Finding Nemo R1-- It can be done, and here's how. Also learn about Duplicate PGCs!

[de.lesse.bg]

when doing your encoding, check the ECL-file for the chapter points (I-frames), you'll see that it isn't complete!!!

If you don't reencode your video, hmmm, the i-frames are still on the same place.. so tis gives no probs.. And then it's 100% PERFECT!! But reencoding is needed... Try it and see...

Am i the first one that saw that you can specify Max 128 manually chapter points (I-frames)?????

[influenza]

well I've never seen a dvd with so many chapters before ;)

[de.lesse.bg]

not only chapters!! also split points for cell's!! when jumping from a cell to another cell and if there are no I-frames, scenarist picks up another place, sometimes 10 frames back or further...

[influenza]

Ok I see. well I never noticed that there's a limitation on the number of I frames to be specified. But like I alreday said I never came near that boundary anyway.

I scanned the ifo quickly and not all cells are needed the way you describe it. So maybe (but you have to look into that) it's possible to only add the I frames for cells that are either chapters or referenced to in some kind of jump and you can keep it below 128

[Trahald]

this is how the ntsc one is set up PGC wise

PGC's
Movie Only
Movie AND Deleted scenes/storyboards BIG ONE
Deleted scenes/storyboards play all
then all the deleted scenes individually

i tried to use the BIG ONE but it came out of sync so i did it this way

i selected the MOVIE ONLY pgc (only has 122 cell points so no problem for i-frame setting) and then all the individual deleted scene pgcs in doitfast for you. so i was able to have cell accuracy

please reread what i wrote above.. i DID NOT select the huge pgc which has too many cell points.. i chose the smallest ones i could (the movie only and the very small individual deleted scenes)

as far as the sound.. there is only the movie track and the deleted scene+movie track.. and you get them all the way i did it above.. even if you do the big pgc you get them both as well.. just that i had sync issues trying it that way so i went for smaller.

i spent like 3-4 days on this movie.. trust me.. i didnt quit till it was perfect

[influenza]

Well that sounds all very logical. Just some manual work involved I guess?

[influenza]

The ifo doesn't seem to be standard scenarist output. Different number of audio streams per pgc,

[de.lesse.bg]

just don't understand:
as far as the sound.. there is only the movie track and the deleted scene+movie track.. and you get them all the way i did it above.. even if you do the big pgc you get them both as well.. just that i had sync issues trying it that way so i went for smaller.
What do you mean?? how to get the extra audio of the movie?? If i select the PGC (movie) it won't extract the extra audio..
So???

[influenza]

I wonder what program is used to mux this. I guess the stream is there, but it's just not available in the ifo. (kinda like blanking out the stream in pg_citi). I wonder what happens if you edit the ifo and add stream value 33536 to pgc1.

[Trahald]

well..
32768 is the movie audio 5.1 - only audio track
33024 is the commentary audio

maybe my R1 version is limited? thats all i have and no matter wether i select the individual commentary tracks or the movie.. i only have 2 choices.. nowhere in the menu is there a third or fourth choice.

what are the other audios?

[de.lesse.bg]

Influenza: (kinda like blanking out the stream in pg_citi). I wonder what happens if you edit the ifo and add stream value 33536 to pgc1.
I filled it in, and works PERFECT!!! ThanX... Now it's 100% full backup...

[influenza]

:)

Maybe you can explain in some more detail what you did exactly, so other members with similar problems have some reference ;)

[de.lesse.bg]

This if for Pal-R2
Edit the VTS01 ifo, in PGC 1, there is audio 0,1,2 you just add audio 3 with IFOEDIT.
Renew ISO.
select PGC1,3,53 (last one) with dif4u, just do the rest as usual...
after compiling, use IFOUPDATE ACM-mode, then remove LAYER BREAK in the fist PGC...

Voila..

[influenza]

You just adjusted the value or did you do an ifoupdate on the original file with only copy subpic tables on (using the adjusted ifo), cause i can imagine that's necessary.

[de.lesse.bg]

in the original ISO editing the IFO, then ran through dif4u, then in IFOUPDATE, select transfer VTS_C_ADT table, Copy COLOR Table, VTS_TMAPTI and adjust.
Works Perfect...
All tested on DISC1 and is Perfect!!!! no probs with audio etc... all ok.. (Just striped DTS and Trailers-in last VTS)

[Eyes`Only]

:goodpost:
Great job! And good demonstration of knowledge of structure and technique!

Eyes

[Trahald]

@de.lesse.bg

definately nice going!

although its not an error in dvddecrypter , it would be nice if he supported pulling an audio that is not in the pgciti but IS in the ifo.

[D3s7]

what would he pull it from?? :)

AFAIK if it's not in the PGCITI, it's not in the assets

or am I misreading the thread

[Trahald]

Originally posted by D3s7
what would he pull it from?? :)

AFAIK if it's not in the PGCITI, it's not in the assets

or am I misreading the thread

yep.. its there.. you can even do it with scenarist. setup a track with 2 audios.. and setup a Title within a VTS with audio availability flag to custom and uncheck the second audio stream(in the scenario editor). it will still write the stream to the vobs (check with vobedit) but will not add it to the pgciti. even if there are no other titles that reference it. you can also setup additional Titles within the same VTS that do reference that stream.

now there may be an odd authoring util that will have it in th e ifo and it NOT be a real stream. (you know how hollywood dvds are) but usually the stream exists.

[D3s7]

Question would be if it's in the vob but not the ifo, how's it called?

I know if cell is in the vob but not the ifo, it more then likely a dummy cell just taking up space (most common in menus)

[Trahald]

Originally posted by D3s7
Question would be if it's in the vob but not the ifo, how's it called?

I know if cell is in the vob but not the ifo, it more then likely a dummy cell just taking up space (most common in menus)

with streams it depends how you set it up. turning off the track in the pgciti is cosmetic and is there just to keep people from selecting an audio (or subtitle) that the studio or you dont want them to be able to pick from that pgc. the full stream is in the vob. to force it on you just have to put the stream # in the pgciti in dvddecryptor's current state. but since stream x81 is there in the vobs, all DD has to do is pull x81 packets based on the ifo saying its there.

[D3s7]

No No I understand that but my question is I guess if it's not in the PGCITI, what's causing the DVD Player to select that stream and play it back?

There a setting in the Pre/Post commands to force a specific stream?

Maybe if SOMEONE could remember how they did Nemo it help out :D

[Trahald]

Originally posted by D3s7
No No I understand that but my question is I guess if it's not in the PGCITI, what's causing the DVD Player to select that stream and play it back?

There a setting in the Pre/Post commands to force a specific stream?

Maybe if SOMEONE could remember how they did Nemo it help out :D

lol - im thinking i must have done it by vobid.. i honestly still dont remember

regaurding the pgciti..
well.. its only disabled in the pgciti per individual PGC. the pgciti is broken down by pgc

PGC 1 - (title 1) is main movie and x81 is disabled. it is not selectable in the origional from the dvd player

PGC 2 - (title 2) is the main movie and the deleted scenes/behind the scenes. x81 is enabled here and for the rest of the titles. it is selectable from dvd player


+PGCITI
PGC_1 32768(x80)
PGC_2 32768(x80) 33024(x81)
PGC_3 32768(x80) 33024(x81)

etc

it makes sense they did it since continuity wise, although the commentary follows the movie and be interesting say you only wanted the commentary within the movie only. Problem is their comments during the movie parts lead into the deleted scenes parts which wouldnt be there in pgc 1. it wouldnt seem to flow right.

the nice thing is on my backup i CAN select this track via remote and play it with the movie only pgc.

[foxmid]

I've done this by following Eyes' guide, and everything seems to work, at least with Power DVD - except for a slight pause when the player jumps from the movie to the extra and back again. The screen goes black for a second or so, and then comes back with the extra.

I have also noticed that this seems to cause a slight audio mismatch (but only on the deleted scenes, not the main movie part).

Should these transitions be seamless? I was looking at the scenario, and they do show non seamless, but I can't choose seamless, it's not an option.

What have I missed?

Thanks for your help. I've got to recompile after I reencode a few clips to get it down about 200MB anyway, would like to fix this last bit.

[Trahald]

these transitions are non-seamless in the origional. this is not a seamless branching movie.. the commentary scenes are at the end of the movie vts set (an indication is they have higher vobids) so the player must jump to them.. then back again when finished. seamless would not be an option.