is GordianKnotItFast4U a good name ?

[len0x]

Lets see what you guys think. Is it too long? Can you suggest better?
I'd like to here some opinions on what the name should be. The key point though: the name should contain Gordian Knot in it, otherwise we loose connection to the main program.

I've heard something like:
- Gordian Knot Lite
- Easy Gordian Knot
- Gordian Knot Special Edition

Personally I like it the way it is now (GKIF4U). But may be most of users don't feel the same ? :) Once contenders are identified (5-6 names max) I can make a poll for it...

[Tuning]

I'm in a mood to suggest a name to GK derivative.
I think a name must satisfy,
1.Its derivative of GK
2.Automation integrated.
3.Easy for newbies
etc

A name comes to my mind is Auto GK or Auto Gordian Knot,For simplycity i would prefer former.
Another:GK Machine

[len0x]

That does sounds interesting!
Anyone else ?

[Doom9]

GKL (Gordian Knot Light)?
It is a light version after all.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Doom9
GKL (Gordian Knot Light)?
It is a light version after all.

Well, you see it not that "light". :)
Already now it does pretty advanced stuff which original GK cannot do. So from functionality point of view it's not a light version. Simple GUI doesn't mean simple operations. User might be fooled a bit by that (thinking he's not getting full solution somehow)...

[majerle]

EasyGK, LinghtingGK, GKDoItBetter, GKFast, AutoGK, OneClickDivX, XivDSolver, GKSlave, GKLight, GKKG...

byez

Andres

[sillKotscha]

LightingGK is very nice :)

[Angelus]

GKN or GKNext, or GKM for Gordian Knot Mainstream? I personally like GKNext :)

Thanks

[r6d2]

@len0x, trying to shift the paradigm here...

In what way your tool is a GK derivative? In the functionality? You said you did not use any code, just concepts and your knowledge of it. However, those concepts are not proprietary to GK:

1. Prediction/compressibility tests have been used also in DVD2SVCD for a long time with TMPGEnc. More recently with CCE too.

2. The included auto deinterlace is from your own harvest.

3. The bits/pixel*frame stuff is on FitCD for ages as a compression criteria in MPEG-2.

Etcetera.

I think your tool is much like Dr.DivX. What comes to mind when you listen to that? (set aside pesonal opinions about the tool itself)

1. Outputs DivX
2. The Doctor does it for you.
3. It's easy.

I'd go for a name which reflects this newbie approach, yet powerful for the initiated. It's kinda "Dr.DivX done right".

Gordiat Knot for Dummies was a terrific name, but it's still too tied to GK. The Fast4U is appealing but overused.

I think your tool is in a kind of its own: easy quality for newcomers.

IMHO, you should exploit that and differentiate from GK.

[bkam]

Not sure if this is helpful, but some of you probably know that the term "Gordian Knot" comes from Greek myth. Here is something I found about it in a quick google:

Gordian knot
{gohr'-dee-uhn}
In Greek legend, the Gordian knot was the name given to an intricate knot used by Gordius to secure his oxcart. Gordius, who was a poor peasant, arrived with his wife in a public square of Phrygia in an oxcart. An oracle had informed the populace that their future king would come riding in a wagon. Seeing Gordius, the people made him king. In gratitude, Gordius dedicated his oxcart to Zeus, tying it up with a peculiar knot. An oracle foretold that he who untied the knot would rule all of Asia. According to a later legend, Alexander the Great cut the knot with his sword. From that time, "cutting the Gordian knot" came to mean solving a difficult problem.

I'm not sure if there is any way to use this to make a cool name for the thing, but perhaps some kind of spin-off, like another myth or legend?

[pixolex]

Jr.GK ;)

[manono]

So far no support for keeping the current name. Is that because no one likes the current name, or you don't think you need to post? If you want to keep the current name, let us know.

The only one that I like so far is Tuning's Auto Gordian Knot. It's short and accurate. But that's just me.

I also kinda like Angelus's names. Personally, I might modify GKNext to GK:TNG, like the ST:TNG TV/DVD series.

But where's the support for Gordian Knot Special Edition (GKSE). I dreamed up that one. It plays off the Special Edition DVDs that are common these days, and also the fact that it's a different, but in many ways equal, and in a few ways even superior, alternative to the original GKnot. Get it? :) Let's hear it for GKSE!

bkam-Icarus? :)

We need more names, or support for the ones already offered. We need to know which ones to include in the poll. Gain immortality by getting thanked in the Help file if your name is chosen!

[Angelus]

Even more suggestions:

GK4Now, GKitNow, GKN1, GK4U, GKX, GKEvo, GK.Next, GK.Now, GK.N.

I think a shorter name would be more appropriate...a lot of things these days are symbolized by a couple letters...(ie. Subaru WRX, Mac Panther OS X, Windows XP :D )

I was also thinking of a way we could fit a symbol into the same, like how some programming languages are C++, C#, .Net. I find its hard to find a good name when you're actually thinking about one, it just has to come to ya naturally.

[len0x]

Originally posted by Angelus
(ie. Subaru WRX, Mac Panther OS X, Windows XP :D )


Hm.. may be Gordian Knot XP ? :)

[len0x]

Originally posted by r6d2
IMHO, you should exploit that and differentiate from GK.

I disagree. GK is used on a daily basis by thouthands of people and is really well known by its name. Hundreds of thouthands probably tried it at least once, but couldn't start using it because of its complexity. By naming it completely differently we have to start all over again. Remember, not everybody reads this forum and doom9's news section. And when a newbie (or a person who tried GK in the past) comes to some website with all programs listed on one page and sees Gordian Knot name he probably remember hearing this somewhere before... So I think we should stick to GK as a part of the name.

[jonny]

1ClickGK (my suggestion is to keep the name simple - people must say: hey! it's easy to use it).
At least it describe what the app does, and people that already know GK, doesn't even need to read the program's description to imagine how it does it and the features inside.
:cool:

[r6d2]

Originally posted by len0x
[B]I disagree. GK is used on a daily basis by thouthands of people and is really well known by its name. Hundreds of thouthands probably tried it at least once, but couldn't start using it because of its complexity. By naming it completely differently we have to start all over again. Remember, not everybody reads this forum and doom9's news section. And when a newbie (or a person who tried GK in the past) comes to some website with all programs listed on one page and sees Gordian Knot name he probably remember hearing this somewhere before... So I think we should stick to GK as a part of the name.
After this statement, I quite don't understand your position.

The only reason you are giving to base your disagreement on is that "GK is very popular".

You seem to be using GK's name awareness to your own purposes, even after you have made it clear that you did not use its code and that this is a completely new tool.

The only relationship between your tool and GK is that you are involved in both. Is this true? Or am I missing something?

To me, It's like if I'd develop a tool from scratch to convert DVDs to SVCDs and called 1ClickDVD2SVCD, just because I happen to know very well DVD2SVCD. :confused:

[b0ris]

I think he was saying that building on the success of another project is his intention, not that he wants people to see it as an unrelated tool. If its distributed under the same title of "gordian knot" people will identify with it - with the quality that comes from the more advanced gordian knot. IMO its a good idea to stick with GK in the title. I like GKLite.

[Tuning]

Originally posted by r6d2
To me, the only relationship between your tool and GK is that you are involved in both. Is this true? Or am I missing something?
I think the tools inside is also related/same in both GKs.

BTW,I think len0x got his experience from doing design to GK,and don't want to loose this credits to GK.

[r6d2]

@b0ris, you missed the whole point of the new tool being actually more powerful that GK at certain things. In the rest of your reasoning you're just backing up what I said.

@Tuning, you are suggesting it's more like a "tribute thing". Well, that's easily fixed by a thank you note in the readme of the new tool: "Most of the stuff used to build this tool I learnt while participating in the GK project" sort of stuff.

Or... "From the same author of GK, here it comes a new tool for beginners".

I'm pretty sure len0x has better reasons. I just would like to hear about them.

[len0x]

I don't really understand your position in this matter. You suggested totally new name for the tool. I said that I want to keep the GK part because of popularity of GK (sort of for promotion reasons). I don't see anything wrong about that. If I had choice both tools would have the same core (but different GUIs), unfortunately it's impossible. The _only_ reason I said that it's not based on GK source code is to avoid blame about violation of GPL!
I'm the author of both programs atm, so I can do whatever I want. I'll be keeping them in synch in common parts (meaning some of the features of GKIF4U will go into main GK). They both do the same thing with the same tools but in a bit different way. I don't really want to separate them that much.
And your example with DVD2SVCD is totally inappropriate, since I don't see a problem if dvd2svcd decides to write a new tool which does the same and call it 1ClickDVD2SVCD... (in your example you are _not_ the author of original DVD2SVCD and hence have no right to try and pass under its name...)

[r6d2]

Originally posted by len0x
The _only_ reason I said that it's not based on GK source code is to avoid blame about violation of GPL!
Forget it then. I thought you really meant it. I'll take your statements with a grain of salt from now on.
I'm the author of both programs atm, so I can do whatever I want.
Of course, but since you asked for opinions, I thought that they really mattered.

I just wanted to give you a fresh perspective.

[len0x]

Originally posted by r6d2
Of course, but since you asked for opinions, I thought that they really mattered.
I just wanted to give you a fresh perspective.

And I appreciate that, but I didn't want to start discussions about why I want to keep GK name this way...
If I was open for a completely new name I'd say so straight away and more over If I didn't want to tied it up with GK I'd call it differently in the first place.

P.S. GK is very cool, original and catching name, btw IMHO.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by len0x
If I was open for a completely new name I'd say so straight away and more over If I didn't want to tied it up with GK I'd call it differently in the first place.
I know, I know. Just sometimes you are so concentrated on your own vision that having an outsider to shake the grounds a little opens new horizons. That's why I started posting "trying to shift the paradigm here".

BTW, IMHO GK is indeed a catchy name. And this may be just personal, but I think it just has some sort of "this stuff is good but I cannot get it to work easily" deja vu ;). Completely different story with GKitF4U.

[jonny]

What i don't understand is why using my suggestion to make the example (1ClickDVD2SVCD) for this hot discussion. :devil:
So many suggestions, this makes mine in a bad light :D

*** tryng to make up some humor :) ***

[len0x]

Originally posted by jonny
What i don't understand is why using my suggestion to make the example (1ClickDVD2SVCD) for this hot discussion. :devil:
So many suggestions, this makes mine in a bad light :D


lol
In fact I think OneClickGK is quite nice name especially in the light of r6d2 mentioning "I can't get it to work" thingy :)

*EDIT* the more I think the more I like it... :D

[GizmoDerMokwai]

i've gotta say, that i like the GKIF4U name ;D but OneClickGK sounds nice, too, even when the tool isn't realy one click ;D

[r6d2]

Originally posted by GizmoDerMokwai
even when the tool isn't realy one click ;D
Maybe ALotLessClicksThanGordianKnotAndVeryFast4U? :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by r6d2
Maybe ALotLessClicksThanGordianKnotAndVeryFast4U? :D

that's a really good one ! :)
:goodpost:

[SiXXGuNNZ]

Gordian Untied?

[bkam]

Originally posted by SiXXGuNNZ
Gordian Untied? Or unbound, lol

[NightMare]

well i suggest "GKWiz"
after all the "wizard" is a well known word over the net for doing it easy and fast for the user
and its short too

[len0x]

I think the contenders are:

- GordianKnotItFast4U
- Easy Gordian Knot
- Gordian Knot Wizard
- One Click Gordian Knot

some secondary candidates:

- Gordian Knot Next
- Gordian Knot Special Edition
- ??

the name obviously will have shorter variation.
Lets give it another couple of days for discussion and then make a poll.

[jonny]

Gordian Knot Wizard sounds good too

[bkam]

I like majerle's suggestion of "LightningGK". Well, it's spelled a little differently but i think that's what was meant.

[Christos]

* I think all of the above names imply the same thing.
* It does what GK does but automatically
* So why not say it clearly?

AutoGordianKnot - AutoGK gets my vote...

[len0x]

@bkam

Lightning is good, but when you think about it - which part of it is lightning ? :) Name implies fastest way to encode, which is a bit misleading. Otherwise very catchy name :)

@Christos

Why indeed not? :) Lets put it on the list.

[bkam]

Originally posted by len0x
@bkam

Lightning is good, but when you think about it - which part of it is lightning ? :) Name implies fastest way to encode, which is a bit misleading. Otherwise very catchy name :) The set-up is lightning! 15 minutes to rip, 1 minute to set up, go to class, go to work, go to sleep, whatever, come back it's done. :) But you're right, then people will say "Why is it slower than GK?" (because they use no VHQ hehe). If you think it's too misleading, I'm with Christos, AutoGK sounds good.

or how about Gordian Knot: Home Edition? just kidding :D

Also I just realized that LightningGK is too much like LIGHTNING UK! so maybe that would confuse ppl or something.

[len0x]

Originally posted by bkam
or how about Gordian Knot: Home Edition? just kidding :D


aha, and then we'll have a special "corporate edition". lol :)

[len0x]

I've created a new poll on my webpage (so that non-registerd users can vote): http://gordianknot.sourceforge.net

[len0x]

looks like ppl are voting for AutoGK...
(but I can believe I got less then 50 votes for far :( )

[bkam]

Maybe put a big "ATTENTION" post in the other thread? Because this thread had 700 views and that one has 48,000 :D

[ZZZERO]

Gordian Knot Xpress

[len0x]

Originally posted by ZZZERO
Gordian Knot Xpress

it's the same as LightningGK - a bit misleading speed implication...

[jjseth]

My vote for GKWizard or ¿MicroGK?

[jonny]

Maybe put a big "ATTENTION" post in the other thread? Because this thread had 700 views and that one has 48,000

Or putting the info in your signature:

Gordian Knot Family:
Vote for the new app name here!!!
Gordian Knot: website, download
New tool - GordianKnotItFast4U: download, tutorial

Anyway... i'm loosing... any chances that the choice will be not democratic at the end? :D

[len0x]

Originally posted by jonny
Anyway... i'm loosing... any chances that the choice will be not democratic at the end? :D

May be :)
There was one very good point in the comments: for those who don't know what Gk is Auto doesn't explain a lot really, but Easy sounds much better.

[Tuning]

I still feel OneClickGk was a better name, but ppl are voting for AutoGK :confused:.

There was one very good point in the comments: for those who don't know what Gk is Auto doesn't explain a lot really, but Easy sounds much better.

But here too "GK" in EasyGK is unknown, feels something simple.

BTW, I voted for OneClickGK

[jonny]

"One Click" is not widely used (afaik), it's nicer imo.
Auto: AutoDub, AutoDivX, AutoRV9
Easy: Easy CD creator ( :D )

[Tuning]

I just got a complete new name..:D , EasyAutoOneClickGK ;).
EAOCGK (Sounds like new kinda memory ..:D )
Auto == > simple
EasyAuto == > simple*simple .(Hmm ....not bad in maths):D

EasyAutoOneClick ==> simple cube (hehe...;))