Nero Digital supported DVD Player now available

[Razorblade2000]

December 07, 2004 08:02 AM US Eastern Timezone

Nero Digital Supported DVD Player Now Available - A Premiere In Home Movie Entertainment; The first DVD player in the world to play back Nero Digital files to be launched today

KARLSBAD, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 7, 2004--Ahead Software, leaders in digital media technology, in collaboration with Siemssen & Co. GmbH, specialists for technical consumer goods, today announced the launch of an innovative new DVD player, the first ever to support video files in the Nero Digital format for use in home movies. Nero Digital(TM), co-developed by Ahead and Ateme, is the first complete MPEG-4 audio and video solution for home entertainment and CE devices. Siemssen and Ahead have jointly developed a hardware product that can now display video files coded in Nero Digital (MPEG-4) straight onto your TV screen in the same high quality you've come to expect.


The "SCO 5000ND" DVD player is now available at www.siemssen-resale.de for EUR 99.00.

TV premiere for Nero Recode video files

All you need to do to experience Nero Digital file formats "Live" on TV is to follow these three simple steps: First, install the Nero Recode CE DVD transcoding software that comes with the package on your PC, then convert the existing video files into Nero Digital format and finally burn them onto a CD or DVD. They are now ready to play back on the newly developed DVD player. The encoding process simultaneously reduces the films to a fraction of their original file size, with almost no apparent loss in quality.

"Personal" home movies - simple to use and without restriction

In addition to current standard functions and video file support, such as MP3, JPEG, VCD and SVCD, the "SCO 5000ND" DVD player manufactured by Siemssen also supports the playback of DVD audio files. The integration of Nero Digital offers enormous advantages, such as the support for various audio languages and subtitles. The latter can be retrieved using the same navigation buttons as those used to play back a standard DVD. In addition, the device is equipped with an AC3 Decoder as well as a YUV Output to enable full-screen reproduction (Progressive Scan) via video projectors, and plasma or LCD screens. The attractively designed slimline casing also offers other special features, such as a 5-in-1 card reader for all standard memory cards that allows MP3 files or even photo files to be visualized straight onto your TV screen. The product also supports DivX and Xvid playback functions, as well as the Nero Digital function.

"By combining the Nero Recode CE software with our devices, we now offer the complete solution for archiving video files in the best possible quality" stated Roberto Cataneo, Head of Digital Product Development at Siemssen, "We are very happy to have had the chance to collaborate with Ahead on developing our DVD products to include the Nero Digital standard profile in the last few months, thus allowing us to establish the first ever device of its kind on the market."

For additional information on Nero Digital, please visit www.nerodigital.com.

About Ahead

On the global digital media market Ahead Software offers the most reliable CD/DVD-software applications in the entire industrial segment. Since the company was founded in 1995 its leading product, Nero, has established a loyal clientele of more than 160 million users throughout the world.

Ahead's award-winning flagship product, Nero 6, provides an all-in-one comprehensive digital media solution. Ahead's product line also includes Nero Digital(TM) - audio/video technology, the new Nero PhotoShow Elite - the easy and complete photo solution, SIPPS - VoIP, and across - professional computer aided translation software. Ahead distributes its products globally through world's leading drive manufacturers and PC makers, as well as leading worldwide retailers, online partners, and also directly to consumers at www.nero.com. Ahead Software AG is headquartered in Karlsbad, Germany, with its subsidiaries Ahead Software Inc. located in Glendale, California, USA and Ahead Software K.K. located in Yokohama, Japan.

About Ateme

Ateme is headquartered in France (www.ateme.com). It is a world leading providers of hardware and software solutions for video and signal processing in embedded market. Ateme delivers custom services on top of its boards and algorithms. Since 2002, Ateme centers its strategy on applicative reference designs which targets the specific markets of video-security, broadcast and consumer electronics. The result to OEM is a faster product design, a shorter time to market and total costs reduction. Ateme operates worldwide thanks to its distribution network.

About Siemssen

Siemssen is a service provider, specializing in technical consumer goods and based in Hamburg, Germany, that can look back on a very long corporate history (founded in 1846). Siemssen is one of the leading service providers for diverse brand names in Europe and is considered by those in the know to be the technological pioneer of digital end devices. For further information, please visit our homepage at www.siemssen.de

Nero(R) is a registered trademark, InCD is a trademark of Ahead Software AG. Any other product names are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners. (C) 2004 Ahead Software. All rights reserved.


source:
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20041207005382&newsLang=en

[bond]

nice to see finally .mp4 and aac audio support on hardware players :)
i assume it uses the ess chipset (and not sigma, as sigma also supports wmv9, which would have been promoted here if supported on the player). both ess and sigma announced support for .mp4 and aac on their firmwares

still i dont like it that they only promote it as "nero digital", of course also all mpeg-4 video streams like xvid, divx5, 3ivx streams in .mp4 are now supported and also of course also all mpeg-4 aac audio .mp4 files encoded for example with the apple, real, faac, winamp aso... aac encoders can be played (not only neros stuff)!

[SeeMoreDigital]

The www.siemssen-resale.de link appears to be is down!

I'm interested in the full specification of this EUR 99.00. If it can play Recode2 encodes I would like to know if it can play 6Ch AAC and audio streams and has support for chapter selection!

Can anyone confirm?

[bond]

i wonder also if the player finally fully supports mpeg-4 asp (incl. 3wp gmc and qpel)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
i wonder also if the player finally fully supports mpeg-4 asp (incl. 3wp gmc and qpel) Good call...

If this player can support 3WP GMC and Qpel. At just Euro 99.00, it would be well worth buying!


Cheers

[Razorblade2000]

here, translation shouldn't be THAT necessary:

Abspielformate:

- Musik-CD von CD-R, CD-RW,
- DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW,
- DVD-VIDEO
- DVD-AUDIO
- MP-3, WMA,
- Photo CD (JPEG-Format),
- VCD, S-VCD,
- DivX, Xvid,
- Nero-Digital (Standard Profil)

System:

- Progressive Scan
- Speicherkartenleser für MMC, SD, MS, SM und CF
- Stummschaltung via Fernbedienung
- Lautstärkenregelung via Fernbedienung
- MP3/ WMA ID 3 Tag V1.1 (Anzeige Titel und Interpret) werden über OSD angezeigt
- Display: 7 dot Matrix LCD Display
- Netzschalter

Audio:

- 192kHz/24 Bit Audio D/A Wandler
- eingebauter Dolby-Digital (AC-3) Decoder
- DTS Mehrkanal-Tonsystem (Pass through)

Anschlüsse:

- EURO AV Scartbuchse
- 5.1 AC-3
- S-Video Buchse
- Progressive Scan Ausgang
- Digitaler optischer Ausgang
- Digitaler coaxialer Ausgang
- Audio out x 2 (Cinch) über AC-3 Decoder
- Video out x 1
- 3,5 mm Kopfhöreranschluß, regelbar

DVD Funktionen:


- Regionalcode 2
- Start / Stop / Pause / Skip vorwärts / Skip rückwärts
- Direktanwahl von Titel / Kapitel / Zeit
- Standbild
- Bildvorlauf / Rücklauf in 5 Geschwindigkeiten (2-, 4-, 8-, 16- und 32-fach)
- Zeitlupe vor-/rückwärts
- Wiederholen: durch Markierung zweier Punkte auf DVD wird Sequenz fortlaufend wiederholt
- Wiederholung von Titel und Kapitel
- Winkelfunktion: verändert dieKameraperspektive
- Untertitel: auf Wunsch kann Untertitel in bis zu 32 Sprachen eingeblendet werden
- Multi-Sprach-Funktion: wählt zwischen max. 8 Sprachen des Filmes
- Zoomfunktion
- OSD-Bildschirmmenü in deutscher Sprache
- Kindersicherung (je nach DVD Vorgabe)
- Bildformate: 16:9, 4:3 - L Box / Pan and Scan
- Lautstärkenkontrolle / Pegelkontrolle im Audio-Set Menü
- Direktanwahl einer Filmszene über Eingabe der genauen Stunde/ Minute
- PBC (Play Back Control) für VCD

CD-Funktionen:


- Play, Stop, Pause
- Skip vorwärts / rückwärts
- Schneller Vor- u. Rücklauf
- Wiederholung Lied / ganze CD
- Programmierung der Abspielreihenfolge CD/MP3
- Random Play
- Direktanwahl eines Titels
- Preset Equalizer Mode für Stereosignale von VCD/S-VCD/CD/ MP3/ WMA


Zubehör:


- Infrarot Fernbedienung
- Marken-Batterien
- Verbindungskabel Scart auf Scart
- Nero Recode CE Software für den PC (zum Erstellen der Nero Digital Inhalte)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Does anybody here know what "Nero-Digital (Standard Profil)" amounts too?

I'm also concerned that AAC audio is not mentioned or the MP4 container?


Cheers

[thegeby]

As for MP4, it is the standard Nero Digital container, but the audio in the standard profile seems to be LC-AAC

[Doom9]

I've asked the marketing people from Nero who sent me the press release about the chipset used in the player. So far no response :(

[bond]

indeed very strange that aac isnt mentioned... talking about aac, i assume that most players (at least the first ones) will only support lc-aac and not he-aac (of course he-aac is backwards compatible and will be playable on the player, but not with full quality)

afaik nero defines different profiles for usage of their encoders, similar to how dxn defined "divx profiles", not matching official mpeg-4 profiles
therefore i speculate that neros standard profile doesnt include qpel and gmc (so that nerodigital is compatible with even the crappiest player), but as i said, thats only speculation from my side

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hopefully, this player will offer similar play back capabilities to that of the Momitsu V880N: -

http://img64.exs.cx/img64/2627/Momitsu_V880N_Player_Infomation.gif

Cheers

[thegeby]

Looking at the manual of the Nero Digital beast, it supports a flashcard reader. This makes me believe that it is based on the ESS Vibratto S, not the Vibratto II. This chip is AAC capable (LC only?)

This one? (http://www.esstech.com/products/AVplayer/Prod_Briefs/pb6178.pdf)

[Skuto]

You can set a profile, and then look at what settings are possible in "Expert mode"

LC AAC is enabled, but quarterpixel and GMC are disabled, in "Standard" profile.

(Stricly speaking, it's possible that the player does support them, but can only claim "Standard" profile conformance because it doesn't support the max resolution of Cinema profile. Edit: That seems to be the case.)

[Doom9]

looks like it's not a crappy ESS chipset after all. The test in https://www.siemssen-resale.de/shop/out/oxbaseshop/html/0/images/Presse_AudioVision_0105_DVDsiemss.pdf says it uses the Zoran Vaddis 8 chipset. At first I thought this can't be and I'm still sceptical.. but I found two references on the web that the Vaddis 8 will be out by the end of the year:

http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=4687185&tid=sigm&sid=4687185&mid=79341
http://www.nextgenres.com/research/secure/technology_semiconductor/Zoran%202Q04%20EPS%20Raising%20Estimates%20July%2027,%202004.pdf

Though, the yahoo article mentions that Vaddis 8 does WMV9.. and the player doesn't support WMV9, does it? So it seems unlikely that a chipset that can handle WMV9 is used but that feature is not advertised at all. And the vaddis 8 probably also can handle HD resolutions. But perhaps they meant to write Vaddis 7.

Does anyone know the mag where this test was taken from so that they could be contacted for clarification?

[thegeby]

The graphic display at the bottom of page 2 of the test is not from any ESS chip, AFAIK.

[Skuto]

Seems to be AudioVision from Germany:

http://www.audiovision.de/

[SeeMoreDigital]

I echo your scepticism Doom9.

If it is supposed to be a NeroDigital supported player, why is there no mention of AAC and MP4?

Sadly... the information is all a little too "iffy" for me to get excited about :(


Cheers

[Skuto]

The player does support MP4 and AAC.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Skuto
The player does support MP4 and AAC. Can you confirm how you know this please?

I'm a little confused... because I would have assumed some of the NeroDigital team forum members would be raving over it!


Cheers

[thegeby]

SMD f it is supposed to be a NeroDigital supported player, why is there no mention of AAC and MP4?

I don't think we need to be that pessimistic. For one thing, Nero issued a press release touting the player.:p

[Skuto]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Can you confirm how you know this please?



It can't claim NeroDigital support without supporting MP4 ASP(*) Video, MP4 file container, AAC, and the ND subtitle and chapter formats.

(*) usual caveats about qpel and gmc apply


I assume it doesn't mention it specifically because those things above don't mean much to the average customer, hence the NeroDigital brand & profiles.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by thegeby
SMD

I don't think we need to be that pessimistic. For one thing, Nero issued a press release touting the player.:p Originally posted by Skuto
It can't claim NeroDigital support without supporting MP4 ASP(*) Video, MP4 file container, AAC, and the ND subtitle and chapter formats.

(*) usual caveats about qpel and gmc apply

I assume it doesn't mention it specifically because those things above don't mean much to the average customer, hence the NeroDigital brand & profiles. Sadly I do get a little sceptical about such matters...

I agree the average customer doesn't understand about the technicalities but I feel that's still no excuse not to mention AAC and MP4 in the "spec sheet".


Cheers

[Zhnujm]

The screenshot from the menu really looks like a Zoran based player.


--edit
Seems its a Zoran Vaddis 776 chipset, somebody at another forum asked Siemsen about it. So that would mean no 3 Warp-Point GMC, but Qpel+DivX-GMC.
I would buy it if i could pay with my credit card...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
--edit
Seems its a Zoran Vaddis 776 chipset, somebody at another forum asked Siemsen about it. So that would mean no 3 Warp-Point GMC, but Qpel+DivX-GMC.Bummer!

Originally posted by Zhnujm
--I would buy it if i could pay with my credit card... So would I... If I could pay with your credit card :D


Cheers

[Doom9]

the menu also strangely reminded me of my cyberhome player (which is vaddis 7 based). Though you can take MP4 support as a given since NeroDigital is supported. I can't properly see which ND logo is on the player though and I have yet to find the list of which certification includes which features.. that'd certainly tell us more about what features the player has.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I've just made a post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=579513#post579513), asking about NeroDigital's "Profiles"!

Lets hope we get some answerers :)


Cheers

[bond]

hum, no 3wp gmc support (which means i wont buy it) :(

but interesting to know that there is a fourth mpeg-4 chip producer around used in players (assuming that vaddis is not from ess, sigma or mediatek) and that it supports .mp4 on its firmware :)

Originally posted by Doom9
Though, the yahoo article mentions that Vaddis 8 does WMV9.. and the player doesn't support WMV9, does it? So it seems unlikely that a chipset that can handle WMV9 is used but that feature is not advertised at all.hm, to my knowledge older chipsets for example also already supported aac decoding, but it never has been enabled by the player manufacturers because of the licensing payments.
so i think that this could be the reason here too: siemsen thought that it wouldnt be worth paying the wmv9 licenses necessary (and probably wma9 licensing would be than necessary too), in contrary to only adding aac licensing (as .mp4 is license free)

[Doom9]

Zoran makes the Vaddis chipsets ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
...hm, to my knowledge older chipsets for example also already supported aac decoding, but it never has been enabled by the player manufacturers because of the licensing payments. A good reason why we need some really clever people to create "private" firmware upgrades for stand-alones!


Cheers

[CruNcher]

there allready people that work on this but it needs time alot has been allready achived so be patient ;)

[rernst]

Careful literature of https://www.siemssen-resale.de/shop/out/oxbaseshop/html/1/images/Presse_AudioVision_0105_DVDsiemss.pdf shows that the player uses the 'Vaddis 8' Zoran chip. (If my German serves me well) ..

/re

Originally posted by bond
nice to see finally .mp4 and aac audio support on hardware players :)
i assume it uses the ess chipset (and not sigma, as sigma also supports wmv9, which would have been promoted here if supported on the player). both ess and sigma announced support for .mp4 and aac on their firmwares

still i dont like it that they only promote it as "nero digital", of course also all mpeg-4 video streams like xvid, divx5, 3ivx streams in .mp4 are now supported and also of course also all mpeg-4 aac audio .mp4 files encoded for example with the apple, real, faac, winamp aso... aac encoders can be played (not only neros stuff)!

[rernst]

Originally posted by rernst
Careful literature of https://www.siemssen-resale.de/shop/out/oxbaseshop/html/1/images/Presse_AudioVision_0105_DVDsiemss.pdf shows that the player uses the 'Vaddis 8' Zoran chip. (If my German serves me well) ..

Darn - just noticed this was already answered ...

/re

[telemachus]

hello there,

i just downloaded th pdf manual and saw no mention of mpeg4 subtitles, so i dont know if it is suppored, anyone else know?

also it said the player was limited to zone 2 and zone 0, ie it would not play disks from other parts of the world. Is this limitation ALWAYS easily overcome, or is it something to be wary of.

i'm thinking of getting the yamada 6700 after the new year, but this one caught my eye. Anyone have insight either way? My MPEG4 files are all downloaded, so there is a very wide range of codecs I would like to play.

Thanks,

mark.

[Doom9]

If it's based on the Vaddis 7 chipset, chances are that you can set the region via a hidden menu.

My MPEG4 files are all downloaded, so there is a very wide range of codecs I would like to play.Uh, there's only so much legit MPEG-4 content out there.. aren't you chartering into illegal waters?

[telemachus]

illegal waters?

rub a dub-dub

there's a lot of things that float my boat.

[bourtzovlakas]

According to Siemssen support,their player supports GMC,Qpel and *.srt subtitles in Mpeg4 ASP(DivX,Xvid)....

[SeeMoreDigital]

Quite obviously, what we need from Siemssen is a far more detailed specification for this player. It's a ridiculous situation for us all to scrapping about for information about this!

We have several "NeroDigital Team" members of this forum, surly some of them must have seen or used this player. Maybe one of them can pass comment?


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

It does indeed seem that the Siemssen SCO 500 ND (pictured below): -

http://img61.exs.cx/img61/6469/scodvd50008ko.jpg

....uses an Zoran-Chip: -

http://img91.exs.cx/img91/6263/alditevion5000platine9pk.jpg


As some of you may already be aware, this player appears to be the same as the Tevion DVD-5000: -

http://img61.exs.cx/img61/2438/alditevion50000yz.jpg

For more information about the Tevion player, please look here (http://www.de.tomshardware.com/firstlook/20041218/index.html).

Dispite all this though, I still could not find any confirmation that this player supports Mpeg4/AAC in MP4....


Cheers

[thegeby]

this player appears to be the same as the Tevion DVD-5000

...except that we do not know if the Tevion is ND capable. Probably not, as both are from Siemssen and the Tevion costs €70.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Yes, I guess it's impossible to tell for sure...

...especially as Siemssen has not, as yet, provided a detailed specification for their player and none of the NeroDigital guys have posted information either.

Plus of course, nobody here on Doom9 seems to have bought one and taken some photo's of it's insides!

Therefore we are left to speculate ;)

On a more positive note, if both the Siemssen and the Tevion share the same innards, it should be possible for the Tevion to do what the Siemssen can do!


Cheers

[Skuto]

I actually did buy one and am still waiting for it to arrive.

Not taking it apart though, bought it as a present :)

[Skuto]

The player arrived 31/12, just in time to be given as a present. That also meant I didn't have time to take it apart, though, so still no idea what chipset. But I was able to play with it a bit nevertheless.

It got supplied with a small manual, Nero Recode CE, and some basic cabling. I didn't try Nero Recode CE since I already have the full Nero suite, and the person I gave it to doesn't even have a CD writer :-P. Cabling is ok, the manual doesn't really touch upon all the capabilities of the player, though, which is not nice if someone not familiar with the tech buys it.

I fed it what I had at that point, which was a CD case with random encodes.

NeroDigital Standard (also MPEG, Qpel, HE-AAC minus HE) and XviD (also MPEG, Qpel, MP3 and AC3 audio, SRT subtitles) all worked perfectly. I did not have files with multichannel audio with me.

DivX 4/5 I didn't seem to have any, but the player has a DivX certification mark, so I assume that will work fine as well.

DivX 3.11 some worked fine, some badly (stuttering/sync issues), some not at all.

I had some (S)VCD stored on DVD as MPEG files, it played those too, though it didn't upscale properly, and upon zooming in, the subtitles partly fell of. Was still watchable, though. Didn't have any "real" (S)VCD, though the player has a certification mark for them, so again they should just work.

CD's with MP3's it played, also VBR. It should support WMA too, but again I didn't have any of those along. It plays .MP4 audio files too, but as videos without video :) Worked fine otherwhise, though. .M4A files it didn't even want to list.

It can also display JPEG, which is nice because there's a card reader supporting almost everything built-in. I was able to play movies from an SD card.

I was actually also able to play a movie clip encoded with ND GMC, but I've since been informed that enabling GMC doesn't necessarily mean it will also get used, especially on a short clip. So even though it played the clip without problems I can't say for sure whether the player really supports that, though.

All in all I'm was very happy with it. Video looked excellent, TV seems to mask MPEG4 artifacts much better than an LCD does, so even the low bitrate encodes looked great.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Skuto,

Can you confirm which player/model number you purchased please?

Also, I'm interested to know whether the players 6Ch analogue audio outputs work. Can you download some of the 6Ch audio files (from my web site (http://www.SeeMoreDigital.net/51_Test_Encodes/51_AV_Setup_Test_Files.html)) and give them a try?

There's also a couple of very short NTSC (720x480) Mpeg4 "test cards" with DAR signalling in .AVI and .MP4.... However, they might be too short to test whether the player's supports PAR/DAR flags!


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by Skuto
DivX 3.11 some worked fine, some badly (stuttering/sync issues), some not at all.you might want to try converting the stuttering ones to real iso mpeg-4 with this tool (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85229) (its does this losslessly, so no quality lost!)

CD's with MP3's it played, also VBR. It should support WMA too, but again I didn't have any of those along. It plays .MP4 audio files too, but as videos without video :) Worked fine otherwhise, though. .M4A files it didn't even want to list..you maybe want to try .mp4 files with mp3 and mp2 audio too? you can mux these into .mp4 with the mp4creator tool from mpeg4ip (available on rarewares or from celtic_druid)

also note that .m4a files are simply rename .mp4 files. its save to simply "re-rename" them

I was actually also able to play a movie clip encoded with ND GMC, but I've since been informed that enabling GMC doesn't necessarily mean it will also get used, especially on a short clip. So even though it played the clip without problems I can't say for sure whether the player really supports that, though.thats very interesting, because ND uses 3warppoint GMC (as xvid) does, which isnt supported on any chip till... divx5 uses only 1warppoint gmc which works on some chips

maybe you want to encode a xvid clip using gmc too, to check whether it really works

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
...thats very interesting, because ND uses 3warppoint GMC (as xvid) does, which isnt supported on any chip till... divx5 uses only 1warppoint gmc which works on some chips

maybe you want to encode a xvid clip using gmc too, to check whether it really works This is indeed wierd... I've just managed to play a short NeroDigital clip with 3WP GMC encode using my Xcard. The Mpeg4 stream worked fine, in ether the .AVI or .MP4 container!

And 3WP GMC is definitely in there: -

http://img66.exs.cx/img66/8348/nd3wpgmc1wj.gif

When I tried doing the same with XviD's 3WP GMC implementation, the Mpeg4 stream just, stops and starts and stops and starts!

http://img66.exs.cx/img66/3618/xvid3wpgmc8kb.gif


Cheers

[bond]

well the xcard is something different than the chip used in that player

i would love to know whether the player is indeed able to play 3wp gmc ND, but not/or indeed 3wp Xvid, cause than there might indeed be a bug in xvid's gmc (but as all the different software decoders handle xvids gmc, i dont think so)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
well the xcard is something different than the chip used in that player

i would love to know whether the player is indeed able to play 3wp gmc ND, but not/or indeed 3wp Xvid, cause than there might indeed be a bug in xvid's gmc (but as all the different software decoders handle xvids gmc, i dont think so) Well.... I've tried many XviD builds and their 3WP GMC implementations have never worked with my Xcard, but neither have any of XviD's B-VOP implementations either ;)

It's certainly a strange one! Arrrrrh... the joys of Mpeg4 :D


Cheers

[bond]

harhar :D

[Skuto]

The player was the Siemssen SCO 5000.

I will try some more stuff next time I have access to it (weekend).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi bond,

Seriously though. If the Siemssen SCO 5000 player and the Xcard can play NeroDigital 3WP GMC encodes, it may indeed be worth exploring, how and why this can be done!

...And this is coming from someone who don't even like encoding with GMC ;)


Cheers