NVIDIA AVC 264 accell in drivers - any beta/rumors for 7800GTX??? [Archive] - Page 5

dragongodz

23rd March 2006, 02:37

so it looks like my 6600 AGP is completely uncapable to do WMV HD
after doing a bit of searching(which is always a good idea) it seems some people have found the 80 series of drivers have this problem for the 6600 series. going back to 78 drivers apparently gets the acceleration working for wmv.

Do you have to get one of these third party programs like WinDVD or Nero Showtime to be able to have H.264 acceleration on nVidia cards
currently yes. though either the drivers or these programs or even both are showing some bugs, fail to accelerate or picture corruption, at the moment with some cards/systems.

Forget Purevideo!
Look at this pdf. CoreAVC is still more efficient than anything else.
not sure if you all have kept up with the latest CoreAVC thread
this thread is about hardware acceleration of h264 with nvidia gfx cards and the current state of software and drivers etc. its not about coreavc. as BetaBoy said, coreavc has its own thread. so if you just feel like praising it and saying "dont use anything else" please post it there.

xkodi

23rd March 2006, 07:30

after doing a bit of searching(which is always a good idea) it seems some people have found the 80 series of drivers have this problem for the 6600 series. going back to 78 drivers apparently gets the acceleration working for wmv.

several minutes ago installed ForceWare 78.82 and there is no difference in comparison with 84.21 - 100% CPU usage and several fps;

so exactly which 78.xx drivers is working for sure

xkodi

23rd March 2006, 07:55

exactly which 78.xx drivers is working for sure

i try with 78.01 and i can confirm that 78.01 has working WMV HD acceleration for GF6600 AGP, with Step_into_Liquid_1080.wmv CPU usage is under 50%, but things are not perfect - there is a problem with audio syncronization

devaster

23rd March 2006, 08:16

xkodi

23rd March 2006, 10:25

i have the latest driver from nvidia (84.21) on my NV6600, and nvidias purevideo decoder and when used the purevideo decoder the cpu usage drop down at half (A64 3000+) (from 40% to 20%)...
i think it is working ...

when i use last elecard decoders (AVC/ASP/mpeg2 released feb. 9,2006; have implemented and using DXVA), the effect is the same ....

last nero decoder (AVC/ASP/mpeg2) is using DXVA too (not only implemented how before) ...

Nvidia Purevideo decoder is only MPEG2 decoder using DXVA, it even works with several years old GPU from ATI like Radeon 7000, and here we are discussing h264 and WMV HD acceleration of GeForce 6 and 7, which is different thing than MPEG2 DXVA capable decoders

try the following video http://download.microsoft.com/download/e/a/d/eadb9b42-728b-42b0-bfdf-b472fa2a2464/Step_into_Liquid_1080.exe and see your CPU usage

dragongodz

23rd March 2006, 12:45

but things are not perfect - there is a problem with audio syncronization
yes i saw that mentioned aswell. specifically what i read was the sync problem is with vmr mode while no sync problem with overlay. however overlay doesnt get the same acceleration as vmr(meaning overlay is much slower, closer to no acceleration apparently) for some reason. as i said, this is what i have read on other forums, not my own experiences.

the point is wmv acceleration does kind of work. you get a lot lower cpu usage as you noted but there is a bug with sync. apparently the 6200 and 7800 series dont have this problem.

relevance is that h264 acceleration is also very new and these are beta drivers and early versions of decoding software. as such they are showing plenty of bugs right now. i know i am not upgrading or buying any software until i see whats stable and working right. ;)

oh and theres a new forceware out, 84.25 with the only change mentioned(after 84.21) is some compatability fixes. :)

hwti

23rd March 2006, 14:27

is WMV HD acceleration works for you, because for me it also doesn't work, that's why at least in my case i believe is not a software issue

with 84.21
WMV acceleration works :
step_into_liquid_1080.wmv
without acceleration (WMP9 or old WMP10) : 60% mean CPU usage
with WMP10 + KB888656 + KB891122 : 30% mean CPU usage

But still no H264 acceleration, and I even have another bug :
On windows 2003 with nero showtime and H264 acceleration enabled, if I press ctrl+alt+suppr and want to show task manager (which resets VMR renderer, some softwares need restarting to get the image back) I get a BSOD in nv4_mini.sys

xkodi

23rd March 2006, 19:20

after a lot of tests, there are only a few versions of ForceWare after 78.01, capable to do WMV HD acceleration with my AGP GF6600-based Asus N6600TD, here is the chart:

ASUS N6600TD (GF6600 AGP)

FW WMVHD h264

78.01 OK NA
78.03 OK NA
78.05 OK NA
78.10 OK NA
78.11 OK NA
78.30 BAD NA
78.82 BAD NA

80.40 OK NA

81.26 BAD NA
81.33 BAD NA
81.40 BAD NA

83.91 BAD NA

84.21 BAD BAD
84.25 BAD BAD

the more interesting thing i found during the test is that if i replace nv4_disp.dll from not working version with one from working, for instance i replace "nv4_disp.dll 78.30" with "nv4_disp.dll 78.11" i get WMV HD acceleration with 78.30, so it looks like that the problem is in nv4_disp.dll ...

tomos

1st May 2006, 10:52

has anyone had this working with h264 content?

tried the latest beta drivers, as well as the latest purevideo and no joy getting it working in MPC.

i'm going to try the latest nero showtime since a google search showed someone using that successfully.

migor

5th May 2006, 06:55

Latest Nero's 7.2 ShowTime 3 already really supports NVIDIA
h264 hardware acceleration. At least it works on my 7600GT. When HW acceleration is turned on, CPU usage drops approx. by 30% (less, than in DVD case).

DanielSun

6th May 2006, 12:43

powerDVD7has been lanched，anyone tested it yet？

DanielSun

6th May 2006, 15:10

Nero ShowTime hardware H.264 acceleration works for me too!

tomos

6th May 2006, 15:41

which forceware do you use? nothing works here :(

p.s. which card?

migor

7th May 2006, 18:30

I'm using:

ForceWare 84.43 (beta)
PureVideo 1.02.196

The computer configuration is:

Athlon X2-3800
DFI NF4 Ultra-D
2x512MB PC3200 Ballistix Ram
eVGA 7600 GT CO
Windows MCE 2005

Jan Marijniszoon

8th May 2006, 22:52

I got an Nvidia 6200 AGP

Nero Showtime says that it uses hardware accelaration, but I am getting extreme strange artifacts.

Nick [D]vB

14th May 2006, 22:25

I don't know if this has been posted in here before but it makes very interesting reading!

http://www.behardware.com/news/8117/coreavc-stronger-than-avivo-purevideo.html

Sharktooth

23rd May 2006, 17:10

a new beta driver is available from nvidia with a lot of improvments in purevideo area:
New NVIDIA PureVideo features and enhancements. Please visit the NVIDIA PureVideo website for more information on PureVideo technology and system requirements.

* Adds noise reduction post processing
* Adds image sharpening post processing
* Improved Inverse telecine algorithm
* Improved de-interlacing algorithm
* Improved compatibility with third party MPEG-2 decoders
URL: http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_winxp_2k_32bit_91.28.html
As a side note, OpenGL 2.0 is supported... finally...

Carpo

23rd May 2006, 17:13

shame they shiped my 6800 ultra with broken chip :(

sjchmura

23rd May 2006, 18:06

7800GTX and Purevideo / Nero ?

So: I have purevideo .192 version (newest). Can the new NERO codecs enable the h264 acceleration? I have not updated this in some time and am scared (use this on media center). as you know when MCE works it is ROCK SOLID so I just wanted to know can you use the Nero 6 ULTRA drivers to get h264 accel or do you need to upgrade yo 7.0 (that still is not direct show compatible! with other players then SHOWTIME~!~~)

Steve

Sharktooth

23rd May 2006, 18:25

Nero6 does NOT support purevideo.

tomos

23rd May 2006, 18:35

as said, you need nero7 or powerdvd 7 with AVC support i think

Stebs

23rd May 2006, 18:51

As a side note, OpenGL 2.0 is supported... finally...
AFAIK Definitely not, since OpenGL 2.0 is supported since quite some time (at least since first 80 releases or even earlier).
And yes, I saw "Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0c and OpenGL® 2.0 support" too, but Nvidia supports this NOT since this Driver (just as DirectX 9.0 is supported since quite some time...)
shame they shiped my 6800 ultra with broken chip :(
Well, at least not completely broken, only WMV and (far more disappointing) h264 hardware acceleration.
All mpeg2 gimmicks DO work.
I did first have a 6600GT with all video accel. things working but I grabbed a 6800GT for a very reasonable Price because I wanted a last faster AGP card (but knowing I would loose some video accel. capabilities).
Seriously, I do not regret this since wmv accel. is not THAT important (and my XP 3200+ can still handle 99,9% of those few wmv Trailers). For h264 there is CoreAVC which is even better than normal hardware accel.

Sharktooth

23rd May 2006, 19:13

AFAIK Definitely not, since OpenGL 2.0 is supported since quite some time (at least since first 80 releases or even earlier).
And yes, I saw "Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0c and OpenGL® 2.0 support" too, but Nvidia supports this NOT since this Driver (just as DirectX 9.0 is supported since quite some time...)
Uhm, spoken too early.
OpenGL 2.0 support is not there even with these drivers.
Nvidia says it's there but it isnt... or at least it's far from complete.
80.xx series was the same... no OpenGL 2.0 support even if they claimed it...

Stebs

23rd May 2006, 19:18

Nvidia says it's there but it isnt... or at least it's far from complete.Ok, you got me curious now.
How you came to this conclusion/tested this?

Sharktooth

23rd May 2006, 19:23

get the opengl conformance test and run it.
it fails several tests.

Stebs

23rd May 2006, 19:35

Ok thanks.
But I suppose those failures will mostly have nothing to do with features needed for common games and apps? - Anyway, a pity those drivers are still not 100% compliant, but I guess then that other Vendors will not do much better.
I only knew the OpenGL Extension Viewer from Realtech VR...

Sharktooth

23rd May 2006, 19:39

well, developers know what features are broken or unsupported and they avoid them.
but claiming OpenGL 2.0 compatibility (or even lower coz it fails also 1.x tests) without having passed the conformance test is not that "fair"...
however others does it as well, so...

sjchmura

24th May 2006, 01:55

Is Nero7 Finally "unbroken" so he codecs can be used under MCE and other DirectShow software (zoomplayer) like Nero6???

Sharktooth

24th May 2006, 01:57

Dunno, i use ffdshow, coreavc and haali splitter but the last time i heard nero 7 filters were a bit pricky.

sjchmura

24th May 2006, 21:06

Nero 7: Showtime only ....

That is the reason i did NOT upgrade (for $20) - was this issue. I find it CRAZY as their filters were GREAT under media center etc.

Nick [D]vB

27th May 2006, 17:09

Can anyone tell me how Cyberlink's H.264 acceleration scales across the Geforce 7 cards?

Because the Nvidia chips have dedicated SIMD hardware [instead of using shaders like ATI]

is the performance still relative to their 3D performance?

I am hoping it scales with clock speed so the 7600GT will give similar performance to the 7900GT

[because they have the same clock speed]

Has anyone done any benchmarks showing the % CPU load reduction with the different GF7 cards?

I have heard that the 7600GS cards do not perform well, is this a driver issue or does the 128bit memory bus cripple acceleration in some way?

BTW, I thought the decoder from PDVD7 Deluxe already supported GPU acceleration on NVIDIA cards "out of the box"

but I keep on hearing that Cyberlink will be releasing H.264 acceleration packs for PowerDVD7 later in the year???

If it does already support it is it better that the add-on pack for PDVD6 or is it the same decoder?

Sorry for all the questions,

Thanks for your help,

Nick

bond

27th May 2006, 18:48

cyberlink has already released versions of their decoder for ati and nvidia, but the one in powerdvd seem to support none

Nick [D]vB

28th May 2006, 16:20

So you still need to buy one of these:

http://www.cyberlink.com/cinema/ati/h264_decoder/enu/index.jsp

http://www.cyberlink.com/oem/nVidia/0602/enu/index.jsp

...even if you have already forked out $70 for PowerDVD 7 Deluxe!!!

I wonder why is the NVIDIA version three times the price of the ATI version? It's only about twice as fast...

http://www.behardware.com/news/8117/coreavc-stronger-than-avivo-purevideo.html

An enhancement pack providing optimized H.264 performance for ATI® Avivo™ and NVIDIA® PureVideo™ graphics cards will be released later in the year.

http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2497/cyberlink_launches_powerdvd

Does anyone know when the PowerDVD7 add-on packs will be out?

I am thinking about getting a new graphics card soon, I assume the 7600GT beats the X1800GTO at H.264 accelleration

but if it doesn't I would prefer to get the X1800GTO because it beats the 7600GT at 3D [apart from OpenGL] and is cheaper in the UK.

If anyone has tested these two cards with the Cyberlink decoders please let me know what you found.

Thanks,
Nick

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Nick [D]vB

30th May 2006, 16:33

cyberlink has already released versions of their decoder for ati and nvidia, but the one in powerdvd seem to support none
It looks like support for NVIDIA and ATI has just been added to PowerDVD Deluxe:

http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/download/trials_1_ENU.html

I wonder if they will still release improved add-on packs at some point?

Jay Bee

30th May 2006, 18:32

vB']It looks like support for NVIDIA and ATI has just been added to PowerDVD Deluxe:

Confirmed. I downloaded thw new demo you linked to, Nvidia Purevideo is supported and the performance is very impressive. :)

Some quick tests:

The BBC test clips linked to here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=826082#post826082) now play perfectly with 50 fps and CPU at 30-80% load. Without hardware acceleration they play at about 15 fps. That's an improvement of over 300%!

With other clips and outside of PowerDVD performance is a bit random, depending on renderer and clips used. You really have to try different combinations of splitters, players, renderers and decoders to find the best combo for each clip. For example the Cyberlink splitter causes stuttering in an MPEG2 clip that the Nvidia splitter plays fine, a German AVC sample crashes PowerDVD but works in VLC, selfmade x264 clips look rubbish and blocky with hardware acceleration on etc.

So still a long way to go for AVC but when the Cyberlink/Purevideo decoder does work it really flies.

Nick [D]vB: Since the BBC clips work doesn't this mean that your football HD problem is solved? (or in fact has been for quite some time?)

My specs:
AMD Opteron 144 @2.5 Ghz
Geforce 6600 GT 128 MB AGP
Asrock Dual SataII
512 MB RAM

Nick [D]vB

30th May 2006, 18:41

Nick [D]vB: Since the BBC clips work doesn't this mean that your football HD problem is solved?
Not quite, my X800 doesn't support H/A and my X1800's H/A sucks, it only takes about -10% CPU load.

The new version is a bit faster for me even without H/A, I get ~24fps on my 3GHz AlthonFX but it is not stable [drops to ~15fps on fast pans etc].

It will be interesting to see how it performs on my new dual core rig,

the latest VSS3 beta is much slower than I'd hoped so it looks like CoreAVC is the way to go...

Cheers,
Nick

Theliel

31st May 2006, 21:39

woww, i get it!!
I try nero7, WinDVD... and nothing. Only soft that i can doing run hard acell in X64 (with purevideo) are new powerDVD7 trial.

Some test...

TheGreatestGame_HD_AVC.mp4 in nerodigital

CoreAVC 1.0 and zoomplayer I get a 40% in the best case and 80% in the worse in CPU load (is more irregular)
PowerDVd without purevideo CPU load go to 90-96% CPU load estable
PowerDVD WITH purevideo 20% in best case and only 40-50% in the worse!!

The best solutions... CoreAVC with Purevideo support ¿when? :P

devaster

5th June 2006, 14:34

I have asus 6600 256 MB silent and amd64 3000+ 1 GB RAM and z-tweaked 91.28:
nero showtime (from 7.2.0.3b) full PAL MPEG4 AVC : 25-30 %
coreavc in mpc : about 30 %
powerdvd bundled with my card: 20% and lower ...

jok

23rd June 2006, 14:10

devaster

24th June 2006, 08:28

have you a dx9c installed ???

JohnnyFu

25th June 2006, 21:10

Hi,
I have a 6600GT AGP on a nForce2 system and can't get DXVA working with Cyberlink 7 H264 decoder (CL264dec.ax build 1.7.0.1626 -> the build that supports nVidia purevideo DXVA).
I've tried many nVidia drivers (84.21, 91.28 and 91.31) and many players (also graphedit) without success.

IMHO the problem might be related to one of the following:
- my XFX 6600GT is one of the first released (November 2004)
- DXVA H264 doesn't work on AthlonXP/nForce 2 system
- DXVA H264 doesn't work on system with ACPI disabled (as mine)

If anyone has DXVA H264 working with a 6600 AGP and nForce2 motherboard let me know, thank you.

Regards,
Jok

I had the same trouble on my old 6600GT AGP card... forgett it... you will never get h.264.... the will not support this cards anymore i think. i wrote to the inquirer and emailed with nvidias tech marketing manger europe... nothings happend...

btw, its not an nforce2 problem, i had a KT880 chipset and acpi was alway enabled.
my MSI 6600GT ViVo was bought early in 2006.

jok

26th June 2006, 10:25

JohnnyFu

26th June 2006, 20:05

Yes, I've dx9c installed (updated to May 2006).
It is not a 6600GT AGP problem, on another forum there are people that got DXVA H264 working with Cyberlink filter build 1.7.0.1626, P4 3GHz CPU and 91.28/91.31 driver.

Any other suggestion?

Thanks,
Jok

i think there was one report somewhere in a forum, of working h.264 h/a on a 6600GT AGP, but i´m in doubt about the technical skills of that user.

jok

27th June 2006, 15:00

i think there was one report somewhere in a forum, of working h.264 h/a on a 6600GT AGP, but i´m in doubt about the technical skills of that user.

I know 3 members on a forum claiming that DXVA H264 on 6600GT AGP works and they aren't newbie.
There must be something wrong in my PC, but what?

Regards,
Jok

Jay Bee

27th June 2006, 17:48

Maybe it would'nt hurt if you told us exactly what doesn't work. Is the DXVA setting available in PDVD? Is the image corrupted? Is it a performance problem? What are you testing?

My 6600 GT AGP works with CL264dec.ax 1.7.0.1626 in PDVD and with some glitches in Zoom Player using 9x.xx drivers. Also deblocking seems to be deactivated, don't know what it's like on other cards.

More Specs: A64 CPU ,Uli Chipset, PNY GPU

Theliel

28th June 2006, 10:27

jok

28th June 2006, 10:51

My 6600 GT AGP works with CL264dec.ax 1.7.0.1626 in PDVD and with some glitches in Zoom Player using 9x.xx drivers. Also deblocking seems to be deactivated, don't know what it's like on other cards.

More Specs: A64 CPU ,Uli Chipset, PNY GPU

Thank you for your report, what Forceware driver version are you using?
I've PowerDVD7 with CL264dec.ax 1.7.0.1626 and DXVA setting is available both in PowerDVD7 and directly on Cyberlink H264 filter using graphedit. But it is not working: while playing a H264 content in PowerDVD7 the information tab show DXVA "not in use", CPU usage is at 100% and the video stutters a lot.
The same thing happens with graphedit (using CL264dec.ax filter) and DVBViewer.
I've tried a lot of Apple H264 trailers, some .ts H264 and live sat TV with H264 channels. I've tried these Forceware driver versions: 84.21, 91.28 and 91.31.

There must be something wrong on my system, but what?
My 6600GT AGP is a XFX dual DVI with 128 MB bought on November 2004. Perhaps a recent GPU revision fixed the problem...

Any suggestions?

Thank you,
Jok

jok

28th June 2006, 11:02

6600GT AGP work fine.

first at all:

PureVideo 1.02-196
ttp://download.nvidia.com/Windows/dvd_decoder/1.02-196/NVIDIA_PureVideo_Decoder_Trial_1.02-196.exe

Driver 91.31:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/windows/91.31/91.31_winxp2kmce_international_whql.exe

PowerDVD TRIAL!!:(only work for me the trial version):

http://download.cyberlink.com/ftpdload/trial/PowerDVD_Trial.exe

I have a lot of problems with H264 and pure video. Only way to use was with powerDVD7 trial. Nero show time 3 nothing, and WinDVD7 nothing

The problem here is only for DXVA H264, PureVideo decoder 1.02-196 has nothing to do with it as it is a MPEG2 decoder. However I've installed that version on my system.
Also the versione of PowerDVD7 you linked is not the correct one as it doesn't support DXVA on H264 content.

Have you checked the DXVA status ("in use" or "not in use") in PowerDVD7 while playing a H264 content?

Regards,
Jok

Jay Bee

28th June 2006, 18:18

Thank you for your report, what Forceware driver version are you using?
I've PowerDVD7 with CL264dec.ax 1.7.0.1626 and DXVA setting is available both in PowerDVD7 and directly on Cyberlink H264 filter using graphedit. But it is not working: while playing a H264 content in PowerDVD7 the information tab show DXVA "not in use", CPU usage is at 100% and the video stutters a lot.
The same thing happens with graphedit (using CL264dec.ax filter) and DVBViewer.
I've tried a lot of Apple H264 trailers, some .ts H264 and live sat TV with H264 channels. I've tried these Forceware driver versions: 84.21, 91.28 and 91.31.

There must be something wrong on my system, but what?
My 6600GT AGP is a XFX dual DVI with 128 MB bought on November 2004. Perhaps a recent GPU revision fixed the problem...

Any suggestions?

Thank you,
Jok

Sorry. I can't really think of anything you could try. I've attached a few screenshots you could compare.

You need one of the 9x.xx Forcewares for the 6600 GT AGP. With 8x.xx drivers DXVA will also "work" but the image is a bit psychedelic. For me the 9x.xx drivers are buggy and instable as hell though so H264 DXVA isn't really usable for me either.

The DXVA status shown in the screenshots will only be shown while a h264 file is actually being played.

You will need to look for a reg hack for the AGP tab but making sure that fast-writes are enabled has helped me with some video problems.

EDIT: I hope you can see the attachments, it says something about "appending approval" next to them :(

6600GT AGP work fine.

first at all:

PureVideo 1.02-196
ttp://download.nvidia.com/Windows/dvd_decoder/1.02-196/NVIDIA_PureVideo_Decoder_Trial_1.02-196.exe

Driver 91.31:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/windows/91.31/91.31_winxp2kmce_international_whql.exe

PowerDVD TRIAL!!:(only work for me the trial version):

http://download.cyberlink.com/ftpdload/trial/PowerDVD_Trial.exe

I have a lot of problems with H264 and pure video. Only way to use was with powerDVD7 trial. Nero show time 3 nothing, and WinDVD7 nothing

The purevideo decoder is only an MPEG-2 decoder not H264 (as already mentioned). Nvidia's marketing is just confusing people.

Nero Showtime demo should work but it isn't very fast anyway. And you need a special version:
http://www.nero.com/enu/NVidia.php

I don't think WinDVD supports H264 DXVA.