EclPRO v0.52 - ProCoder support in DVD-RB (now v1.10)

[Redbacks]

Originally posted by nwg
eclPro 0.20 isn't working for me. When encoding starts the procoder screen appears but, when before the preview screen comes up, I get a C:\DVD was not found.

The working path is c:\dvd test. Is it having problems finding the c:\dvd test\D2VAVS sub directory?

The previous version works fine (was that 0.0.8?).

I'm having the same problem with ver 0.20. The previous version I had no problems with. I point the output in DVD-RB to the folder I would like it to go to. But a Procoder pop-up window appears telling me it can't find that folder. Strange....

[wmansir]

Warning: Undersizing is a sign of a major error.

It looks like the new version is chopping of the ends of some cells. I don't know why DVD-RB isn't picking up on these problems, but it is also likely why the output is very choppy/out of sync.

Legacy mode appears to not have this error, but I am receiving an EclPro error "target path not set" when I try to load the item.ecl file in legacy mode. I'm also getting this error with v0.8, which previously worked, so perhaps it has to do with the .ecl format that DVD-RB is using in EclPro mode? The funny thing is the path is set (to the drive's base directory) so I can manually encode it. I didn't receive any error with 2.0 in normal mode.

I'll have to investigate some more.

[nwg]

Mine was C:\Files\Temp and I got the same error, but I changed my working dir to C:\Files\DVD and then it worked. Maybe try changing your working dir to C:\DVD.


It worked. I changed to c:\dvd and took of the word test. So it seems it doesn't like directory names with multiple words.

[wmansir]

@robot1

In case the problem I mentined above is an NTSC thing, I have attached a .rar file contianing an .avs, .ecl file used to re-recreate this error. The .avs file has been motified to produce it's own output (colorbars with frame count), so you don't need the dvd files.

I'm using ProCoder 2.0. I also included the .pcp file incase it isn't recreated on your system.

[robot1]

@Wmansir
I'm looking at your files. Undersizing could be a major problem, so, please use v0.08 or enable "legacy mode" in EclPRO.ini. I'm working to fix it now.

Anyway there was a bug for sources with spaces in path, and it's solved. I'll post an update ASAP.

For the Working Path not set, it's a Procoder bug, and the only workaround is to encode in the root directory (and the program warns you). This bug shouldn't be present in non-legacy mode.

[robot1]

This *should* fix the NTSC issue discovered by Wmansir.

I haven't yet update the first post, because I would receive a feedback from NTSC users.
No problems for PAL.

I've also settled the problem with spaces in path.
EclPRO v0.21 test version (http://www.freewebs.com/robot1/EclPROv0.21.zip) (right click -> save target as from Explorer)


Original mode still works without problems.
If you have any problem, please change in EclPRO.ini
legacy=1

[YaoMing11]

Is this post supposed to fix the audio out of sync and undersized
issue also?

Also Im not able to download the ECLPro v.021 link by right clicking it. it says "your current security settings do not allow this file to be downloaded", but it doesn't do this with other files I try and download.

[survivant]

I had the same problem whit IE. It works with FireFox. I think the site freeweb is blocked by IE.

[survivant]

what means Not supported import of Chapter list ?

I won't be able to keep the chapter in the menus ?

[wmansir]

Originally posted by survivant
what means Not supported import of Chapter list ?

I won't be able to keep the chapter in the menus ?

It doesn't effect DVD-RB. Robot1 and I were talking about using EclPro with another application that re-encodes the actual menus.

RE: chapter lists

When a dvd jumps to a chapter it has to have a certain type of frame (I-frame) at the point in the video where it wants to jump. Normally I-frames are only placed once every 12 or 15 frames, but with a chapter list the encoder can be forced to encode certain frames as I-frames, even if they aren't scheduled to be I-frames. DVD-RB doesn't need this ability because it's designed to work with encoders that don't support it.

[chrisjim]

Originally posted by survivant
I had the same problem whit IE. It works with FireFox. I think the site freeweb is blocked by IE.

I downloaded it with FireFox, double-clicked to open it & got the message "file corrupt, etc".
Tried downloading with Opera as well, but no success.

[wmansir]

It worked fine for me with IE. (Actually I use Firefox, but I right-clicked the link and 'Open Link Target in IE'.)

I'll attach it to this post for those having problems.

ps. robot1, it appears to be working fine now. I'll have a job done in a few hours and can report back.

[YaoMing11]

Great thanks! :cool: I'll test another movie out tonight and see if all goes well.

[nwg]

I also couldn't download it by IE and got corrupted error with Firefox. I managed to do it with Firefox by copying the link location and pasting it in the url box.

[robot1]

Originally posted by YaoMing11
Is this post supposed to fix the audio out of sync and undersized
issue also?
Yes.
The issue was due to a wrong setting of the number of frames to encode.
As we encoded a smaller part of every cell, we had an undersized result, with audio out of sync (we lost some pieces...)


Also Im not able to download the ECLPro v.021 link by right clicking it. it says "your current security settings do not allow this file to be downloaded", but it doesn't do this with other files I try and download. I will not use this host anymore.

[survivant]

Robot1, can you tell me what is the big challenge with multi-angle ?

There is a way to extract the multi-angle part and send it to the encoder and use an external way to autorize the dvd ?

like a popup telling : "Hey the dvd containt multi-angles, you won't be able to autorize it..do you want to continue ?"

I had always use software like InstantCopy to backup a full dvd.

[robot1]

Originally posted by survivant
Robot1, can you tell me what is the big challenge with multi-angle ?

A little OT, but the big challenge is:
- extract per VobID basis (and DVD-RB shouldn't have problems with this)
- encode setting multi-angle parameters (closed GOP and disable I frames insertion - CCE has no problems with this, I haven't tested ProCoder)
- muxing in a special way (DVD-RB will handle this, in a future version)


There is a way to extract the multi-angle part and send it to the encoder and use an external way to autorize the dvd ?

like a popup telling : "Hey the dvd containt multi-angles, you won't be able to autorize it..do you want to continue ?"

There are guides on the doom9 site for multi-angle backup, also automatizing it with "The Big 3" method. But you need an authoring program (Scenarist or Maestro, maybe others) that supports muli-angle.
Probably in next version DVD-RB will let you chose the angle to keep in a multi-angle disk (and this is enough for the most part of multi-angle disks, like StarWars series)


I had always use software like InstantCopy to backup a full dvd.
InstantCopy doesn't re-encode the streams, but transcodes it; you can't compare it to DVD-RB.
If you can't wait for next DVD-RB releases, go with InstantCopy or DVDShrink which produce a good result if you don't compress too much.

[survivant]

thanks. I though that DVD-RB was almost able to extract all the angles. I'll look to the 3 big guide, but I like th DVD-RB interface and using the guide I won't be able to use dvd-rb :(

do you have a roadmap for the new release of dvd-rb ?

What I basicly wanted was to be able to encode with Procoder with one click solution (almost one). I didn't understand the 3big guide very well, but I'll try how I can switch CCE for ProCoder.


Another question. DVD-RB is it able to do a bitrate approximation for elcpro ?

I try to reencode Silly Syphomy for Disney and the result is a 3.8gig DVD with mastering quality.

what's the bitrate interval in eclpro for ProCoder 2 ?

[robot1]

Originally posted by survivant
do you have a roadmap for the new release of dvd-rb ?
Only jdobbs has a roadmap... he's working at this feature, so probably we'll have it soon.


What I basicly wanted was to be able to encode with Procoder with one click solution (almost one). I didn't understand the 3big guide very well, but I'll try how I can switch CCE for ProCoder.
You can use EclPRO to read almost all .ecl produced for CCE, but integration probably isn't very simple (but possible for many tools). If you are able to use Big3 with ProCoder, please post your results.


Another question. DVD-RB is it able to do a bitrate approximation for elcpro ?

I try to reencode Silly Syphomy for Disney and the result is a 3.8gig DVD with mastering quality.

what's the bitrate interval in eclpro for ProCoder 2 ?
If you used EclPRO 0.20, please try EclPRO 0.21, or try using Legacy=1 in EclPRO.ini.
Results with ProCoder should be as accurate as CCE ones: if you've left default settings, you should have a result of 4.32-4.33 GB
There was a bug in EclPRO 0.20 with NTSC sources which lead to undersized results.

[chrisjim]

Results with ProCoder should be as accurate as CCE ones: if you've left default settings, you should have a result of 4.32-4.33 GB
There was a bug in EclPRO 0.20 with NTSC sources which lead to undersized results. [/B][/QUOTE

For what it's worth, a PAL version of "Terms of Endearment" came out as 4.31 GB.

[jok]

Hi, I've tried EclPRO 0.21 with Van Helsing PAL and the result is 4.31 GB. I haven't notice audio out of sync, at least in the first chapter.

Great job robot1, thank you!

Bye,
Jok

[survivant]

robot1

it is possible to know which values you pass the procoder 2 ? I have a few divx that I want to convert to DVD using ProCoder and I would like to know what is the best combinaison of settings.

I did a few convertion and work great.. but I playing with the setting without knowing exactly what they do.


And I check my DVD Silly Symphonies and the result is 4.3 gigs.. and It works perfectly on my dvd player.

[robot1]

Originally posted by survivant
robot1

it is possible to know which values you pass the procoder 2 ? I have a few divx that I want to convert to DVD using ProCoder and I would like to know what is the best combinaison of settings.

I did a few convertion and work great.. but I playing with the setting without knowing exactly what they do.


And I check my DVD Silly Symphonies and the result is 4.3 gigs.. and It works perfectly on my dvd player. After a full backup with DVD-RB or a "prepare" phase, launch EclPRO.exe.
The program asks if you want to open a file .ecl.
Open Rebuilder.ecl or item.ecl in your D2VAVS folder, and you can check the parameter I used.

[robot1]

As EclPRO 0.21 seems working well with NTSC sources, I update the first post.
Please, report any problems. I'll try to fix as soon as possible.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by survivant
thanks. I though that DVD-RB was almost able to extract all the angles. Actually the version that is posted already has a ability to extract the angles... it's hidden ;) but that's the simple part.

[survivant]

there is a way to enabled the feature ? :)

[Stive]

Thanks robot1 (and JDobbs) for another encoder choice. I just finished a dual comparison (CCE2.5 and Procoder2) and I was quite impressed with the process and results. However, in watching the two on TV, the Procoder had a slight stutter on the third chapter, where CCE did not. I did not watch the entire two disks (7 hrs) for any other anomolies.

Reading this thread, a possible solution to other Procoder problems was to change legacy=1. Is that worth trying for this problem? Way back in the early days of DVDRB, I was one of the stuttering fools, but since version 40something, that has gone away. I also have to admit, this is a preprocessed file through shrink (no compression). I combined the extended version on two disks of LOTR two towers.

PS: I used v21ecl.

[chrisjim]

Originally posted by Stive
However, in watching the two on TV, the Procoder had a slight stutter on the third chapter, where CCE did not. I did not watch the entire two disks (7 hrs) for any other anomolies.

PS: I used v21ecl.




I had no stutter at all on "Terms of Endearment" (PAL). And I used VobBlanker to strip unwanted audio & video. I've been using VobBlanker with RB/CE for a while now, with no problems whatsoever, & it seems to work fine with Procoder2 as well.

[survivant]

robot1 do you plan to add more configuration setting for elcpro ?

like source filter.. the others options in Procoder 2 ?

[robot1]

Originally posted by Stive
Reading this thread, a possible solution to other Procoder problems was to change legacy=1. Is that worth trying for this problem? If it's a ProCoder problem, using legacy=1 should solve.
If you test this option, please report results.

[robot1]

Originally posted by survivant
robot1 do you plan to add more configuration setting for elcpro ?

like source filter.. the others options in Procoder 2 ? Not soon.
I could add the option in future.

[Sir Didymus]

@survivant

I should say that even without the support for some more complex (or exotic ?) settings, EclPro is a very valuable piece of software, since it allows to use Procoder with DVD-RB...

This is not just a little thing, at least in MO...
;)

Cheers,
SD

[SAPSTAR]

Originally posted by robot1
[B]EclPro v0.20 BETA!

Since EclPRO v0.20, ProCoder2.0 is now well supported, and keyinputs are not needed.


First of all....great job, I was trying to make it for a long time...
When you say, keyinputs are not needed what do you mean exactly ??? When it's running it's still doing some sendkeys, doesn't it ???!?! By the way, I have a pb , my workstation is locking itself after 5 minutes...then it's freezing you sendkey command and not working anymore...do you have a solution for that ?

[robot1]

Originally posted by SAPSTAR
First of all....great job, I was trying to make it for a long time...
When you say, keyinputs are not needed what do you mean exactly ??? When it's running it's still doing some sendkeys, doesn't it ???!?! By the way, I have a pb , my workstation is locking itself after 5 minutes...then it's freezing you sendkey command and not working anymore...do you have a solution for that ? If you use ProCoder2 and EclPro 0.2x, no sendkey command is used.
It just translate the item.ecl in item.ecl.pcb (ProCoder's format), and runs ProCoder with the right input.
Sendkey is used for ProCoder 1.5, or if you use legacy=1 in EclPRO.ini.

[SAPSTAR]

Originally posted by robot1
If you use ProCoder2 and EclPro 0.2x, no sendkey command is used.
It just translate the item.ecl in item.ecl.pcb (ProCoder's format), and runs ProCoder with the right input.
Sendkey is used for ProCoder 1.5, or if you use legacy=1 in EclPRO.ini.

:o You're right...It was my fault, I didn't configure it to use the correct version of Procoder...And you know I just noticed that the new procoder is using an XML file as an input entry...I was wondering how you managed to generate the pcp file. I tried with the version 1.5 but it was a fucking binary file in this version....Anyway good job Robot1 ! :thanks:

[Stive]

Originally posted by robot1
If it's a ProCoder problem, using legacy=1 should solve.
If you test this option, please report results.

Apparently, it is not a Procoder problem as I get a stutter on the same chapter with or without legacy=1. Oh well, back to CCE. Thanks for your help.

[Redbacks]

I'm also having audio problems using 0.21 and procoder 2. Band of brothers first disk. I get small pausing in audio at intervals throughout the disk. When I use CCE for the same disk I have no problems. My current ini is set to Legacy=0
I'll try Legacy=1 and see how I go.

[robot1]

Originally posted by Redbacks
I'm also having audio problems using 0.21 and procoder 2. Band of brothers first disk. I get small pausing in audio at intervals throughout the disk. When I use CCE for the same disk I have no problems. My current ini is set to Legacy=0
I'll try Legacy=1 and see how I go. Please, can you check if the audio pauses are at chapter points, or are at random places?

[Redbacks]

Originally posted by robot1

Please, can you check if the audio pauses are at chapter points, or are at random places?

No robot1, they seem to be random. I'm yet to see if Legacy=1 makes any difference.

Disk is Band Of Brother Disk 1 Region 4 Pal. Haven't tried any of the others though. As I said in my earlier post. I had no problems with this disk using CCE. I'll keep you posted.

[hobyho]

Yes I too have encountered audio lost and video stutter at random points within a dvd, 2 that I have done with v0.21 not in legacy mode.

Used CCE and it was fine.

[robot1]

@Redback and Hobyho
Please, if you could process again the disk with legacy=1, reports results

@Hobyho
Was the disc NTSC or PAL?
If it's NTSC, I could send you a new test version.
If it's PAL, I'm lost (I think it will not work with legacy=1 - PAL mode should be ok with legacy=0)

[survivant]

I' encoding just NTSC and I don't have problem with the audio yet.

[wmansir]

Has anyone with been getting Error 0006 during rebuild with EclPro and v0.65? EDIT: This is a IlVu disc, Independence Day 5-star edition.

I've isolated it to being related to EclPro, but haven't found the specific cause. I'm re-doing it with CCE and will compare files to see if there are any differences.

[robot1]

Originally posted by wmansir
Has anyone with been getting Error 0006 during rebuild with EclPro and v0.65? EDIT: This is a IlVu disc, Independence Day 5-star edition.

I've isolated it to being related to EclPro, but haven't found the specific cause. I'm re-doing it with CCE and will compare files to see if there are any differences. Thanks for your tests.
Could I ask two simple tests?
1 - check the .m2v where you get the Error 6 for the right size (I hope I've solved that bug, but it's better to check again).
2 - check if Scenarist can import that stream (so it's not a "bad stream").

[wmansir]

1. It's odd.

The frame count is the same, but I noticed the frames didn't match up. There were several duplicate and dropped frames in the ProCoder output, the CCE output was fine. I played a hunch and it turns out the problem was using .d2v v1.76 format to index the ProCoder .m2v file. I switched to DGDecode and the results matched the .avs input, though there were a few frame decode errors near the end of some streams.

Looking over the output it does appear ProCoder uses more unusual GOP structures than CCE. For instance the last GOP, that has a duplicate and dropped frame with 1.76, is IPIPBIPB. Others are IIIPIPB, or just an I frame. I don't know if any of this effects DVD-RB's problem.


2. Both the CCE and ProCoder m2v files were rejected because of non-compliant framerates (23.976 without pulldown), but no other errors. If you want I can run them tru pulldown and see if Senarist will take them.


I'm doing a few tests subsituting CCE m2v files to see which ProCoder ones are causing the problem. Hopefully there will be something unique about them.

[robot1]

I've never had such a bad result from procoder.
Could you test with legacy=1?
ProCoder's way of dealing with NTSC is strange, while it's straightforward with PAL ... so I could still miss something.

(obviously you could test just the .avs you need, using the right item.ecl. The .m2v will be placed in the root directory, when launched manually)

[wmansir]

The results weren't really bad, per se, but DVD-RB doesn't like them for some reason.

I tried re-encoding the files with several changes to ProCoder Settings like "Closed GOP" activated, or disabling automatic GOP patterns, but I couldn't get it to work.

I'm attaching the Bitrate Viewer files for the CCE version and the ProCoder version. The only major difference I see between them is the variable GOP pattern, but all the other ProCoder .m2v files have that too and they work.

[DMagic1]

No one ever said if DVDRB has the targetsector settings for Procoder. I've tried ProCoderTargetSectors= with different values and it never changes the compression or final output.

[robot1]

There isn't a Procoder specific setting (maybe jdobbs will insert it?)
You can use the generic TargetSector=

[DMagic1]

Cool thanks. Almost forgot about that.