VobBlanker 2.0.0.2 released

[zavar]

Originally posted by blutach
Speaking of adding thing, are you considering adding the ability to strip subtitle streams as well as audio? It would be great to strip them both simultaneously.

RegardsOriginally posted by jsoto
I wasn't, but lately I'm thinking on it... Here, many DVDs have a lot (20 or more) subs, and sometimes they use as much as 100 MB, or even more...

jsoto

I'd be happy to see this happen as well. Currently I use VobBlanker to get rid of unwanted material and IfoEdit to strip subs. It would be handier if I could do it using only VobBlanker.

[zacoz]

Get quite a lot of subs on some R4 disc's here too. It would really round out VobBlanker being able to blank/strip subs.

I've got to add that I'm disappointed when I get a DVD that doesn't have at least english subs though.

[jm1647]

I'm fairly new to using the fancy programs editing DVD's. I have been using DVDDecrypter to rip, Menu Shrink on the Menus, then Vobblanker to blank and then DVD Shrink if necessary. This is the first DVD of mine that has multi angles and I just tried to backup my DVD Closer and had the following happen.
Ripped with DVDD ok, used Menu Shrink ok, loaded it up in VobBlanker and got the following "there at least one multiangle cell (UNSUPPORTED) cell. The VTS containing these cells have been marked as skip" There are at least one
ILV cell and the VTS's have been marked as skip and but may process but playback problems. This is a Region 1 DVD. Should I process it or is there something else to use or maybe just go to DVD Shrink?


Thanks

[jeanl]

vobblanker can't blank/cut multi angle PGCs. It all depends on what you're trying to do. You can blank a lot of stuff in PgcEdit (whole titlesets) whether they're multiangle or not, you can also skip playback on just about anything (without blanking, i.e. without reclaiming the space, except in subsequent DVD Shrink processing)...
I suspect that vobblanker is overly cautious, in that it tries to prevent you from processing a multi-angle PGC, because in some cases (not all cases) some operations would break the playback. But I think you can try your luck and process anyway... It will depend on what you're trying to do...

jeanl

[jm1647]

Hi jeanl - Lil Danny says Hi too :D I'm just trying to get this movie down to DVD5 with out a whole lot of compression to retain quality thats all.

[jeanl]

Then, do a backup with movie only + menus. It's extremely simple in PgcEdit. Load the DVD, find the movie VTS (it's the largest most likely), and use "Utilities/Blank out all title PGCs in DVD". This will pop a dialog for each VTS asking whether you want to blank it. Answer OK for all the VTS except for the movie VTS for which you should say "cancel".
You end up with all the menus, and absolutely nothing else than what's in the movie VTS (usually just the movie). No extra, no previews etc...

It's very simple, that's what I use all the time.
Jeanl

[jm1647]

After Menu Shrinking right...Is it that easy? I had looked at Pgcedit before and it scared me :-). I just got blutach's new guide. I'm gonna have to try to use it more?

I Still can't crack the MenuShrink Top 10.

Thanks jeanl

Hi Ho..Hi Ho....

[CoNS]

jsoto, I can't remember if I have suggested this before, but I have a (small?) request: When using the Replace PGC function in VobBlanker, could you add an option to copy the subtitle colours (and maybe also the entire subtitle info about number of streams, languages etc.) from the replacement PGC into the old DVD structure?

The thing is that I very often use VobBlanker's nice Replace PGC function as the last step when adding custom subtitles to a DVD, where I want to keep the menus. ATM, after replacing the PGC, I have to load PgcEdit or IfoEdit to copy the subtitle colours and correct the subtitle stream info...

Also, I second the suggestions made by other users to add a "Strip subtitle streams" function in VobBlanker, just like the "Strip audio streams" function. It would be very nice and useful to have. :)

[blutach]

The thing is that I very often use VobBlanker's nice Replace PGC function as the last step when adding custom subtitles to a DVD, where I want to keep the menus. ATM, after replacing the PGC, I have to load PgcEdit or IfoEdit to copy the subtitle colours and correct the subtitle stream info...I would question whether it is correct to replace the subtitle stream info - the DVD's menus are expecting to find a certain subtitle stream at postion x and if you changed all this, you'd need ot change the menu.

This really is a job for you manually to do. As for copying the PGCs colours, are they not retained as per the original PGC (which is correct)?

Regards

[jsoto]

About subs, I think blutach is correct, even more, there can be more than one PGC in the VTS.....so I'm not going to do nothing.
In any case, development is currently stopped. Lately I'm unable to find time.....

Multiangle:
Using "process in input folder" and skipping the multiangle PGCs, Vobblanker is able to process the DVD (blank/replace, etc, other PGCs in other VTSs). What VobBlanker is unable to do is to process the multiangle VTS

jsoto

[jm1647]

jsoto - the DVD with multi angles was "Closer" R1. I ripped it with DVDD without Multi angle processing then with multiangle processing retaining angle 1. For both rips with everything it had marked skip the output was down to 19MB from over 7GB.I did have it going to a seperate folder and not "processs in input folder" though.
I tried PGCedit on it after the retain angle 1 rip and it stated it couldn't do it and came up wth "CSS Protection" Pgcedit did do it when I went back and unchecked multiangle processing.

[jsoto]

For both rips with everything it had marked skip the output was down to 19MB from over 7GB.I did have it going to a seperate folder and not "processs in input folder" though.
I think you do not understand well how VobBlanker works

A) Processing to a different output folder:
- All VTS marked as SKIP should be copied manually (and previously) to the destination folder. In this way, VobBlanker processing is OK, including VTS sectors adjustments . If you copy the skipped VTS after, you need to adjust the VTS sectors (loading the DVD in pgcEdit or IFOEdit)

B) Using input folder, the skipped VTSs are untouched, and the originals of the processed ones are saved to a backup folder. In the input folder you will have the final compilation

In both cases, the amount of MB "To be processed" is reflected in the GUI, and shows how much MBs are going to be copied/processed. Skipped VTSs are not copied, only moved, and it does not take time.

jsoto

[jm1647]

jsoto about Vobblanker - you are right it is a new program to me.Thanks for the tips!!! I am new to the fancy stuff with DVD's. I have used VB for blanking out on a bunch of my dvd's but this "Closer" was the first one to give me trouble.

I still have a whole bunch to learn....gettin' a liitle bit each day thanks to the forums, mods and authors like you!

Thanks Again

[Wheelie4]

Then, do a backup with movie only + menus. It's extremely simple in PgcEdit. Load the DVD, find the movie VTS (it's the largest most likely), and use "Utilities/Blank out all title PGCs in DVD". This will pop a dialog for each VTS asking whether you want to blank it. Answer OK for all the VTS except for the movie VTS for which you should say "cancel".
You end up with all the menus, and absolutely nothing else than what's in the movie VTS (usually just the movie). No extra, no previews etc...

It's very simple, that's what I use all the time.
Jeanl
I just wanted to say thank you for that tip. :D Any backup I make is just for the movie only + menu (which I normaly do in DRMP). I rarely ever want anything else. And so far before this tip, the only thing I was capable of doing in pgcedit was make an iso with the 32k gap. Now thanks to you I can do two things with pgcedit (movie only + menu being my major need). Now to learn how to blank out all the VMGM's under VMG in pgcedit which I always do in DMRP or VobBlanker.

[jeanl]

I just wanted to say thank you for that tip. :D

You're welcome! :)

Now to learn how to blank out all the VMGM's under VMG in pgcedit which I always do in DMRP or VobBlanker.
Same idea. Select any PGC in the VMGM on the left panel, right-click and chose "Blank out all menu PGCs". This will do it for you.
Or, you can use MenuShrink to blank the useless stuff (warnings etc) and keep the functional menus...
jeanl

[Wheelie4]

You're welcome! :)

Same idea. Select any PGC in the VMGM on the left panel, right-click and chose "Blank out all menu PGCs". This will do it for you.
Or, you can use MenuShrink to blank the useless stuff (warnings etc) and keep the functional menus...
jeanl
And it's the Video Manager Section your refering to right? The section in the image below?

http://img299.echo.cx/img299/9421/vmg13na.th.jpg (http://img299.echo.cx/my.php?image=vmg13na.jpg)

And it won't affect anything in the VTSM's (Video Titleset Managers) right? If so I can blank all 8 of VMGM's in the VMG and Kill PGC Playback of each 8 of those VMGM's to bypass all of them during playback?

[jeanl]

Yes, it's what you show in your pic.
It's never 100% safe if there are useful menus in there, and sometimes there are (for example aspect ratio menus). In other words, if your standard navigation will never go through these menus (for example, parental management) or if the menus are "fake" (i.e. FBI warnings with buttons that have NOP commands associated to them) then blanking is safe. If not, playback could be broken...
That's why unless I have a good reason to do so, I don't blank the VMGM, I just bypass the titles I don't want using PgcEdit's trace function. One good reason would be a very large VIDEO_TS.VOB file, with stuff I really don't want.
But I do use MenuShrink systematically on my menus, so anything that's large and that's not a menu in the video manager is squeeshed down.
To be precise, my work flow is:
- Drag/drop in menushrink.
- Launch PgcEdit from it, blank all the VTST except the movie.
- Run the trace and kill playback on undesirable stuff.
- Save PgcEdit, then go back to MenuShrink and Process.
- Test in PowerDVD (from MenuShrink)
- Burn.

Jeanl

[Wheelie4]

Kewl, Thanks alot. I'll try those steps. I haven't actually used MenuShrink yet since I like motion menu's and I still haven't figured out how to use pgcedits trace feature yet. Each time I've tried starting a trace I imediately get lost LOL. :D I always test my results in Mark's Tray DVD Player. ;)

[jeanl]

Mark's Tray DVD Player is good too. You can configure MenuShrink to launch it and open your DVD with one of the tool buttons... Anyway, enough self promotion! :D
jeanl

[Wheelie4]

You can go right ahead a self promotion. :D I tested menushrink a couple times and totally respect it's ability. I just haven't run accross the need to shrink a menu yet to fit the movies I've done to one dvd-r. I don't do many backups like most here do. I'm a casual backer upper. ;) Still I appreciate the help.

[blutach]

Wheelie - go do Godzilla or Mulholland Drive and see the true power of the MenuShrink force!

Regards

[Wheelie4]

Thanks blutach. I don't have either of those but if I ever have them available I'll sure try menushrink with them. LOL 90% of My Collection (http://www.intervocative.com/dvdcollection.aspx/Wheelie) is mindless horror films and usually aren't large sizes.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

Jsoto - Are you planing to suport processing of multiangle PGC´s ? Like removing the angles and adjustind the pointers like Ifoedit ?

[jsoto]

No, it wasn't in my plans, but why not?
To remove the angles keeping only one is not difficult. This will be useful in movies like starwars, closer.....
But currently I'm very busy... may be in July/August...

jsoto

[jinjin_jp]

Hello.

If possible,I wish the function of blank cells. (and blank PGC,too)
Now in the case of reused cell, when set blank the cell(V/C-Id:3/1) at PGC_1 only, the scene of this cell can't replay in PGC_2.
On the other hand, when set blank the cell(V/C-Id:2/1) at PGC_4 only, the scene of this cell can replay in PGC_1,
because the cell at PGC_4(V/C-Id:2/1) is changed new V/C-Id(V/C-Id:2/1).
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VTS overview:
PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:05:52.01 / 30 fps] (Programs: 5) (Cells: 5) (uses VOB-IDs: 3,1,2,4,8)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] : time: 00:01:14.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:14.10] *set blank
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:02.00 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:02:16.10]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] : time: 00:01:05.08 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:03:21.18]
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] : time: 00:02:29.28 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:05:51.16]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 8/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:05:52.01]
PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:01:14.25 / 30 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 3,5)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] : time: 00:01:14.10 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:14.10]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 5/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:14.25]
PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:01:02.15 / 30 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,6)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:02.00 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:02.00]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 6/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:02.15]
PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:01:05.23 / 30 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 2,7)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] : time: 00:01:05.08 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:05.08] *set blank
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 7/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:05.23]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
VTS overview:
PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:04:38.04 / 30 fps] (Programs: 5) (Cells: 5) (uses VOB-IDs: 3,1,2,4,8)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:00.15] *blank
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:01.29 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:02.14]
[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] : time: 00:01:05.07 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:02:07.21] **remain(not blank)
[Ch 04] [Pg 04] [Cell 04] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] : time: 00:02:29.28 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:37.19]
[Ch 05] [Pg 05] [Cell 05] [V/C Id: 8/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:04:38.04]
PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:01.00 / 30 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 3,5)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:00.15] **blank(against intention)
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 5/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:01.00]
PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:01:02.14 / 30 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 1,6)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:01.29 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:01.29]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 6/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:01:02.14]
PGC_4 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 4] [00:00:01.00 / 30 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 9,7)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 9/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:00.15] *blank
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 7/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps [Pos: 00:00:01.00]
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And is it feature or bug that time is different from original a little?
(for example in above, Cell_2,3 of PGC_1 and Cell_1 of PGC_3)

Thanks.

[CoNS]

About subs, I think blutach is correct, even more, there can be more than one PGC in the VTS.....so I'm not going to do nothing.But with the "Replace PGC" function in VobBlanker, you replace a PGC with a PGC, no? So there's only one colour table to copy from and to?

Anyway, I'm just asking for an option for the user to decide if the subtitle colours and/or the subtitle (and/or audio) tables should be copied in the replacement process. So it'll be the user's risk whether it works as intended, or not.

Such an option would be relevant for me (and probably many other users) every single time I use the "Replace PGC" function in VobBlanker, as I use it to copy a newly muxed PGC (with extra, custom subtitles) into the old DVD structure to keep original menus etc.

Anyway, I can see that IfoUpdate has a function to copy the subtitle colour table and also the subtitle/audio tables with info about these streams. See step 3 in this guide (http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219535). So I'm thinking of using this program for ATM instead of the manual work after replacing a PGC with VobBlanker.

However, I remember reading somewhere some time ago that IfoUpdate is not always safe to use for stuff like this. Can anyone elaborate on this?

[blutach]

Jsoto - Are you planing to suport processing of multiangle PGC´s ? Like removing the angles and adjustind the pointers like Ifoedit ?AFAIK, IfoEdit does a great job of removing these and so enable VobBlanker to do its work.

Also, when you rip with DVD Decrypter, IIRC, there is an option to take a particular angle.

Regards

[blutach]

@jinjin_jp

When you blank in PGC1, you are blanking the original cell and everything that re-uses it (i.e. the cell in PGC2, which now just refers to the newly blanked cell). This is what you would expect. If you do not wish PGC2 to be blanked, the cell needs to be copied to a whole new VCID and not re-used. This means expanding the VOB file.

However, when you blank in PGC4, you are simply saying I want the re-used cell to be blank. You have not touched the original cell. You will notice it is originally re-used in VobBlanker and VobBlanker gives it a new VCID. This is the clue as to how to get what you want.

1. Blank 3/1 in PGC2, not PGC 1 - this gives you a new VCID 10/1
2. In IfoEdit or PgcEdit change PGC1 3/1 to be 10/1 and in PGC2 change 10/1 to 3/1 (swap them over).
3. Run the lot through VobBlanker again to correct the pointers (blank nothing, just do process - this is the same as mock stripping). This should also correct the times of the PGCs, but if it doesn't open each PGC in the PGC Editor of PgcEdit and answer yes when PgcEdit warns you the times are not right. Save and you are finished.

That's it. Good luck.

Regards

[Eandtc]

Before I read through this whole thread, can you guys tell me if you've discussed this scenario:

I have a "first play" video on my home DVD that I would like to replace with a newer, better version. Is there an easy way to do this with Vobblanker?

[CoNS]

Don't double post... Sweetness already answered your question in the thread you started here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=671903#post671903

[Eandtc]

Two things:

1) I was directed to this thread.

2) She answered it after I posted here.

I am not trying to spam. Check the times of the posts.

[CoNS]

You created a new thread asking the question you had in mind. Nobody answered right away, so less than four hours later you posted the very same question again, this time in this thread... That's doubleposting to me. :sly:

Most of the users here in the IFO/VOB Editors section are very helpful, and many of them are also highly skilled. You just need to give it some time after posting a question - it WILL be answered, but it may take a few hours.

BTW, directed to this thread by who? The VobBlanker site that jeanl talked about is this one: http://jsoto.posunplugged.com/guides.htm (step 8 in the last guide)

[Eandtc]

I'll make this short, because I don't like to feed trolls.

Replace old "First Play" video with new "First Play" video.

Today, 07:31 - "I made a DVD with home video from Disneyland...."

Replace old "First Play" video with new "First Play" video.

Today, 09:40 - "use vobblanker to replace the cell or..."[/i]

(BTW, you claimed that "Nobody answered right away, so less than four hours later you posted the very same question again". Notice that this response came two hours after my initial question. Did I not tell you to look at the times? As you read on, you'll see the result this had.)

VobBlanker 2.0.0.2 released

Today, 11:17 - "Before I read through this whole thread, can you guys tell me if you've discussed this scenario"

Replace old "First Play" video with new "First Play" video.

Today, 12:51 - "do you want to replace a cell or pgc?"

Now, having been told that Vobblanker will do what I want (which was helpful, since out of 100+ programs on this site, I never would have figured it out on my own for quite some time.), I came over to this thread.

In fact, jeanl even said "There are guides on the vobblanker site, but I'm not sure they cover what you have in mind." Not only did I not find a guide for this specific purpose, but it would also explain why such info didn't come up in the searchs I made in this forum in the first place.

"BTW, directed to this thread by who?"

Let's see. jeanl mentions the Vobblanker program, and lo and behold, here's a thread discussing the Vobblanker program. Did you think it was a coincidence that my second question about my problem just happened to show up in this particular thread?

So, how about contributing to the thread, instead of nitpicking such minutia? Otherwise, let's give the "very helpful, and..highly skilled" folks a chance to respond. Okay? Thanks.

[jinjin_jp]

@blutach
Thanks for the reply.
Your method of combination with PgcEdit is very useful.
(But I wish if possible to process simply by only VobEdit.)

[blutach]

@jinjin_jp - not vobEdit, but IfoEdit can also swap over the cell refs and mock strip. But IMHO, VobBlanker is better at stripping - there are some well-known probs in IfoEdit when it strips, which Derrow is aware of but has yet to fix.

Nice to meet you - your comments have been very interesting. And please no more apologies about your English - it is perfectly underdstandable, OK? :) :) :)

Regards

[sweetness]

She answered it after I posted here.
that made my day. :p
i would probably look better as a girl too. :D
about the nickname look here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=555222#post555222).

BTW, did you replace you clip?

[Eandtc]

LOL...sorry. It was meant in the kindest way possible. :D

And no, I've not had a chance to try it yet.

[jeanl]

Eandtc, you'll find that it's extremely easy. That's probably why there isn't a guide. Vobblanker has a small learning curve, but to do what you want to do, it's really a couple clicks...
@sweetness, I got a real kick out of that too! "she"! Kind of like when surf took on calling me jeani!
jeanl

[blutach]

The way I spell my name (Leslie), many thought I was female too!

Guess jeanl, sweetness and blutach can be in the next doom9 dragfest http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif

Regards

[zacoz]

Just to keep this OT theme going, I also am frequently mistaken for female based on my name - Loren. Even had the extreme case of being booked into female dorm at Uni. Unfortunately for me they eventually found a room they could swap me out to.

[CoNS]

Humm, that's nothing! I've recently been mistaken for a troll... CoNS... Shrek... oh, well!! :)

[blutach]

Let it go CoNS. zacoz - I truly feel sorry for you mate. Getting turfed out :(

Regards

[CoNS]

Well, I am letting it go. My last post was meant to be a joke, hence the smiley, but it's still early here in Denmark, so my humour may be slightly twisted...!

EDIT: BTW, blutach, being one of them helpful AND highly skilled fellas around here, do you know the answer to the question I posted here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=671757#post671757), about IfoUpdate vs. VobBlanker's Replace PGC function?

Also, you may have missed my question in this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=666265#post666265) (and the following posts), which were directed to you some days ago about your observations regarding the mock strip feature of IfoEdit and VobBlanker respectively...?

[blutach]

I'll look into those posts CoNS.

PS You hear it is one of your countrymen who is spoofing Lightning UK! and asking for $$$. As I regard Denmark and Australia now as "relatives by marriage", this is bad news indeed.

Regards

[blutach]

Sorry CoNS - I know nothing of IfoUpdate :) Other questions answered :)

Regards

[jinjin_jp]

[color=blue]@jinjin_jp - not vobEdit, but IfoEdit can also swap over the cell refs and mock strip. But IMHO, VobBlanker is better at stripping - there are some well-known probs in IfoEdit when it strips, which Derrow is aware of but has yet to fix.
I think so, too.
But both are very useful, so usually use both case by case.

[color=blue]
Nice to meet you - your comments have been very interesting. And please no more apologies about your English - it is perfectly underdstandable, OK? :) :) :)
Thank you for saying like this.
Actually, I was irresolute about whether post to this forum.
And then, now, it thinks that it was good.

[CoNS]

PS You hear it is one of your countrymen who is spoofing Lightning UK! and asking for $$$. As I regard Denmark and Australia now as "relatives by marriage", this is bad news indeed.Hehe, well, I can't vouch for the honesty of all of my 5.4 million countrymen! What about John Raymond Travers and other Australian outlaws?! :eek:

No, I didn't hear that story. Spoofing in what way? Was the whole infringement/cease and desist/legal thing a setup in order to get money from LUK? Or is it this site (http://www.dvddecrypter.r8.org/) you mean?

[blutach]

Never heard of that particular gent. BUt please do not take my comments as negative, only that I regard us as close "cousins" now.

And yes, that's the site. It is a hoax. You can even do a whereis on the site and it leads back to a person who didn't even bother to cloak himself.

Regards

[CoNS]

Never heard of that particular gent.Some Australian massmurderer from the eighties, as far as I recall...!

But please do not take my comments as negative, only that I regard us as close "cousins" now.Lol, yeah, I realize that... Didn't know you were that much into the royal stuff, though!? Because of the queen's birthday yesterday?!! ;)

[blutach]

Must have been - we took a day off anyway, so gotta love her maj. And the whole of Oz seems to love your princess. Later.

Regards