DVD ReBuilder: Settings

[wmansir]

DVD ReBuilder Settings (v0.69)

This document is outdated at this time. The most up-to-date source for settings information is Rockas' Help files (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=93471).

File

Open Project
Restores settings from a previous project.
Save Project
Saves Settings for later use.
Batch Processing
Opens the Batch Processing Panel. You can use this panel to execute several jobs in a row.
To use Batch Processing you must first save a project for each job you want to run. You can then Add/Delete your projects from the Batch Processing list, then click the Process button to start.
Shutdown at Batch Completion
If enabled, DVD-RB will do a Windows Shutdown after all batch processes are complete. A 10 Second warning window enables cancellation before shutdown. This option is reset when you close DVD-RB.
Print Status Panel
Print the current contents of the status panel.
Copy Status to Clipboard
Copy the contents of the Status Panel to the clipboard.
Status Logging On
The Status panel is saved to a file (rebuilder.log) in the root of the current working directory.
Exit
Closes the programMode

CCE Mode, ReJig Mode, QuEnc, ProCoder (EclPro) Mode
Selects the Encoding Method. Each method must have it's encoder defined in the Setup screen before it can be used.
Other encoder
This is reserved for future use, it cannot be enabled.
Verbose Status Window
If Enabled the Status Panel will contain extra information.
One Click Mode
If Enabled, the entire rebuild process is performed with the click of one Transcode button.
If Disabled, DVD-RB is in "three click" mode. The encoder will pause between each of the three main stages: Prepare, Encode, Rebuild. This allows the user to tweak encoding parameters and verify quality before Rebuild.
Shutdown at One Click Completion
If enabled, DVD-RB will do a Windows Shutdown at the successful completion of the next One-Click execution. A 10 Second warning window enables cancellation before shutdown. This option is reset when you close DVD-RB.
Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates
If Enabled, the original DVD bitrate is analyzed and Cells are assigned a re-encode bitrate in proportion to their original bitrate, compared to the overall bitrate of the original disc. See this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=474936#post474936) for more details.
If Disabled, all Cells have the same bitrate.
Steal space from Extras
This option allows you to improve your main movie quality by reducing the quality of extras (that are outside the largest VTS). It works by taking storage space (25%, 33%, or 50%) from the extras and then reallocating it to the largest VTS. This reallocation of space happens BEFORE other options -- so, for example, if you steal at 50% and enable Half-D1/Half-Space, the extras will be 1/4 size. This option is only valid when the "Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates" option is enabled.
Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras
If Enabled, any extras are resized to Half-D1 and allocated half the normal bitrate. The "recovered" space will be allocated to the main VTS. For movies with a lot of extras this can significantly improve the bitrate for the main movie. This option will NOT work with ReJig Mode.
Angle Processing
Reserved for future use.
Suppress Warning Prompts
If enabled, this will suppress any warnings, such as overwriting of files in the Working Path.
Enable "Output" Directory
If enabled, a third folder can be specified to place the final output. "VIDEO_TS" and "AUDIO_TS" folders will be created in this directory automatically. If Disabled, the output is placed in the "Working Directory".Options

AVS Options
ConvertToYUY2()
If Enabled, the video colorspace is converted to YUY2 before reaching the encoder. This should be ENABLED if you are using CCE. See the CCE FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53770), Q. 14.4 for details.
AudioDub(BlankClip())
This option is a work around for a bug in some versions of CCE. It is only needed if you are using CCE 2.5 and running a AMD Thunderbird or Duron processor. See the CCE FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53770) Q 14.1 and Q 14.3 for details.

Advanced (expert) Options:
Filter Editor
This is meant to support filters, but can also be used to activate other AviSynth commands. This is truly an EXPERT OPTION. If you are not intimately familiar with AviSynth leave it alone. It can make your encodes fail completely if incorrectly used. Note: Don't use blank lines.
Deinterlace with DECOMB
You must have installed the Decomb plugin and defined it's path in the DVD-RB SETUP window before you can use this option.
If Enabled, Interlace sources are deinterlaced with the fielddeinterlace() function of the Decomb Package. This is recommended if you plan on viewing your output primarily on a progressive display, such as your computer.
MPEG2Source("source",idct=7)
If Enabled, the SimpleiDCT is used for decoding the MPEG2 source. This method, taken from the Xvid project, is (slightly) more accurate than the default iDCT at generally the same speed. See this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49893) for more information.
Disable "interlaced"
Source for the selected VTS will be treated as progressive -- meaning "interlaced=true" will not be added to the ConvertToYUY() line, no Deinterlacing will be applied, Zig-Zag encoding will be used, and the progressive flag will be set. See this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58800#post354127) for more information on ConvertToYUY(). Also, note that this is only an override for incorrectly flagged progressive material that would erroneously be treated as interlaced. Progressive material, that is flagged correctly, will be treated properly automatically.
Resize to Half D1
Allows you to resize select Video Title Sets to half standard resolution. This is within the DVD specs, but some hardware players do not support it. Be sure your target player does.
Convert from LB 4:3 to 16:9
Allows you to convert select Video Title Sets from 4:3 Letterbox to 16:9 Anamorphic Widescreen. This is only recommended if you have a widescreen display.

CCE Options
CCE Basic (2.67+), CCE SP (2.66+), CCE SP (2.5)
Used to Select the version of CCE you are using.
One Pass VBR (w/Analysis) EXPERIMENTAL
DVD-RB performs a analysis of the video and then encodes with CCE One-Pass VBR mode. This requires half, or less, of the time for a normal CCE encode, but output size is not guaranteed and quality will be less than the standard Multi-pass method. See this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76663) for more details.
Advanced (Expert) Settings
These settings are for advanced users, and do not have to be changed from the default. More information can be found in the CCE FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53770), Q. 7.
VBR_Bias
This setting controls how CCE distributes the bitrate. To quote jdobbs:
"When you do your first pass the bit allocation per frame/gop is set based on a constant quality. The bias determines how much weight is given toward keeping that allocation. Setting it higher prevents wild swings in bit allocation between frames/gops. Setting it lower makes the encoder allocate more bits to high demand areas as needed and less to low demand. ...The higher you set this value, the closer you get to CBR rather than VBR."
VBR_passes
Sets the total number of passes the CCE encoder makes. NOTE: This setting is not equal to CCE's "passes" setting because CCE does not count the initial .vaf creation pass.
Quality_prec
Also known as Image quality Priority in CCE 2.5 and Quantizer characteristics in CCE 2.66 +. This setting ranges from 0-64, but is scaled for CCE 2.5 which uses a 0-100 scale.
This setting controls whether CCE gives priority to the fine details of the image, or evenly colored flat areas. A low setting will give priority to details, but could result in blockiness or color banding. A high setting will favor flat areas, but could result in edge artifacts.
QuEnc Options
Trellis Quantization (Slower, Better Quality)
A encoder option that improves quality, but nearly doubles encoding time.
Custom Matrix (QLB on v.53)
The Custom Matrix is optimized for space/quality, and to reduce artifacts on low lit/dark scenes. Some image detail is effected though, so it is only recommended if you are using a low video bitrate. Check here (http://www.kvcd.org/portal/articles.php?lng=en&pg=20&prt=1) for the specifications.
Single-Pass Encode (Faster, Lower Quality)
If Enabled, encoding is done in one pass instead of the normal 2-pass method. Quality reduction could be significant, especially with low bitrate material.
High Quality Mode (Slower)
If Enabled, QuEnc's High quality mode is activated. This may produce better quality output, but is significantly slower than the standard mode.
Use Scene Detection
If Enabled, QuEnc will attempt to detect scene changes in the video in order to encode it more efficiently. This can produce non-standard video, so it should be treated as experimental at this time.
ReJig Options
Minimize Disc Space Requirements
Reserved for future use.
Special Error Processing
If enabled, an alternate rebuild method is used during the Rebuild phase. This method is designed for special cases in which certain #0003 or #0004 errors are encountered. This is temporary and will be removed in future versions. It is recommended that this option only be used as a last resort after you've encountered one of these errors, and not before, as it can cause other unpleasant effects. This option ONLY affects the rebuild phase. It is meant to counter what appears to be bad source timing parameters.
Set Background Color
If you are using the "Windows Standard" Skin (or any other skin that doesn't include a graphic background), this will allow you to change the window color. Graphical skins are not affected.

Setup Application Paths
The appropriate path must be set here before you can use certain encoding modes or features. In addition, when setting a CCE path you must select which version to use in Options:CCE Options on the main menu bar.
Path to CCE Basic
Use this to set the path to your CCE Basic (2.67+) executable. If you are using a TRIAL version of the program, you must first install and configure EclCCE and use the path to that program INSTEAD of the original CCE Basic Trial Version executable.
Path to CCE SP 2.50
Use this to set the the path to EclCCE, which must be installed and configured to use the CCE SP 2.5 executable . DO NOT set to the CCE 2.5 executable directly, even if it is NOT a trial version. DO NOT use this setting with newer versions of CCE.
Path to CCE SP (new)
Use this to set the path to your CCE SP (2.66 or greater) executable. If you are using a TRIAL version of the program, you must first install and configure EclCCE and use the path to that program INSTEAD of the original CCE SP Trial Version executable.
Path to ReJig
If you plan on using the free ReJig transcoder, you must set the path here.
Path to QuEnc
If you plan on using the free QuEnc MPEG2 encoder, you must set the path here.
Path to EclPro (ProCoder)
If you plan on using ProCoder you must first download and setup EclPro (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83334), then set the path to the EclPro executable here. DO NO set this to the ProCoder executable directly.
Path to Decoder
If you installed the DGDecode.dll or MEPG2DEC3dg.dll file into your AviSynth Plugins directory, you should not have to set this. If you do not want to auto-load the plugin, or are receiving script errors, you can set the path to the plugin here. It will then be explicitly defined in all .avs files.
Path to DECOMB.DLL
If you plan on using the AVS Option "Deinterlace with Decomb" you must first set the path to the Decomb.dll here.
Special Settings
Run Encoder(s) Minimized
Those Encoders that support it will be run minimized. CCE 2.5 does not support this, even with EclCCE.
Audio to Remove (default)
Check to Remove
CHECKING a language here will automatically REMOVE all audio tracks in that language by default when selecting a new source for a project. These selections can be overridden on a per-project basis in the main window. Be sure to click SAVE after making your selections.
Remove all DTS
If Enabled, all DTS audio tracks will be removed by default when selecting a new source for a project, regardless of language.
Subpictures to Remove (default)
Check to Remove
CHECKING a language here will automatically REMOVE all subtitle tracks in that language by default when selecting a new source for a project. These selections can be overridden on a per-project basis in the main window, unless you are using the "Windows Standard" skin, which lacks the selection box. Be sure to click SAVE after making your selections.
Skins
Use this menu to change the look of DVD ReBuilder. You can download new skins (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85148), or make your own (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84863).

Rockas Original
The new default look of DVD-RB.
Windows Standard
Check this option if you prefer the old look. You can change the window color using the "Change Background Color" option under the Options menu. Note: This skin does not have a subtitle selection window. So subtitles will be kept/removed based on your selections on the Setup screen.
Other
If you have installed other skins you will be able to select them here.
Rewrite Defaults
Use this option to overwrite the "Rockas Original" and "Windows Standard" with the version contained in the executable. This is useful if DVD-RB contains an updated version of the skin(s) or your local copy becomes corrupt.Help

Readme
Displays the readme file. This is also contained in the rebuilder.txt file that came with DVD ReBuilder.
Dis play Versions
This will print out the version numbers of various external software (CCE, AviSynth, DGDecode, etc) that DVD ReBuilder uses in the status panel. It is useful for verifying what versions DVD-RB is using and for reporting errors in the forum.
Make A Donation
This will open an IE window setup to make a PayPal donation to the author of DVD ReBuilder.
Check for Newest Version
This will open an IE window for the version announcement thread in the DVD ReBuilder forums.
About
Displays version, copyright, and author information. Including a convenient DONATE BUTTON (https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=DVD-RB%40comcast.net&item_name=DVD+ReBuilder+Development+Donation&item_number=DVD-RB-001&no_note=1&tax=0&currency_code=USD).

There are also a few Hidden Settings (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=482090#post482090) for advanced users.

12/15/2004 10:55PM

[wmansir]

Ok, here is the first version. I did this on my own so if anyone has any corrections, suggestions, questions or clarifications please feel free to post them.

EDIT1: updated to v0.36
EDIT2: updated to v0.40
EDIT3: updated to v0.43b
EDIT4: wrote Hidden Settings post, linked. Thanks djan.
EDIT5: updated to v0.45
EDIT6: updated to v0.47, also updated Hidden Settings.
EDIT7: updated to v0.50
EDIT8: updated to v0.52, also updated Hidden Settings.
EDIT9: updated to v0.69. Had to trim it a bit to get under the 16k character limit, I guess no more options can be added to DVD RB. :)

[YaoMing11]

Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates - Is it better to use this option or not? I always leave it unchecked.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by YaoMing11
Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates - Is it better to use this option or not? I always leave it unchecked.

I would recommend it be checked. Let me explain this setting better.

In normal mode, DVD-RB re-encodes all cells at the same bitrate. With Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates enabled, DVD-RB acts more like a traditional trancoder, which reduces each cell by a certain percentage in size.

Imagine we have a DVD called: Sleeping People and KungFu Explosions

Our imaginary DVD has 3 Cells equal in length, Cells 1 and 3 are of People Sleeping, in real time. Cell 2 contains our KungFu Explosions. Obviously Cell 2 will contains a lot more action, as such the authors of the original DVD gave that segment a higher bitrate when Encoding.

Original:
Cell 1: (Sleeping People) : Bitrate (4000)
Cell 2: (KungFu Explosions) : Bitrate (8000)
Cell 3: (Sleeping People: Reloaded): Bitrate (4000)

Overall Average Bitrate: 5333

In Normal mode, DVD-RB would just compute the overall average bitrate based on the length of all the video, then encode each segment with the same bitrate. DVD-RB decides it needs a 50% reduction to fit this imaginary DVD on a DVD-R:

Normal Mode:
Cell 1: (Sleeping People) : Bitrate (2666)
Cell 2: (KungFu Explosions) : Bitrate (2666)
Cell 3: (Sleeping People: Reloaded): Bitrate (2666)

Overall Average Bitrate: 2666

So, we achieved our 50% reduction overall. But, if we look at each cell individually we see that Cells 1 and 3 got a 66% reduction, and Cell 2 got a 33% reduction!

With Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates, DVD-RB looks at the average bitrate of the original Cell and scales it accordingly:

Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates:
Cell 1: (Sleeping People) : Bitrate (2000)
Cell 2: (KungFu Explosions) : Bitrate (4000)
Cell 3: (Sleeping People: Reloaded): Bitrate (2000)

Overall Average Bitrate: 2666

Here, we also achieve our 50% reduction overall. And each cell has a 50% individual reduction.

[smokeslikeapoet]

Originally posted by wmansir

VBR_passes
Sets the total number of passes the CCE encoder makes. NOTE: This setting is not equal to CCE's "passes" setting because CCE does not count the initial .vaf creation pass.


To clarify: If you normaly encode using three passes you would set this value to 4, and if you want five passes you would set it to 6.

The "VBR_passes" value equals the number of passes plus the initial .vaf creation pass.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

[wmansir]

That's right.

[djan]

Hi wmansir,

It would be nice if you can add hidden settings like "TargetSectors=" and whatever we can add under "[Options]" section in the .ini file.

[wmansir]

Thanks for the suggestin Djan. I've been mulling over doing that, but since there are only a couple of options I have been putting it off. I'll write up a quick post and link it.

[wmansir]

Hidden Settings

These are settings not available via the GUI, but can be set in the 'Rebuilder.ini' file in the your DVD ReBuilder program directory. (Note: this is not the same as the file created in the WORKING directory named 'Rebuilder.ini'). These settings are for advanced users, otherwise they wouldn't be hidden.

All optional settings MUST be placed in the '[Options]' section of the .ini file, otherwise they will be ignored. Any settings changed here will not be activated until the next time you run DVD-RB.

Target Output Size

TargetSectors= nnnn
CCETargetSectors=nnnn
ReJigTargetSectors=nnnn
QuEncTargetSectors=nnnn
ProCoderTargetSectors=nnnn

Use Sectors, 1 sector = 2Kb.
Example: CCETargetSectors=2236400

As a reference the default for DVD-RB is 2236400 sectors and the maximum for a DVD-5 is 2297888. You should always leave a some room for error.

TargetSectors will be the default for all methods. Other, mode specific, target sector settings will override it when using that mode.

[Note added by jdobbs] The output size in bytes that will result from the specified value can be calculated as: TargetSectors * 2048 * 1.015


Minimum and Maximum Bitrates Effects CCE MODE only.

min_bitrate=nnnn
max_bitrate=nnnn

Use Kbps.
Example: max_bitrate=9000

No error checking is done on the numbers so take care. Setting them incorrectly can seriously degrade the quality of the picture. Also note that changing them can cause oversized or undersized output.

VTS Minimium Size Re-Encode Threshold

vts_min_size=n

Range:0-?, Default: 25625 (~52 MB)

The parameter specifies the number of sectors (2048 bytes each) that defines the point at which a VTS will be either encoded or copies intact. Anything this size or smaller will be simply copied into the output VIDEO_TS directory (it won't be further compressed).

One-Pass Analysis Options

Q_sample_percentage=n

Range: .1 - 25, Default: 1.0

Specifies what percentage of the video will be analyzed in order to estimate the final video size. Increasing this number may improve file size accuracy in OPV mode, at the cost of increased analysis time.

Q_ROM_constant=n

Range: 200 - 300, Default: 256

Used to estimate a Rough Order of Magnitude (ROM) Q value for the first pass using the formula:

Q = (framecount / targetsectors) * Q_ROM_Constant

Changing this should not affect the final output, but may reduce the number of analysis passes needed to find the final Q value. This shouldn't be changed unless you find DVD-RB consistently over/under estimating the initial Q value for your source material.

[djan]

Thx wmansir, this is well explained.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by smokeslikeapoet
To clarify: If you normaly encode using three passes you would set this value to 4, and if you want five passes you would set it to 6.

The "VBR_passes" value equals the number of passes plus the initial .vaf creation pass.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I am new to CCE... so does that mean I am getting one pass only with the default set at 2 passes on DVD-RB in settings...? I am using one click method.

Will I see quality improvements by setting this to 4 (3 passes)? or is setting it to 3 (2 passes enough)?

Will this increase encoding time dramatically for each pass...?

[wmansir]

No, you get 2-passes if you set DVD-RB to 2 passes. With CCE 1 pass creates a .vaf file, all additional passes output the video (.mpv) and refine it. CCE doesn't count the .vaf creation, which is where all the confusion comes in.

All passes take the same time (even the .vaf creation) so if you set DVD-RB to 4 passes instead of 2 passes, it will take twice as long.

The effects on quality are debatable, and subjective. It also depends a lot on the source and your bitrate. Last I heard the general consensus was that 4 passes will max out the quality in normal situations. Some say even that is overkill. If your using a lower bitrate, or have a very complex source, you can try up to 6 passes. Most people agree that after that you don't get any more quality.

[geffroman]

So do you believe changing the number of passes from 2 to 3 in the Advanced Menu under CCE in DVD-RB would show some visible quality gain under heavy compression...?

[wmansir]

Like I said, it is subjective and depends on several factors, including the video content. You can always run a couple of quick tests on one of the smaller cells and see if you think it is worth the difference.

[geffroman]

OK... Is there a scenario where an extra pass could degrade the final quality...? or is it just a matter of possibly no gain for all the extra time spent...?

[wmansir]

It will never hurt, just waste time.

[DocDragon]

Originally posted by wmansir


Normal Mode:
Cell 1: (Sleeping People) : Bitrate (2666)
Cell 2: (KungFu Explosions) : Bitrate (2666)
Cell 3: (Sleeping People: Reloaded): Bitrate (2666)

Overall Average Bitrate: 2666

So, we achieved our 50% reduction overall. But, if we look at each cell individually we see that Cells 1 and 3 got a 66% reduction, and Cell 2 got a 33% reduction!


thanks for the great posting, wmansir! i just found a small calculation error (after reading it for so many times ;) ):

"cells 1 and 3 got a 33% reduction, and cell 1 got a 66% reduction" -- 8000 to 2666 is 66%, agreed? it's only a small bug, but since your settings explanation is a reference, nobody should get confused. :D

DD

[wmansir]

I was using the common DVDShink (and perhaps all 1-click programs) nomenclature in which the the original video is 100% and they are reduced to X% of the original size. So it wasn't really a math mistake, but perhaps a mistake of unclear wording.

[Pop_Smith]

Note: This was copied from Vurbal's guide which you can read here: http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/dvd_rebuilder_tutorial_advanced_page_6.cfm
Hidden Settings

There are some settings you can only adjust by editing a text file called Rebuilder.ini with a text editor like Notepad. These are referred to as Hidden Settings because they're not visible in the GUI. All the settings mentioned here will need to go after the [Options] line and before [CCEOptions]. The settings relevant to CCE Basic are for setting the size of the finished project and the minimum/maximum bitrate. I've included examples of my settings where applicable. The graphic on the right shows my own INI file with the one tweak I use. For the other two settings, xxxx needs to be replaced with the actual number you want to use.


CCETargetSectors=2260000

This sets the size of the DVD. The default size (without this line) is 2236400, which in my experience gives you a final size of about 4.32GB. When I first set this option, I used 2265000 instead of 2260000 and it worked fine, except that it eventually gave me a DVD that was 14MB too big for a blank. Since lowering it by 5000 I've never had this problem (most movies end up within 30MB of a full disk), although occasionally using RB-Opt to change bitrates after the Prepare Phase lowers the size marginally.

If you're using lower quality or questionable media it's best to leave this setting alone because it will help you avoid playback problems due to poor dye distribution on the outside edge of the disc. In any case, this setting is more for those of us who want the disc full on general principle since the default setting should fill about 99% of the disc already, and the extra 1% isn't likely to get you any noticeable increase in quality.

min_bitrate=xxxx

This sets the minimum bitrate setting in kbps (kilobits per second). By default, DVD Rebuilder sets this to 0, which actually means it's undefined in CCE. If you want to set a specific minimum, make sure it's set to something other than 0. I don't see any reason to use this setting, but it's there if you want to use it.


max_bitrate=xxxx

This sets the maximum bitrate for CCE to use when encoding. To be DVD compliant, a video stream can't have a bitrate higher than 9800kbps. Furthermore, the combined bitrate of the video and all audio streams associated with it can't exceed 10080kbps. For example, if your final DVD has both a 448kbps Dolby Digital stream and a 768kbps (no that's not a typo!) DTS stream, the maximum available bitrate is 10080 - (448 + 768) = 8864kbps. Since the default setting is 9000kbps, you can probably see where this option may be useful if you plan to include multiple audio tracks. If you're not including a DTS stream (or several Dolby Digital streams) in your project this setting can normally be ignored. In any case, it's best to leave a little room for error and keep it at least 200kbps or so lower than it absolutely has to be. In my example I'd probably want it set to 8500 just to be safe.

Generally, when you have a lot of audio streams, or even just a couple with high bitrates, you won't have space on the disc for particularly high peak bitrates anyway, so you're not really losing anything by setting this lower, but you may avoid a single bitrate spike that could cause playback issues.

[wmansir]

As a reference the default for DVD-RB is 2236400 sectors and the maximum for a DVD-5 is 2297888. You should always leave a some room for error.


I think the Max for DVD-5 isn't correct here. Technically it's right, I mean it adds up to the right MBs, but with that setting DVD-RB always oversizes for me (~4.43GB).

The default, 2236400 sectors, almost always gives 4.32GBs. But at 2kb a sector that should = 4.26GB. Anyway, I think the actual max (4.38GB) is around 2267500. Perhaps there is a 1k = 1000 vs 1024 error somewhere?

Have others noticed this?

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by Pop_Smith


Are the hidden settings only to be used with CCE Basic?
Currently I'm using CCE 2.67.00.27 Trial

I want to be absolute sure where to put the settings. Could you please insert the settings in mine:

[Options]
LoadPlugin=0
AudioDub=0
CCE=1
OneClick=1
ReduceOpt=0
Completed=4
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=10
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=10
[Setup]

You wrote: All the settings mentioned here will need to go after the [Options] line and before [CCEOptions]

Does it matter where I input the CCETargetSectors=2265000, if only its between [options] and [CCEOptions]?

I usually have a finished result with lack of 80 mb so I could use this setting just to fill out the media completely.

/Julius

[wmansir]

[Options]
LoadPlugin=0
AudioDub=0
CCE=1
OneClick=1
ReduceOpt=0
Completed=4
TargetSectors=2264000
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=10
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=10
[Setup]


That's the value I use. You can place the line anywhere in the [options] section.

[eriksen76]

Originally posted by wmansir
[Options]
LoadPlugin=0
AudioDub=0
CCE=1
OneClick=1
ReduceOpt=0
Completed=4
TargetSectors=2264000
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=10
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=10
[Setup]


That's the value I use. You can place the line anywhere in the [options] section.

Thanx but do I enter *TargetSectors=2264000* or *CCETargetSectors=2264000* ???

/Julius

[Fr4nz]

The first one.

[Zilwer]

so what target sector should i put if i want it under 4 gig?

[wmansir]

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=532198#post532198

[HornyBass]

# Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras
If Enabled, any extras (that are outside the main [largest] VTS) are resized to Half-D1 and allocated half the normal bitrate. The "recovered" space will be allocated to the main VTS. For movies with a lot of extras this can significantly improve the bitrate for the main movie. This option will NOT work with ReJig Mode.
# Steal space from Extras
This option allows you to improve your main movie quality by reducing the quality of extras. It works by taking storage space (25%, 33%, or 50%) from whatever is in use by the extra and then reallocating it to the movie. This reallocation of space happens BEFORE other options -- so, for example, if you choose Half-D1/Half-Space and also choose 50% reduction, the Half-D1 size will be halved twice, resulting in a Half-D1/One-Quarter space. -- This option is only valid when the "Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates" option is enabled.

So, even if the largest VTS is not the first VTS (e.g : see the enclosed screenshot) it will be considered as the main movie VTS?

http://membres.lycos.fr/madoverclocker/forums/deeds.jpg

[wmansir]

Yes, the largest VTS. Order does not matter.

[HornyBass]

Originally posted by wmansir
Yes, the largest VTS. Order does not matter.

Thanks for the confirmation :)

I definitely think that is the best forum/site I know so far (and I visit or I'm a staff member of a lot of sites), you can find anything you need/want and there is always someone to lay an helpfull hand.

Congrats guies, and congrats to jdobbs for his great job.

[szabi]

Hi wmansir

I read your preferred setting is Quality_prec=16, and I am really curious, why do you prefer using this? Because I can not decide between 16 or 24.

I found these things;

1. Cinema craft encoder SP User Guide (it is a pdf file from cinemacraft website):
When the value is close to 0, the mosquito noise at the edges (noise causing hazy partalong the edges, looking like flying mosquitoes) is less outstanding,but the contouring noise (noise which looks like contour line patterns,which appear in flat and wide areas, such as a dark background) is more outstanding. The opposite occurs when the value is closer to 64. As the value becomes smaller, the mosquito noise is less outstanding, but the contouring noise is more outstanding. The optimal setting depends on the footage, but roughly speaking, 16 to 40 is recommended. If the bitrate is relatively high, greater value may cause better result.

2. DVD Rebuilder guide (from doom9's guide)
This setting determines if CCE gives priority to image details, or evenly colored areas. The lower the value, the more priority will be given to details, which could result in blockyness or banding in other areas. A high value will result in good looking evenly colored areas, but could result in edge artifacts.

3. CCE FAQ ( from here by RB)
Generally, you should use a higher value at higher bitrates. With CCE 2.66/2.67 and bitrates above 3000 kbps, 25-30 is my preferred choice

4. Your opinion (from dvd rebuilder settings)
This setting controls whether CCE gives priority to the fine details of the image, or evenly colored flat areas. A low setting will give priority to details, but could result in blockiness or color banding. A high setting will favor flat areas, but could result in edge artifacts.

Can you check or fix the following statements?

I think so, if the average bitrate is above 3600-3700kb I can use Quality_prec=16 because it is high enough, that's why the movie will not be blockiness but will be detailed, sharped and will not lose any colour from movie.
If bitrate is between 3100-3600kb I should use Quality_prec=24 because of preventing any blockiness but in this case the movie will be smoother and less detailed. But it is bifficult to see that.
Below 3100kb Quality_prec should be higher than 24 but the quality of movie will decrease.

Of course it depends on the difficulties and complicated of movie.
And I use RB-Optimizer to set up Rebuilder's files, and I check distribution of avg bitrate, and these bitrate only concern to main movie.

What do you think?

So far I use Quality_prec=24, but now I have a DVD which can be recompressed avg.4080kb (just main movie) that's why I thought I should use 16 instead of 24.

I look forward your answer.
Thanks

szabi

[szabi]

Hi wmansir

I am again.:)
I wanted to tell a problem, with VBR_bias my previous reply but I had to be hurry.
I prefer using 15, and I set up it in ReBuilder and check it in RB-Optimizer. after this problem I checked rebuilder.ecl and item.ecl as well, and VBR_bias was OK
I started encoding and the rebuilder loaded item.ecl to CCE. I was interested whether CCE uses a good settings, that's why I stopped RB and CCE, and I started to check these settings. Everything was loaded right from item.ecl except VBR_bias. It was 30 instead of 15. I tried to use any other setting but it is always 30.
It does not depend on which passes is stopped, and checked.
I asked an other user to check it and he wrote he had this problem too.

I don't understand that.
Can I ask you to check it too?

Otherwise, would there be big difference between same movies if one of them was compressed by VBR_bias 15, and other was by 30?

Please, somebody check it.

Bye
szabi

[emberarc]

I think I don't understand this problem exactly. Is the Quality prec value (in DVD-RB) the same thing as Q value in RB-OPT? If it isn't what does the RB-OPT predict on a prepared stuff? If it is what are those optimal values (16,24) when you can use RB-OPT to find the best one?

thanx

:confused:

[szabi]

Hi emberarc

My problem is only that I don't know which is the best choice in some difference bitrate case.

I hoped somebody might check my statements about using difference quality_prec in a difference bitrate.

Anyway can you check a problem with VBR_bias?

A message was sent for you.

Bye
szabi

[wmansir]

First I just want to let people know I updated the settings to v0.69. The last update was v0.52 which was quite out of date in some places.


@szabi
Quality_Prec=16 isn't what I recommend to use, it's just the default jdobbs used. 24 is probably better for most movies, but 16 isn't bad for a default.

I prefer a lower value (like 16) for low bitrate movies because I find the edge noise/mosquito noise more annoying than the blockiness. Of course it could be different for another viewer or source, so the best advice is to just try playing around with it and see what works best. If you have an adequate bitrate you probably won't be able to tell the difference at all.

I haven't checked out the possible VB_bias issue yet because I'm running a large batch job which won't be done until tomorrow.

@emberarc

Quality Precision and the "Q" value are two different things.

Quality_Prec tells CCE how to distribute the bits within the frame.

The "Q" value is for One-Pass VBR. In OPV you give CCE a quality value (Q) and it encodes the video to maintain that quality, adjust the bitrate to meet whatever the need is to reach that quality.

[szabi]

Hello

Have you checked the VBR_bias is always 30 problem yet?

Bye
szabi

Merry Christmas for everyone

[wmansir]

The VBR_bias was set correctly in my test.

Did you re-run the prepare step after making the changes?

[szabi]

Hi

I used prepare function once, I did not change vbr_bias, and I did not re-run prepare test again. Vbr_bias was always 15, but during encoding CCE uses 30. This problem can be only seen if you stop encoding and check vbr_bias setting in CCE. I can see that in item.ecl, vbr_bias is 15, and I can not understand why CCE uses 30. If I load item.ecl to CCE then vbr_bias is 15, but this is made by rebuilder then it is 30. Despite to the fact item.ecl is correct.
But since I wrote this I think so 30 is better than 15.

I have an other question.
Now I have a movie which has 3082kb/s AVG bitrate. This movie contains 45 cells. 17 of them have lower AVG bitrate than 3000, and 5 of them have under 2500 AVG bitrate.
My preferred settings are vbr_bias=25; q_prec=24; eclpasses=4.
Can I change settings of these items which have low AVG bitrate?
For example if the item's bitrate were between 3000 and 2500 I would modify their settings to the following vbr_bias=25; q_prec=20; eclpasses=6, and under 2500 I would use vbr_bias=25; q_prec=18; eclpasses=10. This can be changed in rebuilder.ecl.
Is it a good idea or not?
I'm curious your opinion.
Would it work at all?

bye
szabi

[SlipGun]

Just wondering ... what's the command to set target sectors when using Procoder?

ProcoderTargetSectors= ?

Edit: Nevermind, confirmed. You may want to add it to your post, wmansir.

[hiemster8]

Sorry to be a total dumb*** but I cannot find my Rebuilder.ini file for advanced settings. I just can not seem to find it. I am sure it would have bitten me if it was a snake.:(

[hiemster8]

[Options]
OneClick=1
NoWarn=1
Completed=4
Skin=Rockas Original
ReduceOpt=1
HalfExtras=0
CCE=2
Backcolor=12632256
[Paths]
CCEBasic=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder Basic\cct2.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\Dgmpgdec1012\DGDecode.dll
Source=C:\PRETTYINPINK\VIDEO_TS\
Working=D:\
Output=D:\
[Setup]
Language11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguage11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[Audio]
Selected=110
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=3





Is it this file?

[wmansir]

Yes

[hiemster8]

[Options]
OneClick=1
NoWarn=1
Completed=4
Skin=Rockas Original
ReduceOpt=1
HalfExtras=0
CCE=2
Backcolor=12632256
[Paths]
CCEBasic=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder Basic\cct2.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\Dgmpgdec1012\DGDecode.dll
Source=C:\PRETTYINPINK\VIDEO_TS\
Working=D:\
Output=D:\
[Setup]
Language11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguage11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[Audio]
Selected=110
TargetSectors=2264000
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=3



Do I add Target sectors here and it will fix the size for me on my next rebuild?

[hiemster8]

Thank you so much for the input. :)
You r d bomb.:D

[wmansir]

Yes, add it in the [Options] section. And just to be clear you have to redo the whole DVD-RB process, not just the final rebuild step.

If you run the prepare step before and after you make the change you should notice the "overall bitrate" reported in the status window will change.

[hiemster8]

Sorry, what is the prepare step?:confused:

[hiemster8]

[Options]
OneClick=1
NoWarn=1
Completed=4
Skin=Rockas Original
ReduceOpt=1
HalfExtras=0
CCE=2
Backcolor=12632256
[Paths]
CCEBasic=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder Basic\cct2.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\Dgmpgdec1012\DGDecode.dll
Source=C:\SOPRANOS3\VIDEO_TS\
Working=D:\
Output=D:\
[Setup]
Language11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
sLanguage11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
[Audio]
Selected=110
TargetSectors=2264000
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=3


Is this correct?

[wmansir]

NO, you have to put it in the [Options] Section, between the line

[Options]

and

[Paths]

Like this:

[Options]
OneClick=1
NoWarn=1
Completed=4
Skin=Rockas Original
ReduceOpt=1
HalfExtras=0
CCE=2
Backcolor=12632256
TargetSectors=2264000
[Paths]
CCEBasic=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder Basic\cct2.exe
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\Dgmpgdec1012\DGDecode.dll
Source=C:\SOPRANOS3\VIDEO_TS\
Working=D:\
Output=D:\
[Setup]
Language1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
1111111111111111111111111
sLanguage111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
11111111111111111111111111
[Audio]
Selected=110
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=3


The prepare step is the first part of the DVD-RB process, Prepare, Encode, Rebuild. Under the "Mode" menu you can turn off "One Click Mode" and it will let you run them individually. With 1-click turned on you just have the "transcode" button that runs all three steps automatically.

[hiemster8]

AAHH, i c

Thanks so much!

[hiemster8]

OH, Thank you I see what you mean now.:)
Thank you for all the help and putting up with me.:scared:

[borgraf]

Originally posted by wmansir
TargetSectors=2264000

sorry for going off on a tangent but will that size fit on a +R disc?