RealPlayer 10.5, installation, performance, etc.

[hellfred]

Hi Karl_lillevold

I just want to mention that on my WinXP Home SP1, RealPlayer 10 Gold still has problems with full screen toggeld by pressing F9 (Theater mode) and then Ctrl+3 (or was it Alt+3).
Desktop disappears and is replaced by a black screen. Turning of fullscrenn/theater mode or switching to another application does not work. Only way out is to kill RealPlayer via TaskManager.

As that system is not connected to the internet I could not update the player.

Hellfred

[karl_lillevold]

blkbird: I think the only upgrade has been to include the codecs, but I will check.

hellfred: you have Win98, right? Which video card? The techniques RealPlayer uses for optimized video playback (overlay) are pretty standard DirectShow methods, so when there is a problem like this, it is in most cases a problem in the video card driver. In some cases, with known driver bugs, RealPlayer uses some work-arounds, but it is hard to keep track of all bugs in older video cards. You can try the slider for Video Card Compatibility in Preferences->Hardware, and see if any other position than far left makes the problem go away.

[hellfred]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
blkbird: I think the only upgrade has been to include the codecs, but I will check.

hellfred: you have Win98, right? Which video card? The techniques RealPlayer uses for optimized video playback (overlay) are pretty standard DirectShow methods, so when there is a problem like this, it is in most cases a problem in the video card driver. In some cases, with known driver bugs, RealPlayer uses some work-arounds, but it is hard to keep track of all bugs in older video cards. You can try the slider for Video Card Compatibility in Preferences->Hardware, and see if any other position than far left makes the problem go away.
I have acdess to two different machines: One old PIII-550MHz with Windows98, which is mine, and one P4-3.06GHz HT running WinXP SP1 (see message above).
The later one is mainly used for encoding during night time but there i also happen to have the problem with video fullscreen.
I do can watch the video in fullscreen, but only when i switch to theater mode and ask for zoom factor 2. As the two time source width is wider than screen width, the image is just zoomed to fit on the screen (->"fullscreen"). Using the icon or shortcut for fullscreen will result in the black output discribed above. If it is an driver issue, then it must be in the special way RealPlayer activates the direct show output, which must somehow differ from the way the direct show output is triggered when using factor 2.

Hellfred

/Edit: It is getting stranger. I can use Ctrl+3 to get into full screen mode during playback sucessfully, but while viewing AVIs.
When i try to switch into fullscreen while playing one of my home made RV10, I get the black screen.
My home made files were done with the beta of helix producer, 640x384, HE-AAC @ 64, RV10 @ 600, new RC, using YSRealAnime pre2.

[karl_lillevold]

RealPlayer is doing things differently wrt overlay surfaces when it's playing RealVideo vs AVI files, so I am not surprised it behaves differently.

1) For recent ATI cards (Radeon 8xxx and above), RealPlayer uses a h/w based postfilter (DVPF). This is not doing anything for RV9/10, but still the same pipeline is being used for video mem cpy, and has sometimes caused problems, but only with older Catalyst drivers, I think. Do your systems have ATI Radeon video cards?
You can disable DVPF with this reg key (http://www.lillevold.com/files/nodvpf.reg):

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RealNetworks\RealMediaSDK\10.0\Preferences\VideoBoost\DisableHWPostFilter]
@="1"


2) For RealVideo a triple-buffer scheme is used to avoid tearing. I think DirectShow based players used a similar scheme. You can disable this by moving the video card h/w compatibility slider to the middle. Please try this.

EDIT: reg key : 6.0 -> 10.0

[hellfred]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
RealPlayer is doing things differently wrt overlay surfaces when it's playing RealVideo vs AVI files, so I am not surprised it behaves differently.

1) For recent ATI cards (Radeon 8xxx and above), RealPlayer uses a h/w based postfilter (DVPF). This is not doing anything for RV9/10, but still the same pipeline is being used for video mem cpy, and has sometimes caused problems, but only with older Catalyst drivers, I think. Do your systems have ATI Radeon video cards?
You can disable DVPF with this reg key (http://www.lillevold.com/files/nodvpf.reg):

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RealNetworks\RealMediaSDK\6.0\Preferences\VideoBoost\DisableHWPostFilter]
@="1"


2) For RealVideo a triple-buffer scheme is used to avoid tearing. I think DirectShow based players used a similar scheme. You can disable this by moving the video card h/w compatibility slider to the middle. Please try this.
1.)

The card in this machine is a special ATI card:

Medion RADEON 9800XL
Driver from ATI Technologies Inc.
Date: 12.08.2003
Version: 6.14.10.6378

I will try to get a newer dirver. Switching the DV postfilter on and off did not do the trick. I am still unable to go to fullscreen directly.

2.)
RealPlayer -> Tools -> Preferences.. -> Hardware -> Video Card Compatibility -> middel position

Fullscreen is finally working with RV10 videos :-)
Do I have a chance to get the triple-buffering working with the latest driver or by changing the Output settings in MediaPlayerClassic. Aren't those gloabal and can harm the output of RealPlayer?
In the moment they are set like this:
DirectShow Video: VMR9 (renderless)
RealMedia Video: DirectX 9
VMR7/9 & DirectX 7/9 settings: Use regular offscreen plain surfaces

74 MB for a ATI dirver. That is not ture, is it?

[karl_lillevold]

that's a pretty old ATI driver you have, and I think this driver had a bug in the DVPF postfilter, so I am surprised the reg key did not work. Ah, I think the reg location changed in RealPlayer 10. Replace "6.0" with "10.0" in the reg key and try again... Remember to move the slider back to fully optimized...

EDIT: Triple-buffering should work just fine in Media Player Classic, no matter what you set the h/w compatibility to in RealPlayer 10. MPC does not use the RealMedia rendering engine, when it is set to DirectShow for RealMedia.

[hellfred]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
that's a pretty old ATI driver you have, and I think this driver had a bug in the DVPF postfilter, so I am surprised the reg key did not work. Ah, I think the reg location changed in RealPlayer 10. Replace "6.0" with "10.0" in the reg key and try again... Remember to move the slider back to fully optimized...

EDIT: Triple-buffering should work just fine in Media Player Classic, no matter what you set the h/w compatibility to in RealPlayer 10. MPC does not use the RealMedia rendering engine, when it is set to DirectShow for RealMedia.
As this card was specially made for the manufactor Medion, i only have little choice concerning dirvers:

ATI
Grafik Treiber
6.14.10.6378
Win XP
Bereitstellungsdatum 18.12.2003

or

ATI
Grafik Treiber
6.14.10.6378
Win 2000/Win 98SE/Win ME/Win XP
Bereitstellungsdatum 17.11.2003
Bisherige Downloads 37612

(http://www1.medion.de/downloads/?op=search&lang=de&type=TEXT&param=9800+XL&imageField.x=0&imageField.y=0)
So actually I just get the dirver v6.14.10.6378 from the manufactor :(

Do you think i can use an generic crystal driver from ATI?

CATALYST Windows XP 4.4 - Driver Download
(http://www.ati.de/support/drivers/winxp/radeonwdm-xp.html?type=xp&prodType=graphic&prod=productsXPdriver&submit.x=9&submit.y=8&submit=GO%21)

Hellfred

EDIT: The Releas notes of the 4.4 Catalyst driver claim to support the whole 9800 family. I hope they did not forget the 9800XL when stating this.

[Valky]

I just upgraded my player to this newer one and noticed one thing. In RealPlayer the picture somehow much more colourful and sharpen than in mpc. Why is that? It's almost like my hard efforts for removing the rainbow effects in old Fawlty Tower backups are back when using RealPlayer to watch these clips?

[bond]

lo karl
i just read that the new realplayer seems to support .mp4 (with mpeg-4 video) playback again,
someone reported some problems with it tough here (https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=2593473), maybe you want to have a look or point someone from real to it

[karl_lillevold]

That's right: RealPlayer 10 now again auto-updates with an MPEG-4 video decoder, no longer Envivio's though.

Re: reported problems on SourceForge
The PAR problem, which is discussed in the Helix Player forum on Helix Community (https://helixcommunity.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=346&forum_id=7), is being worked on. I can not see any problems with A/V sync on my system, and I do not know which XviD settings our decoder can not decode. If the person having these problems reports them on Helix Community and includes some test files to reproduce, someone will look into it. Thanks.

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
That's right: RealPlayer 10 now again auto-updates with an MPEG-4 video decoder, no longer Envivio's though.great! :)
do you know if it supports full advanced simple profile and streamed mp4s too?
yeah, i know i should test it myself :D

Re: reported problems on SourceForge
The PAR problem, which is discussed in the Helix Player forum on Helix Community (https://helixcommunity.org/forum/forum.php?thread_id=346&forum_id=7), is being worked on. I can not see any problems with A/V sync on my system, and I do not know which XviD settings our decoder can not decode. If the person having these problems reports them on Helix Community and includes some test files to reproduce, someone will look into it. Thanks. ok, thanks :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Great news about Mpeg4 and MP4 playback Karl,

In previous players, Mpeg4 playback looked like it comprised of thousands of tiny blocks!

Do you have any cool features planned for the decoder?


Cheers

[karl_lillevold]

The decoder supports the Simple Profile and as far as I know, both local playback and streaming. We have Advanced Simple features implemented, but they were not well enough tested to be made available in the current release.

Now what would be cool features :) ?

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
The decoder supports the Simple Profile and as far as I know, both local playback and streaming. We have Advanced Simple features implemented, but they were not well enough tested to be made available in the current release.goodie :)

Now what would be cool features :) ?mpeg-4 systems decoding, smart enough to handle systems streams, created by my mp4menu script :D

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Now what would be cool features :) ? Anamorphic signalling detection in both AVI and MP4.

Elementary stream playback

Chapter search

Subtitle support

Menu support

Video image flipping (XviD DSdec has that and I like it :D)

Stream analysis (frames, ?-VOP's, Qpel, VBR)


Cheers

[iradic]

hi

i have been adding some clip info in job files (title, author, copyright, keywords, comment, created with and description) but in 'RealPlayer -> View Clip Info' i can only see title, author and copyright... (also gabest real splitter shows comment instead of description or maybe it should be like that - well it doesnt matter)...

so everytime i need to go to 'Edit Clip Info' and change things - also i use 'Lyrics' instead of 'Description'...

another thing - tried rmeditor to change some mistakes in info in rmvb file (spelling) but resulting file is unplayable - cmd line: rmedtior -i <infile> -t "<title>" -o <outfile> (file info was already edited in RealPlayer)...

thanks bye

[karl_lillevold]

Jul 2004: RealPlayer 10.5 Beta is available for download. http://www.real.com/harmony. It includes the Harmony technology which enables your purchased songs from the RealNetworks Music store at 192 kbps AAC to be transferred to a number of portable devices, including the iPod. See this post and thread (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24321&view=findpost&p=229181) for some details.

Quote from post on hydrogenaudio.org:

"As you know, the RealNetworks music store sells songs in 192 kbps AAC (as opposed to iTMS at 128 kbps). When transferring your purchased songs to the iPod, the AAC itself is not touched, but the Helix DRM is transmuxed to a DRM compatible with the iPod, i.e. fully protected and without trans-coding. If you then transfer the file back to your PC (for instance with Anapod), you get an M4P file, that is a protected MPEG-4 AAC file."

I did not work on this myself, I work with video codecs, but this is how you will see it works, after 5 minutes of testing, and is how the press release describes it as well, in less technical terms."

[bond]

heya karl, i recently played around with realplayers .mp4 capabilities and i found the following two things:

1) realplayer doesnt seem to be able to play .mp4 files with 64bit atoms, as written by default by nero recode2

2) realplayer doesnt seem to be able to play mp3 audio streams placed in .mp4, altough the player is able to play .mp3 of course
i think that issue should be maybe very easily solvable :)

apart from that the latest version seem to support full advanced simple profile already!
good work real :)

[karl_lillevold]

bond: thanks! and I did verify #1, which should be filed as a bug shortly. I also created a sample for #2, using mp4creator60, which plays in RealPlayer 10, but with occasional gaps in audio playback.

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
I also created a sample for #2, using mp4creator60, which plays in RealPlayer 10, but with occasional gaps in audio playback.hm i dunno how i created the mp3-in-mp4 sample, but i now remuxed a mp3 to mp4 with 3ivx and it worked great (no gaps)! realplayer also played back perfectly mp2/mp1 in .mp4

on another side i seem to have been to early: realplayer only played back the advanced simple profile mpeg-4 video stream cause it seems to wrap the directshow filters installed, after uninstalling 3ivx, i now get a message from quicktime, that it cant play asp :D
is there any way to check what plays the file, and is there a way to disable that for example quicktime gets used, or do i have to uninstall everything, which could play a .mp4 on my system to get realplayer itself decode the file :D

and another question related to streaming: do you know what streaming methods realplayer supports? will it support .mp4 files streamed from apples darwin server?

[karl_lillevold]

RealPlayer does not utilize DirectShow directly for playback, but it does use Quicktime for .mov, which I guess may call DirectShow indirectly. I am not sure, since on my system I can play back .mp4 in RealPlayer itself using Real's MPEG-4 video decoder, so I can not reproduce your problem.

The player should show 'qt' right next to the bitrate if it uses Quicktime. Another option is
Tools->Playback Statistics->Streams, and then select the audio or video stream in the pull-down menu.

EDIT: if Quicktime, streams info above should be blank. If using Real's decoders, it should say "MPEG-4 Video" and/or "AAC Audio".

[bond]

hm can you confirm that playback of mpeg-4 asp (b-frames, qpel, gmc aso) works?

here with 10.5 i see two situations:
i open a asp .mp4 file with b-frames only - i get a "quicktime warning: cant play...", a message which is obvioulsy from quicktime itself, which i also have installed
after the message the player freezes

the other situation is a full asp stream in .mp4, with qpel, b-vops, gmc, custom quants - i only get a "cannot start playback" message from realplayer

[karl_lillevold]

bond: The Real MPEG-4 video decoder is only Simple Profile, not Advanced Simple. Our Qpel and GMC implementations were not included. Any advice on encoder or muxer to use to create an MPEG-4 video file with Simple + B frames?

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Any advice on encoder or muxer to use to create an MPEG-4 video file with Simple + B frames?the best muxers are 3ivx and mp4box, i dont know any issues with them currently
for the codec side, it should work with divx5, xvid, ffdshow/ffvfw...

[karl_lillevold]

thanks, I created some sample files (http://www.lillevold.com/files/video_samples) for feature experiments .. Directory contains both AVI and MP4 versions. I used the 3ivx Muxer (4.5.1) to convert from AVI to MP4:

video_xvid_simple.mp4: plays without error
video_xvid_b.mp4: plays *)
video_ffdshow_b.mp4: plays *)
video_xvid_b_qpel.mp4: plays with distortion

*) In the Simple+B versions, both ffdshow and XviD encoded, the 3ivx Muxer seems to have discarded the 1st key frame, or introduced some other error. The AVIs play OK, but the MP4 versions not in any player or decoder.

[bond]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
I used the 3ivx Muxer (4.5.1) to convert from AVI to MP4:ah, one thing i forgot about 3ivx is that it indicates always simple profile in the .mp4, no matter what profile the stream actually is
this not the case with mp4box
this makes a difference for quicktime, as qt blocks all .mp4 files when they indicate asp, without looking at the streams themselves

video_xvid_b.mp4: plays *)i get the qt message again (i use version 10.5)
video_xvid_b_qpel.mp4: plays with distortioni get the "cant start playback" message

how can i check that i have the real mpeg-4 video plugin installed? and that it is used during playback?

In the Simple+B versions, both ffdshow and XviD encoded, the 3ivx Muxer seems to have discarded the 1st key frame, or introduced some other error. The AVIs play OK, but the MP4 versions not in any player or decoder.hm interesting, i know that this can happen when you disable "use clock" in graphedit when muxing

[karl_lillevold]

A little late, but I added to the News section in the first post, the information about 49c music downloads from the Real Music store using RealPlayer 10.5. Yes, songs are being sold at a loss, essentially subsidizing everyone's purchases, so the promotion will not last much longer. I apologize for the "sales pitch", but it is a little unique, and is not likely to occur again soon.

The topic is discussed on hydrogenaudio (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=26213).

[S_O]

I found bug in RealPlayer: I played a mp4 (in fact it is 3gp) in it, but always when I move the mouse over the video window, the video breaks, it becomes blocky, the colors are wrong, etc. That´s normally fixed when I move the mouse outside the video and the next I frame is there.
Also I tried to play a mp4 on a system without QuickTime installed: It downloads additionally software, then it tells me that I need QuickTime. It even refuses just to play the AAC inside without video.
Another problem is, a file that starts in QuickTime with a warning, that the profile used is not supported by QT, also it plays fine in QT, RealPlayer shows the same messagebox, but the window is not active and I cannot click it, also the player window is disabled and I have to kill RealPlayer using the Task-Manager. This seems to happen randomly.

Any idea when the Real MPEG-4 Decoder become publicly available? Will it correctly decode all MPEG-4 ASP (AVC?) Video? Does it contain decoders for the other MPEG-4 Audio Formats (CELP, TwinVQ, HVXC), that there is finally a more or less complete MPEG-4 implementation?

[karl_lillevold]

Thanks for reporting these problems. I can not reproduce them here though with my example .3gp files. On a system without Quicktime, RealPlayer downloads plugins for H.263, 3GPP, and MPEG-4 video when I try to play such a file. Thereafter it plays fine, without any inter-action with, or help from Quicktime.

So as far as I know, we have MPEG-4 SP publicly available at the moment, but I do not know if there are plans to upgrade to ASP. H.264 (AVC) is a completely different codec than MPEG-4 ASP. We do not currently support H.264.

If you like you can upload your file via a web page I will send in a PM. Maybe I have more luck reproducing the problem with your file. Thanks.

[rigel]

earlier on this thread there was a discussion about the player changing the WaveOut volume. But another similar issue that annoys me much more is that simultaneously it also changes the CD volume, and even de-mute's it. I have the CD audio mostly muted because I rarely use it and it tends to produce a loud noise for me, when nothing is playing :(

Edit:
Just installed 10.5 and that seems to be fixed now.... yay :D

[Yo]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold

Codec Pack?
If you have ever installed a codec pack (RealAlternative) in the past, it appears to be necessary to first run r1pclean.exe (http://www.lillevold.com/files/r1pclean.zip).

I downloaded this app. On executing the exe. file in the zip file, the following error message resulted:

"This application failed to start because PNCRT.dll was not found".

Therefore, I don't think r1pclean.exe did anything, as all I saw was that error message.

Was a file called "PNCRT.dll" supposed to be in the zip file, but was missing? If so, please fix the uploaded zip file.

Or is it assumed that this file would already be on the system? Is it ("PNCRT.dll") part of RealPlayer, or part of RealAlt? (I already uninstalled both of those, but since you wrote that they don't become completely uninstalled, I was going to run your program as well.)

Please reply. Thank you.

[karl_lillevold]

Yo: The cleaner appears to be necessary only if RealAlternative's or RealPlayer's uninstallers fail. Like I wrote in the first post : "Uninstalling RealAlternative, via its uninstaller, before installing RP10, has also been reported to work." I think it should be OK for you to install RealPlayer at this point.

[Yo]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Yo: The cleaner appears to be necessary only if RealAlternative's or RealPlayer's uninstallers fail. Like I wrote in the first post : "Uninstalling RealAlternative, via its uninstaller, before installing RP10, has also been reported to work." I think it should be OK for you to install RealPlayer at this point.

Well, I'm not sure that either or both RP and RA were uninstalled correctly. I guess I can try installing, and see if I have problems.

Anyhow, do you know why I got the error message I did? What is PNCRT.dll?

[karl_lillevold]

pncrt.dll is just RealNetworks' version of the C runtime DLL. If you still want to run the cleaner you can get pncrt.dll here (http://www.lillevold.com/files/pncrt.zip). Unzip in windows\system32 or in the same folder as the cleaner tool.

[Yo]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
pncrt.dll is just RealNetworks' version of the C runtime DLL. If you still want to run the cleaner you can get pncrt.dll here (http://www.lillevold.com/files/pncrt.zip). Unzip in windows\system32 or in the same folder as the cleaner tool.

Thank you. I downloaded that, put it in the same folder as the cleaner tool, and executed the latter.

It opened in a command prompt, and in that I got a different error message:

"Cannot load setu3260.dll."

Now what do I do? Do you have that one on your site as well? And if I downloaded that and put it in the same folder, would I get yet another error message about a missing DLL?

[karl_lillevold]

Yo: Please re-read the first post in this thread; the last part about the cleaning tool. It specifically mentions the lack of this DLL.

[Yo]

Originally posted by karl_lillevold
Yo: Please re-read the first post in this thread; the last part about the cleaning tool. It specifically mentions the lack of this DLL.

Here is what it says:

"Even though it reports "cannot load setu3260.dll" it does clean up the registry enough such that after this, RP10 runs fine after the installer completes."


Do you mean that even though that error message came on right away, and that it looked like the program didn't do anything, came immediately to that error message, it really did do something and cleaned the registry?

[karl_lillevold]

yes.

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by S_O
I found bug in RealPlayer: I played a mp4 (in fact it is 3gp) in it, but always when I move the mouse over the video window, the video breaks, it becomes blocky, the colors are wrong, etc. That´s normally fixed when I move the mouse outside the video and the next I frame is there.

Here is the expected behaviour of RealPlayer for MPEG-4 content:

"The way our system works is that we use RN's MPEG4 plugin if it is on the user's machine, QuickTime if it is not. If a user already has QuickTime, we don't send a missing plugin request since we already have the ability to play back the content. When playing the same content using the QuickTime application on that machine, is the behavior any better? In general we should be able to do as well as QT does."

As you can see, whether or not the Quicktime plugin is used depends on which is installed first. For MOV files, Quicktime should always be used, I think. I already have your 3gp example, which you report results in blocky video, but on my system plays fine using RN's plugin, whereas QT completely fails to play it. However, I do not have any MOV/MPEG-4 examples which exhibits the dialog box problem you describe. If you upload this to me as well, I will make sure bug reports are files for both problems. It would also be useful to know which version of Quicktime you have. Thanks.

[karl_lillevold]

FYI: There is a security update available for RealPlayer. Detailed description and updates available here:
http://service.real.com/help/faq/security/040928_player/EN/
(yes, RealPlayer sometimes has those too :scared: )

[S_O]

I have a problem with RealPlayer: I never really use it, nearly only for embed-web-videos or testing. But now I noticed that the picture in RealPlayer is much darker than in Media Player Classic. I found out that the problem is the overlay renderer, it will output a much too dark image on my PC.
I found a switch in the hardware options in RealPlayer and I selected the less optimized versions with overlay disabled. Now image looks the same as in MPC, but when I resize player now, I´ll get pixels (like in QuickTime). Is there any way to use the renderer (VMR 9 renderless) Media Player Classic uses?

[karl_lillevold]

RealPlayer should be using a standard overlay surface for h/w optimized playback. If you get pixelation when resizing, this has been turned off. If your overlay surface is too dark, maybe you can adjust it in the video card driver settings. On the systems I have tried (gets to be quite a few), RealPlayer video looks exactly the same as in MPC/Zoom Player/any DS player.

[S_O]

RealPlayer video looks exactly the same as in MPC/Zoom Player/any DS player.When I switch to overlay in MPC it really looks identicall.
maybe you can adjust it in the video card driver settings.
In fact there is a setting for it, but when I change it that overlay looks good, video in the other renderers doesn´t look good anymore. Either overlay or the others are broken.

Can I disable overlay and use VMR instead in RealPlayer?

P.S.: Any news from the player-team, because of the plug-ins?

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by S_O
Can I disable overlay and use VMR instead in RealPlayer? [
No, I am afraid VMR is not an option. RealPlayer does not utilize DirectShow, but has its own renderer, DirectShow independent.

P.S.: Any news from the player-team, because of the plug-ins? [
I am sorry, not sure I understand. Is this question related to this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83644)? I posted the latest news there, but it does not hurt to repeat here in the Software Players forum and main RealPlayer thread:

"Well, I finally learned why auto-update to our own MPEG-4 Video plugins has always worked for me, and not for you guys.. It turns out RealNetworks decided this is a "Plus" feature, due to the MPEG-4 license fees that need to be covered for each download. As employees, we have free "Superpass", which includes all "Plus" features ... I should have logged out and auto-update would not have worked for me either.

In any case, for this reason I can not make the MP4 auto-update file widely available, but anyone who has trouble with MPEG-4 and 3GPP in their RealPlayer, can PM me their e-mail address, and I will e-mail you the file. Please include the sentence "I will not re-distribute", in your PM. If I get too many requests, offer may end at any time ".

and I am afraid there exists no list of these auto-update "trigger files"...

[S_O]

No, I am afraid VMR is not an option. RealPlayer does not utilize DirectShow, but has its own renderer, DirectShow independent.I yust installed a new driver for my graphics adapter, now I can change the overlay settings seperatly and was able to fix overlay display :)

I am sorry, not sure I understand.I was refering to the mail you sent me on wednesday. About the trigger-files. That this list doesn´t exist means I have to play 20 files yust to get RealPlayer install all plug-ins? Why do all the plug-ins do not show up in auto-update (let me guess, RealNetworks needs to pay everytime DolbyNet decoder is downloaded, so it can only be downloaded when it´s really needed)?

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by S_O
Why do all the plug-ins do not show up in auto-update (let me guess, RealNetworks needs to pay everytime DolbyNet decoder is downloaded, so it can only be downloaded when it´s really needed)?
This sounds like an accurate guess :rolleyes:

[Winamp_Hater]

Help me, Please!
I use the RealPlayer almost two years (for all - mp3s, oggs and other video and audio formats)
But before two weeks I've installed a DFX plugin for RealPlayer 10.5.
I've uninstalled it, because I didn't like it.
But then.......:(
Every time I start RealPlayer , the computer begins to beat. When I stop the RealPlayer, It continues the beat (only for a second).
I've deleted the realscheduler and I've reinstalled the player a lot of times.
I don't want to use another player - I can's stand Winamp, WMP does not recognises so many formats......
Can you help me fix the problem?

[bananacreamandpeca]

Wow..,
is karl in any way involved with the realplayer rmvb codec?
I really like the quality. stays sharp and crisp can handle dark areas better than xvid. thanks.
I also want to start using rmvb, since xvid proves to be more
and more a decentralized p.i.t.a. with quality fluctuations and
because of many people messing with it and just takes too much of my time to try
enhance the xvid codec matrixes to encode certain parts of a video well.

I'll give realplayer a try ;)

[karl_lillevold]

Yesterday and today Steve Bass posted a nice tutorial on how to get an ad-free RealPlayer (http://blogs.pcworld.com/tipsandtweaks/archives/006661.html), as well as how to install it cleanly (http://blogs.pcworld.com/tipsandtweaks/archives/006662.html), in his Tips and Tweaks column in PC World.

P.S. I should update this thread for RealPlayer 11, but there are not many changes in the topics covered here.

Karl.

[real_]

It about realOne player. I always liked design realOne player, but I would like to change something. Once for a long time I have downloaded the build of this player, and the line of time and the name of a song was below at once under buttons as in RealPlayer v 10 or v10.5. It was realONE and I don't like other builds since the tenth(RealPlayer10). But now I cannot find this build of a player. I have downloaded 15 builds of a realOne player and in them a line of information about time above.
I tried to change coordinates of a default skin in a file normal.vs->normal.xmb. But unsuccessfully.
Somebody can will prompt what I should change in its default skin? If here it cannot be discussed for any reasons, prompt please where I can ask about it also.
Please please help me with the decision of this problem, I any more do not know where will address, it is very important for me. :(
many Thanks.

Still I have an idea to make addition or plug-in to a player in the form of the menu or tray with a render choice, a digital zoom, a choice of the aspect ratio, etc. is possible similar was already developed, please leave the link to a resource.
And any suggestions please.
many Thanks to all.