RAW Subtitles?!

[Tornberry]

What program can I use to rip the raw subtitles into .sub format, so I can stick them on my movie without using OCR. I want the exact same subs and alligment as on the DVD.

I've tried SubRip and DVD SUBRipper, none which do what I want.

[Demi-god]

VobSub is the thing you want. It will produce a pair of .sub and .idx files which you have to include separately with the main movie(since none of the current containers support multiplexing VobSub subtitles). Rename the resulting idx and sub files so their name matches with your main movie, like: abcd.avi abcd.sub abcd.idx and it should work.

[Tornberry]

Well, the thing is, I'm trying to make an OGM with 3 sub streams: French, Spanish, and English.

There's one problem. The English subtitle stream is actually captions, thus different subs are located on different parts of the picture, depending on who's talking. If I used the same method (OCR) for the other two sub streams, it would merge different lines into one line, and would be too confusing to read.

Is there any way to take the subs raw, and add them to an OGM?

[Tornberry]

Hey, there IS a way to slap the .sub onto the OGM. I just need to use SubMux! Howver, one problem still. How do I use VOBsub to extract/rip the .sub from an IDX or IFO file?

I want to do with without having to encode them onto a video.

[Tornberry]

Didn't realize it would create the .sub and .idx without having to encode a video. I didn't understand when you said "seperatley", but now I do. I can use SubMux to add it into the OGM without affecting the video. Ah, encoding is so bliss. :)

[Tornberry]

I made the .sub, and just realized that SubMux doesn't support .sub files. So now I'm stuck. How would I add a .sub to an OGM file so it can be switched on and off? And if that will not work here's another option I need help with:

In Windows Media Player, when you go to View > Caption it shows an extra blank area underneath the video. Is there any way I can have the .sub subtitles display in there? (I do not want to overlap the video whatsoever.)

-Thank you. :)

[Demi-god]

How would I add a .sub to an OGM file so it can be switched on and off?
You don't. That's what I told you in the first place and it's also the thing I've been whining about around here but nobody is paying attention. Maybe the Matroska folks could add this possibility to their spec, but currently there is NO WAY to do this. OGM is dying but before Matroska starts supporting chapters it's still the way to go for me.
Currently you just have to bundle the sub/idx files with your ogm.

[epere4]

Remember you can compress the sub file generated by VobSub using WinRAR.
You just have to include this files and the subs will appear:
movie.avi (or .ogm)
movie.idx
movie.rar (containing the movie.sub file)

This saves you a bit of room for a higher bitrate in the movie :D

[unmei]

Image stream is still on the to-do list for Matroska, i really hope it will not be delayed for too long, but i assume we all agree chapters first are more important :D
Btw picture formats will most likely be jpg, png, bmp. Also USF should get embedded binary data, therefore if USF happened to be implemented earlier than picture stream one could use that as itermediate solution, but i rather think picture stream will be fully supported before USF, just because its less complex from what i understand.