Xvid's GUI [Archive] - Page 2

Teegedeck

27th July 2004, 21:18

Your designs all look so good! But doesn't anybody want to win the 'Newbie-Friendliness-Award' by adding a newbie-tab? I'd love it if anybody would incorporate 'my sliders thing'. :p Something like a power indicator from red (fast and ugly) to deep-green (slow and yummy). (Hummm; I should've added AR to my proposal, too..).

Imagine people saying "Oh, I used Ogg Vorbis at q=5 and XviD at S/Q=6." Ahh, that would make our favourite codec even more popular...

Soulhunter

27th July 2004, 21:46

Originally posted by Teegedeck
Something like a power indicator from red (fast and ugly) to deep-green (slow and yummy).Like this... (http://img70.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img70&image=Power_slider.gif) :confused:

Bye

Sharktooth

27th July 2004, 21:55

@SMD: I like it... but... what about adding "User profiles" with load, save, restore defaults buttonz ? ;)

Teegedeck

27th July 2004, 22:16

Originally posted by Soulhunter
Like this... (http://img70.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img70&image=Power_slider.gif) :confused: Yeah... Cool. (:cool: )

twist3d

27th July 2004, 22:19

here's my intervention with xvid logo :D
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/iiro.sievanen/xvid1.gif

niamh

27th July 2004, 22:59

I love it :)

unmei

27th July 2004, 23:45

YIHA!
yes, twist3d, this is one hot logo.
heart warming > industrial cool :)

Ana

27th July 2004, 23:56

Nice! :)

The thing I most miss in current xvid gui is saveable user profiles. I think the first gui screen shouldn't be too complex. First screen could be more like the one in Teegedeck's (with red to green speed/quality slider :D ) vision. It would help people to get started with xvid and under advanced otions you could find all the geek stuff.

thoralf

28th July 2004, 02:52

Originally posted by Ana
The thing I most miss in current xvid gui is saveable user profiles. I think the first gui screen shouldn't be too complex. First screen could be more like the one in Teegedeck's (with red to green speed/quality slider :D ) vision. It would help people to get started with xvid and under advanced otions you could find all the geek stuff.

I agree with this.

About the logo: This animal thingie looks a bit scary to me - it is not exactly one of those heart-warming mascots ... and the slogan "smarter than your eyes" is - well, swanky. I mean, there are still macroblocks, aren't they ? :-)
Maybe i'm just picky - just my two cents ...

with kind regards,
Thoralf.

twist3d

28th July 2004, 08:09

This animal thingie looks a bit scary to me - it is not exactly one of those heart-warming mascots ...
hehe you're right. but something tells me that teddybear or teletubby just doesn't work with xvid.
tarsier = scary little guy with big blood-red eyes = xvid user :D

and the slogan "smarter than your eyes" is - well, swanky. I mean, there are still macroblocks, aren't they ?
well i didn't invent the slogan :)

and it was just a 5min photoshop work :D but i'd like to see more entries, not necessarily in this thread (maybe we should start a new?).

CruNcher

28th July 2004, 12:51

What do you think about this :D

http://cruncher.mufflastig.com/XviD/XviD52-2.png

*hides*

thats not my idea but from some crazy guy :rolleyes:

superdump

28th July 2004, 13:21

twist3d's logo is awesome. Could you make a background out of it on a similar theme. Maybe make the bush-baby thing a lot bigger with the same colour scheme or maybe a blue one. :)

CruNcher

28th July 2004, 14:02

A little history about XviD Guis :)

1st

http://cruncher.mufflastig.com/XviD/2001_11_03.png

2nd

http://cruncher.mufflastig.com/XviD/2001_11_21_1.png

3rd

http://cruncher.mufflastig.com/XviD/devapi-3.png

4th

http://cruncher.mufflastig.com/XviD/devapi-4.png

5th

??????

CruNcher

28th July 2004, 14:54

MF's Design idea

http://mf.onthanet.com/xvid_newconfig.png

Soulhunter

28th July 2004, 17:41

Originally posted by CruNcher
MF's Design idea...Even baning cant stop him from posting some cool stuff... :)

Btw, why not adding some sort of (n00b friendly) "hints" tab ???

http://img60.exs.cx/img60/9076/mfs_5.png

Only some of the basic stuff like -> how to setup a 2Pass encode... :rolleyes:

And dont forget the "log encoding status" hack virus invented !!!

Bye

twist3d

28th July 2004, 18:11

superdump: I'm really not an graphics artist, but I gave it a go.
here's (http://personal.inet.fi/koti/iiro.sievanen/xvid_desktop.jpg) the crappy result, I can't much upsize the tarsier as it's source image is in very low resolution.

Soulhunter

28th July 2004, 19:54

Ok, same style as before but different... :)

http://img59.exs.cx/img59/5862/Smart_X_1024_05_by_Soulhunter.th.png (http://img59.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img59&image=Smart_X_1024_05_by_Soulhunter.png) http://img51.exs.cx/img51/3134/Smart_X_1024_A1_by_Soulhunter.th.png (http://img51.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img51&image=Smart_X_1024_A1_by_Soulhunter.png) http://img51.exs.cx/img51/7812/Smart_X_1024_A2_by_Soulhunter.th.png (http://img51.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img51&image=Smart_X_1024_A2_by_Soulhunter.png)

EDIT: And two red ones...

http://img70.exs.cx/img70/5959/Evil_X_02.th.png (http://img70.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img70&image=Evil_X_02.png) http://img70.exs.cx/img70/4340/Evil_X_01.th.png (http://img70.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img70&image=Evil_X_01.png)

EDIT: And another green one...

http://img65.exs.cx/img65/752/Green_TechX_02.th.png (http://img65.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img65&image=Green_TechX_02.png)

Bye

Leak

28th July 2004, 20:43

Originally posted by Soulhunter
Ok, same style as before but different... :)

http://img59.exs.cx/img59/5862/Smart_X_1024_05_by_Soulhunter.th.png (http://img59.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img59&image=Smart_X_1024_05_by_Soulhunter.png) http://img51.exs.cx/img51/3134/Smart_X_1024_A1_by_Soulhunter.th.png (http://img51.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img51&image=Smart_X_1024_A1_by_Soulhunter.png) http://img51.exs.cx/img51/7812/Smart_X_1024_A2_by_Soulhunter.th.png (http://img51.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img51&image=Smart_X_1024_A2_by_Soulhunter.png)

EDIT: And two red ones...

http://img70.exs.cx/img70/5959/Evil_X_02.th.png (http://img70.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img70&image=Evil_X_02.png) http://img70.exs.cx/img70/4340/Evil_X_01.th.png (http://img70.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img70&image=Evil_X_01.png)

Yay - more crosshairs for Unreal Tournament 2k4! :D:D:D

np: Twine - Surn (Immediate Action comp.)

Ana

28th July 2004, 21:00

@CruNcher

The gui made by "some crazy guy" looks promising. There aren't too many options to scare noobs away and it's more atractive than present gui. Apparently there would be advanced settings button to access all xvid's properties?

Soulhunter

28th July 2004, 21:06

Originally posted by Leak
Yay - more crosshairs for Unreal Tournament 2k4! :D:D:DLol, sometimes this damn bots are also smarter than my eyes, so... :D :D :D

Nah, actually its a simple transistor display X !!!

Bye

niamh

28th July 2004, 22:35

Ana, I don't know if you're carrying on the joke , but since you sound rather serious :D,well.........we have to tell you the bad news....... it's the DivX 5 GUI, Crunched up©...out of the question of course ;)

@Cruncher : LOL.

I've been working hard on photoediting, I've been so far as putting a header...maybe in 6 months will I produce something :D
I like Mf's design too, but he used the dev-api-3 settings.

niamh

29th July 2004, 04:44

Here is my little contribution to teegedeck's dream GUI. Well so far, nobody bothered so :D

http://img63.exs.cx/img63/2664/GUIforimbeciles.jpg

comments:
I know you wanted a slider for all sort of matrices, but they're not part of XviD, so a slider would be pointless. I added the edit matrix box instead.(setting ''smooth'' would make H-263 appear in the matrix box for example too, as it exactly does not right now :D )

I separated the visual stuff into 2 checkboxes : Disable the advanced stuff refers to Qpel, gmc and AQ, and disable the basic stuff would refer to the safe stuff i.e. trellis, chroma motion and B-Frames

Of course for one box checked, you'd have to have tons of stuff ''greying out'' in the background, like for example ticking divx certified would set the B-frame slider to ''divx'' and grey out, or ticking ''disable basic visual stuff'' would grey out B-frames, trellis and chroma motion (only way to recover them would be untick that box), and of course ticking Greyscale would disable chroma motion for example ;)
I don't see the point of putting a choice for 2 pass-1st pass and 2nd pass, the n00b GUI should synch both together to avoid disasters I think.Am I wrong? (Easy to change)
I have the feeling ''Divx certified'' is needed for those wet blankets with a standalone too :)
B-frames need not be tweaked too much off/1/2(and defaults) should be enough for newbies....

Well, Teegedeck, it was for you, so I'd be glad if you commented :)

Teegedeck

29th July 2004, 07:51

Ohhh! Thank you! :) :) :)

Edit: Of course I'd like to comment some more. First of all, thank you again for making that effort! I myself absolutely can't do such stuff and thus I could not really know how it would turn out to look. It looks great! :D

About the GUI options: Perhaps it should be even simpler: Newbies propbably won't want to use those B-frame options, hardware profiles should suffice. For matrices the option could perhaps be called smooth, sharp and 'more'?

Hm, I also thought about AR, but an option to set the aspect ratio in the Newbie-GUI would lead to many mistakes, don't you think?

The idea of running second pass automatically after first pass is ingenious!

-- Ah, I love it!

Ana

29th July 2004, 08:08

Is it already that long since I last used Divx. Seems to be. :rolleyes: I really didn't remember any more how it looked like. Well Divx has better gui than xvid. :D

niamh

29th July 2004, 12:48

It looks great!
Thank you for all the praise :) But my blue Windows skin really helps to make it look nice.
I myself absolutely can't do such stuff
Me neither :D. I just felt obliged lol
Newbies propbably won't want to use those B-frame options, hardware profiles should suffice.
You really think? The way I've made them, they really aren't confusing...I thought it a nice option, and if it'
s going to be the same size as SeeMore's, well I've room. Let's say they would move to their own slider according to the profile(but can be changed)?
Hm, I also thought about AR, but an option to set the aspect ratio in the Newbie-GUI would lead to many mistakes, don't you think?
I agree, though If you leave me my B-Fames, I'll think on your AR :D..I'll move things around today a bit,there's more room to be gained :)

niamh

29th July 2004, 23:57

latest version of the n00b gui :)

http://hosting.picgoo.com/uploads7/gui_for_imbeciles0.2.jpg

[edited the link]

malkion

30th July 2004, 00:29

You know, I was pondering on that noobie or basic GUI one post up...

Can we not mention DivX certified or DivX style?

Instead it could be standalone player certified.

I just dont like to see DivX appear on the Xvid encoding options. They're not related.

/edit

Also, Zones should be more dynamic. Allowing whatever can be modified appear in zones. Unless the current zone settings already contains all you can allow to be changed using Zones.

As it is, zoning allows usage of different quants and switching from Greyscale to Color, as well as enabling chroma optimizer. Are there any other settings that can be set by zones (i.e. chroma motion, etc.)?

niamh

30th July 2004, 00:52

it could be standalone player certified
Well that makes around 6 or 7 certifications..DivX certified is an official certification for the most basic players out there, of course it probably wouldn't be possible to put it in a gui, due to copyrights :D. That doesn't mean XviD is related to Divx in any way. If I edit this, I will put "basic standalone" and "simple" instead of the offending words.(I was thinking that choosing divx certified would trigger packed bitstream too, that one is a problem on its own)
Also, Zones should be more dynamic.
Well, there are no zones in this gui for a start :) Only a little side box for newbies to set credits(If a newbie can use zones and set all the stuff manually, he ought to have no need of this gui.Actually he wouldn't be a newbie anymore)
Zones(and all the rest) would be under the big "advanced GUI" button. This gui is merely a wizard front-end according to the - I quote ;) - "dream-gui" of teegedeck. I adapted stuff he wrote on page 1 :)

To see the "backyard", please have a look at SeeMoreDigital GUI.

BoNz1

30th July 2004, 03:44

I don't know about everybody else but I really don't like this n00b gui idea. It will get in the way of more advanced users. Personally, I really like SMD idea of having everything you need on one window. I played around with this idea last night. I made the gui part last night, maybe I can get the code in behind to work too ;). This sort of idea makes sense IMO. As for the n00b gui, I am not suggesting we leave them out in the cold. Quite the opposite in fact. For anyone who hasn't noticed ffdshow video encoder has a nice preset button. This picture illustrates what I would like to see in XviD's gui:
http://img67.exs.cx/img67/2881/ffdshowpreset.jpg

unmei

30th July 2004, 08:36

if you only had to set the tweak checkbox once forever.. On install the picture would show of course, but later only when you load a profile (unchecks the box)
The trick is you have to have this little box on the bottom checked to see anthing more than in the first picture. If you uncheck again you get reverted and locked down to profiles.
http://homepage.hispeed.ch/mieru/doom9/xvidgui-shot1.jpg
tweaking..
http://homepage.hispeed.ch/mieru/doom9/xvidgui-shot2.png

you have to imagine the other tabs content for yourself. My point was only the hiding of tabs. Everything still nicely compact in one place but hidden if not relevant. (and of course the acutal logo thing in the picture is also not my point:D)

Teegedeck

30th July 2004, 09:59

Very nice also! And interesting. The question is, would people prefer having less options but a lot more presets to compensate for that (fast anime encode, good anime encode...)?

I think that the development of XviD's GUI is about to make a leap ahead if we (like we do now ) not only re-arrange the known switches but start discussing a) what the userbase really wants and how to help them get it most easily and b) how powerusers can access their favourite settings from one place with the least number of clicks.

Meaningful presets which intelligently influence each other and a GUI which uses intuition in order to steer the user into the right direction could be the key IMHO. I hope that some of that will eventually make it into an actual, new GUI; especially if we get some 'optimized' ideas from this discussion here.

@niamh: Hmmm, I like that blue-ish style. ;) The figures beneath the slider are a nice touch, as well as the direct input of credits-start-frame. But perhaps you could clean it up a bit more? Me thinks, a typical n00b will not know why he should want to use B-frames in DivX- or XviD-style or what kind of quantization he should want to use. I still cannot give up on my idea that quantization-types should be linked to the content the user wants to encode or to the general idea he has for his encode (H.264 or CG-matrix for cartoons/anime, SixOfNine-HVS for standard encodes, SixOfNine for HiQ-Encodes, perhaps Javor's 1CD-matrix for low bitrates?). That would require arranging presets in a dropdown list like unmei's. If such presets were user-definable it would save me a lot of clicks!

BTW, I wouldn't allow to export/import presets. It would enable know-nothings to spread their nonsensical presets rapidly into wanna-be-l33t-n00b-world.

Leak

30th July 2004, 12:28

Originally posted by Teegedeck
I think that the development of XviD's GUI is about to make a leap ahead if we (like we do now ) not only re-arrange the known switches but start discussing a) what the userbase really wants and how to help them get it most easily and b) how powerusers can access their favourite settings from one place with the least number of clicks.

Well, one thing IMHO is certain - XviD's GUI currently doesn't make use of the available screen real estate; if you're encoding video at resolutions of 720x576 it doesn't make sense to cram XviD's options into a small 344x439 size window - at least make the window 640 pixels wide and use the extra space; 800x600 or even 1024x768 would IMHO make even more sense... :)

And if you're going to implement a noob-friendly interface, please either make it an install option or add an option to turn it off permanently; I hate all those wizard-y interfaces and quite like the current setup - I'd just use tabs instead of "More..." buttons.

Oh, and I must confess I can't stand all those colorful logos, buttons and bells and whistles - if you've ever looked at a professional application you'll notice they're not exactly going overboard with those; IMHO the less the better. That's why I also prefer MPC's interface over ZoomPlayer or BSPlayer, for instance.

But maybe that's just me - just adding my .02 Euros.

np: Andreas Tilliander - Track 2 (Ljud)

Teegedeck

30th July 2004, 12:43

How about one smaller newbie-GUI and a king-sized advanced GUI crammed with options, only one click away from it? I'd say that would still save me a click or two for advanced settings.

Also, if I could have user defined presets (and the option to overrule the newbie-GUI and globally force/disallow particular features like GMC) I guess I would save a lot of time and would hardly need to use anything else but the simple interface.

nanga parbat

30th July 2004, 12:46

I myself would opt for a simple (as in logical, not over-complicated...) and clean interface that gives me all options. IMO just like the one proposed by SeeMoreDigital.

As for the beginners thingie - I find the idea of somtething like 'select startup mode' ('simple' or 'advanced' choosable accompanied by a 'never ask again') very intriguing.
How the 'simple' mode should look like i am not sure, possibly Teegedeck's sliders are a good idea.

But please, no fancy colours or logos. I know a many people will object, but that's just not what makes up this codec and IMHO it's against 'tradition' if i could say so.
And those who need to be tranquilized by a fancy theme or so...I don't know, but i feel they should go for alternatives, you name them.
And please don't attack me for ignorance or foul-play, this is what i think about those issues.

nanga

[edit]huh, two new pots since typing... i concur :)

niamh

30th July 2004, 12:49

@teegedeck
Ok, I give up on B-frames, you convinced me :) ticking basic standalone compatible would set them to 1/defaults , advanced to 2/default and disabling basic visual stuff would disable them. Maybe an extra box for very high bitrate encodes? that could disable them as well.

Now, give me a good reason why I should keep AR there, it's a damn sight more dangerous to play with that ;)

I see what you mean for quantization types too, so let's pretend they're all available by default hey.. I'll adapt the box (though I reckon that exactly what matrix should be used could lead to fist fighting)

My load user presets box was my favourite ;'(. I was thinking it as in besweet type profiles,made once and for all, loadable at one click.(I see unmei did just that)

The blu-ish style is WindowBlinds, X-Box extreme skin, hue tweaked to blu-ish(the original is sick green) Because 2K is worth it :D

@unmei
Absolute presets is a great idea, but is it even possible to have one preset load everything including the matrix, and the AR for example? I was trying to work with the actual XviD limitations(save for preset box), but maybe it's a mistake :)
Your gui is a good idea, and I was thinking along the same lines, except that what I drew was The Picture, ''switch to advanced gui'' making all the usual tabs appear. I'm just thinking that a checkbox GK style, to hide or show advanced options would be a good idea.(no need for so many tabs, of course)
http://hosting.picgoo.com/uploads7/gkhidetabs.jpg
http://hosting.picgoo.com/uploads7/gkshowtabs.jpg

The AutoGK gui is a good source of ideas too, for a newbie gui...

@BITS: if you showed me what a radial button looks like, it sounds interesting :)

and @ all who don't like the idea of a newbie gui, well, it would be one of the only tabs in there and fully bypassable, it would be horrendous to have to use it if you don't want to,plus it's most unlikely it'll ever happen :D

[edit] The fancy colours are part of my windows skin,I'm sorry if you don't like it, please use your imagination and replace by ugly grey and navy blue buttons.

[2nd edit you-post-too-fast :D]
Also, if I could have user defined presets (and the option to overrule the newbie-GUI and globally force/disallow particular features like GMC) I guess I would save a lot of time and would hardly need to use anything else but the simple interface.
My point exactly.

Teegedeck

30th July 2004, 12:58

The option to have a default start-up tab would be good.

As for logos, I don't really have an opinion on that one, as long as the codec does its job... :)

To get things a bit more systematic, do you think that I am correct when I say that users basically need to tell the codec only three things?

1. What kind of input/source must XviD handle?
2. What kind of output/result should it produce? (affected by target-bitrate, compressibility and/or hardware-restrictions)
3. How much time does it have to do this?

If one could just translate this intelligently into options/profiles... Would also be nice if XviD could take over the compressibility-related choices (matrix etc.) by itself by calculating bitrate/1st-pass-size. Dreaming along again, ain't I? :rolleyes:

Greyscale, cartoon, AR and interlaced would all be input-related; matrices and hardware-profiles would be output-related (except for cartoons where matrix-choice is determined by the input); the slider would stand for the time/efficiency part. 'disable enhancements' and AR would not really fit-in because the first one just represents an emergency-failsafe and the second one just doesn't go with the mainstream way of encoding (resizing before encoding).

@niamh: You're fast! About the AR; yes that's a conflict. It's a setting I have to use everytime I encode but newbies could wreak terrible havok with it.

LostMP4

30th July 2004, 13:37

Originally posted by Teegedeck
About the AR; yes that's a conflict. It's a setting I have to use everytime I encode but newbies could wreak terrible havok with it.
I've seen a lot of encodes (640x480, right DAR 4:3) with PAR 4:3 set because
Originally posted by ... (who cares?)
it's right and it isn't supposed to be read by decoder, so the image ramains 4:3

:rolleyes:

niamh

30th July 2004, 13:43

To get things a bit more systematic, do you think that I am correct when I say that users basically need to tell the codec only three things?
Yep , that's why I hinted at the AutoGK gui (http://hosting.picgoo.com/uploads7/autogkgui.jpg), The ultimate streamlined gui :)

another option would be:
say there is tab 1,2,3 related to this that and the other...you could have various "tweak this" "tweak that" "tweak the other" buttons that would take you directly to the corresponding tab..

Just thinking aloud here, discussion makes for good ideas ;)

edit: Oh and I agree with SMD with the size of the gui, whyever should it have to be studied with a binocular? Bigger and flatter is better I think, just because it's a codec doesn't mean it has to fit in a cigarette box ;)
2nd edit(dang): Look at the size of the ac3filter gui (http://hosting.picgoo.com/uploads7/ac3filter.jpg)
What do you think? It looks just perfect.

Leak

30th July 2004, 14:08

Originally posted by niamh
edit: Oh and I agree with SMD with the size of the gui, whyever should it have to be studied with a binocular? Bigger and flatter is better I think, just because it's a codec doesn't mean it has to fit in a cigarette box ;)

The GUI's window needs a 4:3 aspect ratio... :D

np: Luke Vibert - Synthax (YosepH)

niamh

30th July 2004, 14:15

:D

Sorry for putting SMD's name instead of you Leak btw...I will just add that MPC has 3 or 4 pretty colourful logos available :p (personally I couldn't care less if there is a logo or not)

Leak

30th July 2004, 14:55

Originally posted by niamh
Sorry for putting SMD's name instead of you Leak btw...

Hey, no problem - I've done sillier things - like basing the memory allocation for the blur buffer in my BlendBob plugin on the threshold instead of the radius; this works as long as the threshold is bigger than two times the radius plus two, i.e. in most cases, but - d'oh! :(

I will just add that MPC has 3 or 4 pretty colourful logos available :p (personally I couldn't care less if there is a logo or not)

Yeah, but you can also choose to use no logo, which is the first thing I do - second is to set the "Exit" key to ESC, as it's handy to be able to totally exit from fullscreen by hitting ESC twice...

But this is getting a wee bit offtopic now... :)

np: El-P - Blood (Fantastic Damage)

niamh

31st July 2004, 14:41

Ok a 3 tabs gui for the current version, no fancy wishes or frills, just the way I really would want it :)
I put in absolutely everything, save the 2(useless and big) sliders and the added comments that can just come as pop-ups. :)

tab1:

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/6145/1-guifirsttab.th.jpg (http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=1-guifirsttab.jpg)

tab 2:
http://img44.exs.cx/img44/156/2-guifiltersandzonestab.th.jpg (http://img44.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img44&image=2-guifiltersandzonestab.jpg)

tab3:

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/3328/3-guilasttabdebugandstats.th.jpg (http://img44.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img44&image=3-guilasttabdebugandstats.jpg)