Trusted Testers ?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sirber
I have no clue on what snail mail is, and I have no intention of using it. This thing is by far too troublesome. Until this change, count me off. "Snail mail" ie: the old fashioned postal system!

It's how I send my test disc's out to other forum members ;)


Cheers

[ChronoCross]

It's only reasonable that someone chosen as a tester should be willing to provide some type of legal assurance that they will not leak it. Snail mail isn't all that expensive to send a simple legal document.

[LigH]

@ bobo:

If the verification process will include "snail mail", please allow the testers to send the letters to a local branch office near their location, if possible; I guess it would usually be quite expensive to send a letter from one continent to another...

[bobololo]

Originally posted by LigH
@ bobo:

If the verification process will include "snail mail", please allow the testers to send the letters to a local branch office near their location, if possible; I guess it would usually be quite expensive to send a letter from one continent to another...

I just check, sending a 20g letter from France to any country worldwide costs 0.90€. Even it may be a little more expensive in other countries, I guess everyone can afford to spend that amount, no ?

[bobololo]

Originally posted by Sirber
I have no clue on what snail mail is, and I have no intention of using it. This thing is by far too troublesome. Until this change, count me off.

http://www.postescanada.ca/

It will cost you 1.45$ (CA) for sending back to us the signed NDA if you take part to the test :)

OT: hehe I could start a worldwide stamps collection with that beta ;)

[IgorC]

What kind of mail it´s supposed to be send. Simple,fast or another ..?
Simple mail <= 20gr. to any country of Europe from Argentina cost 4,5 pesos (aprox. 1,5u$). I think it´s less o more same price for whole Latin America.

[Sirber]

Originally posted by bobololo
http://www.postescanada.ca/

It will cost you 1.45$ (CA) for sending back to us the signed NDA if you take part to the test :)

OT: hehe I could start a worldwide stamps collection with that beta ;)
I'll pass, thanks.

[DeeGee]

The snailmail NDA sounds quite reasonable method for this beta-testing. Sending one mail from anywhere to anywhere in the planet shouldn't be very expensive.

[vio_man]

It doesn't seems right. Users are beta testing your software and they still have to spend money? That isn't fair.

[LigH]

@ vio_man:

The last time, we received a full registration code for free - that's worth a letter, in my opinion.

And - being a German myself, I may have an advantage:

Nero AG
Im Stöckmädle 18
76307 KARLSBAD
GERMANY

Or where is the "beta tester department" located?

[Sirber]

Originally posted by LigH
The last time, we received a full registration code for free - that's worth a letter, in my opinion.full registration code? :confused:

[IgorC]

NDA will guarantee safety of beta. But what garanty testers will have that their personal information won't be disclosed? If there any organization wich will control it or any document?

[Sagittaire]

and excellent Siemssem hardware player (99$)

but a good tester like to test new codec just for fun and not for money ... lol

[bond]

Originally posted by IgorC
NDA will guarantee safety of beta. But what garanty testers will have that their personal information won't be disclosed? If there any organization wich will control it or any document? i think this uncertainty can only be solved when ateme signs a nda themselves which ensures that they dont spread any info and sends it to us!

[bobololo]

@LigH: we're located in France.

@IgorC: Lol, no ateme doesn't have a spam or email list service dept ;) Obviously all testers info won't be disclosed.

@vio_man: Try to think about everything involved by both testers and us in such a beta test. It would be quite unfair to sum all by thinking "testers are doing tests for us and they need to pay for it !".

[dragongodz]

But what garanty testers will have that their personal information won't be disclosed? If there any organization wich will control it or any document?
which is why i said
there would also be a privacy agreement that peoples names and addresses would not be used for anything outside of the test or divulged to any third party etc etc etc.
back on page 5 aswell. in this day and age peoples privacy has become very important and not for nefarious reasons.

Doom9 also raises a point i tried to make earlier
A potential moderator is usually suggested by an existing moderator, and they qualify much more by their actions than by offering their services. I figure it wouldn't be much different for beta testers.
in that the type of people long time members are can sometimes be gleaned from their actions on this forum. this should provide a good starting point in the very least.

those that scream out "me me" usually have a different agenda.
Doom9 - thats sounds a little jaded doesnt it mate ? i do know what you mean though. :)

[Sirber]

Some people who say "me me" might actually do a great job and be successfull in what they do. It's all about judgement and trust.

[dragongodz]

It's all about judgement and trust.
i agree. i mean i am no fan of NDA's to start with and its a pity that the first test had a leak which seems to have thrown Ateme in to a fear of it happening again so bad. a bit more caution should really be all thats needed because the majority of long time members should be trustworthy. well just have to wait and see what happens.

[vahegan]

Originally posted by Doom9
I've been playing games while encoding in the background.. even did that when I was encoding for the codec comparison. While encoding, I finished NFSU2 and played through Half Life 2.
Very strange. Whenever I play any game during the encoding in Recode, or use the overlay, the resulting .mp4 file is corrupted and has a weird size - something like 15Mb, and is not playable. This is the reason that I am not using recode recently despite the excellent quality of its output - if my child plays a game in the morning the results of a full night's encoding are lost

[Andrey]

>>snail mail
Guys, what the hell is a "snail mail" ? :mad:

[slavickas]

Originally posted by Andrey
>>snail mail
Guys, what the hell is a "snail mail" ? :mad:
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/snailmail.html ,second goole's result, btw SeeMoreDigital already explained to Sirber about it
so how about s34rch? :devil:

[Razorblade2000]

You could also try google.com and search for:

define: snail mail

Works like a charm

[Sergei_Esenin]

Originally posted by vahegan
Very strange. Whenever I play any game during the encoding in Recode, or use the overlay, the resulting .mp4 file is corrupted and has a weird size - something like 15Mb, and is not playable. This is the reason that I am not using recode recently despite the excellent quality of its output - if my child plays a game in the morning the results of a full night's encoding are lost

Not to get too OT, but I had the same thing happen when playing Q3 while Nero Recode was running. And for some reason Recode kept trying to crop my 768x576 files which have no letterboxing, which is very annoying; but I digress...

As for complaints about maybe having to send an NDA by real mail, I'm surprised by the negative reaction from some. International letter post is usually very cheap, less than $1 in most places. There is very real reason to worry about a leak. Most beta testers for most big software projects usually sign NDAs. And testing the latest Ateme encoder would be a nice privilege since it's most likely best-in-class. Taken altogether, those make a very good case for why an NDA shouldn't bother you. Consider yourself lucky if you're a "chosen one" instead of worrying about the minor inconvenience of sending back a signed NDA. Heck, I'd send the company my darned credit card number and photo ID for the privilege, yet some are complaining? That's looking a gift horse in the mouth...

Just my opinion though. :D

[Andrey]

>>SeeMoreDigital already explained to Sirber about it
Didn't saw it, sorry.
>>You could also try google.com and search for:
Heh. I'm rather old school man - never search the net when seeking something not related to computers :)
Not because I do not want to, it simply not going into my head. :(

Yep, mail isn't a bad idea...

[Mug Funky]

[OT]
andrey: google is useful for anything you want to know. i often use it to get postal codes, or the number for the local pizza shop, or a road map so i can find a place in fitzroy when i forgot my melway... etc. welcome to teh intarweb :)

[Sharktooth]

pizza shops? and you use google for that? i have 3 of them close enaugh to order a pizza by just opening one of my house windows and ask for it...

[bill_baroud]

:eek: you're crazy, the window is too far away from the desk ! and you even have to stand up ! :D

[Soulhunter]

Originally posted by Sharktooth

i have 3 of them close enaugh to order a pizza by just opening one of my house windows and ask for it...

Uhm, seriously ???

Then you live in Paradise... :o

*feels the need to move to pizzaland*


Bye

[Joe Fenton]

Originally posted by Soulhunter
Uhm, seriously ???

Then you live in Paradise... :o

*feels the need to move to pizzaland*


Bye

There's a Pizza Hut less than a mile from my house, but I make my own pizzas. I learned from my brother, who learned from Pizza Hut. :)

[plonk420]

*sighs* complaining about spend your own money? this is like less than a hamburger!

mac (or is it windows) "beta testers" spend at LEAST $100 a year... no to mention render one of their computers useless (or at least a portion of one) for mission-critical useage...

this requirement is such a small price to pay for testing something as cool (IMO) as bleeding edge next-gen compression codecs...

edit: my only issue is that the people i trust are not from this board... nobody would know my IRC friends...

[*.mp4 guy]

If you wave liability for the people refering other people it wont work aswell because there is less incentive to see if someone is really trustworthy. I think a compromise, something like the following would work better.

-Initial trusted testers can give out 3 recomendations.
-2 recomendations are required for another tester to become trusted.
-Each generation of trusted testers gets one less referal to hand out.
-If you refer two people who are untrustworthy you get cut.
-if 3 of your referals eventualy lead to an untrustworty person you are cut

That said It would be fun to get something to put up against X.264, but I am easily detered by long waits and hassles. I Sugest that you have the testers email you an adress, then you mail them a cd; I wouldn't mind giving out my adress, but finding the time and the motivation to mess around with snail mail and stamps would be a drag. I would much rather spend that time beta testing or sleaping.

[DeathTheSheep]

No, no no. It all depends on what KIND of pizza you like, and then what brand. I don't much like Pizza Hut, though... Have you ever tried the frozen pizza "Frecheta Brick Oven" or something like that? It's good. Really good.

[LordRPI]

Originally posted by Soulhunter
Uhm, seriously ???

Then you live in Paradise... :o

*feels the need to move to pizzaland*


Bye

$1 Coronas in Mexico 20 miles from my apartment :)

[DeathTheSheep]

And to think... I just had pizza. Hmm....

I wonder if you could still get to be a tester if
1. You weren't part of the original test team
2. Nobody really voted for you (maybe)

but

1. You are a tested-and-true codec enthusiast
2. You are not a newbie
3. You have performed OK tests in the past (remember the anime codec test?)

I wonder if there is any hope for me... Or maybe I'll just have people vote for me... those who haven't already expended their votes, lol...

[Sharktooth]

OT: Where's the sheep avatar?!?

[DeathTheSheep]

Heh, I wanted a change... I thought everybody hated it. How do you like the new one? I wish I could change my username to LifeAura now... Notice how the sig., the avatar, even the writing style changed?

Yes, I'm trying somethin' new... ah... I wonder, is this a good thing for you guyz? Or is the old one better?

[Sharktooth]

I prefer the old dead grass style but... hey it's your own biz:)

[DeathTheSheep]

Hehe, maybe I should flip your avatar over the x axis while inverting the color, use it as mine, and call myself "Death The Shark."

But that was corny, that whole death thing... Maybe next week, lol

j/k

[Sirber]

Dead grass gave you a style... :cool:

[jfehr]

I don't think anyone here knows me, since I'm not that active, but I'd be willing to, for example, fax a copy of my drivers license. Or even my passport. (I'd have to trust you as much as you trust me then I guess. :)

John

[LigH]

So then, hurry up to send a PM to 'bobololo' if you are interrested, as written in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94634)...

[jfehr]

Yup. Already did. I just did it again with my fax-your-ID offer in case he's not following this thread.

John

Originally posted by LigH
So then, hurry up to send a PM to 'bobololo' if you are interrested, as written in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94634)...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by jfehr
Yup. Already did. I just did it again with my fax-your-ID offer in case he's not following this thread. It looks like you've made it onto Bobololo's preliminary list of volunteers (http://pub.ateme.net/~tsouthiv/beta2.txt). Which is a good start :)


Good luck!

[Sigmatador]

Should the new volunteers begin their election campaign? :D

[LiFe]

Hmm, and so begins the popularity contest.

I know noone knows me, but I'd apprieciate 2 votes.

Feel free to check out my msg history and read up on me.
I was a member of Helix Community (Lifers) when it began and have extensive experience in the use of Real's products since G2, which is quite a few years ago...

AVC and nero's tools in particular represent the solution I'm looking for: Cutting edge compression in a new age container and 5.1 support. They're one up on Real's tools because it's an open standard. With Real's products I was always battling with the lack of third party utils to make customisations.

Thanks.

[Sirber]

This is not a popularity contest, people basicly vote for people they know. It's a "trust contest" :S.

[LiFe]

I beleive you just made my point. It's a popularity contest.

[jfehr]

On that note, for anyone that's thinking of voting for me...

I never inhaled!

Originally posted by LiFe
I beleive you just made my point. It's a popularity contest.

[woah!]

so you want free testers to test an encoder that you will make very good money from afterwards, but dont want those testers to leak it. why not offer these testers some incentives that would enhance their effort not to leak it, instead of thinking of ways like NDA's/Firing them?

beta's are just that beta's ...

[eb]

In basic volunteerers for free can work harder and full with new ideas than heavy paid professionals.