[Update] Nero 6.6.0.6 / Nero Recode 2.2.6.9 released (includes MPEG-4 AVC/H.264)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
I'm impressed. Need to "recode" all my DVDs... I'm currently in the process of "backing up" Terminator 3 (105min) to an 800MB file!

I'm using the slowest/highest quality 2pass AVC settings and I've just broken thru' 13hour 13min barrier... with another 247 mins to go :D

I reckon It's still faster than WMV9's slowest/highest quality 2pass setting....


Cheers

[LRDX]

Originally posted by Soulhunter
Have you selected this (http://img123.exs.cx/img123/7194/4b-01.png) mode ???


Bye

I've got no such mode... Only theese (http://ural2.hszk.bme.hu/~dr420/recode.jpg). :mad::confused:

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by LRDX
I've got no such mode... Only theese (http://ural2.hszk.bme.hu/~dr420/recode.jpg). :mad::confused:
Uninstall NVE and reinstall it.

[nicco]

is Nero recode 6.6 the same? (I think vision and recode are included)

Ok, sorry I meant
"is nero reloaded 6.6 the same?"

but you arleady told me:)

[mezzanine]

I just encoded a small clip with 1500 kbits/sec, the quality is amazing!

[Sharktooth]

Blah... i can no longer encode...
every source i try it says "Burning process failed"...
Logfile:


Project type: Nero Digital
Target size: Custom (358400)

14:56:00 File LangStreamPatcher.cpp, Line 56
Command table patching started...

14:56:00 File LangStreamPatcher.cpp, Line 133
All tables successfully patched!

Burn settings:
Target: Hard disk folder
Number of copies: 1
Target folder: C:\Documents and Settings\Ebola\Desktop (2217295872 bytes free)
NeroDigital profile: Maximum Definition - AVC
Shutdown when finished: false
Advanced Analysis: false
Compress Adaptive: false

14:56:06 File burn_ndigital.cpp, Line 158
NeroDigital: init

14:56:06 File burn_ndigital.cpp, Line 269
NeroDigital: burning 3805 sectors (3805 required)

14:56:06 File burn_ndigital.cpp, Line 343
NeroDigital: beginning 1st-pass operation

14:56:06 File burn_ndigital.cpp, Line 697
NeroDigital: encode sp2tr

Source:
Size (720,384)
Display Aspect Ratio (720,384)
Deinterlace disabled
Cropping enabled (0, 0, 0, 0)
Resizing enabled (560,304)
Pixel ratio (1,1)
Bitrate: 501400 bps

14:56:06 File burn_ndigital.cpp, Line 722
Nth-pass file = C:\DOCUME~1\Ebola\IMPOST~1\Temp\\sp2tra03640.bin

ERROR in file:E:\Sources\Current\Recode 2.2\Nero Recode II\directshow\utils.cpp, line:566, error:Il tipo di supporto di questo file non è riconosciuto.(0x80040240)
ERROR in file:E:\Sources\Current\Recode 2.2\Nero Recode II\directshow\utils.cpp, line:566, error:Impossibile caricare il filtro di origine per il file.(0x80040241)
ERROR in file:E:\Sources\Current\Recode 2.2\Nero Recode II\burning\../directshow/DSError.h, line:120, error:Interfaccia non registrata. (0x80040154)
14:56:07 File burn_ndigital.cpp, Line 200
NeroDigital: exit
It cant recognize the "support" and it cant load the DS filter... weird.
Help?

[vio_man]

Originally posted by LRDX
I've got no such mode... Only theese (http://ural2.hszk.bme.hu/~dr420/recode.jpg). :mad::confused:

You have to enter a NeroDigital serial to enable NeroDigital features.

[netchris]

First tests and I am amazed. Easily the best codec out there (for my needs at least).
At low bitrates using adaptive deblocking gives a more detailed picture at the cost of some blocks here and there.
Also I got a video with a lot of snow and vibrant blue-red colors at times, where nero gives a very blocky image. I thought blocks where because of bframes or psychovisual options but disabling them didnt help.

Sorry for the noob question, how can I take some pictures of frames of the videos produced? Vdub cant open the videos, and as always prtscrean doesnt work.

[chilledoutuk]

you can just disable hardware acceleration on your grphics card then you ahould be able to take screen grabs using print screen.

[digidragon]

Is it possible without Nero Recode installed to view an AVC encoding. If so, do you need a codec, and where do you get it from?

[chilledoutuk]

You can use VLC media player to play these avc files as long as bidirectional and weighted prediction arnt used.

Im not sure if the nero media player needs a license if it doesent then you could use that.

[chilledoutuk]

one thing that is a little anoying is not being able to set whether or not qpel or halfpel is used. Some people dont like the effect qpel has it would have been nice to be able to set this somewhere.

[acidsex]

I am beside myself. This codec is amazing. I wish encoding time was faster but man, the quality is worth the time. is it me or do I get the better quality and file size with H.264 than I would have using ASP?

Im starting to think that the Nero Suite I purchased last year was probably the smartest purchase I have ever made.

[digidragon]

Originally posted by chilledoutuk
You can use VLC media player to play these avc files as long as bidirectional and weighted prediction arnt used.
I've no idea if they're used or not - I can't find any options for that. I encoded using the AVC Maximun Definition profile, and VLC just crashes as soon as it loads the file.

[slavickas]

Originally posted by chilledoutuk
one thing that is a little anoying is not being able to set whether or not qpel or halfpel is used. Some people dont like the effect qpel has it would have been nice to be able to set this somewhere.
iirc qpel in h264 is allways on, probably encoder could do just hpel motion search, but that way bits are wasted

Originally posted by digidragon
I've no idea if they're used or not - I can't find any options for that. I encoded using the AVC Maximun Definition profile, and VLC just crashes as soon as it loads the file.

which ver? 0.8.1 can't normally decode with b frames but won't crash

[superdump]

Originally posted by acidsex
I wish encoding time was faster but man, the quality is worth the time.

bobololo and testers agreed that multiref didn't provide much of an improvement in quality, as such due to the hugely increased encoding time when using more references we seemed to reach a consensus that 1 reference frame was usually fine. Ahead however wanted to get the best video quality so they went for multiref = 5. Reduce this to 1 and you should see a fair increase in speed. Also, if you're encoding longer clips the first pass will be a lot faster because of a slightly different method used for the analysis pass.

I'm just testing it out on some 1920x1080@29.97fps video to see how it fairs. :)

[digidragon]

Originally posted by slavickas
which ver? 0.8.1 can't normally decode with b frames but won't crash
0.7.2... but I just updated to 0.8.1. It didn't crash, but it's virtually unwatchable.

So is there any way to watch an AVC encoding without having Recode installed...?

[chilledoutuk]

sometimes i feel like im talking to myself on here.........

@digidragon you have to deselect the bidirectional and weighted prediction features for the video to playback ok in the latest vlc.

[PlazzTT]

Does anyone have some high-resolution encoded samples of us?

This codec is great, and plays back great for me in Media Player Classic with the Nero Decoder.

[weiqj]

I have a nero6 ULTRA EDITION CD, probably OEM version. I tried to upgrade the installation. However, the recoder always complains about missing encoder/decoder plug-ins. Any solution to this problem? Thanks!

[digidragon]

Originally posted by chilledoutuk
@digidragon you have to deselect the bidirectional and weighted prediction features for the video to playback ok in the latest vlc.
You mean during encoding or during playback?

Like I said, there are very few options that I can see in Recode.

[LostMP4]

Removed serial, uninstalled, rebooted and reinstalled. It finally works.

A question for beta testers af the AVC codec: the "present" from Ahead was a Nero 6 serial (not Ultra Edition), is the same for you?

[chilledoutuk]

ok look you should see options like this

http://www.aoul98.dsl.pipex.com/avc.gif

[digidragon]

Originally posted by chilledoutuk
ok look your should see options like this
I've got it now. Thanks for your patience ;)

Trying another encode now...

[weiqj]

I realized my Nero ULTRA OEM doesn't include the license for vision express. So I was gonna buy an upgrade from their website @$50. But the website was down!

[IgorC]

is GOP like a max keyframe interval? i put 360-400 instead of 300(default).
Ok. I can say only : DAS ist SEHR gut!! :)

[acidsex]

Heres a new question. Is thereanyway to control the frame rate? Reasonbeing is I do video editing tutorials that use a low frame rate (3-5 fps) and this would be awesome to use for that.

[Latexxx]

Originally posted by acidsex
Heres a new question. Is thereanyway to control the frame rate? Reasonbeing is I do video editing tutorials that use a low frame rate (3-5 fps) and this would be awesome to use for that.
I believe that it uses whatever frame rate you feed it with.

[EnergeticBence]

Looks amazing

So what's up with not able to use custom quant matrices? Or is that in the AVC spec too?

[SeeMoreDigital]

My 720x576 800MB T3 AVC encode has finished encoding. And when compared the XviD encode I generated a few weeks ago, the differences are very apparent :eek:

Okay it took a long time to generate but it was well worth the wait.

Very, very nice work indeed.


Cheers

[Manao]

No custom matrices, it's not part of AVC main profile.

[Latexxx]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
My 720x576 800MB T3 AVC encode has finished encoding. And when compared the XviD encode I generated a few weeks ago, the differences are very apparent :eek:
Can you post some samples (still frames or short video clips if you can somehow cut it)?

[el_rico]

Hello,

I am just trying it. It is slow, but I have to admit that since I do not know exactly the meaning of the different options, I have turned everything to "on", except for psycho visual enhancements.

Could someone here bring light to the different options, the influence on the results (for example listing them from the most worth to the least one if this makes sense). I in particular do not know whatr "CABAC", "Macroblock partitions" and "Weighted prediction" are. Also, even though I know what "Deblocking" is about, I do not know if it is worth using it (for example for high bitrates).

Thanks!

[Manao]

CABAC : change the way the data is stored. It's a far better way of stocking information, and it doesn't change the visual result while reducing bitrate by 10 % ( compared to the method used if it's disabled ). Drawback : slightly more complicated to encode / decode ( meaning, slightly slower ). I'd turn it on always.

Partition : h264 base unit is the macroblock ( 16x16 pixels square ). Partition allows to cut these macroblocs in 4 8x8 or 2 16x8 or 2 8x16 blocks for the motion compensation ( meaning each block will have it's motion vectors ). More complicated, there again, but it increase quality while reducing bitrate. There again, turn it on.

Weighted prediction : when doing the motion compensation, instaed of just copying the block, you can apply to it an affine transform on its luma / chroma component ( if the block was pure white, for example, you could make it grey using a coefficient of 0.5 ). Really helpful on fading. Drawback : only supported by nero's decoder, afaik.

Bidirectionnal prediction : it's bframes. Drawback : not supported by VLC / ffmpeg afaik ( and yet, it will change ).

Deblocking : it depends on your taste. You should try. Usually, people tend to prefer a video with in loop deblocking, especially if the bitrate is low. But then some people could prefer sharpness over absence of blocks. It up to you. Whatever the choice, remember that it's strength adapts with the quality of the frame ( even if adaptive isn't checked, checking it only make it even more adaptive ), so high quality frames won't be hurt by deblocking.

Visual enhancements :

Cartoon : it amounts to chroma motion in XviD. It takes into account chroma when searching for motion vectors. It's a must when encoding manga / animated content ( for exemple, Finding Nemo ), and it's always good, even on classic movie content ( except black & white of course ). Drawback : it slows encoding.

Psycho visual enhancement : it's up to you to test and choose the one you prefer. But do remember that Ahead settings in this case were made considering 'high' setting was bringing the best quality. Have a look on the Ateme's beta threads to read users opinions about it.

Reference frame : as already stated previously on this thread, the more, the slower to encode. Theorically, it helps and improves quality and reduces bitrate. Practically, it's highly dependant of the content. I'd use it only if I don't care about encoding time.

Gop size : mximum interval between two keyframes

Max consecutive b-frames : speak for itself

Vector range : use the largest possible

[el_rico]

Thanks a lot!

[vio_man]

I'm currently encoding "Windtalkers" using the AVC Normal profile (2 pass encoding). All options at their default. The encode is taking long, so far about 9 hours. I want to achieve a good quality. Should I use a "lower" profile?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by vio_man
.... The encode is taking long, so far about 9 hours. I want to achieve a good quality. Should I use a "lower" profile? Finish generating your current encode... Then encode from the source again using different settings and compare them!

Only you can decide what's right for you!


Cheers

[Sharktooth]

Im still getting that damn error and i cant encode...
Can someone help me?!?

[davegould]

Selecting 'Recode DVDs and Videos to Nero Digital' then Import Titles, I can select all the VOBs ripped by DVDDecrypter, but Recode encodes them into multiple MP4s. Is there a way around this or do I need one big VOB?

[moonman]

Originally posted by davegould
Is there a way around this or do I need one big VOB?
You need to have the DVD structure intact to do that.
That means with the IFO abd BUP files. Save them in a Video_ts folder. And then choose that folder.
Then Nero should show you a "Main Title" choice. Highlight it and then click on import titles.

[b0b0b0b]

From my first short test, the results are really remarkable. It's totally transparent for me at bitrates where xvid & divx were unacceptably artifacted. Anyhow, just kicked off a full movie encode.

[Sagittaire]

Little sample:

XviD 500 Kbps is ~q8 encoding
XviD 1000 Kbps is ~q4 encoding

Sample 500 Kbps H264 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-H264-500.mp4)
Sample 500 Kbps VP6 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-VP6-500.avi)
Sample 500 Kbps RV10 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-RV10-500.rmvb)
Sample 500 Kbps WMV9 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-WMV9-500.avi)
Sample 500 Kbps XviD (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-XviD-500.avi)
Sample 500 Kbps DivX5 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-DivX5-500.avi)
Sample 500 Kbps DivX3 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-DivX3-500.avi)

Sample 1000 Kbps H264 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-H264-1000.mp4)
Sample 1000 Kbps VP6 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-VP6-1000.avi)
Sample 1000 Kbps RV10 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-RV10-1000.rmvb)
Sample 1000 Kbps WMV9 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-WMV9-1000.avi)
Sample 1000 Kbps XviD (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-XviD-1000.avi)
Sample 1000 Kbps DivX5 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-DivX5-1000.avi)
Sample 1000 Kbps DivX3 (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Sample-DivX3-1000.avi)


SSIM and bitrate equivalence:

H264 : 500 Kbps for reference
VP6 : 570 Kbps
RV10 : 640 Kbps
WMV9 : 680 Kbps
XviD : 720 Kbps
DivX5 : 760 Kbps
DivX3 : 890 Kbps

H264 : 1000 Kbps for reference
VP6 : 1090 Kbps
RV10 : 1120 Kbps
WMV9 : 1230 Kbps
XviD : 1180 Kbps
DivX5 : 1320 Kbps
DivX3 : 1610 Kbps

[SteMa]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Blah... i can no longer encode...
every source i try it says "Burning process failed"...
Logfile:

(...)

It cant recognize the "support" and it cant load the DS filter... weird.
Help?

I have the same problem, have you solved it?

ERROR in file:E:\Sources\Current\Recode 2.2\Nero Recode II\burning\../directshow/DSError.h, line:120, error:The Class is not registered (0x80040154)
12:31:15 File burn_ndigital.cpp, Line 200
NeroDigital: exit


ANYONE???

[Shuichiro]

Also did an encode on a 2h movie @ 850MB @ standard AVC Profile @ standard option and 5.1 sound. It took me 7 hours on a 1.5 centrino but the quality was amazing. I hope for good standalones for this codec. The divx stand alone Players today are often too shabby.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Im still getting that damn error and i cant encode...
Can someone help me?!? Are you "backing-up" and burning direct to CD~R?

[SteMa]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Are you "backing-up" and burning direct to CD~R?

I have the same problem as he does, and what i'm trying to do, is to encode an mpg (mpeg2, svcd, but i have the same problems with avis) to h.264, and it says something about directshow filters, what could be the problem?

[Leo 69]

As someone has already mentioned in this thread,will there be a so to say
"decoder pack" for .mp4 files created by Recode? Can someone make it?
I guess it's somehow possible to take away some .ax filters from
Nero installation,and install them separately afterwards.
Any volunteers to make it?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by SteMa
I have the same problem as he does, and what i'm trying to do, is to encode an mpg (mpeg2, svcd, but i have the same problems with avis) to h.264, and it says something about directshow filters, what could be the problem? What happens if you back-up to your hard drive first, instead of directly to CD~R?

Do you get the same errror?

[SteMa]

I'm not directly encoding to cd-r, but to hard disk :( now i'm trying to recode a full dvd to nd, but need some plugins first

[Jorgosch]

Hi all,

I have a strange problem when encoding. I choose the High Quality AVC profile, custom settings with 2-pass, 1 reference frame, CABAC, macrobloc partitions and psycho at high.

On the 2nd pass, I can preview the video, yet the result is a 27 MB mp4-file that only contains the audio.

Source files are unprotected VOBs.

Anyone run into that before?
Thanks!