Subtitles: before or after resize?

[Chainmax]

I'm trying to create an SVCD and don't know where to put the subtitle line in my avisynth script so that they are the correct size when my standalone resizes them.

[Chainmax]

Come to think about it, this belongs in the Subtitles forum. Sorry for the mistake :o.

[mic]

I've never gotten subs to work on SVCDs, so probably not the best person to answer your question, but I'll give it a try. :)

According to spec I think (if memory serves), they can be stored as a separate track or in the video file, and overlaid by the player. Found out about the tools and methods at videohelp.com -- don't think any were freely available.

If you were hardcoding them, I think I'd try a couple of tests to see which looked better -- using a condensed font after resize to 480, or applying normal, bold font before (which I suspect might be best). Fonts don't resize well, so don't know what would hurt the least: enlarging a good shape, or restoring a bad (after resize) shape. :(

[Chainmax]

I thought about selectable subs, but according to VideoHelp, CVD and Phillips subs are not too compatible, so I went the hard subs way. My current script goes like this: [Filtering]--->[Resize]--->[Filtering]--->TextSub("X:\wherever\subtitle.srt")

But the subs become too big when viewing the final encode in my computer, and in the TV the result is worse. Do you have any idea if there's a TextSub manual around so that I can see how (if possible) to reduce the size of the subs?

Mmm...phillips subtitles are part of the SVCD standard after all...maybe I should try that? Does anyone know the procedure?

[mic]

I thought about selectable subs, but according to VideoHelp, CVD and Phillips subs are not too compatible, so I went the hard subs way. My current script goes like this: [Filtering]--->[Resize]--->[Filtering]--->TextSub("X:\wherever\subtitle.srt")

But the subs become too big when viewing the final encode in my computer, and in the TV the result is worse. Do you have any idea if there's a TextSub manual around so that I can see how (if possible) to reduce the size of the subs?
Easy in v/dub with plugin's style editor - finding docs seems iffy. Going back to 2002, only thing I have is basically a 2 line text file:
LoadPlugin("textsub.vdf")
TextSub("path\filename.ext"[, charset[, fps]])

Mmm...phillips subtitles are part of the SVCD standard after all...maybe I should try that? Does anyone know the procedure?
Prob. I had when I tried this was there only were a few companies who made the software, none of it was free, some was out of production, one I think wasn't ported to English, and the hacked stuff I found didn't work as it should. There were guides around I think that should still be up.

[Chainmax]

The SVCD page on VideoHelp says that all that is needed is either submux or MaestroSBT, both of which seem to be available for free. The download page at Doom9 also has WinSubMux which apparently can also do it. I'll try the latter and report back.

[Chainmax]

I'm thinking of using SubAdjust to convert the Subrip file to .ssa, then using MaestroSBT to create a submux compatible file and finally use WinSubMux in order to multiplex the result to the SVCD stream. Maybe that will work.

[mic]

Hmmm... Dating myself I guess :( I think Maestro was a new tool that came out after I'd given up on I-Author etc... :D Apologies, I should've checked :(, but glad you found a potential route. Reading the docs with it the author suggests old version of submux. I keep old versions alongside new, & the docs haven't changed since 2002, so I'm guessing that it might be a bit harder to come by, getting mostly Linux-related hits. If it helps, & of course only if you have any prob with WinSubMux, and go off looking for submux, might have luck searching on nimo50build7 -- GUI's here http://www.nic.fi/~lhahne/submux/

Now I'll go back to wondering why I have these old builds of tools still around. :)

[Chainmax]

Reading the CVD/SVCD subs section at VideoHelp, it actually says that Phillips subs work on most Phillips players and some others. So, I change my mind once again and turn to hard subs. I won't use the virtualdub plugin in order to avoid unnecessary colorspace conversions, plus VSFilter for avisynth already lets me load subtitles in an avd script. I'll see if I can find a manual for it in the zip it comes on.


...nope, it only has the DLL in Unicode and non-Unicode versions. I guess I'll turn to Google.

[mic]

...nope, it only has the DLL in Unicode and non-Unicode versions. I guess I'll turn to Google.
If you don't have any luck I'll look into the archives in the closet :scared:

[Chainmax]

No luck. It would help to know how does CCE deal with SVCDs, since I don't recall having this issue with TMPG.

[Chainmax]

Are you still around?

[Abond]

No luck. It would help to know how does CCE deal with SVCDs, since I don't recall having this issue with TMPG.
What's wrong?
Anyway, does your DVD player support any type of selectable subtitles in svcd? You can try to search the DVD player models at videohelp.com. IIRC there should be also a sample svcd with different type of subtitles muxed. In fact they are two types: CVD and SVCD type.