French Doom9

[SHiSo]

Hi,

well i'm currently translating all guides into french (with doom9's approval).
I have already make a preview which be found here : http://reno.dess.free.fr/test_index_.html. I've translated some guides and others are in progress.

I wait for launching the site coz we wait for our host which we will get soon.

If u want to be volonteers to help for the translations or if u have already translate some guides, just mail me @ shiso666@yahoo.fr.
We will coordinate all of these.

Well hope everybody will read that and tell me what he thinks about it.

SHiSo

[xlv600]

Your preview Url seems to be dead, but the home page is OK!
Maybe you were working on it ;-)

Courage!

[smiller667]

Try this URL: http://reno.dess.free.fr/test_index_.html - a trailing "." got included in the original post.

[xlv600]

That was the point! :p

Your mirror seems to be of great quality! You're taking up a big
challenge.

Let me add my 2 cents. Maybe I would translate a bit more, especially in the glossary(scrambling->brouillage) (frame->trame) (stream->flux) (link->lien) download->téléchargement...) but it's a preview. And it's maybe a better idea to keep some of those so often used idioms.
It's a hard art to know were to put the limit in translating words. (Would every french people understand if you use a french equivalency for surround or CD-ROM). Tell me "Une Led" I know what it is, tell me "Une Del", I've to think about...

[SHiSo]

And i'm trying to search people who are interesting to contribuate in this project to translate, to take care of french forum, to make "test/comparison guides" (may be interesting) etc ... etc...
lots of jobs.

[klona]

Hi perhaps I can add my contribution to this project.

i did'nt have time to think how high I should involve now into that (Time... Time... always missing) but I am definitively interreted to help.

I agree with XLV600 on translation. Some english technical terms have to be translate, other don't. Who use "pare-feu" for Firewall or "Renifleur" for browser ?

I would add that lots of software are a lot easier to found in english, so another question is about the tools used for screen captures and step-2-step menu guides: french or english version.
My opinion is to keep english version for tools :
- easier to find over the net
- re use of screen capture from doom9 original guides
- so often bugs in french versions and error messages from soft becomes just unusable.
- People with french version softs will easily find out from the english captures and from the french text guide.

I have no time right now to look at your site SHIso but will do this WE

Klona

[daehkcid]

La meilleur facon c'est de garder plusieurs chose en anglais (mots populaires, screenshots <- ca c'en est un exemple ;), et l'expliquer dans le texte.

Ca serait cool, meme si j'haii le francais.

[dje33]

c'etait pas blacksun qui devait s'occuper de la taduction ?
sinon c'est cool j'aurai bien aider mais j'ai pas trop de temps

[SHiSo]

Notification:

new URL ->

http://french.doom9.org
http://french.doom9.net

[goof]

apres le 27 je pourais aider un petite peut si vous voulez
pour les termes francais je trouve que ca prend pas trop de temp de mettre "capture d'ecran" au lieux de "screenshot"
pour les programmes si il existe en francais autant refaire les captures "importantes" en francais quand c pas trop long a faire
pour les comparaisons de codec ou ya 600 images par contre faut pas s'enmerder
pour ce qui est de la technique pure c vrais que certains thermes sont pas traduisible en francais

le design est vraiment sympa mise a part le about pas encore traduit enn haut

bonne chance
a+

[nesskiel]

Salut,

juste une critique(constructive je l'espere) pourquoi est ce que vous voulez changer la presentation?je trouve personnellement qu'il n'est pas utile de changer une presentation qui selon moi est efficace(le but premier) tout en etant esthetiquement agreable.
l'annee derniere j'avais traduit bcp de page des guides de doom9 en gardant une presentation identique; mais je ne sais pas pourquoi blacksun ne les a jamais mis en ligne(j'ai envoye un mail a ce propos a doom9).
si je peux vous etre utile,faites moi signe ;)
Ness

nesskiel@altavista.fr

[SHiSo]

Pour répondre à nesskiel, j'ai juste changer le design car je pensais que ce serait mieux de le changer. Mais en ce qui concerne la présentation, elle reste la même visuellement, j'ai juste changer qq truc comme les news (car c'est quand meme chiant de devoir changer le code source pour ajouter une news, et les archives).
Tu peux voir que les guides ont toujours la meme présentation.

[Scipio]

Hi there SHiSo,

being the German translator site webmaster (www.doom9.de.vu), I'd like to know how you do your news updates?

I read all postings in this thread since I understand French.

It's strange that doom9's news are maintained by altering the code rather than using a script. So what do you use for that? :)


I also decided againt a copy of Doom9's site design - but only to coordinate the efforts of the translators.

Doom9's design *maybe* will be adopted as far as most guides are translated (or most relevant ones).


Honestly, my project wasn't planned to become an independent site. I just wanted users to be able to change the language in the document.

So I added the option to change the language in each document. My final aim would be Doom9 putting my .htm-files on his server...

But I wonder if this is just a dream or if it will become reality.

[SHiSo]

Well for the news it's just a php script.

Otherwise i coordinate too the efforts of the translators and i translate too :p
And just say that the site is not planned to become an independent site, i just change the design.

hmm it's time to go to bed
n8 :)

[klona]

Beautiful Site. Very promising.

Just let me know in which way I can help.
Klona

[epere4]

Yesterday I had the chance to use a computer with 800x600 screen resolution and I checked the Doom9´s sites (the original, the German, the Spanish and the French).
I noticed that your upper frame was too big. I couldn´t almost read anything from the other parts of the page. I mean, it is really nice, but too big.
Just to let you know.

[SHiSo]

ok thx i ll fix this little prb when i retrieve photoshop

[BlackSun]

C'est moi qui etait en charge de la traduction française, apres avoir reussi a avoir la moitié des guides traduits en français, plus personne n'a voulu m'aider. J'ai traduit pas mal de guides par moi même, c'etait un gros boulot. Mais ça n'a jamais pu etre fini (entre mon player, mon boulot, et etre supermodo-ici c'est pas facile).
Doom9 n'a jamais voulu m'enlever du lead the la traduction française alors je suis content que vous preniez le relais :D

Je posterais le fichier Rar demain...

[FakerZ]

Doom9 en français, sympa ! Moi perso ca me changera pas grand chose mais je connais quelques anglophobes qui seront ravis.
Je veux bien filer un coup de main au niveau design (graphiste de profession), et pis aussi au niveau orthographe (ca fait un peu mal de voir le nombre de sites français truffés de fautes) ;o)

J'avais pondu un logo à l'époque ou il y avait eu un concours de lancé, mais apparemment le concours s'est un peu cassé la gueule !

[epere4]

@SHiSO:
There is a new adress for the Spanish Project: http://home.no/doom9esp/

[SHiSo]

ok fix :p

[goof]

pour les redirections
a mon avis si il paye sur doom9 il a peut-etre acces a la config du serveur et vue que c un apache il peut definir des "virtualhost" (genre fr.doom9.org) et faire une redirection (avec PHP c simple) ou une frame qui charge la version traduite dedans
en tout cas ca prendrait que une seule page sur son serveur par version ou au pire un repertoire fr dans la racine (http://www.doom9.org/fr/) avec le fichier susnomé.
C'est que des idées vous faite ce que vous voulez.

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[BlackSun]

Ben y a dejà http://french.doom9.net ou .org.

ShiSo: mail moi a blacksun@doom9.net pour que j'oublie pas d'envoyer les traductions demain matin stp

[goof]

j'avais vu mais je crois que c pas généralisé a tous les projets de traduction (espagnol et anglais je crois)

[goof]

ct pas anglais mais allemand.

en plus si ct geré en php (avec une frame et d'autres trucs) chaque projet de traduction pourais gerer son alias

[Scipio]

C pas juste:

tous les trois projects ont maintenant leurs propres adresses:

http://german.doom9.net
http://french.doom9.net
http://spanish.doom9.net

Mais c'est ne qu'un redirecteur... (si c'est l'expression correcte en Francais...)

[epere4]

Don´t use the http://spanish.doom9.net/ or http://spanish.doom9.org/ adresses.
They make the Spanish Site to give an Runtime Error (at least in my computer and on another I tested that).
The problem is with one of my stats counter. I don´t know why the redirector makes that error to appear (it doesn´t appear in the normal url (http://home.no/doom9esp/)).
I don´t want to take that stats counter out because it gives me information about where the visitors are coming from (from which url, I mean) and it is in Spanish.

[goof]

i don't have the runtime error on the spanish redirector.

je suis d'accord pour dire que le truc en haut est trop gros (du moins en hauteur)
pour les redirection ct parce que elle n'etaient pas encore utilisé dans les news du site qui mettait des liens vers les sites direct au lieux des redirections.
en tout cas moi ca deconne pas la redirection espagnole
poue le mot redirectoir je crois que c sufisament disgracieux pour pouvoir etre remplacé par redirection mais bon on est pas a l'acadmie francaise (ils voulaient remplacer "virus" par "portion de code infectieuse engendrant un mauvais fonctionnement du systeme")

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[epere4]

@All project´s webmasters:

I suggest that if you put a link to an article that it is in English (or any other language that it´s not yours), you put a link to an automátically generated translated page. You can use translators as Altavista (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) or Google (http://www.google.com/language_tools) (or whatever, there must be lots of these translators) to generate an URL of the translation page.

For example, the page of project Theora (http://linux.com/article.pl?sid=02/06/21/2145217) can be seen here in Spanish (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flinux.com%2Farticle.pl%3Fsid%3D02%2F06%2F21%2F2145217&langpair=en%7Ces&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools), here in German (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flinux.com%2Farticle.pl%3Fsid%3D02%2F06%2F21%2F2145217&langpair=en%7Cde&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools) and here in French (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flinux.com%2Farticle.pl%3Fsid%3D02%2F06%2F21%2F2145217&langpair=en%7Cfr&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools).
The translations aren´t that good, off course, but they are a good an easy service we can provide to the readers.
By the way, using these translators is the only way I can read your posts. You could write in English so everybody could understand, don´t you think? I would appreciate that, thanks.

[goof]

as i think the translation are from the english articles from Doom9 in english so i think that most people that use computer to create a DIVX or VCD or wathever else can understand a minimum part of the english articles a real traduction is better and don't take too much time (2-3 h i think) so if many people are workink together it will not take too much time.

The altavista translator is not realy good beacause it translate also some technicals word with comon word in frensh.
i never tried the google one.

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[epere4]

@goof: I cannot assume everybody can understand a little bit of English, and before we finish translating the original Doom9´s site, we cannot spend time translating articles from other sites (besides, we would need permission).
That´s why I put the link to an automatically tranlated page. But I agree with you that Altavista translator (Google is pretty much the same thing) translate technical words into some horrible ones. Anyway, I put both a link to the original article, and a link to the translated one.

[BlackSun]

Alors Shisho ça avance la traduction ? les autres prennent de l'avance !:p

[Dark-Cracker]

Frenchy Connection !!!

juste un petit mot d'encouragement pour le mirror en francais, c kool de voir des frenchy motivés :) :) :)
bonne chance , trés joli site avec un bon design continuez comme ca !

Ps: FakerZ joli logo

________________________

English Connection : héhé : Translation in progress ........ :) :) :)

bye.

[Doom9]

there's 2 things I need from the people running the translation.. I sent a pm with that to sisho 2 days ago.. no reply so far.

first of all the look will have to correspond to mine. It's not a design contenst out there but a branding issue.. people will have to feel immediately at home if they go to a different language mirror. the spanish translation already took my design and horestes agreed to change it (and make it less translator friendly) once most of the work has been done. second there needs to be some collaboration mechanisms and way to see how far the translation has progressed.. both the spanish and german pages have done that.

the same also goes for the portugese translation (pm sent on june 28th to downloaders, no reply to far).. and there we have the additional difficulty that some of their left frame links have to be removed...

[BlackSun]

100% agreed, a french translation MUST have the same look and feel as the original one. The french translation is slooooooooow and the logo is too big (not that I don't like it). Lot of people like me can only browse in 800x600 so far and french.doom9.net is inbrowsable for me.

[inoteb]

@SHiSo
Je t'avais envoyé un mail il y a quelques temps te proposant mon aide, en particulier pour le forum français et éventuellement pour des traductions. Pas eu de réponse... L'offre tient toujours ;)

inoteb ;-]

[SHiSo]

BlackSun : http://reno.dess.free.fr/TEST/ regarde à cette url et dis moi si ca va mieux en 800x600 merci

Doom9 : why do u wanna keep the original design ? i dont understand ... [ Well POOL to keep or not the french design ]
i dont want to change it ...

[Doom9]

@sisho: quite simply.. have you ever heard about branding? I give you an example.. if you go to a Mc Donalds in NY or in Paris.. they will pretty much look the same... so people on holidays will always feel right at home. if somebody types french.doom9.org in his browser he must get www.doom9.org, just translated to french. The look and feel must be the same on all translated pages so that people knowing my site can switch to a translated version without any additional effort.

I cannot have translated versions of my pages that look completely different. If there's a design change it will first happen on www.doom9.org, then on the language mirrors.

[SHiSo]

well mail me the .zip of doom9 and i 'll change all this we
but instead of ur news i put php script, look the same and is more simply to add a news

[Scipio]

Shiso, you'll have to stay up-to-date later, too.
Doom9 can't mail you the whole page everytime...
so I suggest you have a look at the Translation Guidelines (that's the second sticky thread here - there's other info, too).

The tool "Offline Explorer" ist very nice for mirroring doom9.org (you can set filters in order not to download all zip-files or other stuff you don't need)...


If you don't mind, I'd like to take that PHP script, too...
But I wonder if Swede's server supports PHP - what do you think Doom9?

[SHiSo]

it's good i found the .zip

[goof]

i think that he don't ask to send the whole site i think that only the few first pages (main page and only a sample of meaning pages)

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[Doom9]

no php on that server.. and if you work with a real backend (there's something in beta stage but hasn't been touched for a while) you need a d-base, too, and swede's server is not really powerful so having to perform a d-base access for every visitor would probably kill it..

@SHiSo: can do do as horestes told? I can mail you the stuff if you want.. but only once and it will be huge.. html and gif/jpegs alone are more than 10mb (rared)..
then what changes from day to day is not really hard to find.. it's right.html that contains the news.. the old news dir gets a new file when there's a new month, and if there's new software the links on the software page get updated along with links that guides may contain (let dreamweaver perform an invalid link check and you know what links have to be updated if there's an updated software). other than that, whenever I update a document it gets a new timestamp.. (this document was last changed on xx/yy/zz)..

[SHiSo]

it's good Doom9, a guy upped me a .rar of ur website
so just some change and it will be good this we or monday

[Doom9]

great.. hope you'll find the time to make the document overview.. I think it greatly helps that everybody, be he/she working on the project or not gets an immediate overview about what is going on.

[SHiSo]

yes i'll do all this we

[BlackSun]

I'm happy that my translations+contributions aren't lost...

[Doom9]

how's the redesign coming along? the flag is waiting..

[DonHora]

Hi,

I'm currently translating french Doom9 with SHiSO and others, but we are really busy in real life so it's a little slow.
I'm doing the overview page, much like the german/spanish one.
For the design I'll do it after the overview if SHiSO doesn't have time to do it.
Stay tuned ...

DonHora

PS: Just a little question : what should be done first ? Overview or design ?

[Scipio]

easy answer:
the doc-overview.htm should be more important.

The German site hasn't adopted the original design, yet - but it is already linked, so the answer should be obvious.

Site design comes after coordination.