French Doom9

[DonHora]

Thanks Horestes.

I thought I was right to do the overview before the design but now I'm sure :)

cu

[klona]

What happend to the project Shiso ?
Can I help somewhere else than the DVD guides done ?

[Doom9]

how's the doc overview coming along? shouldn't be such an enormous task I think

[DonHora]

Hi,

hmm...the doc overview...what's that...oh yes, I remember now :)

As you said that's not a big work, but I started translating the overview in French and it was a real pain. Then I saw that german and spanish folks didn't bother to translate it and I think they're right, so I'll do the same.
BTW I'll try to finish the non-translated overview before I go on vacation in 2 days. (SHiSO will go on vacation too)

cu

PS: Doom9, we are busy ATM but all the project will restart ASAP. The design is not finished and the overview isn't there so you were right not to put the french flag on your main page cause for the moment we don't deserve it :D

[Scipio]

Then I saw that german and spanish folks didn't bother to translate it and I think they're right, so I'll do the same.


That's not exactly the case... There's a list of all translated documents which is in German - and this list isn't too short either ;-)
http://german.doom9.org/doc-overview-ger.htm
People can also see the progress of your site through the doc-overview-ger (or -fr in your case) and it isn't that much work at the same time because you can update the translated overview when new translations arrive.


And as for the English doc-overview.htm: Those who want to help you need to understand English anyway, so it's no use putting up a translated doc-overview.htm.


Refer to http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28366 for further information. :) I thought everything should be clear then... ;)

[DonHora]

Thanks for reply Horestes.

As you said everything is in your guidelines. Every point you stated is in progress but I think we really need to fill the condition to have the flag on the main page (original design & overview), because people don't know that the french translation exist so it's not visited a lot. When we'll have the flag, we'll have more hits and I hope more volunteers will help.

cu

[klona]

As this small page seems to be a problem for everybody, that something I agree to handle ...

Just let me know.

[klona]

OK. Done.
Received this morning, done tonight. With 2 Customers visits and 3 technical proposals done today. Whaooo. I am the new SupermanJedi
Lol

I "just" didn't put any flag as I don't know what is done, what is not, what is in progress.


Hopes it will unlock the process.

[klona]

Nothing happend since the last post. We are waiting from Shiso back from holyday as he is the only one webmaster of the site.
But do not worry , project, if delayed a bit right now, is still on the track and will be running soon.

Even if not in the doom9 look and field, there are already several translation available on the site that you can use.

Volonteers for guide translation are still welcome, as there a LOTS of guide from Doom9 (Do you sleep sometimes ?? !)

News will be post here asap, so stay tuned, les amis !

[Doom9]

Do you sleep sometimes ?? of course not? didn't you know that doom9 is an artificial intelligence which initially escaped an mpaa testlab and now roams the galaxy ;)

[dvd2svcd]

That kind of explains a few things ;)

[BlackSun]

Originally posted by Doom9
of course not? didn't you know that doom9 is an artificial intelligence which initially escaped an mpaa testlab and now roams the galaxy ;)

Oh you too ?! The only difference is that I escaped from the MPEG-LA :D

[BlackSun]

How the translation is going ?

[nesskiel]

il doivent etre en vacances..:p

[klona]

Yes. project is still in "Sleepy Mode"..

Clockwork is set to... 15th august ? perhaps.
September : At worst, sure.

[BlackSun]

Les français sont des paresseux (oui je suis Français) :eek:

[cofferscuffs]

as blacksun says... "je` sex0r" :) good work ppl

[clima]

Originally posted by BlackSun
Les français sont des paresseux (oui je suis Français) :eek:

Zoreille ;)

[BlackSun]

Originally posted by clima


Zoreille ;)

En effet :) Un autre reunionnais dans la salle ?! :D :cool:

[TetarZ]

well I don't really understand why u have to use a big php script for the news...
A simple include and a decent stylesheet should do the trick easily...
TetarZ
P.S.: :devil: il y a des grosses failles de sécurité dans le PHP...
:readfaq: (http://www.phpadvisory.com/articles/view.phtml?ID=5)

[Doom9]

eh bien les gars, ça bouge?

[klona]

I would be pleased to, but no news from Shiso who is the only one to have paradise keys... (upload login/password )

Anyway, it's not yet September, it's still holiday here !!!

Donc, un petit pastis, sur une terrasse, à regarder passer les filles, nos si belles francaises, et nos si belles touristes... On vous les rendra, mais plus tard.

[SHiSo]

back

[BlackSun]

Originally posted by SHiSo
back

Spanormal davoir des vacances, tu es l'esclave de Doom9 maintenant :D

[klona]

Ok. Shiso told me he has no time right now, so I inherit the leadership on this project and Shiso will help as much as he can with his schedule.

I FIRST need a html/php coder as I understand nothing to that :-)

Then , plenty of translators. Please, even if you only translate a small part of a guide your are welcome.

Please do offers by PM.

Roadmap is :
First : move to doom9 look and field the fr mirror.
Second ; Open it, and keep news up-to-date.
Third ; add translations.


Ok. la version FR maintenant. en plus court :-)
Shiso a pas trop le temps, je reprends le bidule pour que ca se lance.

Il me faut vite un codeur html/php parce que c'est pas mon truc ca.

Ensuite, pleins de traducteurs, meme pour 30 lignes.

Le site; D'abord mettre a jour le look pour etre conforme a la chartre graphique doom9. Ensuite l'ouvrir et le tenir a jour, puis ajouter les traductions.


faire offre par "private message"

Tchao

[BlackSun]

Shisho t'as pas filé les traductions dejà faite ?

[nesskiel]

je me demande s'ils font de maniere serieuse..j'ai a plusieurs reprises propose mes services pour refaire des traductions mais apres m'avoir dit "Ok" plus de nouvelles...:confused:
c'est une maniere de proceder etrange...

[Scipio]

Qu'est-ce qui se passe avec klona et le nouveau site design?
J'ai cru qu'il devient le nouveau chef?

Dommage pour ceux qui veulent aider... :(

Un petit remarque:
J'ai actualisé les "translation guidelines".

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28366

[klona]

Hello.
Humm. "Nouveau chef" ca fait un peui pretentieux !
Non, non. Disons que j'ai juste repris le flambeau de Shiso, en heritant du travail deja réalisé, mais surtout de tout le travail à faire.
Par contre je n'ai pas hérité de tous les contacts etablis par certains avec Shiso et je ne suis pas au courant de tout.

Pour etre clair, tout le monde est le bienvenu pour construire la version FR.

Pour l'instant nous travaillons à deux (avec Don Hora)sur l'ouverture du site au plus tot. A près quelques balbutiements de démarrage, le nouveau site devrait ouvrir Lundi prochain.
Il sera basique, avec tres peu de guides. Les guides déja réalisés seront ensuite remis a jour puis mis en ligne. Les volontaires pour les revues de guides et eveidemment les traductions
de nouveaux guides sont les bienvenus !

Pas de chef, juste une bonne confrérie organisée. Et pour l'instant, oui, j'organise.

[DonHora]

Salut tout le monde,

le projet de traduction FR va repartir après avoir stagné pendant plusieurs mois.
Les tâches critiques ont été assignées et nous pourrons bientôt accepter les contributions. Désolé pour ceux qui voulaient participer et qui n'ont pas pu.
Maintenant Klona est sur le coup et ça va avancer :-)

A+
DonHora


PS: If you want an english translation of this post, don't hesitate to ask.
cu

[epere4]

Originally posted by DonHora PS: If you want an english translation of this post, don't hesitate to ask.
Oh, yes. At least a brief report ;)

I would be very happy if you wrote in English, here. So I don´t have to use a translator to read this...


CU

[klona]

Yes sorry. We should only use english here.

Site FR is launched, beta version. http://french.doom9.org

Main page, plus guide overview and a few guide pages.

Next step is finishing the main page (about, disclaimer and so on) + news in french (we will start FR news in october) + all menu pages for guides (only doc-overview, not up to date, and DVD guides page are up right now)

A few miss in links also. It should be fixed this night.

Now, i am waiting for more translators (there are already people who offer their services and I thanks them)

Please, send me a PM with skills you have (audio, divx, ogg, dvd, etc..) and a guide you would like to transalte.
After a few days to cope with answers, we will give you several precise html files to translate. Then you would just have to confirm you are OK and give a deadline for your work.



So, Doom9 FR, like the phoenix, comes back...

[DonHora]

Originally posted by epere4

I would be very happy if you wrote in English, here. So I don´t have to use a translator to read this...


I agree with you and I know we should talk english on this board. I saw a lot of posts in french in this thread so I thought I could write in French, sorry.

DonHora

[Scipio]

Hi,

since your new mail address @doom9.org doesn't work yet, I'll post my bug report here:

http://reno.dess.free.fr/contact_info.htm
>> envoyez un message privé à Klona ou DonHora sur le forum de Doom9.
The "forum de Doom9" link should get a "target=_blank" so that it doesn't get opened in the right frame.


http://reno.dess.free.fr/looking_for_staff.htm

>> (du moins par pour l'instant).
"par"? c'est "pas", n'est-ce pas?

>> et sous signaler des problèmes de traductions dans les pages
>>(même les fautes d'orthographes
heh, "sous" is another little "faute" ;)


good luck, you'll need it :)

[DonHora]

Originally posted by Horestes
http://reno.dess.free.fr/contact_info.htm
>> envoyez un message privé à Klona ou DonHora sur le forum de Doom9.
The "forum de Doom9" link should get a "target=_blank" so that it doesn't get opened in the right frame.



The link to the forum at the top of the page was broken and since the link you stated was a copy of this link, both were broken. Now they're correct.


http://reno.dess.free.fr/looking_for_staff.htm

>> (du moins par pour l'instant).
"par"? c'est "pas", n'est-ce pas?

>> et sous signaler des problèmes de traductions dans les pages
>>(même les fautes d'orthographes
heh, "sous" is another little "faute" ;)



I wrote this page in a hurry and I didn't saw these mistakes. It's funny because in this page I say : "try to tell a someone to doublecheck your work" and I didn't follow my own advice :-)


good luck, you'll need it :)

Danke schön. Viel Glück für die Deutsche Übersetzung.

[Scipio]

Originally posted by DonHora
I wrote this page in a hurry and I didn't saw these mistakes. It's funny because in this page I say : "try to tell a someone to doublecheck your work" and I didn't follow my own advice :-)


While we're at it: "didn't saw" isn't right, either ;)


And about the luck:

I just wanted to say that the German project hasn't received the continued support it would need to finish the initial translation of all pages quickly. We started 3 months ago and the site is still pretty far from being complete.
The Spanish project had more support and is nearly done. Look here (http://spanish.doom9.org/doc-overview.htm). Well, there's more Spanish-speaking people out there, so that's not too surprising.


And another thing: Perhaps you don't have enough time for it, but I'd start translating the news, too... at least now that Doom9 has officially announced your project...

P.S.: Vivent les rapports franco-allemandes! :cool:

[klona]

News will be translated in October.
There enough to do not to focus on old news.

[Scipio]

Old news?

I mean today's news and yesterday's news are both in English...
And tomorrow's news are old news, too? Or what do you mean by old news?

(Of course I wouldn't translate old news before the start of french Doom9, but now that you are announced you could slowly start to translate the actual daily news...)


Besides, people are certainly irritated reading news in English when visiting the French mirror...
And hey - translating news is like 5-10 minutes incl. uploading and correction.

:)


Edit: First impression is important. Visitors coming to your site seeing even the news in English don't feel like returning, but that's just IMO.

[klona]

Sure. But it is not our roadmap.

1/ launch a beta site to attract translators

Done. Wer received PM from several people offering their help on translations. We thanks them alreadty a lot and we will come back with files they can transalte begining next week, after step 3

2/ Put everything we already have in french (more than what was available online ont he old site, check links and stuff like that

In Progress

3/Sort out a precise list of what is translated and what is not, but more, from which english version it comes, and what is the current english version (ie : is translated up to date or not ?)

This is a big job, believe me. The final result will be in a Datasheet, available to download and which can help other mirror team to synchronize guides.

4/ Offer translators files they can translate. They can then accept or not files suggested, according their wish the most wa can. We will also ask for a delivery deadline for every file. All these informations will be compiled in the datasheet previously mentionned.

5/ Up-to-date daily the french mirror, including news.

[Scipio]

1/ and we will come back with files they can transalte begining next week, after step 3


Do you really want to assign guides to certain people? I would let them choose which guides they want to translate (because that way they are more motivated and know at least what they are doing)... but each method has its downsides.


3/Sort out a precise list of what is translated and what is not, but more, from which english version it comes, and what is the current english version (ie : is translated up to date or not ?)


IMHO: That's overkill and subject to errors. Much work for nothing. I also had links on each German guide pointing to the English copy which was the basis for that translation. But who really clicks on that?
I suggest keeping the original English versions, but I have them in my own archive and don't link them on each German page anymore. Actually, I deleted them on 150+ pages a week ago. (reason: a poll showed that nobody *really* needs them, besides you can create a PDF of the complete page then.)
If someone really wants to see English, he visits Doom9.org anyway. What I do now is to offer a [Load this page from Doom9.org] link on the main guide overviews, e.g. here (http://www.doom9.de/guides-ger.htm) - the people see the up-to-date version in my frame.


This is a big job, believe me.


Oh well, I've made the complete organization of the German page and even read nearly (~20 are not corrected, yet) every single guide and checked the translation and the errors in them... so I don't have to believe you, I know it... ;)
And that should not sound nasty - I'm the translation moderator here now and can assist you in some topics (or at least I hope so).


The final result will be in a Datasheet, available to download and which can help other mirror team to synchronize guides.


Datasheet? Sounds promising. Please explain what you mean by this... :) Do you want to use active site generation? php/asp? Doom9 himself still needs a Content Management System, so it would be wiser if we implemented a system on a larger scale.


4/ Offer translators files they can translate. They can then accept or not files suggested, according their wish the most wa can. We will also ask for a delivery deadline for every file.


sounds even more like active content... yummy :)
That would be very nice having automatic deadlines... I do this manually... :(

[klona]

Humm. Not sure to understand what is your problem against me.
take control of the french project to restart it ? and lead it?
There is a lot of work to do and I feel roadmap with precise objectives to achieve is the best way.

Anyway,i am not a flamer so I suggest to leave war to go on efficient subject. Seems my english (yes, you know the frenglish) is not so clear.

1/Do you really want to assign guides to certain people?
I assign files.htm on subject that interrest people.

2/I suggest keeping the original English versions
There are old translation, that do not match anymore to present english version. Some other still match. We need to know the status for each one.

3/My mistake. not datasheet, but Excel spreadsheet. Anyway, a summary document.

4/ Seems I did not explain myself correctly. People will give me a deadline they can meet for every file they have to translate. They can told me they need 2 weeks for 30 lines, but I expect they will meet what they promised.



again, no war. I am just handling the french project the most efficient way I can, with the excellent help of DonHora who is achieving a lot of work.And we cannot be 12 people to update the site in parallel, we all know what it would give; Nothing.


I hope that all volonteers understand we just need to be a bit organized to have a working project, and that we fully respect them and really appreciate their help. We just need some time to organize everything before launching new translation. There is no win to translate a second time a guide.At this time we are still discovering translations or part of translations done from Shiso archives.


So, please, give us a bit of time to reach a working speed;

On my side I think everything is told today.
Next week we will start translations.

[Scipio]

oops... what have I done.

As I said:


And that should not sound nasty - I'm the translation moderator here now and can assist you in some topics (or at least I hope so).


I only want to help in questions which might concern all of the translators. No insults intended. Sorry for my harshness. I only wanted to point out that I'm experienced in these things because I did them all alone...

as for the French project: I'm neither French nor do I have the time (or will) to lead another project, so I just want to help in genereal management/organization.
Perhaps I should create a new thread for that - my help is not specific to the French project, but is intended to benefit all projects.


1) Assigning guides: Just wanted to say that people should apply for guides themselves (in my opinion). Someone who doesn't know much about SVCD shouldn't be assigned an SVCD guide for example. But I'm sure you know what you're doing, so I'm sorry.

2) "Sort out a precise list" <-- I misunderstood you here. You want to put them in a list. Fine with me... I believed you wanted to put a link to a) the original English document and b) the up-to-date version on each French page, so I apologize for my misreading your statement.

3) merde... no active content then. I just hoped you would do it with a database (my association with datasheet..), but that's not a problem. :) I thought you would rewrite the site in a database-based model. hehe, wishful thinking from my side (I'm not able to do that myself, yet).

4) deadline: good idea. I thought people would assign guides in a web-interface and the deadline would be set automatically. Again I interpreted way too much in your datasheet...


as for the roadmap: that's great (forgot to mention that in my last, seemingly insulting, post).
great to hear that you have a real co-worker. I don't have one and of course too many chefs (de la cuisine) lead to a bad "meal". (there's a saying, but I can't reproduce it in English...)



General note: I was a bit too impatient or wanted to help too much. Sorry for that. I'll let you alone until my help is needed again.

Just wanted you to avoid some mistakes, that's all.

[goof]

voila mattez le screenshot pour comprendre a mon avis c pas mechant.

[DonHora]

Hi goof,

I can't really correct this bug because you didn't tell me what link you followed to get this error. Personally I think you wanted to view an mpg/ guide because I've just corrected a bug in the frame reloading routine (frameset.js in mpg/ directory).
Retry and tell me what happens. If this bug occurs again, tell me all the links you followed. When a bug like this occurs, always try to reload the site from the internet server. I see you use Internet Explorer so you just have to press CTRL+F5 and the whole page is fetched from the internet instead of your browser's cache.

cu
DonHora

[goof]

no link followed other than french.doom9.org
i don't click on anny link
it is as is on first page.

[goof]

i forgot to tell
IE 6.0.2600.0000IS
the link is the one on the address bar of he screenshot

[DonHora]

I really can't reproduce this bug, it works fine for me. Can somebody else confirm this bug because I think goof was browsing the site while I was updating some HTML pages.

cu

[Scipio]

No bug here.

Even if I type in the same address he used on the screenshot, I don't see anything unnormal.

Works fine for me. :D

(He should delete his cache...)

[DonHora]

OK, thanks Scipio. I was pretty sure there wasn't any problem but so good to hear it :)

cu

[goof]

even if i clear my browser's cache the bug still there.
i known how work html and this is a strange bug.
the page load normal and after 1 second it load the framset himself in the main frame.
here is the way that work.