Multi-angle/Interleaving Problems (Known Issue #12)

[wmansir]

I'm starting this thread to focus discussion on problems rebuilding IlVu DVDs. If you run into a problem with one, or have any suggestions or insights please post them here.

v1.0 RC1 and IlVu issues start HERE (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=681902#post681902).

Background:

Multi-angle or Interleaving (IlVu) is an advanced feature used on some DVDs. It is most commonly used to place two versions of a film on one disc, for instance a "theatrical" and "Director Cut". It can also be used to allow the user to flip between alternate footage for a scene, for instance a storyboard or rough cut animation and the final product.

Starting with v0.65 DVD-RB can process IlVu DVDs. The best way determine if you have such a DVD is to check the log file/Status panel after DVD-RB runs the 'prepare' step, which will let you know if they were detected by reporting "-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present".

Problems:

Possible problems include audio/video skipping, freezing or stuttering in software or hardware players. Some players may play one angle/version fine, but corrupt the others, so be sure and check them all.

Half-D1 or Convert LB->16:9 is not possible with IlVu discs at this time because the IlVu portions are not re-encoded. This may also cause video quality problems if a disc contains large sections of IlVu video.

[rayvt]

I made a pretty detailed bug report here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86096

I think that I provided enough information so that it can be easily duplicated---it's with a popular movie and the bugtracks (once you know what to look for) are easily detectable with a computer dvd player.

[wmansir]

One issue I reported in the EclPro thread was that I was having a problem with DVD-RB encountering a rebuild error when using Procoder. I thought I would repost it here for anyone following the known issues link to discuss ilvu issues. Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=562780#post562780) is what I reported then.

The error was Error #0006 during rebuild. I can confirm this was still present with at least v0.69. It only happened with procoder generated files, the CCE generated ones worked fine. In fact it was only 2 out of 80 or so .mpv files that had any problems. The rebuild would succeed if I substitued 2 CCE generated files for the problem ones without any further changes.

[wgw]

I recently tried to encode Aliens which had interleaving (theatrical and directors cut on one DVD). I stripped one of the titles with DVDStripper so that bitrate would be acceptable. The stripped source played OK with PowerDVD, but the DVDRB output would skip to the end of the movie if Next was pressed. I used DVDRB v0.67 and CCESP. On standalone players, the audio would stop playing at half of the chapter points. I had to press fast forward for half a second to get the audio back. I finally just stripped and encoded the movie only. I never tried to encode the whole disk without stripping because the bitrate would have been ridiculously low and unwatchable, so I don't know if DVDRB would have worked OK without stripping.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by wmansir

The error was Error #0006 during rebuild. I can confirm this was still present with at least v0.69. It only happened with procoder generated files, the CCE generated ones worked fine. In fact it was only 2 out of 80 or so .mpv files that had any problems. The rebuild would succeed if I substitued 2 CCE generated files for the problem ones without any further changes.

Were these 2 cells blank or very small lets say under 3 meg by any chance. I trooubleshot an error 9 problem that led directly to blank cells and this sounds very simular. Expecially when you mentioned substuting .m2v files fixed the problem. I substituded cells from the original source materal to fix the problem. See this post starting on page 6. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75168&perpage=20&pagenumber=6. I'm wondering if this all can be related.

[wmansir]

No they were sizable, I think at least 10+ MB. They appeared to be identical to the CCE output. Same framecount, attributes, etc. The only odd thing was the ProCoder output had very funky GOP patterns, but all the other ProCoder cells were pretty much the same. I couldn't figure out why those particular cells wouldn't mux.

[dannyv]

Originally posted by wmansir
No they were sizable, I think at least 10+ MB. They appeared to be identical to the CCE output. Same framecount, attributes, etc. The only odd thing was the ProCoder output had very funky GOP patterns, but all the other ProCoder cells were pretty much the same. I couldn't figure out why those particular cells wouldn't mux.

These error 9 problems I'm having are with cce 2.67 it seems 2.50 works well. I'm doing some test with some other series DVD's so lets see what happens. I'll be posting my results in the error 9 thread if you wish to keep up with my progress.

[brashquido]

Opps, missed this thread this morning :rolleyes:

I've got three angle / interleaving movies that I have keep aside waiting for the day that DVD-RB would be able to process them. I decided to give them a go with DVD-RB 0.72 and 0.73, but I've been unable to get any of them to work. The movies I tried are all PAL R4 and were all processed with no optional settings configurde (half D1, decomb, etc);

K:19 Widowmaker

DVD-RB actually fully processes this movie, but in one section of the movie in particular I noticed that the movie (both audio and video) starts to stutter and gets so bad that the movie almost completely freezes.


The Cell

Processing of this movie failed in the prepare stage with the following error;
http://www.it-hq.org/uploads/img41fe18c624e03.gif


Indentity

This movie failed during the prepare phase with a 'Run Time Error 6' message. I did try to do a search on this, but the search function on these forums seem to be broke at the moment :-?.

[pg55555]

The Cell
If I'm not mistaken, the "cce encoding failed: CBR VBV overflow" is related to the lack of enough available bitrate to process a particularly difficult cell in CCE VBR mode, so it is not a RB bug but a CCE one.
The work around is to encode in OPV mode.

[brashquido]

OK, I'll give it a shot. Is there anyway DVD-RB can detect this happening and make adjustments accordingly?

[BobZhome]

Originally posted by BobZhome
I'm also having problems with Multi-angle and 0.73
The results are way under sized, under 3 gigs.
It happened with two movies(Chasing Amy & Kikis Delivery Service)

The funny thing I noticed is that the Speed in CCE is alot faster than normal. Normally the speed is in the high two's/low three's. But with these two movies the speed was above six.

I do preprocess my movies with either TitleSetBlanker or VobBlanker, but I have used them in the past with Multi-angle movies with perfect results.

I plan on tring an older version of DVD-RB to see if I can get these movies done.

I used the follow programs on these movies:
DVDDecrypter_3.5.2.0
VobBlanker_1603
DVD-Rebuilder v.73 with CCE SP v2.67.00.27 with AviSynth v2.5.5(DGDecode.dll)

Let me know if you need more info!

Quote from thread: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89273

I swithed back to version 0.69 and everything came out perfect!
I think when support for CCE 2.7+ happened in 0.73 is when this problem with older CCE's started.

[rte5]

Concerning undersized output from Multi-angle DVDs.

It appears that rebuilder is calculating the final size of the DVD with the angles, but when finished, some of the angles are missing. This accounts for the reduction in size.

e.g., in the red shoes, the storyboard-animation-comparison VOB is missing from the rebuild.

[jdobbs]

Please make sure you don't have ILVU_Extract=1 enabled in the INI. That can cause this as well as more serious problems.

[brashquido]

I tried using 0.74 to convert K:19 Widowmaker again, but with the same problems. It does seem though that *some* of the stuttering has gone, or at least reduced. There is still a few spots however where it almost completely freezes up.

[brashquido]

Just tried K:19 again with .76 with the same stutter/freezing issues. One thing I noticed is that the movie stutters/freezes even when playing the VOB file directly. I've tested playing the vob file on two seperate PC's runnning PowerDVD and it sturrers/freezes on both. I tried using Media Player, BSPlayer and Zoom Player, but they all crashed when trying to play this vob file.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by rte5
Concerning undersized output from Multi-angle DVDs.

It appears that rebuilder is calculating the final size of the DVD with the angles, but when finished, some of the angles are missing. This accounts for the reduction in size.

e.g., in the red shoes, the storyboard-animation-comparison VOB is missing from the rebuild.

I've encountered this a couple of times. Most recently with the Monsters, Inc bonus DVD (which is an entire PITA since it has 93 VTSs). Every time I've seen it happen I noticed the VTS is ENTIRELY made up of IlVu material. The Monsters Inc disc actually had 2 VTS with IlVu material. One is entirely IlVu and one has 1 single 00.15 duration chapter in addition to the IlVu material. The one entirely made of IlVu material didn't get rebuilt, but the other one did. That's not proof of anything, but perhaps it's a clue.

The workaround for this is to copy the entire VTS over and run a Get VTS Sectors. Since it's all IlVu material it wouldn't have been re-encoded anyway.

[SpazzHH]

Just did O Brother, Where art Thou? with 0.81. Titles 12 and 13 are 3 angle Storyboard jobs. The files at 646mb and 642mb were never re-encoded or included in the rebuild. They were however figured into the project apparently at full size, because when I copied them into the finished output folder it stood at 4.36 and the disc plays great on my Philips. I wish I new which details to include in this report. If you have any further questions please ask. I love this program !!! Thank You all so much!!! I am having some of the strangest glitches with 0.81. The other versions have been flawless.

[TuRiSOft]

The last time I tried to backup an ILVU dvd was with "garfield , the movie" Italian version , reg.2 PAL. It contains some ILVU extras in the same TitleSet of the main Movie. I don't remember the RB version I used to backup it (probably 0.75), I remember I got error#6 , so I watched original m2v and re-encoded m2v w/VirtualDub , figuring out the non-encoded part and the re-encoded part of the ILVU section had I frames at different positions. Maybe I'm wrong , but in ILVU parts we must have same positions for every I frame (cce has an option to restrict Auto I frame insertion , I think it was made for this).
So I believe most of the problems are related to this thing.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by TuRiSOft
The last time I tried to backup an ILVU dvd was with "garfield , the movie" Italian version , reg.2 PAL. It contains some ILVU extras in the same TitleSet of the main Movie. I don't remember the RB version I used to backup it (probably 0.75), I remember I got error#6 , so I watched original m2v and re-encoded m2v w/VirtualDub , figuring out the non-encoded part and the re-encoded part of the ILVU section had I frames at different positions. Maybe I'm wrong , but in ILVU parts we must have same positions for every I frame (cce has an option to restrict Auto I frame insertion , I think it was made for this).
So I believe most of the problems are related to this thing. I don't think they could be related... because at the moment DVD-RB doesn't reencode the ILVU sections. So the I-Frames would all be exactly as originally authored.

[t3rror]

jdobbs,

How is the IlVu work coming along? This seems to be the most requested feature, and I was just wondering. Thanks again for all the work you do with this program.

[jptheripper]

he said its a main goal for just before or at the 1.0 release

[TuRiSOft]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I don't think they could be related... because at the moment DVD-RB doesn't reencode the ILVU sections. So the I-Frames would all be exactly as originally authored.

So it was an error because one of the ILVU section was encoded!

I can try to repeat the process another time if you want. Now I'm on 0.81Pro.

[doomer2]

Unfortunately, I found this thread only after I'd already created a new thread. Tried to delete the original to move it here, but the forum didn't let me. Maybe a moderator will kill the other thread for me. Anyway, here goes:

I just tried a backup of my new copy of Taxi (NTSC), which I found out is an IIVu/Interleaved dvd.

While Rebuilder seemed to detect the interleaving and gave no errors during processing, the output, while playable, skipped around wierdly between the two interleaved video chains, like the segments weren't handled correctly during pre-encoding cell blocking and/or reassembly. Specifically, the sections that I noticed are around 5-7 minutes into the "extended" version, and the time jumps backward and skips some material at least once in that area when playing it. Strangely, doing a reverse scan from the next chapter appears to show the material that is skipped when playing forward. :confused:

There are probably more problems in other areas, but I only checked the first few minutes.

Since DB didn't give any errors, not sure what else I can tell you, but if there is info that will help, I will be happy to supply it.

[brashquido]

Sounds like you're in a similar boat to me doomer2. I've been trying to backup K:19 WidowMaker for a while now with very similar problems in the interleaved/Multiangle VTS, only K:19 seems to just go into slideshow mode with very servere audio and video stutter. It doesn't seem to jump around or miss sections at all, although it does play fine if you play it at ANY speed other than 1.0 x forward (normal play speed). I can play in slow motion, fast forward, and reverse with no stutter. It is only when playing the movie at normal speed.

[jdobbs]

I'll ask the same question again: Have either of you burned it and tried it on a standalone?

I'll pick up "Taxi" tomorrow and test it...

[brashquido]

No. I suppose the reason I skipped this test myself is that if the original is played without any such behaviour, and all my other DVD-RB projects don't display this difference in before and after behaviour in PowerDVD, why should it be a problem with PowerDVD now? I will try it though just to clarify.

[doomer2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'll ask the same question again: Have either of you burned it and tried it on a standalone?


Sorry, I did not see that you asked about a standalone test. No, I didn't try that, since I've never had one work in the standalone that didn't work in the software ones. However, I did try a couple of different software players, and they both didn't like it. If I get a chance, I'll reencode it tonight and let you know in the morning.

[jdobbs]

There are different was to handle interleaved video. If it works in a standalone (which it probably will), then I use that information to help find out what the software player is choking on.

Software players sometimes "cheat" in the way they handle DVDs when they aren't on a disc.

[brashquido]

I burnt it to DVD-RW jdobbs, but the stuttering still exists, although the video stutter is nowhere near as pronounced. I'll post details in other thread.

[doomer2]

Well jdobbs, you were right. I reencoded it overnight and burned it this morning, and it does appear to play ok in my standalone. I didn't have time to check much of it, but the specific problem area I was looking at seems to work ok.

[jdobbs]

One for two... oh well, that's still battin' .500. I'm working on the ILVU encoding section, I'll see what comes up...

[doomer2]

I'm having a problem with a DVD that I've been trying to make a backup of for the past several RB versions, but RB keeps creating a significantly undersized image, at about 3.3gig instead of 4.3, and seems to still be the case with .80. The dvd in question has a lot of computer animation shorts on it (16 VTS's with one title each).

After digging around, I found out the reason the dvd is undersized is that the rebuild is apparently not processing a few of the VTS's that are multiangle. It creates the IFO's and menu vob for those VTS's, but the title vob is missing.

If I copy the missing vob's from the original over to the rebuilt dvd, it seems to be the right size, and even seems to play ok. But because those vobs aren't being reduced, the video on the rest ends up fairly crappy.

So, if RB really isn't supposed to rebuild those VTS's, I'm assuming that not copying the original vobs over during the rebuild is a bug.

But I'm curious as to why those vts's aren't being rebuilt, when there are other multiangle VTS's that are, and also if there's any way I can force it to rebuild them so as to gain space and raise the quality of the rest.

Thanks!

[jdobbs]

I'm curious too. If anyone knows of an NTSC R1 title that shows this symptom -- please let me know so I can fix it.

Thanks!

[SpazzHH]

O Brother Where Art Thou NTSC R1. Last 2 VTS are 3 angle, don't get re-encoded or copied to output folder during rebuild. If you do a manual copy, title works great.

[jdobbs]

Cool... I actually own that one! Great movie, eh?

I should be able to get this fixed for v0.83 now. Thanks!

[btspm]

Do I understand correctly that ILVU material is not reencoded? I have a disc that is almost entirely interactive content that turns out oversized by about 2 GB when I run it through DVD-RB. Seems to work ok at first glance, but I'm wondering if I can tweak anything to get the size down. The other potential problem is that it consists of a lot of short clips. IIRC, DVD-RB doesn't reencode very small segements also- correct? Could both of these problems conspire to cause oversizing?

[lark]

yep, ilvu segments are not re-encoded.
short VTSes are not re-encoded by default, but you can change this in the ini.
sure both of these can lead to oversized dvd.
cannot you remove some audio tracks or blank (or convert to stills) some parts of the dvd?

regards
t :)

[doomer2]

I'll ask the same question again: Have either of you burned it and tried it on a standalone?

I'll pick up "Taxi" tomorrow and test it...

Did you get a chance to check this? I just tried reencoding it with 0.93, hoping that the IIVu fix mentioned in the changelog might have fixed this, but it still happens in my software players. Still seems to work in my standalone though, but it works with a lot of out-of-spec dvds.

Thanks.

[wmansir]

I just did The Abyss, R1, with 1.0RC1. The encoding and rebuilding went fine, the only problem was it came oversized @ 4.65GB. My targetSectors is modified, but consistently gives 4.37GB with previous versions. Also, I used ProCoder.

[02:08:02] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- AVS Filters are enabled.
- VTS_04: 3,807,243 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
- Processed 90.7MB ILVU section...
- Processed 212.4MB ILVU section...
- Processed 111.3MB ILVU section...
- Processed 150.0MB ILVU section...
- Processed 146.1MB ILVU section...
- Processed 577.2MB ILVU section...
- Processed 286.5MB ILVU section...
- Processed 52.1MB ILVU section...
- Processed 126.6MB ILVU section...
- Processed 137.4MB ILVU section...
- Processed 97.3MB ILVU section...
- Processed 127.7MB ILVU section...
- Processed 98.1MB ILVU section...
- Processed 64.5MB ILVU section...
- Processed 105.0MB ILVU section...
- Processed 518.0MB ILVU section...
- Processed 669.8MB ILVU section...
-- Processed 303,368 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 53.8%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,278Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,518,794KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,009/600/2,278 Kbs
[02:18:44] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 10 minutes.

Next I'm going to try Clerks X with CCE and the default TargetSectors. It's much shorter and I won't have to use filters and ProCoder for good quality, so the process should take less than half the time.

EDIT: Should also say, just as with previous IlVu Rebuilds it did not work in IfoEdit's player, but did work in PowerDVD. I couldn't test it on a standalone because it was too big to burn.

[wmansir]

My bad, I think. While messing around last night I changed the source directory after the prepare phase. I changed it back before encoding the project, but apparently this reset the audio selections and included a 2.0 track I had manually deselected. I'm burning a test disc now.

[jdobbs]

Please let me know how it comes out. I've gotten a report in another thread that the Abyss failed... I was about to go out and get it.

[wmansir]

Unfortunately I have to report the same results as Muttlover in the other thread. The theatrical edition jumped just as he described in PowerDVD. The special edition version played fine from what I saw. I was mistaken when I stated it worked fine in PDVD earlier. I also tried it in WinDVD with the same results.

On the standalone neither version played correctly. They both jumped back and forth between the versions every second or so.

FYI, Walmart has a preorder up (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3942720) for and ID4/Abyss 2 pack, both contain the SE and Theatrical release (http://video.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?wrk=6928061) using IlVu, just like their current seperate releases. The good news is the price is $19.88 for both movies, the bad news is they don't ship until August, 9.

[jdobbs]

Which version did you use in your test? (there seems to be a "Special Edition", a "Fullscreen Edition", a "Widescreen Edition" and a "Double Digipack Edition"). I will look for it tomorrow so I can wrap this up...


[Edit] Oh, I forgot the regular edition... geeezzz!

[wmansir]

It's the widescreen Special Edition, 2-disc.

I did a little research and this exact release is OOP. The Digipack is the exact same discs, but with different packaging. It replaced the original 2-disc release a couple of years ago. Also, I believe the current single disc SE, which sells for around $10, is Disc 1 of the original 2-disc set. So basically, they're all the same disc.

[curious d]

While my attempt to back up Beauty and the Beast with version 1 RC is better than 0.932 Pro, the images are still blocky around the edges of the characters and the extras are still stuttering (ISO playback). Blocky quality is not anywhere nearly as bad as the previous edition. This is true for the SE version as well as for the Original Theatrical Version. I was using 25% reduction for the extras, HC encoding set on mpeg matrix and best quality. Any thoughts as to better setting? Thanks.

[TheSeeker]

Im getting the buffer overflow error 6 and I believe the runtime error 5 on Alien, Disc one of the alien quadrilogy. It errors on segment 128 so I would say thats about 90 percent through the rebuild process. No preprocessing was performed. JDobbs. If you dont have them already, I highly recommend the Alien Quadrilogy as they seem to be the biggest pain in the butt Seamless branching titles in existance.

[jdobbs]

I'll see if I can pick them up this morning as well. Even though I already own all the Alien movies... I'll tell you, it is really frustrating to keep buying the same movies over-and-over just to get the next "extended high-performance, high-octane edition". LOL

[TheSeeker]

I know what you mean. Studio's just love to milk them for all their worth don't they? Im sorry if I made it sound like you HAD to buy the movies. I just know that they probably represent the most difficult to backup titles that I know of. Just thought they would be a good testing grounds, especially for the new seamless branching/ILVU engine.

[jdobbs]

Hey, that's what donations are for! Yes, I want to do tests on the most difficult movies... if you can get past those the little ones just fall in line.

[Plutox]

Forgive me if this is a dumb schmuck question, but with the new ILVU support, what is the best way of going about a disc that uses seamless branching to create multiple edits of the same film (director's cut, producer's dog's cut etc.) if I want to backup, say, just the director's cut as a single title with no fancy features?

Just to clarify, I want to seperate one particular instance of the seamless branching rather than reproduce the ILVU in all its complexity.

[jdobbs]

That's a feature that will have to come in V1.10... One thing you can do, though is do is a movie-only backup. Typically on a seamless branching title you will have a different PGC for each playback path ("The Matrix" is a good example). Movie-only mode will select the PGC that is longest and the interleaved video from the other PGCs will be left out.

[wmansir]

Plutox, What you want to do is strip an angle. There were/are plans to support this within DVD-RB, but it's not there yet. Instead you can try using another program to do it and then feed the results to DVD-RB.

IfoEdit can do it and is free. DVDRemake can also do it, but is a commercial program. Check out the IFO/VOB editing subforum for instructions on how to do it. I think 2Cool has a guide in his sticky for the IfoEdit method, but I'm not 100% sure. Use the forum Search if you can't find it there.

[wmansir]

I have an error to report on ID4. During Rebuild I received error #6 (I think), frame count change between source...

Here is the log, Notice the duplicate VOB/Cell ID at the end, the D2VAVS files names actually had 3 segments with that V/C ID in the file name, but the IFO does not have this anomaly.

Also, I check the .m2v and .avs files around the error and the frame counts match. So it doesn't appear to be a botched encode. I'm in a real hurry now, but I'll be back in about an hour to fill in any details I missed.

- Detected ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING on source.
-----------------
[22:55:43] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- AVS Filters are enabled.
- VTS_04: 3,719,073 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
- Processed 148.7MB ILVU section...
- Processed 62.0MB ILVU section...
- Processed 137.9MB ILVU section...
- Processed 72.7MB ILVU section...
- Processed 93.5MB ILVU section...
- Processed 53.2MB ILVU section...
- Processed 58.2MB ILVU section...
- Processed 55.1MB ILVU section...
- Processed 150.3MB ILVU section...
- Processed 40.5MB ILVU section...
-- Processed 228,688 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 51.1%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,704Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,148,028KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 3,342/600/2,704 Kbs
[23:01:52] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 6 minutes.
[23:19:50] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 5
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 6
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 7
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 8
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 9
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 10
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 12
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 13
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 14
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 15
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 16
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 18
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 19
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 20
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 21
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 22
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 23
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 24
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 25
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 26
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 27
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 28
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 29
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 30
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 31
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 32
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 33
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 34
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 35
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 36
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 37
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 38
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 39
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 40
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 41
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 42
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 43
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 44
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 45
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 46
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 47
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 48
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 49
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 50
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 51
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 52
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 53
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 54
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 55
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 56
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 57
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 58
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 59
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 60
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 61
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 62
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 63
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 64
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 65
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 66
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 67
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 68
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 69
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 70
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 71
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 72
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 73
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 74
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 75
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 76
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 77
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 78
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 79
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 80
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 81
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 82
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 83
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 84
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 85
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 86
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 87
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 88
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 89
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 90
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 91
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 92
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 93
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 94
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 95
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 96
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 97
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 98
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 99
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 100
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 101
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 102
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 103
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 104
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 105
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 106
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 107
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 108
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 109
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 110
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 111
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 112
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 113
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 114
- Creating M2V for VTS_04 segment 115
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_04 segment 116
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_04 segment 117
[06:41:42] Phase II ENCODING completed in 442 minutes.
[12:24:40] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_04
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 1 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 1 CELLID 3
- Processed 148.7MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 4 VOBID 2 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 5 VOBID 3 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 6 VOBID 3 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_03
- Rebuilding seg 7 VOBID 4 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 8 VOBID 4 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 9 VOBID 4 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 10 VOBID 4 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 11 VOBID 4 CELLID 5
- Processed 62.0MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_04
- Rebuilding seg 12 VOBID 5 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 13 VOBID 5 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 14 VOBID 6 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 15 VOBID 6 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_05
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_06
- Rebuilding seg 16 VOBID 7 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 17 VOBID 7 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 18 VOBID 7 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 19 VOBID 7 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 20 VOBID 7 CELLID 5
- Rebuilding seg 21 VOBID 7 CELLID 6
- Rebuilding seg 22 VOBID 7 CELLID 7
- Rebuilding seg 23 VOBID 7 CELLID 8
- Rebuilding seg 24 VOBID 7 CELLID 9
- Rebuilding seg 25 VOBID 7 CELLID 10
- Processed 137.9MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_07
- Rebuilding seg 26 VOBID 8 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 27 VOBID 8 CELLID 1
- Possible dropped frame(s) [ 1 ] noted in this segment, continuing...
- Rebuilding seg 28 VOBID 8 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 29 VOBID 9 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 30 VOBID 9 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_08
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_09
- Rebuilding seg 31 VOBID 10 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 32 VOBID 10 CELLID 2
- Processed 72.7MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_10
- Rebuilding seg 33 VOBID 11 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 34 VOBID 11 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 35 VOBID 12 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 36 VOBID 12 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_11
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_12
- Rebuilding seg 37 VOBID 13 CELLID 1
- Processed 93.5MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_13
- Rebuilding seg 38 VOBID 14 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 39 VOBID 14 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 40 VOBID 14 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 41 VOBID 15 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 42 VOBID 15 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 43 VOBID 15 CELLID 3
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_14
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_15
- Rebuilding seg 44 VOBID 16 CELLID 1
- Processed 53.2MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_16
- Rebuilding seg 45 VOBID 17 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 46 VOBID 17 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 47 VOBID 18 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 48 VOBID 18 CELLID 2
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_17
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_18
- Rebuilding seg 49 VOBID 19 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 50 VOBID 19 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 51 VOBID 19 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 52 VOBID 19 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 53 VOBID 19 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 54 VOBID 19 CELLID 5
- Rebuilding seg 55 VOBID 19 CELLID 6
- Rebuilding seg 56 VOBID 19 CELLID 7
- Rebuilding seg 57 VOBID 19 CELLID 8
- Rebuilding seg 58 VOBID 19 CELLID 9
- Rebuilding seg 59 VOBID 19 CELLID 10
- Rebuilding seg 60 VOBID 19 CELLID 11
- Rebuilding seg 61 VOBID 19 CELLID 12
- Rebuilding seg 62 VOBID 19 CELLID 13
- Processed 58.2MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_19
- Rebuilding seg 63 VOBID 20 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 64 VOBID 20 CELLID 1
- Possible dropped frame(s) [ 1 ] noted in this segment, continuing...
- Rebuilding seg 65 VOBID 21 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_20
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_21
- Rebuilding seg 66 VOBID 22 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_22
- Rebuilding seg 67 VOBID 23 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 68 VOBID 23 CELLID 2
- Processed 55.1MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_23
- Rebuilding seg 69 VOBID 24 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 70 VOBID 24 CELLID 1
- Possible dropped frame(s) [ 1 ] noted in this segment, continuing...
- Rebuilding seg 71 VOBID 25 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_24
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_25
- Rebuilding seg 72 VOBID 26 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 73 VOBID 26 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 74 VOBID 26 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 75 VOBID 26 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 76 VOBID 26 CELLID 5
- Processed 150.3MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_26
- Rebuilding seg 77 VOBID 27 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 78 VOBID 27 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 79 VOBID 27 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 80 VOBID 28 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 81 VOBID 28 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 82 VOBID 28 CELLID 3
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_27
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_28
- Rebuilding seg 83 VOBID 29 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 84 VOBID 29 CELLID 2
- Rebuilding seg 85 VOBID 29 CELLID 3
- Rebuilding seg 86 VOBID 29 CELLID 4
- Rebuilding seg 87 VOBID 29 CELLID 4

[jdobbs]

There were/are plans to support this within DVD-RB, but it's not there yet. Still are... I just spent so much time on the ILVU code that by the time I finished I just wanted to get it out for more testing before adding any bells/whistles to it.

[jdobbs]

During Rebuild I received error #6 (I think), Was it the "Runtime Error 6" -- or the DVD-RB internal 0006, "Framecount differences" error?

[Plutox]

That's a feature that will have to come in V1.10
What you want to do is strip an angle. There were/are plans to support this within DVD-RB, but it's not there yet.
Many thanks. I'll wait patiently :p

[wmansir]

ERROR 0006: DVD-RB has found framecount differences between the PREPARE and REBUILD phases. Aborting.

The source for this job is a mounted ISO. Also, I'm using CCE 2.5.

I've attached the REBUILDER.INF.

[Rippraff]

@jdobbs

As I mentioned in another post I made a backup of multiangle DVD Amelie from Montmartre" PAL, CCE 2.70 which run without any error messages and came out at 4,36 GB :)
I realized today both on PC (PowerDVD) and on TV (SAP) that there is a slight stuttering in audio and video in the cut between angle and the following normal parts. This happens in the german and in the french video version as well.

Cu Rippraff

[jdobbs]

Well I just took a look at "The Abyss" -- I guess I need to do some research... because the first set of ILVU sequences don't seem to fit into what I though was possible....

The first cell of the first seamless branch interleaves with the first cell of the second seamless branch -- just as it would be expected... but the second cell of the second seamless branch is also interleaved with the first cell of the first seamless branch, as well as the second cell of the first seamless branch.. like this:

BRANCH 01-01: S==============F----------------->
BRANCH 02-01: --S======F----------------------->
BRANCH 01-02: ------------------------S==========F----->
BRANCH 02-02: -------------S======================F-->

So DVD-RB misread the first interleaved section as having three "angles" (01-01, 02-01, and 02-02) because they were overlapping. It also saw the second block as having only one "angle" (01-02). I guess that is some bad assuming on its part (hmm... on my part).

I'll have to relook at my method for determining the grouping of cells into ILVU blocks.

[mech61]

Im getting the buffer overflow error 6 and I believe the runtime error 5 on Alien, Disc one of the alien quadrilogy. It errors on segment 128 so I would say thats about 90 percent through the rebuild process. No preprocessing was performed. JDobbs. If you dont have them already, I highly recommend the Alien Quadrilogy as they seem to be the biggest pain in the butt Seamless branching titles in existance

Ive just done Alien Quadrilogy PAL R4 and all discs turned out perfect no pre processing done. I used 0.93.2 Pro. If I played back the converted .vobs it was skipping and jumped all over the place but the .iso played fine in PowerDVD and also in my standalone after the discs were burned.

[wmansir]

This isn't suppose to happen... :(

...but it did. I got this cryptic error message during the encode phase of Clerks X Edition (Disc 2). It happened just after completing the encode of the first segment, which appeared to be successful.

The disc is almost entirely composed of IlVu material as the feature contains a commentary track and an alternate angle with footage from the recording session running for the entire film.

Attached is the REBUILDER.INF and log file.

[bteamfox]

I tried Whinnie The Poo The Tigger Movie NTSC. It worked better in RC1.0 then in 93a but there is still jumping in places, notably at the credits at the end. It jumps between two sets of credits, one black text one white and the back ground picture is different. Also Tigger jumps accoss the screen near the start of the film and he does some very odd things. At least it does freeze there now. This was tested using Power DVD 6. This is the only software player I have. Does the same for Vobs or ISO image.

[jdobbs]

@bteamfox

What did it do with v0.93.2?

[jdobbs]

Yeah... that's a good note to pass to everyone. You can't playback an interleaved VOB in any way except through a DVD player (e.g. a standalone or something like Power DVD). Using other playback software (like WMP for instance) get really confused and either skip sections or alternate between angles every half-second or so). In fact even Power DVD will play it back wrong if you try to open them as meda files.

So please don't test it that way.

[bteamfox]

I used 93.2 then upgraded to RC1 and re-did it from scratch using RC1. I created a tigger.ISO file then mounted the ISO file using Daemon Tools.

I have just read your post about software players so I will burn it to a DVD and let you know how it goes.

One question. If I play the original Tigger DVD using Power DVD should it play back or should it fail? I am at work so I cant test it, I will try it and report back.

[jdobbs]

This isn't suppose to happen... :(

...but it did. I got this cryptic error message during the encode phase of Clerks X Edition (Disc 2). It happened just after completing the encode of the first segment, which appeared to be successful.

The disc is almost entirely composed of IlVu material as the feature contains a commentary track and an alternate angle with footage from the recording session running for the entire film.

Attached is the REBUILDER.INF and log file.That should indeed "never happen"... When DVD-RB does the prepare phase it adds an entry in the "[ILVU]" section of the REBUILDER.INF for every ILVU cell it encounters.

During the encode phase, for each segment DVD-RB looks at the ILVU= flag for the segment to see if it has to the extract ILVU segment (ordered) from the source directory into a temporary VOB file. That error pops up if there is a segment marked as ILVU=1 in REBUILDER.INF that doesn't have a corresponding entry in the [ILVU] section.

Frankly I don't know how that could be possible without some editing of the REBUILDER.INF file... because they are both written at the same time. I'll see if I can find the Clerks disc...

I told you this ILVU stuff was complicated... this kind of thing is exactly why it took almost a month of coding.

[jdobbs]

@wmansir

Here's the real kicker:

[V0100000]
Last_Sector=69302
[V01000100000000]
SCR=19414395.000
PTS=19439652.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=3
Playback=3
First_Sector=69270
Last_Sector=69302
Reduction=53.3
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0
Convert16=0
EndPTM=19484697.000
Audio_Sub_Sectors=6
ILVU=1
Video_Sectors=13

According to this -- that disc has a cell (the second segment) that has a VOBID of 00 and a CELLID of 00 --- as the cop says in The Matrix after the agent jumps between buildings to catch Trinity: "that's impossible!"

Could you send me the IFO file for VTS_01 from the original?

[wmansir]

I also thought that cell was very odd.

[wmansir]

I had my greatest success yet today with Rocky Horror Picture Show. No errors and both the US and UK versions of the film played perfectly in PowerDVD. (The only difference is one chapter near the end). Unfortunately, the disc displayed the same behavior as The Abyss in my standalone, with both versions alternating between angles every second or so.

[bteamfox]

Ripped a clean version from my original DVD of the Tigger Movie using DVD Decrypter. I doubled clicked the video_ts file and Power DVD 6 Started to play the movie. I moved to the end titles and they play correctly. I then encoded using DVD RB Pro RC1 and CCE 2 pass for speed. I stripped nothing the only setting was to steel 25% space from extras. I clicked on the Video_TS file and repeated the above. The end credits now jump again. I will burn the output to a DVD when I have a moment but personally I don't think it will work as Power DVD 6 playes the clean ripped version ok. I will report back again when I have tried it burnt to DVD.

PS when I say jumped it's looks like it's jumping between to angles of credits?

[jdobbs]

Do you seem to be having problems with multi-angled movies, seamless branching movies, or both? I already know of an issue with seamless branching and I want to try and narrow down the scope of my search for problems.

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

I used 93.2 then upgraded to RC1 and re-did it from scratch using RC1. I created a tigger.ISO file then mounted the ISO file using Daemon Tools.

I have just read your post about software players so I will burn it to a DVD and let you know how it goes.

One question. If I play the original Tigger DVD using Power DVD should it play back or should it fail? I am at work so I cant test it, I will try it and report back. It should work with Power DVD -- it's the normal "media players" that will always fail to playback ILVU.

[jdobbs]

By the way -- I really appreciate the effort you guys are putting into this. I want this ILVU stuff to get cleaned up.

[wmansir]

Clerks X is the only multi-angle movie I've tried, and that never got past the encode phase, the rest are seamless branching (Abyss, ID4, Rocky Horror).

BTW, I just opened Clerks X with DVD Remake. I thought perhaps that weird cell was unreferenced and I could strip it out, but Remake gave me a "Bad Block Header" error and then crashed. It's possible there was some kind of read error when I ripped it. It was a couple of months ago so I don't recall. It's just been waiting as a good IlVu test disc. Or it could be whatever is throwing off DVD-RB is also throwing Remake for a loop. I'll have to try re-ripping it, but I won't be able to do that until tomorrow at the earliest.

[bteamfox]

I can not see any other angles to select in the Tigger movie so I assume it is seamless branching.

I did what you said and burnt the clean DVD-RB Pro RC1 outout to a DVD and played it in my DVD player. The good news is the credits played back fine. The bad news is I had trouble getting to them.

I went to the chapter select menu and selected the final chapter,(23). Instead of going to the final chapter and playing the credits it went to the "Disney" end screen,(blue with white writing) and played that and then returned to the menu. So it completely missed out the credits. If I went to chapter 22 and fast forward to chapter 23 the credits then play ok,(unlike Power DVD which seems to switch every second or two). There is a chapter 24 but that is just "Black screen" before returning to the menu.

PS if there is a film you want tested and I have it just ask and I will give it a go, luckly I just bought a AMD 64 4200+ X2 Dual Core which can do a 2 pass (1 cce), in cce mode in approx 1 hour :D. 7 Pass (6 cce) will complete in approx 5 hours :)

I mainly have Sci-Fi movies like The Abyss,(Pal), Fifth Element,(NTSC), ID4,(PAL), etc.

[jdobbs]

@bteamfox

Wow. I may have to do an upgrade this summer.

[SAPSTAR]

Hi,

I was keeping "Les Mysterieuses Cites D'Or DVD2", a PAL/Animation DVD, with a lot of ILVU and MultiAngle data (the previous versions DVDRB ended with a 500kps for MIN/MAX and AVG). Here the result was good until the rebuild phase, an error 6 : memory overflow occured......

@jdobbs : if you needed more precise info, let me know what ! Anyway, good job, I like very much the latest version of DVDRB !!!!

[TheSeeker]

@bteamfox

Nice computer. But I can do the same thing in 88 minutes (2 pass CCE) with my AMD64 3000+ single core socket 754 system. And it was about 1000 dollars cheaper Im guessing.

Dont you just wish CCE 2.70 was 64 bit optimized? I know I do.


Jdobbs,

Im just chiming in with my experiences. I have almost never had issues with Multi Angles, Its mostly just the seamless branching titles. I have Meet the Fockers, I haven't taken a look at it yet, but Im pretty sure it may be seamless branching. Or at the very least multi angle. I will let you know how it goes tonite. Also, Im going to keep up my testing of the Alien quadrilogy. This time maybe trying out .93.2 instead of RC1.

[bteamfox]

@bteamfox

Nice computer. But I can do the same thing in 88 minutes (2 pass CCE) with my AMD64 3000+ single core socket 754 system.

Ah! but can you still play a game at the same time and download files in the back ground :) It's when you do mulit cce passes you really notice the speed :) The fact you can carry on and play or what ever is great to :) My 3200+ Took about 9-10 Hours to do 7 Passes so I am dead chuffed it now takes 5 :D Whooos. Still I love AMD 64 Bit and like you said it's a shame there is not 64 Bit CCE

[TheSeeker]

You can play a game while encoding with cce? Now THATS pretty impressive. I never do more than 2 or possibly 3 passes with cce so thats not really an issue with my setup.

Does CCE support SMP? Can it use both processors to full 100% capacity if you let it? I would be surprised if it could.

[bteamfox]

You can play a game while encoding with cce? Now THATS pretty impressive. I never do more than 2 or possibly 3 passes with cce so thats not really an issue with my setup.

Does CCE support SMP? Can it use both processors to full 100% capacity if you let it? I would be surprised if it could.

First off it helps to Have 2GB of ram whilst playing and encoding. Second I have a SATA Drive C: and a pair of SCSI drives E: and F: This way you reduce and game stutter when encoding is loading and saving from and to E: and F: I am not saying it's 100% perfect but it's pritty smooth. If you want it smooth you can lower the CPU priorty of RB. I haven't tried playing a game for long as I have had to much to do but it does work :)

Does CCE Support SMP? Yes! If you open task manager you have two cpu graphs one for each cpu and both are active whilst use cce. cce's instuction say it supports Dual CPU's. The CPU's don't ever seem to run at 100% each. They seem to wax and wain. One second one is at 90% and 80% then one maybe at 93% and the other at 50% so the vaules seem random but I think this is normal. I do have Cool & quiet enabled so that may effect it slightly. Watching CPU 0 works about the high 80-90% whislt cpu 1 is work 60-80% then they swap. The reviews have said you set 1.80 out of 2.00 of the full speed. Either way I am happy I can encode at 7 passes in five hours and still do other things if I want. I hope this answers your questions :) Now back to DVD RB-PRO :D

[wmansir]

Hate to be a stick in the mud, but we should keep this thread on topic. There is a current thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=94226) on 64x2 in the hardware forum (http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16).


BTW, I just opened Clerks X with DVD Remake. I thought perhaps that weird cell was unreferenced and I could strip it out, but Remake gave me a "Bad Block Header" error and then crashed. It's possible there was some kind of read error when I ripped it. ... I'll have to try re-ripping it, but I won't be able to do that until tomorrow at the earliest.
Well I retried it and the disc now has read errors and some visible scratches. I originally ripped it 5 months ago, and it's been around a lot since then, so I'm really not sure if my original files are good or not. It's probably best to just assume they are corrupt for now.

[Jack'n'xbox]

By the way -- I really appreciate the effort you guys are putting into this. I want this ILVU stuff to get cleaned up.
Hi Im going to run a batch tonight with a ILVU dvd(Hide and Seek) and Tarzan2 ( the one that gave me sound issues (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=96756))But this time its ver 1.0 i'm using.

anything you want me to try so that you can nail this down?

[Jack'n'xbox]

@bteamfox

Wow. I may have to do an upgrade this summer.
I to plan an upgrade to, but with in a month. I have a p4 should i give amd a try? are they finaly getting an edge over intel?

[jdobbs]

[Deleted] -- I need to stay OT.

[TheSeeker]

I to plan an upgrade to, but with in a month. I have a p4 should i give amd a try? are they finaly getting an edge over intel?

If your looking for a 64 bit system (which I would, its not hugely supported yet, but thats where everything is headed) there is no other choice but the AMD Athlon64. It has hardware level emulation support for 32 bit apps. WHich means you can run all your old 32 bit apps at darn near 100 percent speed on a 64 bit system. Im running WIn XP 64 bit right now and the only thing I cant do is cd rom/dvd rom emulation (like daemon tools). Although I did just download some beta software that seems to have remedied that situation. And drive support is all right. Not great, but all the biggest hardware is supported.


SOrry for going OT.

[ookzDVD]

I've got Error "Bad Record Number" during REBUILDING PHASE
while trying "My Plaything With Stacy Valentine"

Here is the log:

- Detected ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING on source.
[19:27:55] One Click encoding activated...
-----------------
[19:27:56] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.70.2.0 encoder selected.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_04: 53,751 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
- PREPARE aborted.
Aborted.
- Detected ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING on source.
[21:38:11] One Click encoding activated...
-----------------
[21:38:12] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- CCE SP 2.70.2.0 encoder selected.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,475,117 sectors.
-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
- Processed 3,184.4MB ILVU section...
- Processed 1,865.9MB ILVU section...
-- Processed 326,576 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 61.6%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,462Kbs
- Space for Video : 4,093,524KB
- HIGH/LOW/TYPICAL Bitrates: 8,808/2,014/2,462 Kbs
[21:51:02] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 13 minutes.
[21:51:02] Phase II ENCODING started
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_01 segment 0
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 1
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 2
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 3
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 4
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 5
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 6
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 7
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 8
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 9
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 10
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 11
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 12
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 13
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 14
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 15
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 16
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 17
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 18
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 19
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 20
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 21
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 22
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 23
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 24
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 25
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 26
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 27
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 28
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 29
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 30
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 31
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 32
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 33
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 34
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 35
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 36
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 37
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 38
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 39
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 40
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 41
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 42
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 43
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 44
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 45
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 46
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 47
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 48
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 49
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 50
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 51
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 52
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 53
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 54
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 55
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 56
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 57
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 58
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 59
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 60
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 61
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 62
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 63
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 64
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 65
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 66
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 67
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 68
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 69
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 70
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 71
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 72
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 73
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 74
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 75
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 76
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 77
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 78
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 79
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 80
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 81
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 82
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 83
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 84
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 85
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 86
- Extracting STILLS for VTS_01 segment 87
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 88
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 89
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 90
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 91
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 92
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 93
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 94
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 95
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 96
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 97
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 98
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 99
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 100
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 101
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 102
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 103
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 104
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 105
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 106
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 107
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 108
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 109
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 110
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 111
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 112
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 113
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 114
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 115
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 116
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 117
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 118
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 119
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 120
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 121
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 122
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 123
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 124
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 125
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 126
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 127
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 128
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 129
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 130
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 131
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 132
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 133
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 134
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 135
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 136
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 137
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 138
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 139
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 140
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 141
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 142
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 143
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 144
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 145
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 146
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 147
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 148
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 149
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 150
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 151
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 152
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 153
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 154
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 155
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 156
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 157
[03:44:13] Phase II ENCODING completed in 353 minutes.
[03:44:13] Phase III, REBUILD started.
- Copying IFO, BUP, and unaltered files...
- Processing VTS_01
- Reading/processing TMAP table...
- Rebuilding seg 0 VOBID 1 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_01
- Rebuilding seg 1 VOBID 2 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_02
- Rebuilding seg 2 VOBID 3 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_03
- Rebuilding seg 3 VOBID 4 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_04
- Rebuilding seg 4 VOBID 5 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_05
- Rebuilding seg 5 VOBID 6 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_06
- Rebuilding seg 6 VOBID 7 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_07
- Rebuilding seg 7 VOBID 8 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_08
- Rebuilding seg 8 VOBID 9 CELLID 1
- Processed 3,184.4MB ILVU section...
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_09
- Rebuilding seg 9 VOBID 10 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 10 VOBID 11 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 11 VOBID 12 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 12 VOBID 13 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 13 VOBID 14 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 14 VOBID 15 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 15 VOBID 16 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 16 VOBID 17 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 17 VOBID 18 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 18 VOBID 19 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 19 VOBID 20 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 20 VOBID 21 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 21 VOBID 22 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 22 VOBID 23 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 23 VOBID 24 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 24 VOBID 25 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 25 VOBID 26 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 26 VOBID 27 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 27 VOBID 28 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 28 VOBID 29 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 29 VOBID 30 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 30 VOBID 31 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 31 VOBID 32 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 32 VOBID 33 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 33 VOBID 34 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 34 VOBID 35 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 35 VOBID 36 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 36 VOBID 37 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 37 VOBID 38 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 38 VOBID 39 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 39 VOBID 40 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 40 VOBID 41 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 41 VOBID 42 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 42 VOBID 43 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 43 VOBID 44 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 44 VOBID 45 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 45 VOBID 46 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 46 VOBID 47 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 47 VOBID 48 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 48 VOBID 49 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 49 VOBID 50 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 50 VOBID 51 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 51 VOBID 52 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 52 VOBID 53 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 53 VOBID 54 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 54 VOBID 55 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 55 VOBID 56 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 56 VOBID 57 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 57 VOBID 58 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 58 VOBID 59 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 59 VOBID 60 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 60 VOBID 61 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 61 VOBID 62 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 62 VOBID 63 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 63 VOBID 64 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 64 VOBID 65 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 65 VOBID 66 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 66 VOBID 67 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 67 VOBID 68 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 68 VOBID 69 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 69 VOBID 70 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 70 VOBID 71 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 71 VOBID 72 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 72 VOBID 73 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 73 VOBID 74 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 74 VOBID 75 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 75 VOBID 76 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 76 VOBID 77 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 77 VOBID 78 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 78 VOBID 79 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 79 VOBID 80 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 80 VOBID 81 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 81 VOBID 82 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 82 VOBID 83 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 83 VOBID 84 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 84 VOBID 85 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 85 VOBID 86 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 86 VOBID 87 CELLID 1
- Processed 1,865.9MB ILVU section...
- Rebuilding seg 87 VOBID 88 CELLID 1
- Updating NAVPACKS for VOBID_88
- Rebuilding seg 88 VOBID 89 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 89 VOBID 90 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 90 VOBID 91 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 91 VOBID 92 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 92 VOBID 93 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 93 VOBID 94 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 94 VOBID 95 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 95 VOBID 96 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 96 VOBID 97 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 97 VOBID 98 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 98 VOBID 99 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 99 VOBID 100 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 100 VOBID 101 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 101 VOBID 102 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 102 VOBID 103 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 103 VOBID 104 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 104 VOBID 105 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 105 VOBID 106 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 106 VOBID 107 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 107 VOBID 108 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 108 VOBID 109 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 109 VOBID 110 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 110 VOBID 111 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 111 VOBID 112 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 112 VOBID 113 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 113 VOBID 114 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 114 VOBID 115 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 115 VOBID 116 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 116 VOBID 117 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 117 VOBID 118 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 118 VOBID 119 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 119 VOBID 120 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 120 VOBID 121 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 121 VOBID 122 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 122 VOBID 123 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 123 VOBID 124 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 124 VOBID 125 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 125 VOBID 126 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 126 VOBID 127 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 127 VOBID 128 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 128 VOBID 129 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 129 VOBID 130 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 130 VOBID 131 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 131 VOBID 132 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 132 VOBID 133 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 133 VOBID 134 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 134 VOBID 135 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 135 VOBID 136 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 136 VOBID 137 CELLID 1
- Rebuilding seg 137 VOBID 138 CELLID 1

....stopped

[jdobbs]

I rewrote some sections of the seamless branching code. Seems I'd underestimated all the possible permutations that were allowed. I think this will fix most of the problems mentioned in this thread.

Just a note on The Abyss (NTSC, R1)... What a disappontment! At first I thought maybe my code was problematic -- but it turns out that it truly is 4:3. How could the authoring house know enough to use some of the complex DVD functions they do -- but still author the movie as widescreen encapsulated in 4:3. :rolleyes:

This disc is a good candidate for the 4:3 to 16:9 conversion feature, now that it can be used on ILVU movies.

[marpada]

Same error with Genesis : The way we walk Disc 1.

I've got Error "Bad Record Number" during REBUILDING PHASE
while trying "My Plaything With Stacy Valentine"

[marpada]

Same problem with RC2 :(

Same error with Genesis : The way we walk Disc 1.

[ookzDVD]

@jdobbs
Report:
With RC2
I still got the error : "Bad Record Number" during REBUILDING phase.

PS. I attach the .IFO

[jdobbs]

@marpada

Is that Genesis DVD NTSC by any chance? I just want to make sure I get one to work with that will cause the error.

[bteamfox]

I still have the same problem with the Tigger Movie

[SpazzHH]

I get the "Bad Record Number" error on the Bonus disc for Spiderman 2. During rebuild at the end of the ILVU section(VTS 7). R1 NTSC

[marpada]

Yes, it's NTSC.

It`s Genesis - The Way We Walk Disc 1. I can test Disc 2 tonight

@marpada

Is that Genesis DVD NTSC by any chance? I just want to make sure I get one to work with that will cause the error.

[wmansir]

Re-did The Abyss with RC2. It fixed the issue in PowerDVD, but my Apex still has the same issue as before (swaping between versions every second or so).

[FilipeAmadeuO]

Same problem where with Alien 3 - Special Edition (region 2 )

[Jack'n'xbox]

I recived error 0003. Buffer overflow at rebuilding. I'm useing rc2 with cce2.5 and the dvd is Hide and seek region1 ntfs

[a63548]

I encoded Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition NTSC R1 which has three different versions of the movie. Originally I encoded it with DVD Rebuilder Pro 1.00 RC1 and it gave an error during rebuilding, so I gave up for a while. With RC 2, the error in the rebuild phase is gone. The only problem I still have is while play it still jumps from the theatrical/special editions. I am watching it using PowerDVD, using the menu to select which version of the movie to play. (not dragging the .vobs into powerdvd). The switching/distortion only occurs on the ILVU scenes. I also wanted to say that it seems like the switching/distortion is better than it was with RC1.

A few of the settings/programs used in this encode:

CCE SP 2.70.02.00
*2 passes to see if the rebuild phase worked
One Click Mode
Angel Best Low Matrix
No pre-processing

Here is the log file to try and help. .log renamed to .txt to be able to be attached.

[TheSeeker]

Well with the release of Rebuilder v1.0 RC2 I can now competely without error backup Alien of the alien quadrilogy. Next up is Aliens. Way to go Jdobbs!!! I have been waiting to be able to back these up for a very long time now.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

Well with the release of Rebuilder v1.0 RC2 I can now competely without error backup Alien of the alien quadrilogy. Next up is Aliens. Way to go Jdobbs!!! I have been waiting to be able to back these up for a very long time now.


Have you tried playing then on your dvd player. I also have done these movies but they are all crazy.

[TheSeeker]

Have you tried playing then on your dvd player. I also have done these movies but they are all crazy.

Well, I havent watched the backup all the way through yet. I just popped it in and skipped around and it seemed fine. What exactly happens on your copy that you backed up? I will have to watch it all the way through tonite. What version of RB and encoder did you use?

Thanks for the heads up.

[FilipeAmadeuO]

I used DVD Rebuilder v1.00 RC2 and CCE 2.70.02.01.
I tried Alien 3 special edition (R2) and i had problems because sometimes i skipped chapters and also some skipping between versions.

[TheSeeker]

Ok, thats pretty much what I use too. Except cce 2.70.05.xx something like that. I will report my findings later tonite. Man, what were they thinking when they mastered/authored this new alien release? Seems like nothing but problems. Even the originals cause difficulties on some players.

[DK]

ALIENS RC2 - rb 1.0 rc5.1

i'm having trouble with aliens as well

the encoding process went fine with hc 015 and cce 2.70 trial (not procoder2!) but playing the dvd on my standalone playback froze 2 times in the first 50 min of playing the special edition

[DK]

tried burning to different media: same result

freezes at the very same time

ran alien3 and found even more freezes in this title



how did the rest of you manage to successfully back up the quadrilogy?

[jptheripper]

if you have dvd remake, can you load the rebuilt files into it, and let us know if it "recovers the cells"

[TheSeeker]

if you have dvd remake, can you load the rebuilt files into it, and let us know if it "recovers the cells"

Yes, it does for Aliens anyways.

[DK]

i'm sorry i dont have dvdremake

would there be any other ways or this case hopeless?

[jdobbs]

Are you doing any pre or post processing? Any add-on utilities used after PREPARE?

[DK]

no, actually i did not

clean file mode with dvdd 3540 (no error/warning messages)

hc as well as cce270 were used for alienS and cce270 for alien3

same points where the movie stops for alienS - standalone player will play further when fast forward is used - with hc as well as the cce encodings

i will try dvdfab decrypter now for extraction and try again, even though i dont expect any changes, as no output so far was working

[FilipeAmadeuO]

I encoded the Alien Quadriology (R2) with DVD Rebuilder and CCE 2.70.02.00 and everything went ok.
I used one pass encoding and plays in every player that i tested and no problem when fast-forwarding.

[Trahald]

I saw this issue with 4.0 i was going to try again before reporting since just to see if it wasnt anything i did (i did no preprocessing) this was with terminator2 ue(r1) disk1.. the spot about 16 mins in when the new terminator sees the kids parents for the first time. a little after the father opens the door the ilvu section ends.. right at that point it sticks.. i let it sit for like 10 mins... fast foward starts things up again.. the other ilvu sections seem fine. this is on my apex 1100w. the bad spot plays fine on software players.
this is while playing the extended version branch

im gonna try it again tonight/tomorrow with 5.1 and report back..

[DK]

all encoded titles run fine with powerdvd6 as well

but it's three titles so far that have more than one point where playback freezes in the *special editon* not the theatrical version

[Trahald]

i reriped and ran rb 5.1 against t2 ue r1 and it froze in the same spot. it also freezes at the end of vobid 21.

[jdobbs]

I have that disc. I'll give it a try.

[DK]

I'll give it a try.

any new insights so far?

no matter what i tried, all alien titles froze numerous times

[Msc_Alex]

I think aliens made these disks, this is my disk ( has no Interleaving or angles)
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5209/alien2dutchfront2bk.th.jpg (http://img369.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alien2dutchfront2bk.jpg)
Rebuilder fails (have to look up the error but it was different with the last version)
If you look at the struckture:
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2503/structure7ls.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=structure7ls.jpg)
VTS 1 and VTS 4 contain almost the same slide show, but opening VTS_01_0.ifo gives this:
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5552/ifoedit0xj.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ifoedit0xj.jpg)
Seem like i am the owner of a multi layer disk

[edit] fun part is that it plays (original) in only 1 of my 2 standalone dvdplayers

[DK]

the alien quadrilogy all have multiangle/interleaving
there's the director's cut + theatrical version on each dvd

[Msc_Alex]

the alien quadrilogy all have multiangle/interleaving
there's the director's cut + theatrical version on each dvd
Yes on the special edition (http://www.dvdshop.nl/Website/Product.asp?ProdID=5999&CategoryID=18) (2 disk) Released 24-03-2004
I have this (http://www.dvdshop.nl/Website/Product.asp?ProdID=14009&CategoryID=18) one.

[jdobbs]

All I have to work with are the Quadrilogy NTSC versions. I've done them numerous times as I was using them for testing.... they all work correctly.

[doomer2]

Just an update. I just upgraded to 0.95 and redid an encode of Taxi R1, and it still seems to have playback problems in WinDVD. Seems to work ok in PowerDVD and the standalone player.

[jdobbs]

What kind of playback problems?

[sw01]

First post; First non user/media related problem possibly...
The movie is Birthday Girl
DD'd movie in file mode; default settings; no errors
DVD-RB 1.0.1 movie only mode; create ISO
DD'd iso to Maxell Japanese media
The disc plays fine on the computer
Fails on standalones; one(Sony) skips ~4 minutes; one(Panasonic) exits

[jdobbs]

Welcome to the forum!

What region is this disc?

[sw01]

Thanks!
It's region 1 and I still have the directories intact.
The failure occurs about a minute or so into the movie

[jdobbs]

I'll pick it up today and give it a try.

Could you please put the following into a ZIP file and forward to dvd-rb@dvd-rb.com? It will help me in determining what went wrong.

1. REBUILDER.INI, located in the DVD-RB directory
2. REBUILDER.INF, located in D2VAVS directory
3. REBUILDER.LOG, located in the working directory
4. A listing of the D2VAVS directory. (if possible)

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

@sw01

I appreciate your sending the information.

Well I bought this disc and ran it with the settings from your INI file. I checked the directory listing you sent me against the output created by my own run and they match exactly. I also compared the resulting INF file against the one you sent me, and they match. I then burned the resulting ISO file to a blank and tested it on three players -- it plays back without any problems.

Have you tried burning it again to eliminate the possiblity of a media error?

I will continue to test it and see if I find anything strange.

Thanks.

[sw01]

@jdobbs

I had ripped, encoded and burned twice with the same results before reporting.

[HKT3020_1]

While we are on the discussion of mult-angles, I've been wondering if anyone or if perhaps you yourself Jdobbs has managed to create a working backup of Spiderman 2 Disc 2?

[Rippraff]

@sw01

Did you use different media on the second attempt?

Cu Rippraff

[jdobbs]

While we are on the discussion of mult-angles, I've been wondering if anyone or if perhaps you yourself Jdobbs has managed to create a working backup of Spiderman 2 Disc 2?Yes. I have done the R1 version of Spiderman 2 (Discs 1 and 2) and I tested it thoroughly.