BSN=BeSweet+Nero

[filewalker]

2003-08-18 Moritz Bunkus <moritz@bunkus.org>* mkvmerge: Implemented a switch that has to be used for SBR AAC / AAC+ / HE-AAC if the source file is an AAC file and the AAC file contains SBR AAC data (no automatic detection possible in this case!).
What I ask myself is if we should enable this option in the MKVmerge GUI if we encoded as HE AAC (in Nero options) but really got LC AAC file?
Should we generally use this option if we have a LC AAC file?


BTW. what is AAC+ and SBR AAC ? I didn't saw these presets in Nero, or?

Cu filewalker

[Wilbert]

What I ask myself is if we should enable this option in the MKVmerge GUI if we encoded as HE AAC (in Nero options) but really got LC AAC file?
Should we generally use this option if we have a LC AAC file?
No, only if you have a HE AAC.

Note HE AAC = AAC+ = SBR AAC. They are just different name for the same.

[Tuning]

Originally posted by filewalker
What I ask myself is if we should enable this option in the MKVmerge GUI if we encoded as HE AAC (in Nero options) but really got LC AAC file?
Should we generally use this option if we have a LC AAC file?
BTW. what is AAC+ and SBR AAC ? I didn't saw these presets in Nero, or?
I think it is not required now latest CoreAAC can identify the HE-AAC streams all by itself.
BTW,To my little knowledge AAC+ or SBR AAC is the same HE-AAC.
Am I wrong?
Edit:
wilbert you are quick!
:p

[tiki4]

I think this needs to be clarified:

The --aac-is-sbr switch is needed, if you mux an HE-AAC (AAC with SBR/AAC+) file (with ADTS headers) into a Matroska container. If your source is AAC in MP4 container (the default output of Nero) you do not need that switch as mkvmerge can extract that info correctly from the MP4 file header. And yes, HE-AAC = AAC+ = AAC with SBR.

tiki4

[filewalker]

If your source is AAC in MP4 container (the default output of Nero) you do not need that switch as mkvmerge can extract that info correctly from the MP4 file header.And yes, HE-AAC = AAC+ = AAC with SBR.
:) Thanks for clarification!

Cu filewalker

[StoneRoses]

Originally posted by Tuning
Thanks again.
I think the Winamp plugin is still incorrect,regarding channel mapping.

I reported this bug to Case yesterday, today he come up with the fix!
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?showtopic=6428&st=100&&

[Tuning]

@StoneRoses
Still there is some more problems and I have reported it in HA forums.
Thanks.

[sillKotscha]

Originally posted by bobsc

3. You don't need. 4. Doesn't seem to work, so you have to put the Nero dlls in your folder.

sorry guys - I'm not able to get it to work ;(

my folder contains:

- Oagmachine
- latest BeSweet package (so, bsn.dll is included)
- as suggested the required dlls, as there are: aac.dll, aacenc32.dll and neroipp.dll

-> all I wanna do is a simple wav->aac transcoding but BeSweet immediatly closes with an error (I'm at work, so don't ask me for the error number - sorry Dg ;( ) but it says: "unable to configure bsn"

log.file posting (except for the error number) doesn't make really sense as there is nothing more than this 1 error...

what could cause this error? - what am I doing wrong??? Am I missing something??

hopefully I'm not that stupid or...

:stupid:

[filewalker]

@sillKotscha

You did the same as I did...strange that it doesn't work with Oagmachine/BeSweet/Nero dll's :rolleyes:
(I just copied the 3 dll's to the BeSweet folder. Maybe you transfered these dll's instead of only copying...:rolleyes: but who knows...


What happens if you try to encode your WAV-->AAC in Nero directly?
It should also work with Nero without problems...If it doesn't work with Nero,too..there could be a problem with your WAV file (maybe corrupted?).


edit: or your trial version of Nero( IIRC...only 30x encoding to AAC)is expired :D
Cu filewalker

[sillKotscha]

Originally posted by filewalker

What happens if you try to encode your WAV-->AAC in Nero directly?

it works with no problem...

my concern is:

- i've captured a movie but my sound is very odd and low noise
- if I transcode wav->aac the sound remains the same
- so at the moment that's my way to go: save wav, wav->wav with BeSweet (Hybrid method is used) and than wav->aac with nero

and that's why a working Oag_solution would be so nice ;)

but I gave almost up... I know it is my mistake - I'm doing something wrong but I don't know what or where as I'm doing the same as you - but who knows

cheers Sill

[filewalker]

I have been using the Oagmachine only for AC3-->AAC encoding until yet...so I've no experience with WAV-->AAC with Oagmachine(BeSweet) till now (I only tried it in Nero directly).

Maybe there's the problem...but other members'll maybe have experience with WAV-->AAC with Oagmachine.

Cu filewalker

[tiki4]

Maybe you should have posted your logfile anyway...

There is a problem if your output file doesn't contain a fully qualified path. Also, did you download BeSweet v1.4 first and copy 1.5b23 into this directory, overwriting the older files? Ah, anyhow please post your logfile.

tiki4

[Hobojobo]

@StoneRoses
I reported this bug to Case yesterday, today he come up with the fix!
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index....c=6428&st=100&&

I dl the in_m4.dll for Winamp. The fix does not work, at least not for me.
The center channel is gone, (all dialogs in my testfiles are gone.)
Does it work for you?

[Tuning]

The fix does not work, at least not for me.As mentioned in my previous post,the supposed_to_be_fixed_plugin is NOT FIXED.Follow the link to hydrogen audio and you can find the problems I have noticed.
Bye.:)

[tiki4]

I wonder.

While Winamp is great for playing MP3 or Ogg Vorbis or AAC or whatever, I don't see the point why to use it for multi channel movie soundtracks. I guess that's the reason the channel mapping is still wrong in in_mp4.dll.

tiki4

[DSPguru]

Originally posted by tiki4
Maybe you should have posted your logfile anyway...no doubt :o

[calinb]

Originally posted by sillKotscha
sorry guys - I'm not able to get it to work ;(
hopefully I'm not that stupid or...
sillKotscha,
No, I'm the stupid one because I'm pretty sure I've seen this but, for the life of me,I can't remember what I did to fix it. I've done a fair amount of 5.1 dts >> AAC with wav as the intermediate file.

I'll try to duplicate the error. Are you encoding 2ch or 6ch wav? How large are the wav files? I remember having trouble with large wav files, at one point, and switching to 5.1 aif but I don't think that was THIS problem :(

I also remember that OagMachine didn't work until I updated BSN. Do you have the latest versions of everything (except aac.dll, if you prefer the -6chold option)?

No, don't give up yet!

[sillKotscha]

oh thank you so much guys... but I have one big problem!! At the moment I haven't any internet connection at home to post the necessary logfile(s).

So all I'm doing is sitting at work recalling all encountered errors and posting them here... as far as I remember them correctly...

but back to business...

yes, it's a large wav file because as I said I've captured a movie in uncompressed pcm_wav format (44,1KHz)

your efforts are so much appreciated but it must be me who's so dumb, 'cause I don't even get a *.mpa to transcode...

same error message (error number 32 or 48 if I recall correct)... "unable to configure bsn"

I'll try to find a way to post my logfile

thanks in advance guys

ah, EDIT: it's a 2ch wav file

Sill

Edit2: ok, yes I've downloaded BeSweet 1.4 and replaced everything with latest BeSweet package... so I'm guessing bsn.dll included in the last package is the preferred one, or is there a seperate download that I am missing??...

[tiki4]

Should be the same bsn.dll (0.2).

Cheers,

tiki4

[Tuning]

Originally posted by tiki4
I wonder.

While Winamp is great for playing MP3 or Ogg Vorbis or AAC or whatever, I don't see the point why to use it for multi channel movie soundtracks. I guess that's the reason the channel mapping is still wrong in in_mp4.dll.
tiki4 I can understand that tiki4.But with all other players capable of correct MCP(Multichannel playing),why not with winamp?.By the way if you can encode in 5.1 HE-AAC the resulting file will be only 20-30% larger than 128kbps stereo mp3 file,and every body could exploit this phenomenon and use 5.1He-AAC,instead of 5.1 Ac3.(Dolby Digital audio CDs).This implies the need of proper multichannle decoding plugin.
Bye.

[calinb]

Originally posted by sillKotscha yes, it's a large wav file because as I said I've captured a movie in uncompressed pcm_wav format (44,1KHz)

<snip>

ah, EDIT: it's a 2ch wav file

As I recall, I had trouble with DD-wav files once they reached 2GB, so I went to aif. I'll try to "test" my memory with actual files tonight :) I have encoded some fairly large 2ch PCM wavs, but none larger than 2GB.

[StoneRoses]

Originally posted by Tuning
I can understand that tiki4.But with all other players capable of correct MCP(Multichannel playing),why not with winamp

Maybe it's time to swithch to foobar2000 :) he..he...

Tiki,
I think multichannel surround is the future for music too, consider DVD-A or SACD. I rip some of my concert DVDs (with good 5.1 mix) to 5.1 AAC music with overall bitrate around 250kbps (AAC-LC) sinc I've found AAC-HE is not enough for music.

[sillKotscha]

I found the way to solve my problem - finally ;)

1. I had to untick "show config dialog"
2. and guess what... now wav->aac with oagmachine with no problem and even better...
3. after I ticked "show config dialog" again than I finally could conigure aac options as wanted - yuuuchhuuuuu :)

so, thanks again for your efforts it was much appreciated

btw, good morning

Sill

[tiki4]

Originally posted by StoneRoses

I think multichannel surround is the future for music too, consider DVD-A or SACD. I rip some of my concert DVDs (with good 5.1 mix) to 5.1 AAC music with overall bitrate around 250kbps (AAC-LC) sinc I've found AAC-HE is not enough for music.

What do you think how I come to AAC. I'm waiting for a good multichannel format with smaller bitrate than AC3 since I came to this forum.

:)

[calinb]

Originally posted by sillKotscha
I found the way to solve my problem - finally ;)

1. I had to untick "show config dialog"Ugggh! Oh yeah-- now I remember unchecking that box (and rechecking it), but I never correlated THAT to the problem.

Good morning Sill (I should be in bed!)

[filewalker]

Nero 6.0.0.23 is out...though I couldn't find a changelog neither for Nero nor for aac encoding at Nero.com :rolleyes:

Cu filewalker

[Tuning]

From Menno's reply,the other day,he had said the next version of AAC encoder will have the 48khz problem solved.

[Aboo]

Hey, guys. Can anyone of you send me AAC dll's from this new Nero 6.0.0.23? I've got a licensed version, but i don't want to dl the 20 megabyte update with my modem just for new aac libs. I need aac.dll, neroIPP.dll and aacenc.dll
Thanks in advance.:D

[mikeson]

@Aboo:
Can anyone of you send me AAC dll's from this new Nero 6.0.0.23?
You must be kidding. :rolleyes:

[Aboo]

Waddya mean? Guys, that's just i'll have to pay for 2 hours of downloading Nero update, if someone won't help me.
Pleeease...:rolleyes:

[tiki4]

I don't think Ahead allows the redistribution of these libraries independent from Nero Burning ROM. Be warned that this forum considers such things very serious.

tiki4

[JasonFly]

I understand your problem aboo. Because I also have 56 k and and it's difficult to take the decision to take 1 hour of downloading for a new veersion of Nero.

I downloaded 6.0.0.23 thinking that the 48/44.1 khz "problem would have been solved but it still exists. What a pity! On hour of download fo nothing.

I would have been happy if I could have only these dll, but I also think that it's not legal. So you must have to download the whole package.

Next time, i'll ask in this thread before downloading.

A 56k frined.

[Tuning]

Next time, i'll ask in this thread before downloading.
I have asked tiki4 for the same testing,then I will download.
Hope tiki gets some time and could do testing...:D

[menno]

Originally posted by JasonFly
I downloaded 6.0.0.23 thinking that the 48/44.1 khz "problem would have been solved but it still exists. What a pity! On hour of download fo nothing.
[/B]

What 48kHz bug are you talking about? You mean the bug in all the frontends using the Nero DLL's? I don't think that is getting fixed in a new Nero version :)

Menno

[calinb]

Originally posted by tiki4
I don't think Ahead allows the redistribution of these libraries independent from Nero Burning ROM. Be warned that this forum considers such things very serious.tiki4
This may be true but, along with the "demo mode" of the downloaded product, I noticed there's a demo mode for just the DLLs too. I was bringing up a temporary build on one of my machines for the purpose of testing some software. I didn't want to install even as much as the NeroMix ap, so I just installed the DLLs and ran Oagmachine. Lo and behold, up pops a screen telling me I only have "x" days left to demo the AAC encoder. (I own the box version.) This wasn't an issue for me because I was only running some tests before nuking and repaving the drive anyway, but it also implies that anyone who doesn't own the product will only get a demo with just the DLLs. Given the limitations of this case, maybe Aboo's request isn't so unreasonable.

[menno]

Read the EULA

Menno

[KpeX]

@Aboo

Consider yourself warned. Such a distribution is not allowed. Please keep this thread on topic, and respect the forum rules and Ahead's licensing agreement.

[Ramirez]

I think this "48/44khz bug" issue requires some clarification.

I can confirm that starting from 6.0.023 build, Nero's own internal encoding application producing correctly playable 48 kHz Stereo/5.1 audio, however the problem still persist when a Frontend application like Oagmachine is used for encoding (as menno stated) I'm pretty sure this is just a minor problem and DSPguru will correct it shortly.

P.S
I never got a chance to thank DSPguru, so here I go...

Thank you very much! :)

[calinb]

Mostly, I thought it was kind of interesting that the AAC DLL alone has a demo mode. Given that this thread is about BeSweet+Nero, and the fact that the Nero AAC DLL must be used with BeSweet, I'd like to CMA and point out that my discovery is "on topic."

Now I'll go out on a topic "limb" :) a bit and say that I actually read the Nero EULA just now. (Something most of us <next> right past!) According to the EULA, only one copy of "the software," solely for backup or archival purposes, is allowed. Given that restriction, one could argue that users are not even permitted to copy the DLLs ("software") to multiple subdirectories on their hard drive, ie., your Nero Common folder and your BeSweet folder and your GKnot folder, etc.--though I guess it would be legal to move it back and forth. You also may not "reverse engineer" the software so, unless Nero has published a public spec, just how does one go about legally writing an application interface to the DLLs? Nevertheless, these concerns are very much secondary to good and fair judgement and keeping this board legal, which I very much support!

[Aboo]

Originally posted by JasonFly
I understand your problem aboo. Because I also have 56 k and and it's difficult to take the decision to take 1 hour of downloading for a new veersion of Nero.


No you don't! :p I have 33.6k modem. Pretty old piece of junk! :D ;)

[bobsc]

@calinb
Did you include aacmp32.dll?

[calinb]

No, but aacmp32.dll isn't on my system that has a licensed copy of NeroMix installed either. (I'm not using the other media features--only Mix for the AAC.) I've since finished my test and reformated my drive, but I'm pretty sure I didn't copy aacmp32.dll.