DVD Shrink Reauthor

[2COOL]

To go even further, you can now bypass that still (shrunk) chapter by editing the Cell's Playback time and entry point sector value in IFOedit.;)

[gnipooldd]

I have edited my previous post to link to a single image containing the 3 screen captures.
I believe I didn't make myself clear. ;)
I have no doubt that you get still pictures if you select to apply it to one or more portions of the title, or that a deleted or highly compressed portion of the title will be deleted or highly compressed.
What I'm still not convince about is that the gain in space is actually used.
Please look at my screen captures and try explaining the figures to me. :)

[layer3maniac]

well, I actually enjoy reading credits. Go figure...

But if you don't want to see them, wouldn't it be better to just eliminate them with the Start/End so all the available space can go toward the movie? :confused:

[MackemX]

it should make the process of keeping menus/extras easier and quicker to do as you should be able to replace the new movie VOB's and click Get VTS to correct it all

[MackemX]

@ddlooping
in the mixed compressions pic you can see you have set 4058MB to 78% and 601MB at still pictures giving the total

in the two instances it looks like you have selected two parts of the DVD in automatic so it's showing two of them

[layer3maniac]

Originally posted by gnipooldd
What I'm still not convince about is that the gain in space is actually used. Please look at my screen captures and try explaining the figures to me. :) The figure that tells you the extra gain in space is being actually used is the size of the finished product number - in the case of the screenshots you posted - 4464 mb.

Think of it this way, if both the DVD's are using the same space -4464 mb, and one is using LESS for the credits, where is the remainder of the space being used? The main feature, of course!

[MackemX]

has anyone mentioned you can remove the audio from the end credits also?

[gnipooldd]

Oh I don't know, I'm confused. :D

I'm gonna try it and see what the resulting files sizes are. :)

[gnipooldd]

"has anyone mentioned you can remove the audio from the end credits also?"

Not much point in keeping the end-credits then. :)
The all purpose of this exercise is to keep the music so as to allow the mood of the movie to carry through (and not end abruptly). ;)

Well, it is for me anyway. :P

[MackemX]

Originally posted by gnipooldd
Oh I don't know, I'm confused. :D

I'm gonna try it and see what the resulting files sizes are. :)

ignore the figures

just set it to automatic 1st

then select the parts you want to be stills and also set the parts you want different ratios for

DVDShrink will stick to those settings you change and then automatically fill the rest of the DVD with the parts set to automatic

don't set parts to automatic which it looks like you did

[MackemX]

Originally posted by gnipooldd
"has anyone mentioned you can remove the audio from the end credits also?"

Not much point in keeping the end-credits then. :)
The all purpose of this exercise is to keep the music so as to allow the mood of the movie to carry through (and not end abruptly). ;)

Well, it is for me anyway. :P

like I mentioned above, I think it may be possible to just replace the movie VOB's and then click Get VTS sectors without having to use the longer methods for keeping menu/extras when using DVDSHrink reauthor ;)

[maa]

Before I start I set to "No Compression" to protect the fast scenes.
Then compress the rest around them with the trick. Anyone read my corrected post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59039#post374357)? Make sense now ?

[gnipooldd]

Hi all. :)

Here is the beta version of the guide. ;)

http://www.dvdshrink.info/mixed-compressions.htm

I haven't finalized it yet because I was hoping you could check it first, to make sure the process is right. :D

[maa]

Yes - very good. I now see the advantage in pre-setting automatic because you can't change the "rest" later.

Of course it doesn't need to be done by chapter - that was just an example. Scenes can be done on a frame basis (would be nice if shrink became more frame accurate)

This technique does help improve the percieved quality considerably.
For really long films it may be neccesary to run the whole film through the procedure twice.

[gnipooldd]

"Yes - very good"
Thanks for the positive feedback, maa. :)

"Of course it doesn't need to be done by chapter..."
That will be indicated in the guide, at the point where I use the start/end on chapter 9. ;)

[JediSthlm]

Howdy

A question, what program is used for making the guides?

Thanx,

[gnipooldd]

Hello JediSthlm. :)

As indicated under all the guides (:p), it is "Wink". ;)

http://www.debugmode.com/wink/

[JediSthlm]

Thanx :)

[gnipooldd]

You're welcome. ;)

[Sbofen]

Glad to some people have made sense of my gibberish! :D

gnipooldd, the only thing in your beta guide I would change would be instead of selecting 'ratio 100%' for chapter 9, just select 'no compression'.. I guess its user preference though :rolleyes:

[gnipooldd]

Thanks for the reply, Sbofen. :)

"...instead of selecting 'ratio 100%' for chapter 9, just select 'no compression'"

I intend to indicate this option in the accompanying text. ;)

[layer3maniac]

Originally posted by Sbofen
Glad to some people have made sense of my gibberish! :D Actually, you did an excellent job of explaining and exposing this secret feature. When I first came across this thread it was immediately clear to me that you had discovered a nugget of gold and I was blown away that such an awesome feature was still virtually unknown a month later. The technique itself is just naturally confusing, as indicated by all the subsequent failed attempts at clarifying it. IMHO, that makes this an ideal candidate for one of gnipooldd's excelent WINK guides.

What an awesome program! This community owes DVDShrink (the author) a huge debt.

[gnipooldd]

"I was blown away that such an awesome feature was still virtually unknown a month later."

So was I!! :D

"...that makes this an ideal candidate for one of gnipooldd's excelent WINK guides."

Thanks layer3maniac. :)

Have you viewed the beta version of the guide?
http://www.dvdshrink.info/mixed-compressions.htm (beta)

I'm working on the final version right now. ;)

[atreides93]

Amazing...I've been using DVdShrink for a few weeks now and never knew this technique existed. In fact I was just talking to a friend about how cool it would be if you could select different ratios for different chapters!!! doh!!!

The only thing I don't like is I would prefer knowing what percentage it was "automatically" calculating...but that's ok i guess.
I imagine this method works for version 2.3 as well? I am using 2.3 mostly.
I wanted to avoid the bugs in 3.0beta 5 that I heard about.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by atreides93
The only thing I don't like is I would prefer knowing what percentage it was "automatically" calculating...but that's ok i guess.

why not do as maa suggested earlier and set it to no compression and reduce each part to exactly what you want?
:EDIT: or set it to the lowest you want it to ever go using the ratio and then raise the selective areas with the space you have created?

[gnipooldd]

I have finished the guide. :D

Please have a look and tell me what you think. ;)

http://www.dvdshrink.info/mixed-compressions.htm

It is not yet linked to the site (hence the bland and empty page),
but will be soon. :)

[maa]

:cool:Perfect:cool: - well done. Seems to cover every useage. :D

[gnipooldd]

Cool, thanks. :D

[layer3maniac]

Originally posted by atreides93
I imagine this method works for version 2.3 as well? I am using 2.3 mostly. I wanted to avoid the bugs in 3.0beta 5 that I heard about. It seems to work with 2.3 as well. But because of the added quality attained from the Deep Analysis feature in 3.0 beta 5, I definitly prefer it.

[layer3maniac]

Originally posted by gnipooldd
Please have a look and tell me what you think. I think that you did a GREAT job! With complicated techniques like this, those WINK guides of yours are KILLER! Thanks!

[gnipooldd]

"I think that you did a GREAT job!"

Thanks, layer3maniac. :)

"With complicated techniques like this, those WINK guides of yours are KILLER! Thanks!"

My pleasure. ;)

[Richk50]

Another great guide. You have the ability to break down complicated things down and make them appear simple.

[gnipooldd]

Thanks for the compliment, Richk50, I really apreciate it. :)

[Sbofen]

Originally posted by layer3maniac
It seems to work with 2.3 as well. But because of the added quality attained from the Deep Analysis feature in 3.0 beta 5, I definitly prefer it.

I thought Deep Analysis was for automatic compression so the software would give more bitrate to the fast acction scenes. But if your setting each scene manually, now I'm confused on what its actually doing. :confused: (or made for):confused:

[layer3maniac]

Personlly, I don't set each scene manually. I set the credits to stills and if I think particular scenes need special attention I set them manually. The rest is on autopilot.

[ddlooping]

I just wanted to add that your last selection does not have to be the whole title, as long as it contains the previous selections. ;)

[Karovaldas]

Dear DVDShrink,

Very cool feature--multiple compression settings for one title!!!

Here's something I'd like to see in the future versions. Rather than "stills" being the highest compression setting, would it be possible to replace the video with a blank (black?) screen.

Purpose? I am not much interested in the credits--can look that information up on the internet, if need be. So a logical way to save space would be to cut the entire credits portion out when re-authoring. I don't want to do that, however, because very often there's nice music playing while the credits are rolling.

Is there a way to do that already?

And a follow up question--can anybody shed light on the amount of space that I would be saving by eliminating the stills and replacing them with blank video.

Thanks again! (to the author and for the guide!)

[ddlooping]

Hi Karovaldas. :)

I'm affraid DVD Shrink development has ended, and no new features will be added:

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30700

As far as your second question is concerned, it all depends on the length and bitrate of the end-credits.
All I can say is that in most cases, using "Still Pictures" on the end-credits will make them about 20% or less of their original size (not including the audio).
This in turn yelds a gain between 2 to 4% on the overal compression ratio.
Using a blank image would then save most of the rest (still not including the audio).
Keep in mind these figures are really approximations. ;)

[Scarpad]

Howdy all. I usually use DVD2 one when I want a movie only copy because I've been basically uncessfull with DVDShrink. I've read the reauthored guides but it seems when I do movie only the resultant disks do not play.

Basically I rip using Decrypter in File Mode all files. Then I open the disk in that location. I choose Reauthor and I drag the main movie vob over, I then select the streams I want to keep. I then process into another folder and then burn with Record Now Max.
Shrink in Full movie mode works great but I never can do movie only. Any suggestions?

[ddlooping]

I'm affraid I do not have any suggestions, Scarpad, as you seem to do everything properly (even though you do not really have to rip with DVD Decrypter first). :confused:

What kind of error message - if any - do you get when trying to play the DVD Shrink "movie-only" backups?
Can you play them from your hard-drive (using WinDVD "DVD from folder" for example)?
What burning procedure do you follow when making full-disk backups, and in what way does it differ from a movie-only one?
What DVD Shrink version are you using?

[Scarpad]

No difference in the burning proceedure I burn with Record Now both the Audio and Video TS folders. I get a Disk cannot be read error or that it just endlessly loads on my other standalone. I'll try again this time I might try keeping a trailer or something...

[ddlooping]

Scarpad, are you using a recent DVD Shrink version, like v3.0b5 or v3.1.6?
If yes, whether you're using full-disk or not shouldn't make any difference to your backups/set-top compatibility.

[Scarpad]

I reauthored 3 disks last night with the latest version of 3.16 and they all worked beautifully. So I'm not sure if it was the other versions, Bad media or something else. But it works. I love this reauthoring I make a pretty good looking backup of my disk I thru on the Studio's into, then the trailer for the movie then the movie itself. Very neat. I do have a question I'd love to be able to take some Dolby Digital Vobs and insert them before the movie starts, I Have the vobs in a seperate folder. Would I have to drop the vob into the movies Video_TS folder prior to reauthoring and reupdate the ifo with something like Ifoupdate so that shrink Sees it ?

Appreciate the info...

[dvdshrink]

If the Dolby Digital vobs are part of an entire separate DVD (with IFO files etc) then you can add them in DVD Shrink re-author mode, just browse to the folder containing them with the "DVD Browser", which works in similar fashion to Windows Explorer. Re-author mode will let you combine titles from multiple discs in this way.

[Scarpad]

they are not they are just seperate vobs but I could use Ifoedit to create Ifo files for the seperate vobs so that shrink sees it as a dvd Correct?

[dvdshrink]

Yes, I think so. Make sure it creates a VIDEO_TS.IFO file as well, or DVD Shrink won't see it as a DVD.

I'm gonna have to try this myself one day, so I can give better advice ;-)

[bobwillis]

Hi,

Ifoedit will indeed create the ifos required; http://ifoedit.wh.fr0zen.com/createifo094.html

Regards,
Bob

[dvdshrink]

I tried it, and it does indeed work.

If you don't care about the correct language code being written to the IFO file, the steps can be made simpler:

1. Copy the vob file to an empty folder
2. rename it to VTS_01_1.VOB, if it isn't called that already
3. Run IFOedit
4. Hit "Create IFOs" button
5. Check "Create 1 PGC only" and "create chapter for each cell"
6. Select the source vob file
7. Check destination folder is "Same as source"
8. Hit OK

Then just close IFOedit. No need for "Get VTS sectors" or any other messing around. The resulting DVD can be opened in DVD Shrink by selecting the folder, or browsing to it in re-author mode.

[ddlooping]

Scarpad, here is a little guide that might be of help once you've created the IFOs. ;)

http://www.dvdshrink.info/compilation.php

[Millenium Falcon]

How does one know when using Shrink what parts of the movie relate to what? Using Shrink the movie will show up as the largest mb. What about the others containing the trailers etc. Also keen to know how to cut out the credits at the end of a movie. Thanks