DVD ReBuilder: Settings

[wmansir]

It should, but may cut it a little close. CCE's output is +/- 10MB, maybe even 15MB on very rare discs. So if you definitly don't want over sized results then you should lower it a little bit. Right now I'm using 2259000, but I use ProCoder mostly and it tends to produce discs slightly larger than CCE with the same bitrates.

[hiemster8]

wmansir

Do you use any filters for every rebuild you do.

[lamster]

Originally posted by wmansir
Hidden Settings
Minimum and Maximum Bitrates Effects CCE MODE only.

FYI - They work for QuEnc as well.

[Rizlaw]

Being a newcomer to this excellent program (DVD-RB 1.00RC1) I am confused by this sticky post. The sticky note begins by nicely explaining the settings for what, I assume, is a fairly old version of RB (0.69). I don't see any updated definitions for the latest versions of RB (0.93.2 or 1.00RC1). So, my confusion lies with the explanation of a "Mode > "Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates" which states:

Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates
If Enabled, the original DVD bitrate is analyzed and Cells are assigned a re-encode bitrate in proportion to their original bitrate, compared to the overall bitrate of the original disc. See this post for more details.
If Disabled, all Cells have the same bitrate.

My problem is that I can not find this setting in RB 1.00RC1, although I see that there are posts about it's use in 2004. Am I correct in assuming it has been removed by JDobbs for some reason. Will someone please shed some light on this for me? :thanks:

[jptheripper]

yes, it was removed b/c it should never be turned off

[wmansir]

I will be updating this soon since v1.0 is being finalized. I really dropped the ball because I was planning to wait for v1.0's release but it took longer than I expected.

The most up to date settings iformation can be found in Rockas' Help files (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=93471). I'll mention this and add a link in the first post.

[TuRiSOft]

I think it would be useful to add ''ILVU_Encode=0" to hidden Settings .

It's to make RB not encoding ILVU segments !!!!

[Rockas]

Good point... I forgot about that :o
I'll add that on the next release of the Help file...

[BlkPnthr]

When tweaking the settings (i.e. Targetsectors=xxx), etc..does this still work with newer version or is there any need?

Thx

[joho83]

I have a question, yes I'm a total newbie, so forgive me if I'm doing/saying something wrong... At the moment I'm trying to learn about the dvd-rebuilder, have read guides and threads for 10 hours now.

The two functions in DVD-Rebuilder; "Deinterlace with DECOMB" and "disable interlaced", what do they mean and what fuction to they have? I'm using the DVD-Rebuilder to make back-up's of my current dvd-collection, and to get the optimal result I wondered if I had to enable the "Deinterlace with DECOMB" function or use the "disable interlaced" function...

I'm also a bit confused with what encoder I should use, have read about HC and Quenc, and as I have understood they are both equally great. But wich one would you guys recomend me to use? Can you also give me some links to guides about settings in HC and Quenc?

Please help a useless newbie :)

Thankful for any kind of help.

[Carpo]

as far as i know the Deinterlace with DECOMB option should only be used if you want to de-interlace an interlaced source this depends on what you will view the backuped up film

i have been told to de-interlace if i will be using a pc monitor to view the dvd

but if your going to be using a norm tv then its best to leave it as interlaced

also if you do de-interlace it does add a bit of time on to the encode

[jptheripper]

unless your only viewing is on computer (why then backup to dvd5) you never need to de-interlace

[BlkPnthr]

I have a question, yes I'm a total newbie, so forgive me if I'm doing/saying something wrong... At the moment I'm trying to learn about the dvd-rebuilder, have read guides and threads for 10 hours now.

The two functions in DVD-Rebuilder; "Deinterlace with DECOMB" and "disable interlaced", what do they mean and what fuction to they have? I'm using the DVD-Rebuilder to make back-up's of my current dvd-collection, and to get the optimal result I wondered if I had to enable the "Deinterlace with DECOMB" function or use the "disable interlaced" function...

I'm also a bit confused with what encoder I should use, have read about HC and Quenc, and as I have understood they are both equally great. But wich one would you guys recomend me to use? Can you also give me some links to guides about settings in HC and Quenc?

Please help a useless newbie :)

Thankful for any kind of help.

For starters, you really might want to move this to one of the DVD-RB forum's that are related to questions like this. This particular forum seems to be dedicated to the physical settings and probably doesn't see a lot of action. Simply copy and paste your comments in a different thread...might get more help.

PS..I'd answer your questions if I could but, really don't have an understanding of what deinterlacing does either.

Cheers


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[joho83]

unless your only viewing is on computer (why then backup to dvd5) you never need to de-interlace

I'm never going to watch it on the computer, only on my traditional TV...

jdobbs: Yes they are, I'm sorry....

BlkPnthr: Okey, I'll try to move it...

[jdobbs]

Deinterlacing is only there for very special circumstances. From what I read it appears Carpo and BlkPnthr are saying the same thing.

[thewonderer]

Someone said there is a setting for making CCE run in low priority in the rebuilder.ini... cant see it, is there one?

[Rippraff]

As TuRiSOft told you (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=742708#post742708) it's a batch file not inside Rebuilder.ini.

Cu Rippraff

[Rizlaw]

Someone said there is a setting for making CCE run in low priority in the rebuilder.ini... cant see it, is there one?
No one ever answered the above question. I'd be very interested in the answer, too. :thanks:

[jdobbs]

There is no priority switch in REBUILDER.INI.

[Rippraff]

No one ever answered the above question.
Maybe just look one post above. :rolleyes:

Cu Rippraff

[kimchi]

Hi @ll,

I'm using these setting for a long time now for most of my DVDs encoding:
VBR Bias: 10
Quality: 4
Pass: 7 to 9
(between 7 to 12hours encoding...depending DVDs...) I precise that I always keep 2 audio tracks, often in dd5.1, and even 3, including DTS...so bitrate is often around 3000-4500 depending the length of the movie and its space as dvd9...

And I often read recently that it's unusefull to use more than 4pass with CCE...so must I change those settings (let for example those that are directly put after the installation? (25/16/4) or must I put other ones?

My goal is to have the best quality possible for majority of movies (movies generally last 1h30 or 2h00 long) and if I can grab some hours to have same or better results it would be nice :) I'm sure I could reduce the encoding length for the same or even better results :)

Hope you could help me have as good settings as I can, even if I know that settings should be changed depending on the movie I'll encode, thanks in advance!

[joho83]

7 to 12 hours? God damn, that's just not worth it, for me anyway. Uses HC encoder, and my encoding time is approx 5 hours. Don't think ur getting that much better quality with CCE and 7 to 12 encoding. Just can't imagine it being worth the time...

[kimchi]

7 to 12 hours? God damn, that's just not worth it, for me anyway. Uses HC encoder, and my encoding time is approx 5 hours. Don't think ur getting that much better quality with CCE and 7 to 12 encoding. Just can't imagine it being worth the time...

Hi, of course it's too long, if I could have same results or better ones within less time I would appreciate, that's why I asked...I've been always pleased about the results of cce with my actual settings (on big screen tv: +100cm), but it's too long...:( and I don't think I need to make so many passes to have best results as I read all topics here...the question is settings of VBR Bias et Quality in fact, or even tick some "low bitrate, or very low bitrate" in dvdrb options...but it's still complicated for me to use it...because I don't know when I should such settings at wich moments...

[jdobbs]

There is no measurable difference between a CCE encode that was done with 3 passes and one done with 10. In fact, in most cases you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 2 and 10...

So if you want to save some time, stop doing the same thing over-and-over. Set your passes to no more than 3.

[kimchi]

There is no measurable difference between a CCE encode that was done with 3 passes and one done with 10. In fact, in most cases you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 2 and 10...

So if you want to save some time, stop doing the same thing over-and-over. Set your passes to no more than 3.

You're exactly right :) I've been tested 2 differents settings for 2 differents dvd since yesterday:

* Robin Hood (3 audio streams incl. DTS) 5.22Go (1h19min): settings 25/16/5 ==> result is the same as original with high bitrate around 5600... :)

* Ally McBeal (2 streams dd2.0) 6.88Go (4 épisodes of 42min): settings 15/15/5 ==> result is perfect with around 3250 bitrate, better than same dvd with my old settings :) though I haven't tick any options like "low bitrate" ou "very low bitrate", maybe next time on TV Series I'll try to tick one of those two...if it could make it more better :)

I'll try some more tests, but I think I have understand a little bit those settings...any advices with VBR Bias & Quality Prec. ?

Thanks so much in advance :)

[jdobbs]

For most sources you should leave them at the default.

[kimchi]

For most sources you should leave them at the default.

OK, I'll try all of this...by the way another question about bitrate:

When should I tick the "low bitrate" option and the "very low bitrate", what values could be considered as low, or very low?

For example: I'm encoding at the moment a movie that lasts 3hrs (7.28Go) and compression is 53% and bitrate is 2900...I haven't tick the "low bitrate" option or "very low bitrate", I should have?

Thanks for the answer :)

[jdobbs]

I assume you're talking about the Matrix choices? They work on individual segments. The "Low Bitrate" matrix kicks in any time the average bitrate of a segment is less than 3000Kbs, the "Very Low Bitrate" matrix activates for anything less than 2000Kbs.

[kimchi]

I assume you're talking about the Matrix choices? They work on individual segments. The "Low Bitrate" matrix kicks in any time the average bitrate of a segment is less than 3000Kbs, the "Very Low Bitrate" matrix activates for anything less than 2000Kbs.

Thanks for the answer, it means that if I tick one of those low bitrate options it only activates if some segments have under values otherwise it works as default? It seems pretty clear now for me, thanks so much for help :)

[jdobbs]

Yes... only if the average bitrate drops below the ones I mentioned.

[kimchi]

Yes... only if the average bitrate drops below the ones I mentioned.

OK, thanks, it's clear now :)

[kimchi]

I assume you're talking about the Matrix choices? They work on individual segments. The "Low Bitrate" matrix kicks in any time the average bitrate of a segment is less than 3000Kbs, the "Very Low Bitrate" matrix activates for anything less than 2000Kbs.

Another one question, after watching the options, I saw that there were many places where I could tick the "low bitrate"...must it be done in the main feature matrix or in the low bitrate matrix? Same question for the "very low bitrate" option...

I suppose that if I tick it on the main feature matrix it should be ok as the other matrix follow the main one...but if I could have confirmation, it would be nice :) Thanks in advance...

[jdobbs]

Another one question, after watching the options, I saw that there were many places where I could tick the "low bitrate"...must it be done in the main feature matrix or in the low bitrate matrix? Same question for the "very low bitrate" option...

I suppose that if I tick it on the main feature matrix it should be ok as the other matrix follow the main one...but if I could have confirmation, it would be nice :) Thanks in advance... Maybe I'm not hitting on all cylinders tonight... but I may be lost. If I understand you correctly you're asking about the matrix choices for each selection. You can select any matrix for any of the choices. For example "Low Bitrate" is just a name for a matrix that is geared that way. But you can choose any matrix you want for any of the matrix options. You'll find dozens and dozens of downloadable matrices you could add as well. You may even want to play with the Rebuilder Matrix Editor that Rockas developed...

[kimchi]

Maybe I'm not hitting on all cylinders tonight... but I may be lost. If I understand you correctly you're asking about the matrix choices for each selection. You can select any matrix for any of the choices. For example "Low Bitrate" is just a name for a matrix that is geared that way. But you can choose any matrix you want for any of the matrix options. You'll find dozens and dozens of downloadable matrices you could add as well. You may even want to play with the Rebuilder Matrix Editor that Rockas developed...

hmmm, I didn't understand you completly either, lol:), maybe it's too late...I'll try to be more clear:

I have a movie with 2900 average BR to encode...so I want to tick the "low bitrate" but in the main feature matrix there is this possibility, as well as in the low bitrate matrix...so witch one should I tick? As I said earlier, I suppose that if I tick the "low bitrate" box in the main matrix options it is ok because the other matrix will follow the main one...? (matrix that are in dvd-rb options...)

Hope you'll undersand, my english is not very good...sorry :(

[jamos]

anyway to change the target sector size for dvd rb pro 1.09 seems to ignore what I put in the ini and uses its defaults? is there a setting for dvd-5 and dvd-9 that we can overrride?

[kimchi]

anyway to change the target sector size for dvd rb pro 1.09 seems to ignore what I put in the ini and uses its defaults? is there a setting for dvd-5 and dvd-9 that we can overrride?

Hi ,as for me, targetsector works fine on all the last versions I used (even the last one v1.09)...I put this value: TargetSectors=2253850 and no problem with it, I also say that DVD5 mode is ticked...output is around 4.36Go 4.37Go after rebuild completion :)

[jdobbs]

anyway to change the target sector size for dvd rb pro 1.09 seems to ignore what I put in the ini and uses its defaults? is there a setting for dvd-5 and dvd-9 that we can overrride?It definitely doesn't ignore them. Make sure you put them in the correct area ([Options]) -- also make sure there isn't a different value higher in the file. The first matching entry encountered is the one used. Also remember that "TargetSectors" is overridden by encoder specific settings (like "CCETargetSectors").

Remember, too, that the value has to be entered exactly -- any mispelling will cause it to be ignored.

[jamos]

It definitely doesn't ignore them. Make sure you put them in the correct area ([Options]) -- also make sure there isn't a different value higher in the file. The first matching entry encountered is the one used. Also remember that "TargetSectors" is overridden by encoder specific settings (like "CCETargetSectors").

Remember, too, that the value has to be entered exactly -- any mispelling will cause it to be ignored.
ok I will try it again. It would be nice feature to be able to set sector sizes for dvd-5 and dvd-9 seperatly..when you get the time jd.. :p

[jamos]

It definitely doesn't ignore them. Make sure you put them in the correct area ([Options]) -- also make sure there isn't a different value higher in the file. The first matching entry encountered is the one used. Also remember that "TargetSectors" is overridden by encoder specific settings (like "CCETargetSectors").

Remember, too, that the value has to be entered exactly -- any mispelling will cause it to be ignored.
using procoder 2 wouldnt have anything to do with it?

[jdobbs]

"TargetSectors" is used for sizing of all encoders. Procoder's encoder specific setting is "ProcoderTargetSectors".

[blutach]

On that - for Rockas - the help file has this incorrect. It has "ProcodertSectors" (in the hidden settings).

Regards

[Rockas]

Oooops my mistake :o
I'll fix it.

[tedybear]

Any chance to make DVD REBUILDER to use 4481MB aka 4.37 instead of less around 4450 aka 4.3-4.32 ?

[canuckerfan]

check out post 9 of this thread

[jamos]

"TargetSectors" is used for sizing of all encoders. Procoder's encoder specific setting is "ProcoderTargetSectors".
what is the default sectors for a dvd-9 in rebuilder pro?

Also if I change this in the ini file will the text output reflect this, or will it still show the default compression, size etc. because even when I add this to the option section of the rebuilder.ini it still states the default settings for dvd-9 ?

[jdobbs]

The default is 4050000.

If you change the value, the calculations are based upon the new value. Keep in mind, though, that the new output bitrate is limited to no more than the original. So you can't make the value higher than the source and expect it to change.

[jamos]

The default is 4050000.

If you change the value, the calculations are based upon the new value. Keep in mind, though, that the new output bitrate is limited to no more than the original. So you can't make the value higher than the source and expect it to change.
Ok I found out what the issue is. If you have dvd-9 selected for output it ignores TargetSectors in the ini file. You have to have DVD-5 selected for it to work.

[jdobbs]

I just tested it numerous times and it correctly uses the value provided. As is specified in the REBUILDER.TXT file it uses the "DLTargetSectors", not the "TargetSectors" setting when you have DVD-9 selected. "TargetSectors" only applies to DVD-5.

[jamos]

I just tested it numerous times and it correctly uses the value provided. As is specified in the REBUILDER.TXT file it uses the "DLTargetSectors", not the "TargetSectors" setting when you have DVD-9 selected. "TargetSectors" only applies to DVD-5.
Great! thanks thats what I was missing the DL

[Sn8kbordin]

I have an Athlon 64 X2 4400+ CPU and using DVD-RC Pro (:thanks: ).
Should I check multiple enocder processes? What does that option do?
I'm using CCE encoder.