Toshiba 210e and SVCDs

[WarpEnterprises]

At last a very useful way o get my Toshiba playing SVCDs ... :cool:
Has anybody checked how those "DVD-stream"-SVCDs play on other stand-alone-players?
What kind of stream is generated when using the DVD-template?
I analyzed it with "MPEGanalizzatore" (nice freeware!) and there are 4 streams instead of 2, and a message that the audio and video stream are not in the system header.
Can anybody tell what this means?

[gerti67]

Hi there,

as I said earlier, the difference is not really big between the two types of streams. Seems that with the "~DVD" stream type the audio streams are handled as some kind of "standalone audio tracks" and not like with the "SVCD" stream type being some kind of attached to the video stream.

But I'm not that deep into the whole MPEG2 file and package format to really have a clue why this setting works and the other is not. I think even the burning software developpers do the muxing of the MPEG2 streams in different ways - otherwise it's not to explain why for example some burning software is said to create SVCDs that play in sync. E.g. Roxio Video Producer 5 is said to produce such SVCDs when using MPEG2 files that were de-muxed with TMPG. - But I never tried that with this software.

I was able to test those SVCDs with a Grundig GDV-130 and they did not play correctly - seems that they were about 2 secs out of sync but I was not able to test it with a movie offset of "0" to see if this is the reason.

Then I tested them on a Philips DVD-761 and they played absolutely perfect and in sync. Perhaps I can test them on a Denon DVD-1000 the next week too.

So it seems it is not a perfect solution for those who want to make SVCDs that play on every standalone.

Would be great if somebody could do a little test with only 1 or 2 chapters with the "~DVD" stream type in bbMPEG tab and report back in here if he likes to spend some minutes on that.

Greetings,
Gerti

[avdmb]

I made the test using DVD2SVCD, and ticked "~DVD" in the bbMPEG advance options tab. Doesn't work on my Pioneer DV-444. Same result than with default SVCD option. See thread http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23887 for test details.

Gerti67, I guess I missed something as you mentioned : For the Toshiba issue it would help if one could set the ProgramStreamType=4 in the bbMPEG settings
If you can give a step-by-step explanation of what is needed to be done to perform the test, I will be more than happy to try it.

[WarpEnterprises]

After testing the ~DVD-trick I didn't come to rest and tested different burning programs - and the unexpected became true:
SVCDs burned with VOB InstantVideo using mpeg2-SVCDs made with TMPG play perfectly on my Toshiba (Nero and WinOnCD didn't play in sync). The curious thing is that they have no other entries in the ISO-file-system than \SVCD\entries.svd and \SVD\info.svd, and of course \mpeg2\avseq01.mpg.
There is no search.dat,...
Maybe our player gets confused by too much scan information, the working ~DVD-stream then can be explained (the player can't use the additional scan information because it's not compatible with the DVD-stream)??

[gerti67]

Hi avdmb,

the mentioned "ProgramStreamType=4" parameter is used in the bbMPEG.ini file created by D2S - but with the new version 1.0.8 Build 1 there's no need to change this ini parameter anymore because you can change this in bbMPEG tab's advanced settings just by choosing the "~DVD" option.

So this applied only to earlier builds of D2S.

Greetings,
Gerti

[onesoul]

Is someone using VOB instant video successfully?
What exact settings you recommend?

Is vcdeasy a more easy option (with ~dvd ticked and without aligned sequence headers and without adding svcd scan offsets) to have the problem solved?

Thanks

[onesoul]

I have some interesting news:

I found out that the reason to vcdeasy burning cd's at sync (and other software like nero not) when ticking the ~dvd otpion at bbmpeg tab is that vcdeasy analyzes the mpeg stream and it does "autopadding requires to insert additional 357 zero bytes into MPEG stream (due to 17 unaligned packets of 435700 total)". You can check that that by performing only an analyse of mpeg file.
But I found out that checking the "use private stream 2" the additional zeros were added (as required for a dvd compliant) and the vcd easy would no longer need to do additional padding so you now can burn with other software as nero.

This seems to demonstrate that toshiba sd210e does not handle svcd format the right way but anyway you can pass through that gap.

[Fats Minnesota]

Look at all these replies to my ORIGINAL problem! I didn't realise there were so many of you out there with these weird problems. anyway I have a solution to the problem and it's a little weird. I use all the DVD2SVCD settings on just about default and I burn the image with Nero 5.5.2.4, .....get THAT, version 5.5.2.4. Its an old version I know and it doest recognise CUE and BIN files by default but if you select BURN IMAGE and use the drop down menu in 'files of type' selection box, select all files and you will now see the CUE and BIN files that DVD2SVCD made, select the cue file and burn it!! Voila! svcds play in sync on my TOSH 210e and every other standalone and PC that I have tested. This only works with Nero 5.5.2.4, any other newer version sends it out of sync. Ive been using it for months now, since my original post and it WORKS fine! So get on Kazaa or something you guys and get 5.5.2.4. You problamatic TOSH owners wont regret it! Maybe DVD2svcd or the other programmers can understand this result.

Good Luck!

[onesoul]

@Fats Minnesota

Thanks for the information.
BTW have you read the replyes?

Cheers

[onesoul]

I'm sorry for bringing this thread up again but I thought it stills contains useful information (at least for who have the sd210e).
In despite the synch problems can be resolved in a way that has been said in this thread I still have one problem with the displayed image, it's not centered, it appears about 10 pixels to the left and it is somehow zoomed cropping more than it should at tv. I've tried all kinds of resolutions, still no luck, with vcd mpeg1 it is perfectly centered, I can't understand why this happens with mpeg2 vcds.
I talked to toshiba here at Portugal and they asked me to send a sample cd. I will do that and see what can be done.

Has anyone encountered the same problem? Fixed somehow?
I would like to hear your opinions.
Thanks

[WarpEnterprises]

maybe it's firmware-related.
what's your version?
(zoom 6 0 6 zoom on the remote)

[onesoul]

Mine version: Boot Rom V1.400, Main Rom v1.600-R2, TB:X

What version do you have and have you had any problems with svcd or other resolutions?

[WarpEnterprises]

Boot rom 1.4 main rom 2.1.
Working resolutions:
VCD 352x288
SVCD 352x576, 480x576 (up to ~4000kbit)

no problems regarding overscan.
audio sync not adjustable by pressing "angle"
(only by muxing "~DVD" or burning with VOB)

[onesoul]

Thanks. I will ask toshiba to upgrade the bios, by any chance you ever heard of a similar case?

edit: Regarding the sync problem, I've never tried burning with VOB. Does it produce a bigger image as bbmpeg produces with the ~DVD option (it's ~10 mb bigger in 800 mb)

edit 2: Maybe I am being too rigorous but have you tried burning the svcd test cd available at the faq? Pressing next twice, at some point, shows the a figure that demonstrates the overscan or cropping of the tv. (Just wanna make sure it's only my player doing this)

Thanks

[WarpEnterprises]

VOB makes SMALLER images (~the same as VCDEasy) but you can't resume or jump to a timecode (I use it only seldom: muxing problem with bbmpeg, just a little too big image,... )
the overscan with my TV is ~ 16,16,16,32 (top,left,right,bottom), but I never checked rigourously, it seems the same as from e.g. Camcorder.

[dvd2svcd]

http://www.billh.demon.co.uk/download.htm

[onesoul]

Thank you dvd2svcd for the link :), it looks like William Hardy found the solution for the synchronization problem of the toshiba sd210/220. I will try it and most likely use it from now on.

Btw, I made a svcd with the setting of the ~DVD option at bbmpeg but instead of slightly bigger image which I have had previously with a 800 mb media, this time I used a 990 mb media (99 min - this player supports it :)) and I got a 977 mb image, no problem for me :), oh and I deselected the Add svcd scan offsets and Align sequence headers like gerti67 suggested (I selected Use private stream 2 so I could mount the image and burn with nero right away without needing using VCDeasy). The title was Southpark the movie.

Cheers to all

[WarpEnterprises]

Bug-fix confirmed for Toshiba 210,too.

Bill did a really great work!!

[gerti67]

Hi there,

just like WarpEnterprises already said, I can confirm that this fixes the bothering bug with my Toshiba 210, too.

Many thanks dvd2svcd for remembering this old thread and diggin' out this patch. :) (how in hell did you find it, btw)

And of course, praises to Bill for his fantastic work.

Greetz,
Gerti

[WarpEnterprises]

Hi again, Gerti67!
Thanks too for your workaround with the ~DVD option!