DV > SVCD using dvd2svcd?

[Sarah]

is it possible ?

can't seem to load in an avi file

[bb]

Yes, possible. It's even easy. But you have to install a VfW (= Video for Windows) DV codec, like Canopus, Mainconcept, etc.

See the sticky thread "Links" in this forum.

bb

[r6d2]

@bb,

The link for Canopus codec pointed there is no longer working it seems. Do you know other place this can be gotten?

[bb]

Originally posted by r6d2
@bb,

The link for Canopus codec pointed there is no longer working it seems. Do you know other place this can be gotten?
I updated the link in the "Links" sticky thread. Thanks for pointing out.

For your convenience: ftp://www.canopus.com/pub/drivers/misc/dvcodec.exe

bb

[r6d2]

Not working either. It seems you have to be logged at Canopus site now. I downloaded it last night by registering there.

I'm trying to use DVD2SVCD to do my DV->SVCDs. So far I've learnt that:
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You have to use the capture/editing software provided (mine is VideoStudio 5.0 SE DVD) to add the titles, cut the clips and such.
Then you have to output an AVI hopefully with no much loss (either with a good DV codec or with a really lossless codec) to your hard drive.
DVD2SVCD does not read DV AVIs without the proper codec, so you have to install it.
The codec should be the Canopus (also panasonic or mainconcept, but Canopus is prefered)
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I'm quite lost. :confused:

Video Studio is very unnatural to use for me. Can I use MovieMaker?
Is a type-2 AVI prefered for DVD2SVCD input?
Canopus freeware codec is now "read only".
How the hell do I use the HuffYuv codec here?
Do I need to convert the output AVI with the Canopus converter?

bb, excuse my ignorance. I created an SVCD using your TMPGEnc guide, but I really like to use DVD2SVCD to do the hard work of resizing, overlapping, and such.

[r6d2]

I see I'm getting the code of silence for making stupid questions :)

Well, I'll dig some more before asking any further. ;)

[Mtz]

Originally posted by r6d2
Not working either. It seems you have to be logged at Canopus site now. I downloaded it last night by registering there.

For download, use Flash Get. Right click > Download with Flash Get.

I use Pinnacle Studio 8 and I can save the work in any installed codec from the system including HuffYUV. r6d2, try Pinnacle Studio 8.

With WinDV you can to select what type of avi (type 1 or type 2) to transfer from cam.

And I have some questions too:
1. For deinterlacing (if I want that) what filter to use in the AviSynth script from D2S and if I need another filter which is not coming with D2S.
2. I have the MainConcept codec installed and the Canopus. My DV avi have FourCC dvsd and the codec used for that is MainConcept. For converting with Canopus Procoder I need to change the FourCC to cdvc? I read that Canopus DV Codec have problems with chroma. What's happen if I check in D2S "Convert Microsoft DV avi to Canopus Codec" and my fourCC is dvsd? I need for that and for the Four CC cdvc to add the line FixBrokenChromaUpsampling()in the AviSynth script from the Frameserver tab?

[bb]

Originally posted by r6d2
Not working either. It seems you have to be logged at Canopus site now. I downloaded it last night by registering there.
Don't know what's wrong. I can download from there without being logged in with no problem at all.

You have to use the capture/editing software provided (mine is VideoStudio 5.0 SE DVD) to add the titles, cut the clips and such.
Correct :) You should save in type-2 format, else you have to convert to type-2 later, which costs time and twice the hdd space.
Then you have to output an AVI hopefully with no much loss (either with a good DV codec or with a really lossless codec) to your hard drive.
DVD2SVCD uses some VfW procedures, so make sure you have a type-2 DV file. You can work with other AVI formats, too, e.g. Huffyuv encoded.
DVD2SVCD does not read DV AVIs without the proper codec, so you have to install it.
I recommend to use the MainConcept codec. You can use Canopus, too, but you have to check "Convert Microsoft DV AVI to Canopus Codec" in the "Misc." tab to take care of the fourCC.
The codec should be the Canopus (also panasonic or mainconcept, but Canopus is prefered)
The Panasonic codec decodes to RGB only. I prefer the MainConcept codec.
I'm quite lost. :confused:
I'm trying to save you ;)

Video Studio is very unnatural to use for me. Can I use MovieMaker?
I don't use MovieMaker, sorry. If it can save to DV (type-2 preferred), then it should be ok.
Is a type-2 AVI prefered for DVD2SVCD input?
Yes, definitely (and unfortunately). You get an error message if you try to open a type-1 file.
Canopus freeware codec is now "read only".
Well, all you need to do in DVD2SVCD is decode, so that's ok.
How the hell do I use the HuffYuv codec here?
You can use the Huffyuv codec to save your AVI after the editing step in the beginning. From that time you don't deal with DV any longer, and you don't need a DV codec for DVD2SVCD. If you save to Huffyuv instead of DV, you won't lose quality after the editing, but the file will be twice as big.
Do I need to convert the output AVI with the Canopus converter?
If it's type-1, yes. If it's type-2, there's no need for a conversion. There are other DV type converters, too (see "Links" sticky).

bb

[bb]

Originally posted by r6d2
I see I'm getting the code of silence for making stupid questions :)

Well, I'll dig some more before asking any further. ;)
Digging can't hurt, of course :)
Sometimes I just don't have the time to answer immediately. In this case I had to try the current DVD2SVCD version again, which takes some time.

bb

[bb]

Originally posted by Mtz
I use Pinnacle Studio 8 and I can save the work in any installed codec from the system including HuffYUV. r6d2, try Pinnacle Studio 8.
There are other good DV editors, too. Pinnacle Studio is known to be buggy, but on the other hand it's easy to use.
With WinDV you can to select what type of avi (type 1 or type 2) to transfer from cam.
Make sure your DV editing program doesn't have problems with type-2 editing. E.g. for Ulead MediaStudio (at least until 6.5) it's better to use type-1.
1. For deinterlacing (if I want that) what filter to use in the AviSynth script from D2S and if I need another filter which is not coming with D2S.
You can use SmartDeinterlace or Blendfields, whatever you like best. If you prefer to use e.g. FieldDeinterlace or KernelDeint, then check "Edit as part of Video encoding" in the "Frameserver" tab, and select "No deinterlacing" as you enter the command manually. When the AVS editor is displayed during encoding, enter your deinterlacer after the AviSource command.
2. I have the MainConcept codec installed and the Canopus. My DV avi have FourCC dvsd and the codec used for that is MainConcept. For converting with Canopus Procoder I need to change the FourCC to cdvc? I read that Canopus DV Codec have problems with chroma. What's happen if I check in D2S "Convert Microsoft DV avi to Canopus Codec" and my fourCC is dvsd? I need for that and for the Four CC cdvc to add the line FixBrokenChromaUpsampling()in the AviSynth script from the Frameserver tab?
I'd say just leave the fourCC at "dvsd" and use the MainConcept codec. If you prefer the Canopus codec for some reason, simply check the "Convert Microsoft DV avi to Canopus Codec" checkbox, and DVD2SVCD will change the fourCC to "cdvc".

By the way: Nowadays I would not resample to 44.1 kHz, although this is the SVCD standard. If you ever want to put your SVCDs on a DVD, you'll need 48kHz. And as far as I know, DVD players don't have problems with SVCD 48kHz playback. So don't check "Audio 1 downsample 48 -> 44.1" in the Audio tab.

bb

[r6d2]

:thanks: guys for your help.
Originally posted by bb
I don't use MovieMaker, sorry. If it can save to DV (type-2 preferred), then it should be ok.
I'll try and report back.
You can use the Huffyuv codec to save your AVI after the editing step in the beginning. From that time you don't deal with DV any longer, and you don't need a DV codec for DVD2SVCD. If you save to Huffyuv instead of DV, you won't lose quality after the editing, but the file will be twice as big.
I bought a 120 gig to deal with this. ;)

Thanks, I understand the reason and place to use HuffYUV, but then yet another stupid question (the last one, I hope): ;)

How do I tell my "capture" software, after editing, to use it at saving time? I expected to see a "Save as" option, but I don't get it. :confused:

[bb]

Originally posted by r6d2
How do I tell my "capture" software, after editing, to use it at saving time? I expected to see a "Save as" option, but I don't get it. :confused:
You don't :D
Your DV capture software will always capture DV format - it's a lossless transfer of the DV data from your camcorder's tape to your PC's hdd, not comparable to analogue capturing.
You probably want to edit your DV source before you encode it to the final format, and here's where the Huffyuv codec can kick in:
Although good video editors render only edited parts of the video, there will be a (tiny) generational loss after each saving step; because each time you save to DV format the edited parts will be recompressed. Chossing a lossless codec avoids this generational loss, thus you can edit the same part over and over again without degrading quality (at least not due to recompression; any filters applied may still degrade quality). For the same reason some people use frameserving.

You have to decide yourself if it's worth the effort for you. I usually stay on the straightforward DV path.

bb

[r6d2]

Originally posted by bb
You don't :D
bb, my friend. I came to a conclusion: it's not the question the stupid one. It must be me. :) I've asked the same thing twice and still have not made myself clear.

Then again, I understand the DV stuff you mention. I transfer the DV to disk, as lossless as ripping a DVD (I used the word "capture" between quotes to reflect a loose meaning) ;). Then I edit the stuff, add the titles, transitions, and create an AVI type 2.

There's where I expect a "Save as" in my editor, to use HuffYUV as the output codec. (I hope I explained it clearly now).

(As mtz suggests it exists in Pinnacle Studio, which I don't own.)

BTW, I'm not liking VideoStudio because it is very intrusive. It always runs maximized, preview mode overwrites your windows and the guide sucks. Also, remote controlling the tape from the PC does not work out of the box. MovieMaker recognized the camera, rewinded the tape, copies the stuff, separated the scenes, and all it asked from me was just a couple of clicks.

I'm not a MS fun, but I have to confess MovieMaker impressed me.
You have to decide yourself if it's worth the effort for you. I usually stay on the straightforward DV path.
I know you prefer outputting straight DV and that the loss is not noticeable. But I don't feel condifent enough and don't want to screw my kid's graduation. ;) I'd prefer a lossless DV->AVI conversion until I manage all the stuff.

(Same thing happened to me when started ripping DVDs to SVCDs. I used CBR@2530 "just to be sure". Now I can put a 3 hour movie in 2 CDs.) :)

[Mtz]

r6d2, do you really want transitions and effects on DVD?
You can edit the DV avi in VirtualDub for join & cut.
If you want only an menu and chapters, you can use de TmpgEnc DVD Author, to remove the rest of parts that you don't really want.
In this mode, you can encode directly from DV to MPEG2 using D2S.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by Mtz
r6d2, do you really want transitions and effects on DVD?
Thanks, mtz, good points.

I want to create am edited version with some effects and transitions, and then feed the output to DVD2SVCD and create a DVD-frame size SVCD. (I'm very comfortable with DVD2SVCD).

But I'll explore the tools you mentioned too.