Instantcopy 8

[-JS-]

Originally posted by MackemX
LOL, takes a brave man to admit that, but it's been good recently especially with the Mags :spit: losing :D

Heh, yes indeedy and us winning has been a pleasant suprise too :)

don't worry about getting the info for now as the MadGuy will have a copy of ICHSE available for IC8, which makes it simple to implement the tweaks anyway :)

That's good to know, cheers.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by royal
Were these movies that produced under-sized results with IC7?

I only tried one which would always get around 3.5Gb but when I tried it again it came out at 4.24Gb

that may still seem to be undersizing but I had default settings which has a 2% safety reserve and default analysis

IC only aims to fill 4.32Gb @default so if you take off 2% off that it gives you about 4.23-4.24Gb

if I did it again using modded settings, I guess it would be a lot nearer to 4.37Gb

so like I said, I'm getting some good results :D

[duartix]

My "solid" (I guess around 250 MB) undersize was with Gladiator but since you say that IC7 settings don't affect IC8 then it's all explained by the 6% default value for DVDSaveQuality parameter which is very accurate with 6% of 4.37 being 256 MB.

[Dre]

MackemX

Care to comment on if the following things fixed in Instantcopy 8?

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Striping Items Caused Problems on Some Players
Undersizing
DVD Output File Would Not Increase In Size No Matter What % You Used
Hidden Settings Did Not Really Do Anything
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[MackemX]

Originally posted by Dre
MackemX

Care to comment on if the following things fixed in Instantcopy 8?

[list=1]
Striping Items Caused Problems on Some Players
Undersizing
DVD Output File Would Not Increase In Size No Matter What % You Used
Hidden Settings Did Not Really Do Anything
[/list=1]
1. I cannot comment about my standalone as I do not have my fussy Sony anymore (because it was fussy!) and my new one plays anything (even 12" vinyls!) but IC does now accept it's own work so that's a good sign and PowerDVD playback works OK
2. none so far, all around 4.37GB
3. 2.35:1 black bar issue seems to be fixed
4. Hidden Settings do work for IC8 but you need to do it manually but IC7's do not
5. Hidden Bonus - I have found a way that I can crop bits of the movie with a minutes work :) (still undergoing testing to fully understand it)

[Dre]

Originally posted by MackemX
1. I cannot comment about my standalone as I do not have my fussy Sony anymore (because it was fussy!) and my new one plays anything (even 12" vinyls!) but IC does now accept it's own work so that's a good sign and PowerDVD playback works OK
2. none so far, all around 4.37GB
3. 2.35:1 black bar issue seems to be fixed
4. Hidden Settings do work for IC8 but you need to do it manually but IC7's do not
5. Hidden Bonus - I have found a way that I can crop bits of the movie with a minutes work :) (still undergoing testing to fully understand it)


Thank you for your input.

It kind of sounds like InstantCopy 8 is almost perfect. All the bad stuff from Instantcopy 7 has been fixed. Well, if you ignore the PDI file output. I can't wait for it to be released, I'll definately be upgrading from IC7.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by Dre
Thank you for your input.

It kind of sounds like InstantCopy 8 is almost perfect. All the bad stuff from Instantcopy 7 has been fixed. Well, if you ignore the PDI file output. I can't wait for it to be released, I'll definately be upgrading from IC7.
a VIDEO_TS output option is to be implemented also in a future update

and even better news I've discovered a way your can author you DVD using IC8 to crop bits you don't want using IFOEdit

it's exactly the same as the crop feature in DVDShrink

IC8 is getting better each day :D

[Zimmy]

Does Pinnacle need anymore beta testers?
Since I paid them $40US to beta test IC7 so they could fix the problems and re-release IC8, I'm sure I'm gullible enough to do it again!

/rant

;)

[Lazza]

Originally posted by Zimmy
Does Pinnacle need anymore beta testers?
Since I paid them $40US to beta test IC7 so they could fix the problems and re-release IC8, I'm sure I'm gullible enough to do it again!

/rant

;)

LOL - You make a good point there! :)

Well Mackem's little tweaks definately work for sure, after 3 movies done with them the lowest size .pdi file I've got so far is 4.27GB (Narc - Movie only) I don't know about you guys but with IC 7 when update 3 was released they promised a major speed improvement, many asked where it was when they tried it out and I was one of these. Just did not make a difference for me. :confused:

IC 8 though has been a different bag altogether, I'm sure you will notice the improvement in the speed area. And with the editing hack and the VIDEO_TS folder all in the works and of course ICHSE support for v8 things are looking fantastic for the future of this soft! :cool:

[Anijake]

Originally posted by MackemX
at the minute I will only share info with the few beta testers from Doom9 and other beta testers I know until it is officially released, so if you are a beta tester and can prove it by answering a simple question then feel free to PM me :)

If you are or know a beta tester why not tell Pinnacle to make these changes to the default registry keys so the program will work correctly out of the box?

[The Belgain]

When is this one supposed to be released by the way?

I think I'll probably stick with DVDShrink 3 beta until a final release of IC8 (hopefully with bugs ironed out) comes out. It is slightly worrying how many people are coming out with bugs.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by The Belgain
When is this one supposed to be released by the way?

I think I'll probably stick with DVDShrink 3 beta until a final release of IC8 (hopefully with bugs ironed out) comes out. It is slightly worrying how many people are coming out with bugs.
the official release will probably be a different version so I wouldn't worry about the bugs people are reporting and if it does have bugs I'm sure someone will come up with a workaround anyway

the main issue I had with IC7 was the sizing, especially the 2.35:1 undersing but this seems to have improved greatly in the new version and I'm sure the next InstantCopy Hidden Settings Editor will be a great help also

So apart from my slight hiccup regarding Nero, I don't have any issues with IC8 and I'm happy with it. I quite like the fact I can edit the IFO's just a touch to trim bits I don't want as IC is the only program that allows the dirty Ifoedit's and also allows you to replace VOB's of your choice in some cases :D

[voo_doo99]

Just received my $20 rebate from IC7, yay! [took 4 months]. May be I can use it for IC8 upgrade. Or better, if the upgrade is FREE :D

Is there any major UI improvement with IC8???. How I would wish for a DVDShrink-like interface, so.o.o intuitive with the auto-preview. OR BETTER, may be DVDShrink will advance to the quality even higher than IC, someday I hope I hope, cause its FREE! :D

[earloflondon]

WOW!!! Maybe there is hope after all! I haven't seen my rebate yet ( also 4 months). You have given me new hope!:D

Tim

[The Belgain]

So is this version (8.0.0.0251) considered "safe to use"? Ie will it introduce compatibility issues with standalone players, chapter/menu bugs etc?

I've just done a backup of Catch me if you can (which is 1.85:1 widescreen by the way) and the filesize came out at 4.26 GB which is pretty good compared to the encodes I did with IC7 (on different films, but they all came out at less than 4 GB).

[MackemX]

you never know what will be in the official released version so you can't really comment on compatibility issues just yet and it may also depend on you player's temperament

don't worry either, as there are ways and means around it before and after processing. I have a new theory that may just fix things after that might work but I'll wait for now as I'm playing with other stuff

[Scarpad]

Still no word on an official Upgrade Proceedure? Or if there will be one?

[The Belgain]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm not asking about whether or not there will be any compatibility issues in the final version. I mean are there any known compatibility issues with this one?

Oh, and I've compared the quality of Catch Me if you Can backed up using IC8 vs the DVDShrink 3 version (both using the high quality modes, and both keeping the same extras/sound tracks etc.) and I have to say I find the quality better with DVDShrink. I know this seems to go against popular opinion on the matter, and I guess it's a question of taste to a certain extent. The IC8 version just has much more noticeable macroblocking (especially in areas with a lot of noise/film grain - backgrounds etc.) but maybe keeps a little bit more detail than the DVDShrink version. This is with a compression of 68% on the main movie by the way. It seems that IC8 tries to go too low bitratewise in the scenes it considers "easy" to encode (down to less than 1 Mbps in some scenes) compared to DVDShrink and that is where the quality suffers.

I haven't compared to IC7 though. Do people think IC8 (even though it hasn't been released yet) has better or worse quality than IC7?

Oh, as for speed...IC8 took about 2 hours to do the 140 minute movie plus the menus. DVDShrink took about half the time (both working from an image mounted in Daemon Tools).

[MackemX]

I did understand you very well

I just tried to point out in a different way that you are asking about the stability of something that is not available yet and may not reflect the final product

I was also thinking that if you were a beta tester with a legitimate copy then you wouldn't be asking a question about the beta version in the first place. I do know some resellers have also said they have copies

I talk it about it freely now as I hold a legitimate copy but now my answers to IC8 questions or my comments are brief as I'd rather wait until the official version comes out before I start ripping IC8 to bits (just kidding :)) and answering people's problems

I have made some guides that work with IC8 but only the one that works with IC7 I uploaded. I do have other tricks 'n' tweaks that I would like to share but I can't because then the holders of the illegal copies may benefit from it 1st before the genuine IC8 users get a copy

So that's why I said it's best just to wait before you make judgement

I suggest you read this post HERE (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59769#post361839) and read Doom9's response and then decide whether you wish to discuss it further

I quote one of your earlier posts also from less than 24 hours ago, which suggests you have just got a copy
Originally posted by The Belgain
When is this one supposed to be released by the way?

I think I'll probably stick with DVDShrink 3 beta until a final release of IC8 (hopefully with bugs ironed out) comes out. It is slightly worrying how many people are coming out with bugs.

apologies if you do own a legitimate copy which can easily be proved, that's if you would want to prove it, but judging by the amount of people talking about it here and elsewhere, surely all of them can't have legal copies especially judging by some of the questions or comments they post

[MackemX]

Originally posted by Anijake
If you are or know a beta tester why not tell Pinnacle to make these changes to the default registry keys so the program will work correctly out of the box?
that would take all the fun out of it :D

Pinnacle have always had the safety buffer because of the way IC works

The tweaks I have used reduce these safety margins but then increase the risk of oversizing so in a sense it's best they are left to default to minimize the risk for those not willing to tweak it to the max

the excellent ICHSE program from the MadGuy will do the job with a few clicks which I'm sure will be released within hours of IC8 being released

[voo_doo99]

@MackemX
Can you tell me if there is significant changes in IC8 user interface, anything like auto-preview, single pane criteria select [rather than tabs] ala DVDShrink?.
Thanks.

[MackemX]

layout is generally the same as IC7 regarding the title selection screen but it has a few more options due to the extra setting adjusments that have been added

the slider adjusments have also improved as you can now adjust while in automatic mode and always have 4.37Gb, seems like Pinnacle have been reading suggestions as I asked for that ages ago in IC7 :)

the skin has also been changed but I found out that you can change it back to the old one if you ain't too keen on the colour scheme with a simple quick edit ;)

I like IC8 but I liked IC7 whereas some hated it, so I guess some will like IC8 and some won't

I'm just happy they are giving us a VIDEO_TS folder :D

[lrosado]

MackemX,

did you have any problems with the virtual drive from pinnacle, I've read that some people have had problems with it not working have you gottin it work without a problem or did you have to do something to get it to work. and do you know if Pinnacle knows about this problem?

[voo_doo99]

Originally posted by MackemX

I'm just happy they are giving us a VIDEO_TS folder :D

I am missing it, what does this really mean? :confused:. Does it mean IC8 will produce a VIDEO_TS output folder with DVD files in standard format [like intelligent tools], and do away with the cumbersome .pdi packings?. Please, say it is true! :cool:

[2COOL]

Originally posted by voo_doo99
I am missing it, what does this really mean? :confused:. Does it mean IC8 will produce a VIDEO_TS output folder with DVD files in standard format [like intelligent tools], and do away with the cumbersome .pdi packings?. Please, say it is true! :cool:
@voo_doo99

This post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=366979#post366979), from MackemX, in this thread should clear the smoke.

[voo_doo99]

Originally posted by 2COOL
@voo_doo99
This post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=366979#post366979), from MackemX, in this thread should clear the smoke.

Thanks @2COOL :cool: :cool:.
I need new glasses and more coffee. Scanned the the thread earlier but no pick up :rolleyes:. So it is true, yay! :cool:. Now, please say it is FREE [upgrade] :D

[jfcarbel]

I also hope they deliver IC8 with the load F6 saved settings feature fixed. I want to use the batch encoder app they offered.

I hate being at work thinking my computer is sitting there doing nothing for 7 hours after it finishes the first encode I setup before I leave in the morn.

MackemX - I know you were interested in this feature too. Did Pinnacle mention that this might be fixed in the release version of IC8 or is it already fixed?

For those of you unfamilier with the issue - IC will only load the F6 saved settings if you have it default to automatic mode. Which defeats the purpose of saved settings. What I want is to be able to go thru all my DVDs and setup all my compression settings and save them all. Then start a batch utility that loads in a list of F6 settings files from a specified directory and starts trancoding the whole batch one after another. So I can come home and my whole 24 Season 2 is backed up :)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by lrosado
did you have any problems with the virtual drive from pinnacle, I've read that some people have had problems with it not working have you gottin it work without a problem or did you have to do something to get it to work. and do you know if Pinnacle knows about this problem? no problems with Virtual Drive, in fact I like it as it gives the option of accessing the files immediately without having to use anything else to mount the PDI even if they are Read Only but VIDEO_TS would be so much better to have

I don't know if Pinnacle know about this so called problem but I haven't heard of others having problems with it but then again no-one has the official release yet so why worry about it just now, have faith :)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by jfcarbel
For those of you unfamilier with the issue - IC will only load the F6 saved settings if you have it default to automatic mode. Which defeats the purpose of saved settings. What I want is to be able to go thru all my DVDs and setup all my compression settings and save them all. Then start a batch utility that loads in a list of F6 settings files from a specified directory and starts trancoding the whole batch one after another. So I can come home and my whole 24 Season 2 is backed up :)

actually, I've never used or ever will use the batch processing tool as it's not for me

and sorry but no comment on the feature ;), again it's best you wait as I don't want to say anything yet but I will when it's released as things may change :)

[bravo889]

Hi guys,

I got a copy of IC8 the day before yesterday. I thought it was a great software but not after what happened.

I tried to back up my HEAT DVD R2 movies to a DVD-R.

I ripped the movie (DVD Decryptor). Authored it using Ifoedit (Kept only the main movie) and then Transoded it using High quality with IC8.
Till now everyting perfect. I tried it with PowerDVD the quality is great !!!

But now I tried to burn it with IC8 I got an error at the end saying that IC8 can't close the disc session. SHIT!!!. Thats 2.4 Euro thrown to the garbage. I tried to close the session with Nero but no way. although it plays ok on my NEC 1300A but not on any other DVD-ROM or stand alone player.

So I tried to write it on a DVD+RW this time. It manages to close the disc and everything but once I click to see whats on the disc. The disc is EMPTY !!! i.e. I can't see anything on the DISC. what the hell is this now I thought.

So I tried to copy the files from the image created by IC8 using their virtual drive. But it also doesn't work it take like 5 hours to copy 1 BOV file.

So I uninstalled IC8 and continued using Shrink until further notice.

does anyone of you know what the hell went wrong in my system.

I have 2 theories:
1- Maybe conflic with another software probably Nero 6.0.0.15
2- Maybe I am using the wrong ASPI 4.72

Anyhow I appreciatre any comments.

[MackemX]

Hi welcome to the forums

this is a known issue so don't worry about it as there is a fix

read one of my earlier posts HERE (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=371442#post370449) about IC8 issues though

cheers :)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by MackemX
the skin has also been changed but I found out that you can change it back to the old one if you ain't too keen on the colour scheme with a simple quick edit ;)

I like IC8 but I liked IC7 whereas some hated it, so I guess some will like IC8 and some won't

I'm just happy they are giving us a VIDEO_TS folder :D Typical, I always find the hard way to do something first :D

I asked Pinnacle about the skin feature and if an option to enable/disable could be implemented because if you remove the IC8 skin file, IC8 defaults theme of your Desktop

so you could have IC8 looking as daft as THIS (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/Pics/toon.jpg) :eek: (this is not my normal desktop by the way :p)

I was told the disable/enable option is in the Programs menu :o so there you go, it's already implemented and as easy as that. There is a skin editor demo available at http://www.link-rank.com/feature.htm that works with the .skn file but I'm happy that you can disable the default skin to fit in with the style of my desktop

there's are a few more tips 'n' tweaks for IC8 but it is also still developing as quite a few more features have been implemented or fixed (thanks for listening to us Pinnacle), which I think is great :cool:

If you guys can think of any suggestions, I'll gladly pass them on as Pinnacle may just be able to implement it in the future. I'm all out of ideas at the minute as most of my requests (past and present) are now implemented. Most of the ideas I've seen on this board from other threads along with the other betatesters suggestions have also been implemented so they are listening
:D :D :D

[htc10825]

The copy of IC8 in web is version 7.5 in the registry.

I tried it on my backup of "End of Days"(RC2), it has 27 totles, the main movie is the last one(#27).

1. If I only choose the movie with menu, I can only get a disc image of 3.9GB, no matter how what you set the %(at 99.5%, the video data is 4.89GB). Though the qulity is good, but I dont want to waste the disk space!

2. the virtual drive works very, very bad. WinDVD 4.11 B36 refused to play, PowerDVD 5.0 works well. But you cannot copy all the files to local hdd, it sucks!

3. the pdi-utility for IC7 dose not work for the new image file. It extract all the small files and the first big vob file, then quitt without reason.

[jfcarbel]

Here are my ideas and feature suggestions:

Slider on preview pane. To seek quickly thru the video rather then just play button, like DVDShrink.

Ability to preview/play audio streams, so I know which ones are the commentaries I want to keep

Ability to clip off the credits from both movies and episode DVDs even if the credits are part of the episode and appear in the same cell. This would save alot of space on TV episode DVDs were the credits appear after each one!

I like the interface of DVDShrink and alot of people brag about it as well, so it would be nice to see a better interface.

Some that should be very easy to implement:

Regarding F6 saved Profiles:
- ability to save project name description in the saved profiles. Might be an option so when you press F6 it prompts you to enter a description and/or file name

- start and end date/time saved in file. So I know how long encode took.

[komanch]

Little question:

does F5 (Enable the OK button ignoring all size issues) works in IC8?

___________
update:
ok, it's work fine, no-question :)

[dvd_maniac]

Slider on preview pane. To seek quickly thru the video rather then just play button, like DVDShrink.
As I do alot of episode DVDs.
Anyway to create more space for video is really the key to success for these programs...The better the quality of the final output, the more the users will brag and the more people will buy.

[Scarpad]

I recieved an Upgrade email from Pinnicle. $29.95 to upgrade it IC8. A Bit more pricy than I like but I went for it, at least they offered Free shipping.

[jfcarbel]

MackemX - Now that IC8 is officially released can you talk about all the features that made it into IC8. There site of course does not go into the details (i.e. does it include VIDEO_TS folder output, etc.)

It would greatly be appreciated by those of us excited to see if what we requested got into IC8.

From your last post it sounded like alot of stuff that was requested got into the 8.0 release.

[jfcarbel]

MackemX - I understand from your post in another thread that technically your beta-tester status does not end just because the release it out. So I understand you probably cannot comment.

So, can other users comment about what they see new in IC8 or maybe we should create another thread called "IC8 Released - discuss features here"

MackemX - is Pinnacle accepting any beta testers for version 9?

[MackemX]

Originally posted by jfcarbel
MackemX - Now that IC8 is officially released can you talk about all the features that made it into IC8. There site of course does not go into the details (i.e. does it include VIDEO_TS folder output, etc.)

It would greatly be appreciated by those of us excited to see if what we requested got into IC8.

From your last post it sounded like alot of stuff that was requested got into the 8.0 release.
regarding what you suggested previously and also asked about I can't really comment as I don't have a final release :( so I don't know what's has and hasn't made it into IC8 Final

I can say I'm happy though :D and no doubt as soon as someone gets a copy they will comment on it :), so who's gonna be first and take the risk?

:EDIT:, looks like Scarapad has jumped straight in, feet first, don't forget to keep us informed if you get it delivered first ;)

[jfcarbel]

MackemX - welcome to the twlight zone, we both posted at the same time :)

In case your not looking back - Is Pinnacle accepting any more testers for version 9 or can you ask?

[MackemX]

Originally posted by jfcarbel
MackemX - I understand from your post in another thread that technically your beta-tester status does not end just because the release it out. So I understand you probably cannot comment.

So, can other users comment about what they see new in IC8 or maybe we should create another thread called "IC8 Released - discuss features here"

MackemX - is Pinnacle accepting any beta testers for version 9?

of course other users can comment and hopefully I can join in the bashing :D, though at the minute nobody actually has a Final release of IC8 so nothing much can be said but a new thread would be a good idea so that users can post info/questions etc as I'm sure there will be plenty of that going on :D

[MackemX]

Originally posted by jfcarbel
MackemX - welcome to the twlight zone, we both posted at the same time :)

In case your not looking back - Is Pinnacle accepting any more testers for version 9 or can you ask?
don't worry I'm ready every post :)

sorry, I ain't got a clue about testers and anyway they've got me :D, the IC7 Master so do they really need more cooks to spoil the broth? just kidding of course :p

I guess I was just an unoffical beta tester of IC7 as I was forever playing with it and trying to make it work right. I would still have tested IC8 but only later if I wasn't a beta tester now so I'm pleased I was asked so I could give some input into IC8

I suppose the best thing about being a beta tester for IC8 is that I can give direct feedback to Pinnacle regarding issues/ideas instead of having to write 2 page guides on how to fix things or post on the forum like I have previously. This way Pinnacle can do whatever is required before it's publicly released to ensure we are all happy :D

like I've said previously, they have come up with fixes to most of my own issues regarding IC7 and it looks like it's going to be the same with IC8 which is better for all concerned

I can't wait to do some troubleshooting with IC8 :cool:

BRING IT ON

[Scarpad]

Yeah I did. But I've been pretty Happy with IC7. The latest updates of IC7 along with the registry tweaks have helped and Even thou the sizing problem still persists I can get results pretty close to the mark and the quality has been nothing short of excellent.

When I get the Shipment I'll let everyone know...

[geffroman]

It appears there is NO UPGRADE product to get me a discount as an IC7 User... Do I have to pay full price again after putting up with IC7...?

Does anyone know different...?

[m1482]

No !!!

There is an upgrade for owners of IC 7, I just order it...

[MackemX]

Originally posted by m1482
No !!!

There is an upgrade for owners of IC 7, I just order it... can you give us some details?

[MackemX]

Originally posted by geffroman
It appears there is NO UPGRADE product to get me a discount as an IC7 User... Do I have to pay full price again after putting up with IC7...?

Does anyone know different...?

here is the link for $29.99 HERE (http://pinnacle.productorder.com/cart/ShopCart.asp?Qty=1&ItemNum=210100338&SRC=PCL2ICFS)

[CiViC]

i thought i read somewhere that compusa is having (or had) a promotion where you can get instantcopy 8 via a free upgrade...

[Enialator]

I tried to post in here and ended up posting in the "One click DVD backup solutions" root anyways my post was ment to be seen by ppl who read and write in this part of the forum.

Here is the name of the thread "Chapter/Extras menu error" sorry for the inconvinience.