality of the re-encode ? I assume you used CCE to re-encode ? Cheers Fletch Last edited by fletch; 16th January 2003 at 07:01.

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jdobbs Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 21,175	@bodman You may want to consider using BicubicResize as opposed to BilinearResize (same syntax) -- it does a better job when enlarging a picture size. __________________ jdobbs.softworks@gmail.com

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themancubb Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4	Audio Issue I have the same movie but the joining is causing the audio to be off about 3 sec after the first CD. I am using Tmpgenc and It cannot seem to get the vids joined without messing up. PLEASE let me know waht I can do

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808state Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 71	Try this guide! http://www.vcdhelp.com/svcddvdr.htm

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Bodman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bodsworld Posts: 126	Thanks I looked at this but its the same as what I do now. Faking the video using DVD patcher. I have found a lot of standalones dont like this so I was looking to actually resize the video back to original from SVCD 480 x 480. //bodman

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Cartoony Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7	I've tried this myself & get the most reliable results with Canpopus Procoder - open the SVCD MPEG, choose your settings & re-encode. Every file I've done remains in Sync, too. If you've done loads of 480x480 SVCDs on DVDr, could you have a look at my question at http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42798 please. Thanks

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Bodman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bodsworld Posts: 126	Hi, Thanks for the replies. I have now found a solution using AVISYNTH I am using a script like this. loadplugin("c:\windows\system32\MPEG2Dec.dll") mpeg2source("F:\LOTR2\1.d2v") crop(0,104,480,272) bilinearresize(720,480) If anyone wants to do this and needs to know how i came about these setting drop me a line //Bodman

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Cartoony Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7	Stupid questions, I know, but: 1) can you run this on the SVCD MPEG or do you need to de-mux it? If so, what do you demux & then remux with? 2) if you can run this on the MPEG, how do you resample the audio to 48k. I'd appreciate your help as I'm familiar with SVCDs but have only just got a DVDr. I'd be keen to know how you do this conversion (including resampling the audio) but really need a step by step guide if possible please.

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Bodman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bodsworld Posts: 126	I demuxed the audio and video with tmpeg (mpeg tools > simple demux AUDIO Dont join the audio streams yet...I tried loads of ways and always got out of sync audio open the audio in sound forge 5...selected resample 48Khz then saved as wav (yes all 4 disks and yes there 600+ meg) converted the wavs to mp2 using 2lame (besweet gui)...now got 4 mp2 files joined the files together using twins file merger (Misc files)...now 1 large mp2 file VIDEO opened the first mpv file in dvd2avi and it auto selects the rest... using the crop section on video tab I found out how much to chop off the top and bottom of the video (Black Bars) which was 104 off the top and the bottom...therefore crop in avisynth becomes crop(0,104,480,272) (left,top&bottom,width,height) the height is 480-104-104=272 un ticked the crop/resize check box and saved project (untick audio track 1 if ticked...you already have the audio) I used this script in avisynth loadplugin("c:\windows\system32\MPEG2Dec.dll") mpeg2source("F:\LOTR2\1.d2v") crop(0,104,480,272) bilinearresize(720,480) but after post by jdobbs (thnx ) I changed to BicubicResize(720,480) Ran this through CCE (I opened the first demuxed mpv file (untouched) through bitrate viewer to get some of the settings opened Maestro (rather than scenerist this time) dragged in audio, video and a (every 9 minutes) chapter file I knocked up and combined (multiplexed) once finished I opened the ifo file in ifoedit and the aspect ratio was set to 4:3.. so I changed this back to 16:9 (i must have missed somethin out somewhere along the way) hey presto...in sync and correct aspect ratio Quality was less than the SVCD....but it was the correct aspect... hope this helps some of you trying to do the same as me. I dont claim this to be the fastest or even the best way to do this...surely there must be a easier way...but it worked for me //Bodman Last edited by Bodman; 18th January 2003 at 01:55.

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Bodman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bodsworld Posts: 126	Back to the quality, I have burnt this re-enocoded video to dvdr and checked in my standalone, and the quality is not as good as the SVCD some jaggies on moving images (obvious really as its been encoded again ) so back to my original question...does anyone know a way to crop and resize this without a re-encode or do I have to re-encode this as its cropped resolution is 480x272 and i want 720x480...can someone also confirm the best settings for CCE for this //Bodman Last edited by Bodman; 18th January 2003 at 02:13.

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fasttimes What-- Me Worry? Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 111	No way to resize without another transcoding If I were you, I would resize to half D1 (352x480) and not full D1. The will allow a higher bitrate/pixel ratio (improving quality) and will also tend to hide a bit of the SVCD artifacts. I also would not use bicubic, but bilinear. Bicubic will just enhance the MPEG artifacts, as it has a sharpening effect. Lastly, I would use some filtering, to try and kill some of the SVCD artifacting.

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jdobbs Moderator Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 21,175	Bodman, I've done quite a few of these. Look here to see the method I use. Here's the AVISYNTH script used: LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRAM FILES\DVD-RIP\AVISYNTH\MPEG2DEC.DLL") mpeg2source("d:\image\vobs\MYFILE.d2v") BicubicResize(720,640) crop(0,80,720,480) I've gotten consistently good quality encoding with CCE. Also -- the compression ratio remains very high on these upsized videos because the true underlying resolution never actually gets any better than the 480x480 source. The parts that are added are inferred from the original making them compress very well. I wouldn't downsize to 352x480 because then you are definitely degrading the picture. I would agree, though, that if your original has a lot of artifacts (it was compressed at too low a datarate) that bilinear resizing can soften the picture and smooth the edges. From a quality original, though, that would be considered distortion. __________________ jdobbs.softworks@gmail.com Last edited by jdobbs; 18th January 2003 at 03:55.