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[Mystiqq]

I see. What i did was i loaded the project where i had everything else setuped except the chapters, which i did by using the GUI, loaded the chapters and started the muxing. I did the same thing now, except i saved after i imported the chapters but result is the same.

I mean, shouldnt IFOedit/PGCedit show if theres more than one cell? Because every program that ive used only show up that one cell, the first chapter/intro one. If the cells are created, where are they? How can i "utilize" them?

Im little bit lost with this, any help is appreciated.

EDIT:
I assume if i had the programs "avaitable", i could create the actual chaptering in PGCedit/PGC editor->Edit Chapter (PTT) table? Problem i see is that i dont know how to get to these cells/programs that doesnt seem to exist.

EDIT2:

Ok, i had time to test again and now i started from scratch and made new project and now the chapters are being created correctly.

Thanks! :)

[Samyucca]

If you imported the chapter list after saving the project the PGC will not have the correct statements (saving the project causes the automatic generation of needed structures like the PGC, once created they are never changed).

Thank you for that important info - I spent hours battling with muxman because of that.

So if I have already loaded chapters and saved the file, and then want to add/modify the chapters, is it sufficient to save the mxp under another name, or do I have to create the entire mxp from scratch?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi mpucoder,

First up... I have not done much work with subtitles.

However, earlier today I used DVD Decrypter in "Stream Processing" mode to rip a short chapter from a DVD and got a whole bunch of files including several xxxxxx.SUB streams.

It does not look as though MuxMan supports such streams. Is there a reason for this?


Cheers

[EpheMeroN]

Is it true that MuxMan can import chapters? If so, what format? I encoded an MPEG-2 file with HC Encoder, and although it has no chapters as of now, I'd like to manually make them myself so I can author them with MuxMan.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Is it true that MuxMan can import chapters? If so, what format? I encoded an MPEG-2 file with HC Encoder, and although it has no chapters as of now, I'd like to manually make them myself so I can author them with MuxMan.Chapters times/positions need to be worked out in frame number format... ie: 90 seconds for PAL would be 90 x 25fps = 2250 frames and for NTSC would be 90 x 30fps = 2770 frames... That said I'm not sure whather NTSC needs to be calculated at 29.970fps.

Either way, your frame number values should be expressed in list and saved as text (.txt) file: -1410
2250
3220
3610
4345
4605
5240
6665
7980
8650
10265Each chapter will be accurate to the nearest I frame...


Cheers

[EpheMeroN]

Perfect! I can just scroll through the file in VDubMod and jot down the frame numbers into a text file now. Where in MuxMan do I load this chapter text file? Or do I just put it in the same dir that has the video?

[SeeMoreDigital]

...Where in MuxMan do I load this chapter text file? Or do I just put it in the same dir that has the video?http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7931/muxmanchapterimport1jk.png

Cheers

[mpucoder]

Hi mpucoder,
It does not look as though MuxMan supports such streams. Is there a reason for this?

There are hundreds of subtitle file formats, supporting them all would be impossible. Muxman adopted the .sst file (and bmp's) from Scenarist due to its popularity, and the .sup file from IfoEdit due to its simplicity. These are both graphic formats, which allows me to postpone development of subpicture rendering and subtitle generation from text.

[EpheMeroN]

When I import a *.m2v video file, does MuxMan auto-select the proper options; i.e. PS, LB, BOTH? My video is 720x480 NTSC Widescreen.

[goonix]

Crap deleted...

[Matthew]

Might as well remark on something I noticed the other day re subtitles.

Muxing with SUP is really quick, but using sst/bmp is much slower. It's faster to creater the SUPs from the bmps first using an external tool (e.g. DVDSupEncode) and then mux with those. But due to palette issues this approach wasn't feasible.

So just a wild stab, would it be better for MuxMan to generate SUPs for sst input?

[mpucoder]

@goonix and EpheMeroN: MuxMan automatically selects the most versatile mode that the video supports.
For 4:3 video there is only the 4:3 mode.
For 16:9 video LB is selected for 4:3 displays.
For 4:3P/S video MuxMan selects "both".
You may change the display modes for 16:9 or 4:3P/S video using the radio buttons. You cannot override the display modes using mxp, since if the mode is inappropriate (as any 16:9 mode for 4:3 video is) it is ignored. See the bottom of this page (http://www.mpucoder.com/Muxman/mxp/segment.html)

@Matthew - if everyone interpretted .sst correctly there would be no palette issues as the real problem is the color mapping and naming. Scenarist didn't help by calling the background color4 in .scp files, as its pixel value is 0. Same goes for pattern (color3, pixel value 1), E1, and E2.
Generating sups is not the answer, it's just that sups are precompiled.

[Matthew]

Generating sups is not the answer, it's just that sups are precompiled.

The only thing I was asking was whether it would result in faster muxing :)

I'd just use SUP to begin with, but I need to use sst so I can resize the bitmaps and adjust the timecodes, to account for NTSC<->PAL.

Oh, and hint http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=100059 :D

[mpucoder]

Yes, the multiplex would go faster because when bmp's are used they are converted as needed during the mux. Converting prior to the mux, as Scenarist does, actually takes longer, but can be done in the background when using the GUI. I have thought of including an option, but first I want to get a helper thread working.
Still, if you are working from demuxed sources it is better to demux to sup, this is what the Big3 now does when using MuxMan. Besides being faster .sup preserves any effects (fade, wipe, or scroll).

[Matthew]

I see. Thanks for the response :)

I do use SUP where possible (NTSC->NTSC or PAL->PAL), but AFAIK there's no way to resize SUPs and adjust their timings, so I'm stuck with sst/bmp.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I guess with Lightning UK not being here anymore I don't suppose we will find out why he elected to extract the subtitles to an .SUB format?


Cheers

[E-Male]

I see. Thanks for the response :)

I do use SUP where possible (NTSC->NTSC or PAL->PAL), but AFAIK there's no way to resize SUPs and adjust their timings, so I'm stuck with sst/bmp.
i'm working on sup editing atm (c# practise)
fixing the timing should soon work
resizing is a more difficult matter as i'm still looking into the graphic-format of sup

[goonix]

@mpucoder and EpheMeroN
Thanks for correcting my wrong statement, mpucoder.

The 16:9 flag is encoded in the mpeg stream and MuxMan knows the format of course.

If this flag is set wrongly for some reasons (got it sometimes in DVB-T mpeg files), you can use several programs to correct it.
I prefer DVD Patcher for correcting the flag, because it is very fast. http://www.wincesoft.de/DVDPatcher_v106.zip

goonix

[Matthew]

i'm working on sup editing atm (c# practise)
fixing the timing should soon work
resizing is a more difficult matter as i'm still looking into the graphic-format of sup

That's sounds interesting :) With the resizing maybe you'll end up having to re-create the SUP.

If you get it going I hope you provide some kind of cli support (even if it's in the form of some sort of saved macro) :)

[E-Male]

i never really got into GUI-programming
so all i do is either CLI or a plug-in
but i got some other things to do first the next weeks

[E-Male]

could someone post 2 easy example MXP-files, please?

one that just takes one video and two audio tracks and creates a dvd with no menu, just starting the movie

and one which additionally adds a SUP file and configures the sub-colors

thx a lot in advance

[Trahald]

I guess with Lightning UK not being here anymore I don't suppose we will find out why he elected to extract the subtitles to an .SUB format?

the DD .sub is just a raw sub stream .. at least iirc.. he chose it cause... well.. its what was there.. there is no conversion.. just raw data given an extension.

[mpucoder]

E-Male: You can create those .mxp files yourself by using the GUI and saving the project.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks for the information Trahald,

Sorry but I just have to ask.... Are you aware of any tools that can make use of this RAW subtitle data stream?


Cheers

[EpheMeroN]

When I make a chapter file and import it into MuxMan, if my first chapter is as an example, frame #1100, would the dvd skip frames 0-1099 and start on frame 1100 since that will be considered chapter 1?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Good question!

Why not try it with a short test clip/mux.... and if you have a problem, try again starting with frame number "0" in your frame list...


Cheers

[EpheMeroN]

I found out that MuxMan automatically assigns Chapter #1 to frame 0 by default when you import a chapter list, regardless of where it starts. Good to know now!

[SeeMoreDigital]

I found out that MuxMan automatically assigns Chapter #1 to frame 0 by default when you import a chapter list, regardless of where it starts. Good to know now!Actually, it's the same situation when creating chapters for MPEG-4 streams within the MP4 container ;)

That said, one of the benifits of creating chapter points for MP4 container is they are accurate to "the frame", not the nearest "I-frame".... Even when muxing MPEG-2 (or MPEG-1) video streams into MP4.


Cheers

[jeanl]

mpucoder,
I am using muxman to create still shots with background audio (that I intend to use in between chapters, as they used to do dialogs in silent movies). I'm muxing an ac3 snippet (a few seconds) with a bmp. So far so good. The problem is that (stupid) TMPGenc DVD Author, when importing the resulting VOB, gets confused because there's only 1 I-frame, followed by a bunch of ac3 audio packs, and only retains the I-frame, and 1 audio pack.
Of course, the result is disappointing! (the still lasts 1 frame!).
Is there a way to coherce muxman to repeat the video frame alongside the audio?
If not, what's a good solution to create a still shot with background audio that's muxed as a motion shot (i.e. with many identical video frames, instead of a single I-frame followed by many audio packs)?
My next best solution at this point it to go back and replace the cell with the one created by muxman after the fact, using vobblanker. But I'd rather not have to do that...
Next next best solution is to use a better program than TMPGenc DVD Author, I know, I know...
Jeanl

[Matthew]

If not, what's a good solution to create a still shot with background audio that's muxed as a motion shot (i.e. with many identical video frames, instead of a single I-frame followed by many audio packs)?

http://www.avisynth.org/Loop + a video encoder that supports avs.

[jeanl]

OK thanks, HC will do (that's the encoder I normally use).
Thanks,
Jeanl

[bourtzovlakas]

Since the Muxman 0.16 has been released to the members of the MPUCoder site, can we expect a free release of Muxman 0.15??

[laserfan]

I have a general question I think you experts can help me with, and this thread/program deserve a bump anyway:

Am I right in assuming that most-if-not-all DVD authoring programs, if capable of importing & using ordinary MPEG2 files (as opposed to elementary streams), must re-multiplex the video and audio again to create VOBs & the titleset?

I always thought this was the case, and in particular that low-end DVD authoring programs typically do NOT do this well (re-mux) resulting in sync errors & whatnot.

And... don't MPEG2 files and VOB files differ (albeit slightly) by virtue of the need in VOB files for other types of streams (like subtitles) and navigational information?

TIA for any feedback. I don't pretend to understand how this stuff works but as a user I have tried a lot of programs and like to think I've picked-up a few glimmers of knowledge along the way, but who knows... :p

[E-Male]

since i don't get any answere in the burning forum:

i'm working on a 1-click dvb to dvd front-end (still in planing stage due to damn real-life)

the final steps would be (besides possibly some ifo and header patching after muxman is done):

-creating a movie-only dvd-folder with muxman
-putting it into an iso with mkisofs using only the -dvd-video option (well, and -V and -o of course)
-and burning it with imgburn

would the result be a correct disc including the 32k gabs between ifo and bup files?

[EpheMeroN]

I am making a backup on some dvds I own, and want to do simple backups by just re-encoding the main movie only, keeping the 5.1 audio, and director commentary, subs, and chapter points. I am ripping the dvd to hdd still using DVD Decrypter. Is there a simple way to export the chapters from DVD Decrypter to a text file that I can use with MuxMan? I know MuxMan supports chapter points via text files.

[Matthew]

@EpheMeroN

I use IFOUpdate at the command-line to get the chapters in maestro format:
ifoupdate.exe -oH:\test\VOBS\VTS_1_0.IFO -mS -cH:\test -eM

Then I delete the first couple of lines (they contain no timecodes) to get the list I use.

Another option is chapter-x-tracter. By default it won't include the last chapter in the list if it is really short.

[E-Male]

i think the ifoedit celltimes format that can be selected in dvddecrypter (and other tools) works fine in muxman

[David007]

Hello!

I'm new here and I have just started to use the program MuxMan. It's a very good program, but I have some problems. I'd like to now, if it is possible to combine letterbox and wide versions of subtitles into one stream (Track).

I have found this explanation:

If you want to keep the original subtitles, load them in the correct order (you can tell the order by the filename: Subpictures_20.sup is the first, Subpictures_21.sup is the second, and so on). If you created 2 streams for a subtitle, add the wide version first and click on wide button. Then for the next stream, add the letterbox
version and click on LB button. Make sure that the languages of both streams are the same.

If I follow the explanation and do as it says, it doesnt work. I have upload the image, which shows, how I did this.

http://forum.doom9.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=4905

Please, help me.

[mpucoder]

After loading and configuring the wide stream click on the radio button "2" to load and configure the second stream. What you did was replace Subpictures_20.sup with Subpictures_21.sup (and then make it both wide and LB)

[David007]

Thank you very much for the answer. It's working. :-)

[E-Male]

sorry for re-asking
but i'd really like to know if muxman creates ifo with the correct 32k gaps
or if i have to use pgcedit after muxing

[mpucoder]

It does not, as this causes problems with Nero. The 32K gap is not mandatory, just recommended for error resilience.

[kaidoko]

After i demux a movie (16:9) with PGCDemux, added 2 subtitles and Mux it again with MuxMan, in PC everything is correct, but when I watch this movie with DVD player in my TV (4:3), the picture is in incorrect format: it is'nt 16:9 nor 4:3 but somewhere meanwhile (larger than 16:9, but smaller than 4:3) and subtitles lower edge are'nt visible. What's the problem, I am forgotten something.

[prim1842]

Hi, i have a problem when i author a dvd with Muxman v0.14g or IFOEdit. On some models of dvd players (Toshiba, Pioneer, and others) the subs doesn't appear or the first line of subs appear and then it turns out green and distorted and after that it dissapears. I have tested with different brands of dvd media (including verbatim and ridata) and nothing. The strange thing is on some others players (jWin, Philips) and on PowerDVD on the computer, the disks works perfectly, and the subs appears correctly

If i author the same dvd with Scenarist v2.6 the subs appears correctly on ANY dvd player i tested. Here's what i do for making subs compatible with Muxman/IFOEdit:
1) I render my .srt subs on MaestroSBT v2.4.3.5
2) Transform .SON to .Sub on SON2VobSub v1.0
3) Transform .Sub to .SUP on SubToSup v0.9 Beta

When i author on Scenarist i render my subs on MaestroSBT and export then on .SST.

I prefer to author on muxman instead of Scenarist because the last one is slower.

Thanks!!!

[Pudah]

The MediaChance web site indicates that their DVD Menu Studio program can export to Scenarist by means of a Scenarist script and BMP files (http://www.mediachance.com/dvdmenu/Help/scenarist.htm). Since MuxMan seems to have been built with a great deal of Scenarist compatibility, I was wondering if these files could be used with MuxMan to create menus. Would the script be used in a manner similar to an .mxp file thru the Load Project option on the File menu in Muxman?

[mpucoder]

MuxMan can read most Scenarist scripts, just import it the same way as a MuxMan script. The name doesn't matter since the syntax of the script is used to tell which kind it is, but Scenarist scripts usually have the .scp extension.

[Pudah]

Since DVD Menu Studio has a 30 trial, I decided to download it and try it out with MuxMan.

I created a very simple menu and exported the bitmaps and Scenarist script. I then loaded the script file into MuxMan. When I start the mux process by clicking the START button, MuxMan begins to do its thing, but then crashes with a This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down error message. The crash is so severe that I cannot close the error message dialog. The three finger salute won't even close it. Am forced to reboot.

This happens with both 0.14g and 0.16.1 versions of MuxMan. I ran it on an old Win98SE box (I have done other muxes on this machine with no problems). I can try also on XP SP1 if that will help. I captured the debug details as well as the scp file created by DVD-MS and MuxMan log file and am attaching here in case it provides any helpful info.

[Pudah]

A quick follow up.... Based upon some info I saw in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=99306) I decided to take a look at the subpicture bitmap created by DVD Menu Studio in my graphics editor. I noticed that it was 24 bit color. I made a copy and reduced color depth to 4 bit. When I run that subpicture bitmap thru MuxMan, the mux completes successfully.